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Icon 1 posted 02-23-2008 02:18 AM


Well in a far as evidence is concerned lets go to Persian gulf to Dalamatia City, the triangle city and verify the cities as written and lift up the evidence, like what Heinrich Schliemann did with the city of Troy.

That's in the doing rather than talking about it and there may be more benefits for mankind in the process.

sevens


« Reply #10 on: Today at 03:53:47 am »

A dissemination of Rodan of Alexandria 2000 years ago and relevant for today.  Have we progressed really in light of this opinion from Rodan 2000 years ago, something for us to consider within ourselves in what we do each day and to others?? in there own distortions.
 

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5. THE RELIGION OF THE IDEAL

You have told me that your Master regards genuine human religion as the individual's experience with spiritual realities. I have regarded religion as man's experience of reacting to something which he regards as being worthy of the homage and devotion of all mankind. In this sense, religion symbolizes our supreme devotion to that which represents our highest concept of the ideals of reality and the farthest reach of our minds toward eternal possibilities of spiritual attainment.

When men react to religion in the tribal, national, or racial sense, it is because they look upon those without their group as not being truly human. We always look upon the object of our religious loyalty as being worthy of the reverence of all men. Religion can never be a matter of mere intellectual belief or philosophic reasoning; religion is always and forever a mode of reacting to the situations of life; it is a species of conduct. Religion embraces thinking, feeling, and acting reverently toward some reality which we deem worthy of universal adoration.

If something has become a religion in your experience, it is self-evident that you already have become an active evangel of that religion since you deem the supreme concept of your religion as being worthy of the worship of all mankind, all universe intelligences. If you are not a positive and missionary evangel of your religion, you are self-deceived in that what you call a religion is only a traditional belief or a mere system of intellectual philosophy. If your religion is a spiritual experience, your object of worship must be the universal spirit reality and ideal of all your spiritualized concepts. All religions based on fear, emotion, tradition, and philosophy I term the intellectual religions, while those based on true spirit experience I would term the true religions. The object of religious devotion may be material or spiritual, true or false, real or unreal, human or divine. Religions can therefore be either good or evil.

Morality and religion are not necessarily the same. A system of morals, by grasping an object of worship, may become a religion. A religion, by losing its universal appeal to loyalty and supreme devotion, may evolve into a system of philosophy or a code of morals. This thing, being, state, or order of existence, or possibility of attainment which constitutes the supreme ideal of religious
Page 1781 loyalty, and which is the recipient of the religious devotion of those who worship, is God. Regardless of the name applied to this ideal of spirit reality, it is God.

The social characteristics of a true religion consist in the fact that it invariably seeks to convert the individual and to transform the world. Religion implies the existence of undiscovered ideals which far transcend the known standards of ethics and morality embodied in even the highest social usages of the most mature institutions of civilization. Religion reaches out for undiscovered ideals, unexplored realities, superhuman values, divine wisdom, and true spirit attainment. True religion does all of this; all other beliefs are not worthy of the name. You cannot have a genuine spiritual religion without the supreme and supernal ideal of an eternal God. A religion without this God is an invention of man, a human institution of lifeless intellectual beliefs and meaningless emotional ceremonies. A religion might claim as the object of its devotion a great ideal. But such ideals of unreality are not attainable; such a concept is illusionary. The only ideals susceptible of human attainment are the divine realities of the infinite values resident in the spiritual fact of the eternal God.

The word God, the idea of God as contrasted with the ideal of God, can become a part of any religion, no matter how puerile or false that religion may chance to be. And this idea of God can become anything which those who entertain it may choose to make it. The lower religions shape their ideas of God to meet the natural state of the human heart; the higher religions demand that the human heart shall be changed to meet the demands of the ideals of true religion.

The religion of Jesus transcends all our former concepts of the idea of worship in that he not only portrays his Father as the ideal of infinite reality but positively declares that this divine source of values and the eternal center of the universe is truly and personally attainable by every mortal creature who chooses to enter the kingdom of heaven on earth, thereby acknowledging the acceptance of sonship with God and brotherhood with man.

That, I submit, is the highest concept of religion the world has ever known, and I pronounce that there can never be a higher since this gospel embraces the infinity of realities, the divinity of values, and the eternity of universal attainments. Such a concept constitutes the achievement of the experience of the idealism of the supreme and the ultimate.

I am not only intrigued by the consummate ideals of this religion of your Master, but I am mightily moved to profess my belief in his announcement that these ideals of spirit realities are attainable; that you and I can enter upon this long and eternal adventure with his assurance of the certainty of our ultimate arrival at the portals of Paradise. My brethren, I am a believer, I have embarked; I am on my way with you in this eternal venture. The Master says he came from the Father, and that he will show us the way. I am fully persuaded he speaks the truth. I am finally convinced that there are no attainable ideals of reality or values of perfection apart from the eternal and Universal Father.

I come, then, to worship, not merely the God of existences, but the God of the possibility of all future existences. Therefore must your devotion to a supreme ideal, if that ideal is real, be devotion to this God of past, present, and future universes of things and beings. And there is no other God, for there cannot possibly be any other God. All other gods are figments of the imagination, illusions of mortal mind, distortions of false logic, and the self-deceptive idols of those who create them. Yes, you can have a religion without this God, but it
Page 1782 does not mean anything.

And if you seek to substitute the word God for the reality of this ideal of the living God, you have only deluded yourself by putting an idea in the place of an ideal, a divine reality. Such beliefs are merely religions of wishful fancy.

I see in the teachings of Jesus, religion at its best. This gospel enables us to seek for the true God and to find him. But are we willing to pay the price of this entrance into the kingdom of heaven? Are we willing to be born again? to be remade? Are we willing to be subject to this terrible and testing process of self-destruction and soul reconstruction?

Has not the Master said: "Whoso would save his life must lose it. Think not that I have come to bring peace but rather a soul struggle"? True, after we pay the price of dedication to the Father's will, we do experience great peace provided we continue to walk in these spiritual paths of consecrated living.

Now are we truly forsaking the lures of the known order of existence while we unreservedly dedicate our quest to the lures of the unknown and unexplored order of the existence of a future life of adventure in the spirit worlds of the higher idealism of divine reality. And we seek for those symbols of meaning wherewith to convey to our fellow men these concepts of the reality of the idealism of the religion of Jesus, and we will not cease to pray for that day when all mankind shall be thrilled by the communal vision of this supreme truth. Just now, our focalized concept of the Father, as held in our hearts, is that God is spirit; as conveyed to our fellows, that God is love.

The religion of Jesus demands living and spiritual experience. Other religions may consist in traditional beliefs, emotional feelings, philosophic consciousness, and all of that, but the teaching of the Master requires the attainment of actual levels of real spirit progression.

The consciousness of the impulse to be like God is not true religion. The feelings of the emotion to worship God are not true religion. The knowledge of the conviction to forsake self and serve God is not true religion. The wisdom of the reasoning that this religion is the best of all is not religion as a personal and spiritual experience. True religion has reference to destiny and reality of attainment as well as to the reality and idealism of that which is wholeheartedly faith-accepted. And all of this must be made personal to us by the revelation of the Spirit of Truth.

And thus ended the dissertations of the Greek philosopher, one of the greatest of his race, who had become a believer in the gospel of Jesus


The Ub Link

Just beautiful!  Praise the Lord!  Yea!

Sevens

Post  Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:42 am
Hey for the truth

How do you mean?

What Ive been doing is finding verses in my focalisation which I feel are relevant in my journey to the ancient places. However, many people I feel will see different things in the scriptures in the above for there own reasons.

I feel the former things or the beginning is the actual beginning where all things began and its points to the first cites of all civilisation and I feel the end will lay there. The end as in obsolete things and interpretations replaced by expanded truth for all of us with far better definition.

This I believe is the desire of Jesus looking at things more broadly with expanded truth and which doesn't compromise the teachings of Jesus but empowers his truth to a wider people that can be studied.

Personally, all these things will make the religion of Jesus more cool and people will want to become in involved in the truth as they can read about a see it for their own eyes.

This is the first time where physical evidence of this type can be produced in conjunction with the scriptures. But there is a challenge embracing many books in viewing them with an open mind and to see the demonstration.

The demonstration of truth in the making through discovery, exploration and verification, far better than argument.

I think we are on great path that will positive benefits.

In essence we are proving the Father in the physical demonstrated and no one will have an excuse and its open for all people no matter where they come from or who they are.

Those verses in the above are very very powerful and I believe the ancient places was definitely foreseen by the prophets and something is attached to it, like judgement.

I feel they are the real sign above any sign perceived at the moment.

Thanks for having a look, I appreciate it.

All the best

Sevens

 

« Reply #12 on: Today at 06:44:20 am

Give it break Calvin

you have not demonstrated and operate out of fear, spreading fear.

That is not the way of Jesus our master and you know that.

The only Gods (in your words) here is the Father, Jesus and the Sevenfold Seraphic mission headed by the Ancient of Days. That is all, there no one else!

The last rebel is defeated! and is ready for adjudication and which means a great breakthrough for mankind. That means for everyone! not just the few! or the so called chosen.

This is bigger than the reformation, this is the true reformation brought about by the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and mankind can demonstrate that through research, exploration, discovery of the beginning which is the end and verification.

There is no exclusivity in this major breakthrough for man and this truth will smash the doctrine behind terrorism unlike anything else on the planet. Through shear enlightenment of the complete truth, all the truth.

I rejoice in that fact!

Lucifer, Satan and Caligastia and others are at the doors of Court for there day in court and there will be no white knight to save them.

sevens


« Reply #4 on: Today at 04:46:19 pm »


No not at all Norman, you are not clueless nor is Christianity.

However I believe that a completion is set for Christianity in expansion where all the books are opened including a new book and the standards out of the books that are open will judgement be based on.

I think its a time for review and testing along with the information.

Hey about the video ahahahah that was just humor based on the Urantia Book.   I thought he was a funny guy and I had a laugh, like he said lighten up! and so we should.

Honestly I would be quite happy for Christianity to test the evidence of the ancient cities, the former things by going out there.  I believe its the demonstration that points to a new Book from the Kingdom of Heaven and which also embraces the Bible and many books.

Also understand that in the end times Jesus will not recognize a few that heal and say things in his name because the attitude is not consistent with the teachings of Jesus and of Jesus himself.  Is he speaking about stiff necked attitudes? in light of much evidence already??

It is a time for review and expansion for all mankind with all things and the end times is all about attitude in light truth that is arising.

On the contrary its is an exciting time for Christianity and Jesus has not abandoned the Church or does the Church abandon Jesus in his efforts through closed mindedness??

Sevens


« Reply #4 on: Today at 05:15:17 pm »

AAAh I'm not interested in a Nobel peace prize, I am very happy with what I have been blessed with I couldn't ask for more from our great Father in heaven.

Just to be given an insight to this thread of truth is very satisfying for me.  There is nothing in the Babylon System that could satisfy me as Jesus our friend has blessed me with.  For what Jesus and the Sevenfold Seraphic mission  has blessed me with is just fantastic and I praise the Lord for that and is beyond all measure! and I have no fear at all but just increased love for him and one another and desire to define the truth better, wider and deeper.

In regards to an expedition,  Yes, its in the first stages of desire and I would love to go out to the Persian Gulf and verify the discovery and I would also love traditional Christianity to be on board to, even in the debate because I believe the proof will be in the discovery, in the physical that will verify all the information. I also would like some atheists to be on board to as this will prove something to them as well.

Personally, it would be worldwide contest of the truth of the matter.  Not that we have to prove Jesus or God because we know that within ourselves but there are many people on the planet that would require that evidence, it would an exciting time for all of us as I believe that we have entered into the dispensation of the Messiah and the discovery of the ancient places inaugurates the beginning of this period.  I even opened the office of the Messiah in celebration of this event so in faith I walk having complete trust in the Father of the Kingdom of Heaven.

I would love yourself and Calvin to be on this boat even though we have different thoughts it would be most exciting for us all and it would be of benefit to the congregation, the body of Jesus.

At the end of the day, the way I see things Christianity in new light and truth will be the most expanded and best religion to be involved in and will outstrip anything on the planet because it can be demonstrated and all the arguments of the atheists will fall in a heap of rubble!  It will be total decimation of there logic.  complete devastation and I believe that is the reckoning of all things inconsistent and untrue also that includes certain aspects of doctrine to, its a correction for all and its our attitude that is looked upon in light of greater but embracing truth.

And I want you and Calvin to be there so you can investigate the truth of the matter in the light of verification and I know the Father and Jesus desire this to.

Coming back to the expedition, I have no money nor influence to finance such an effort, I wrote to President Bush and informed him of my efforts and all the information of the ancient cities and even suggested that the US Navy go there and check it out, I even wrote to the Supreme Leader of Iran and told him and his President about the places and that he should check it out as i believe it is for the future with warning attached in the attitude.

I phoned a Hollywood production company responsible for Indiana Jones and I didn't even get to first base as I know no one and I am not part of the closed and locked family of Hollywood.  Ive tried to compel Christianity to finance an expedition but I never any get responses to that either.

All I can do is put up the information on a daily basis on behalf of the Sevenfold Seraphic Mission so that one day a person who can do things will pick up on it and run with this project on the next level/phase in the process of verification.

There is nothing I can do apart from writing relying totally on the Father and Jesus and the Sevenfold seraphic mission headed by the Ancient of Days.  It really is their hands including man.

Sevens


Hi Norman,

Thanks for responding with your query.

Essentially, the information I draw from regarding the 2nd Garden of Eden is The Urantia Book and its information relating to the default.

Here is the information of the 1stGarden
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper73.html

Here is information on the default
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper75.html

Here is information on the 2ndGarden of Eden
http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper76.html

However, in this particularly focalisation I found many other fragments in the Bible that supported the above information.

Note: the following study is on the run as I go and more could be done on this paper.

Here is a study I did in Ezekiel on Wednesday, 8 June 2005 12:32 PM which to me revealed the Garden of 1stEden of Cyprus and of the 2nd Garden, Cave of Treasures in a another land.
http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/enoch_ezekiel.htm#Assyrian

and here are some fragments in the Book of Adam and Eve that to me spells out the locations and what happened there.
http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/enoch_ezekiel.htm#Eve

Here is the Book of Adam and Eve and it provides a description of where Adam and Eve was expelled to, its name was the Cave of Treasures and that is another name for the 2nd Garden of Eden.  A small narrow place (between 2 rivers) where they had to work of the sweat of their brow in make their new home and the Elamite Nodites lived to the East of the land between 2 rivers, 2nd Eden.

http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/book_of_adam_and_eve.htm

Enjoy the study, remember I haven't visited this study in 2 years and in that time I have discovered many more places and things.

All the best in your reading and research

all the best

Sevens

Post  Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:33 pm
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but they are not nearly so detailed as are yours. My speculation involves a world before this one that contained reptilian life and was ruled by the chief reptile(satan). For some reason God destroyed the life on this planet and created a new world with creatures like himself to rule it(man). Satan and his beings were so enraged that they sought to retake control of the earth. Just speculation.



From what I understand the large reptiles where oversized and had a small brain and could not adapt to a changing environment and essentially ran out of food and died out and that's when the mammals began to rule because they had a larger brain, smaller sized and more adaptable.

I really don't know where you get this Satan thing and the reptiles that were not even sentient or self reflective. Some theories just become more preposterous the further down the track we go.

I suppose this is what happens when science is completely excluded from the equation due to some religious pride or bias which is completely unsubstantiated in any field.

A reptile wouldn't even be responsive to any spiritual leading brought about by any spiritual being. Are reptiles responsive these days responsive to spiritual leadings?...No because they are not self reflective like us Mammals which have greater capacity being sentient and reflective of worship and wisdom.

Some of things they teach in schools is just utter rubbish and dumbs down the people making them ignorant and stupid of the facts.

Sevens
 


Post  Mon Feb 25, 2008 7:52 pm
Even if you over the Genesis story from the 1st to the 7th day its a whole over view of evolution and creation over a period of time. In a nutshell it forms a evolutional story with the purpose of the creation but through an evolutional process.

That's how the worlds of time/space come about to produce sentiency of mankind through the evolution process but with purpose over time and thats the creational part.  The purpose of evolution.

The egg always comes before the chicken. Like in this world, there was stupid animals and then there was man who became stupid and dumb with inconstant and wrong teachings.

That's the story.

Sevens
 


Post  Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:00 pm
Hey Archmichael

I really believe that and its demonstrated, I think its definitely right. I agree with you to in that we agree ahahahaha!

Yes, I definitely agree that it is a marriage of both thoughts I totally agree with you thoughts, you're absolutely right!

Adjustment and correction over time right on!

Some of things they teach in the bible belt regarding this subject is just utter rubbish and should be severely corrected! Because at the end of the day man becomes divisive with stupid ideas that are not consistent anywhere and makes no sense at all compared to the facts of life as demonstrated.

all the best

sevens


Post  Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:23 pm
Yes I agree ArchMichael

That Moses tried to explain this in the simple story of the world but today because of literal ideas enforced by the church we have this totally inconsistent overview that forms part of the mass confusion we have on this planet and is leading no where and going no where and doing nothing for man in his going forward faith.

Just stick in the mud with silly ideas and preposterous unstable thoughts that cannot be substantiated on any level of science.

Just stick in the mud with silly ideas and preposterous unstable thoughts that cannot be substantiated on any level of science. Just walking in chosen ignorance created by doctrine without no consideration for anything on any level, an insult to mans intelligence and due diligence in his research with evidence to offer and an insult to the Father ultimately.

Those who teach this apostasy in all there anti society views should be fired immediately for dumbing down and benumbing the people!

Sevens


Post   Mon Feb 25, 2008 8:40 pm

Right on brother

I agree with you on all counts.

You spot there my friend absolutely!

There is a fine presentation to be had in this line of truth and understanding that would correct this morose thought going around on this subject connecting all levels of knowledge with harmony and greater understanding.

sevens


« Reply #14 on: Today at 04:29:59 am »

Hi 12 Apostles

Naah no way!

Thanks for your concern I appreciate it.  That's kind.

But I have researched this thoroughly for many years and I use all the scriptures in abundance including other books and I am absolutely sure I am right on to it and I know this is where Jesus and the Father wants everyone to go and its related directly to the heritage of the ages of the beginning of everything.

This is related to the discovered places which are the former things as presented in Isaiah, the beginning of the end.

I am not fearful because I am very intimate with the journey for many years.  These are the places where there is unfinished business of the Father and will serve as an expansion for all mankind, in a deeper and wider way with definition.

Its a total journey in faith and it has not stopped.

Thanks for your concern but I am not fearful in this journey and never will be and I have complete trust in the Father of the Kingdom of Heaven and through the guidance of the Sevenfold Seraphic Mission headed by the Ancient of Days. 

I can present the evidence unlike anyone on this planet and its guided by the books of religion and this will give Christianity so much benefit for the future and at the same time it marks the parting of the ways for many to.

I feel this is the presentation of the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise of research, exploration, discovery and enlightenment.  Far better way than war and violence and we can all learn something that expands and lifts the veil of ignorance.

Essentially it marks the end of the last rebel as he about to go to court, the universal courts.

Thank you.

Sevens


« Reply #9 on: Today at 04:46:19 am »

Right on Brother, right on.  Yea!

Your post would have to be the most positive and supportive post I ever received, I feel really blessed.

I'm glad that some one can see clearly see what I see in the journey to the beginning of the end of ignorance that leads to the former ages or the heritage of the ages.

The signs are apparent and its only fear within man that prevents him from seeing this in his rejection.

I believe this is a major breakthrough for religion and for all mankind guided by the Father in the Paradise and Jesus is most certainly supportive of this most excellent and high level journey.  This is bigger that the reformation far bigger and entails no violence.

The Father gives his approval of Enoch as seen in the New Testament and I am amazed that this journey was underpinned by Enoch, the bible and the Urantia Book (The Sevenfold doctrine/instruction) several years ago without knowing that Enoch was given approval by the Father in the New testament.

I really praise the Lord for this most excellent experience for all mankind.

I tell you mankind is going to conquer his fear big time in this and it will not stop and Father in Paradise is right behind full speed ahead and so are the angels.  I really rejoice in this most excellent path of the Lord and Jesus our sovereign is right here with us guiding everything.

This is the big opportunity for mankind right here, right now and I'm surprised that all the scholars completely missed this, completely overlooked it.  I suppose rigid and unbending doctrine can do this!

Thanks End times praise the Lord in the Kingdom of Heaven.

The record is written on the run throughout the journey, written each day, the testament. The only thing left is to go out there and confirm the great City, the truth of everything, the final truth which will serve as the completion! and the up step for all mankind.

Sevens


« Reply #6 on: Today at 02:56:27 pm »

Hi Norman

Thanks for your post, Yes I have to contemplated Rapture many times and I have searched for the truth of it.  I even made all kinds of predictions on Rapture as I felt rapture could be related to the ancient places as the focal point.

Here is a link where I attempted to accumulate scriptures that I came across that I felt was related to rapture.

http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com/translation_scriptures.htm

Perhaps I'm ahead of myself on this subject but I feel rapture in essence is a great learning and correction experience for man in his faith and will be the reckoning of false attitude brought about by Doctrine which is inconsistent.  This covers all religion not just one religion.

I sense that rapture is related to the end at the beginning (the former things) and is where the end shall be at the heritage of the ages.

I felt that if man or even his church of the Jesus rejects the final presentation of the Father at the beginning the Father will rapture the ones that have faith and the rest that are left behind will have to think about things for a while.  I believe this is the learning experience for man and this is where doctrine will be corrected and many will murmur about that and will be greatly disappointed that there doctrine failed them in there attitude which is the ultimate display.

Rapture is to me is the correction Rod for the Church and this will be the reckoning of doctrine that is inconsistent with the ultimate truth and attitude of Jesus.

I believe Jesus is here and if he is not here the Holy Spirit represents him and Jesus knows exactly what is happening and is guiding everything.

It could very well be that Jesus may visit Iran and its leadership at the point of rapture to open up the places for exploration there after. In these days no one is going to lift a finger over here because of gross slothfulness and disbelief even though we have all the resources to this. This could be the learning experience of the people and leadership in Iran and for Christianity together. I believe it is quite possible that Jesus himself will open the door and stimulate government to explore the places in light of this devastation where everyone is corrected and will learn something. This could be the lessons for Islam in the unification of all religion and serves as a correction for everyone.

In this part it is speculation but to me it makes total sense that all will see the truth where all pride and prejudice and false notions will be smashed to pieces.

This would destroy the division that divides us all. Its is prophesied in the Quran that Jesus will come and slay the last rebel or Dajjal at Babeludd. Not unlike in Christian prophecy and I believe it would be directly related to the beginning where the end is. Where the great correction begins! Where there is still unfinished business of the places relating to the fallen Sons of the Father.

I believe rapture is the reckoning of all false notions and inconsistency but more over it is completely related to attitude and stiff necked prejudice filled words and attitude that ultimately leads to death and destruction as we see today without a doubt.

Everyone will learn a great lesson and will be humbled totally but in that man will arise perfected through the trials of his faith in the experience. 

At this time the last rebel is restrained to a degree but post rapture the rebel will be unrestrained for a time because the elect wont be here to subdue the mischievousness of the rebel and that's when many things will fall apart.

If man, at the end of rapture fails to see this and whitewashes the whole thing to some pheonomena then there is no alternative to a severe judgment of all mankind and that's when the Ancient of Days arrive physically committed to judgment.  Post rapture/pre judgment could also mark the the beginning of the rise of the beast who may be represented as an individual who may very well hijack the places for his own benefit.

However the corrected faithful ones in this period will be protected and will be looked after but  could mark real devastation for many people in the failure of the doctrine which is displayed in there ultimate attitude in the post rapture period.

The dead sea scrolls and information written by the last teacher of righteousness is completely relevant to this time and by faith, the Office of the Messiah has been opened and fulfilled as according the words of the last teacher of righteousness.

As to the timing I have no idea but I feel the timing its is related to the attitude of man in this time right now!  Where I am ahead of myself I have no idea all I can do is write for the Sevenfold Seraphic teaching corp in this mission of Earth.

Personally, I don't think there will be many raptured as that will mark the failure of leadership to pick up on these things and reluctance to share with the congregation.  This time is a time of faith and if the watchtower falls asleep whilst on duty failing to warn and prepare the congregation then it will be evident of the failure of leadership and the congregation will not be happy even though its a individual thing in the attitude!

Its a catch 22, your damned if you don't act and your damned by your peers if you are ahead of yourself ahahahah.

What a scenario and it will take great boldness and faith for a real leader to warn the congregation in faith.

Personally, If I was a leader of a great church I would be upfront and honest in the assessment and I would keep nothing away or even suppress it because the proof will be in the evidence.  That's why I say that it is Christianity's responsibility to explore these places with a true heart and with sincerity to explore and search to truth of these places.  The truth of the matter!  Its for the congregation sake not for personal standing or anything like that.  All pride will be taken out of man when he realizes he missed the boat because of attitude in the failure!!

Somehow I think the talk is over and now its in the action battle stations for the survival of Christianity and all its people in the whole body! So I would grab the check book and go out there and verify the and check out everything related to this grand adventure that will have consequences. Its is time for re evaluation in the search for the truth in the physical! in the verification.
Its is time for re evaluation in the search for the truth in the physical! in the verification whilst there is time in the beforehand!

Its is time for re evaluation in the search for the truth in the physical! in the verification whilst there is time in the beforehand!

I cant do a thing except to write, that's all I can do.

Here is another thread I started sometime ago relating to rapture which may be beholden to further clues in the great Seventh mystery.

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=20;t=000162

All the best Norman

Sevens


« Reply #15 on: Today at 04:28:38 pm »

Here are some fragment that I found on another forum and  is completely true in the experience of this journey

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The UB

"The soil essential for religious growth presupposes a progressive life of self-realization, the co-ordination of natural propensities, the exercise of curiosity and the enjoyment of reasonable adventure, the experiencing of feelings of satisfaction, the functioning of the fear stimulus of attention and awareness, the wonder-lure, and a normal consciousness of smallness, humility. Growth is also predicated on the discovery of selfhood accompanied by self-criticism--conscience, for conscience is really the criticism of oneself by one's own value-habits, personal ideals." 1094:07

"The religion of the spirit means effort, struggle, conflict, faith, determination, love, loyalty, and progress." 1729:06

"The progression of religious growth leads from stagnation through conflict to co-ordination, from insecurity to undoubting faith, from confusion of cosmic consciousness to unification of personality, from the temporal objective to the eternal, from the bondage of fear to the liberty of divine sonship." 1098:04-05

"...the religion of the spirit, which entails active participation of mind and soul in the faith adventure of grappling with the rigorous realities of progressive human experience." 1729:03


and

 

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"4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual--it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension." 8:10


sevens


« Reply #8 on: Today at 06:06:53 pm »

I just want to add that 6 out the 7 seventh churches in revelation receive a very large rebuke in the final times.

Which churches are they?

To me that speaks of the nearly the whole body of Jesus for failing to recognize and act when the signs clearly show themselves. It is obvious that the Churches become slothful and do nothing in their fear, pride and prejudice!! even after being warned!

Christianity and its leaders are not out of the woods by any stretch of the imagination no matter what they think about themselves.

There is only one church that receives blessings and that is the church of Philadelphia 1 out of 7 and they are the true followers and doers of the teachings of teachers and makes up the smallest contingent!

1 out 7 is not good odds at all and therefore I would listen and act rather than spurn and reject this journey to the beginning where the end shall take place and that may possibly be this journey to the Heritage of the Ages.

One manifestation of the rebuke could be those left behind of the rapture where the thoughts and attitude failed in the end times where those behind have to review everything about their doctrines and dogma and they will murmur as foreseen by Isaiah!

By the way this will include all religions that are inconsistent in the attitude toward their fellow brother in truth to that required of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven and Jesus and it will include a new book written by the Finger of the Father through his angels.

The writing is on the wall as in Babylon!

Sevens


Post  Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:17 am
Yes, I thought that was pretty cool to this part got me going

Mk 13:10 - The Bible and / or the "little Book".

Not to mention all the other parts

A new book eh, a little book related to judgement.

Does the truth of everything come from the sea that destroys the Babylon system in truth?? and is it linked to the new book?? perhaps the book on everything, perhaps [b]the Sevenfold instruction[/b] revealing the whole of his creation (everything concerning the Kingdom of Heaven) as prophesied in Enoch and connected to judgement which the Father approves as found in the new Testament.

Perhaps the air might mean the internet a worldwide facility, the Internet is also broadcast through Satellite through the air in conjunction with cable and it could be a world wide presentation. Honestly I wonder if its something to do with the beginning of all things where the end will be.

I just wonder??

The ArchMichael thoughts made more sense than any other interpretation I have ever seen on this forum.

Could it be that ArchMichael is right on target, on the ball here!

Is there a significant point or event that can tell us the outcome of what occurs?? in the process leading to judgement??

Brother ArchMichael, you know bro we could be in the actual moment, we could be all living in the living prophecy right here, right NOW!

How exciting that we could be seeing the actual playing out of the events before our very eyes.

Beyond all measure!

Sevens


Post  Wed Feb 27, 2008 7:39 am
Lucifer was in charge of this constellation that our solar system is within and his pride got the better of him. He was created by Jesus. In essence he was a high level angel so to speak and he is a fallen son. Lucifer was system soveriegn, higher than angels.

Satan was his sidekick he also fell.

 
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UB

The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia,
were principally derived from the Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the "day of judgment," but he connected this event with the end of the world.



and

 

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Melchizedek taught the concept of one God, a universal Deity, but he allowed the people to associate this teaching with the Constellation Father of Norlatiadek, whom he termed El Elyon--the Most High. Melchizedek remained all but silent as to the status of Lucifer and the state of affairs on Jerusem. Lanaforge, the System Sovereign, had little to do with Urantia until after the completion of Michael's bestowal. To a majority of the Salem students Edentia was heaven and the Most High was God

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Lucifer, the System Sovereign of Satania



Here is an interesting excerpt on judgement

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Then, as the people went down by the river to witness the baptizing, the first man came privately to Jesus about his inheritance inasmuch as he thought Jesus had dealt harshly with him; and when the Master had again heard him, he replied: "My son, why do you miss the opportunity to feed upon the bread of life on a day like this in order to indulge your covetous disposition? Do you not know that the Jewish laws of inheritance will be justly administered if you will go with your complaint to the court of the synagogue? Can you not see that my work has to do with making sure that you know about your heavenly inheritance?

Have you not read the Scripture: `There is he who waxes rich by his wariness and much pinching, and this is the portion of his reward: Whereas he says, I have found rest and now shall be able to eat continually of my goods, yet he knows not what time shall bring upon him, and also that he must leave all these things to others when he dies.' Have you not read the commandment: `You shall not covet.'

And again, `They have eaten and filled themselves and waxed fat, and then did they turn to other gods.' Have you read in the Psalms that `the Lord abhors the covetous,' and that `the little a righteous man has is better than the riches of many wicked.' `If riches increase, set not your heart upon them.' Have you read where Jeremiah said, `Let not the rich man glory in his riches'; and Ezekiel spoke truth when he said, `With their mouths they make a show of love, but their hearts are set upon their own selfish gain'."

Jesus sent the young man away, saying to him, "My son, what shall it profit you if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?"

To another standing near by who asked Jesus how the wealthy would stand in the day of judgment,
he replied: "I have come to judge neither the rich nor the poor, but the lives men live will sit in judgment on all. Whatever else may concern the wealthy in the judgment, at least three questions must be answered by all who acquire great wealth, and these questions are:

"1. How much wealth did you accumulate?

"2. How did you get this wealth?

"3. How did you use your wealth?"


Then Jesus went into his tent to rest for a while before the evening meal. When the apostles had finished with the baptizing, they came also and would
Page 1823 have talked with him about wealth on earth and treasure in heaven, but he was asleep.

Jesus talks to the apostles on Wealth

and this very important fragment for today

 

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6. ANSWER TO PETER'S QUESTION

As they sat thinking, Simon Peter asked: "Do you speak this parable to us, your apostles, or is it for all the disciples?" And Jesus answered:

"In the time of testing, a man's soul is revealed; trial discloses what really is in the heart. When the servant is tested and proved, then may the lord of the house set such a servant over his household and safely trust this faithful steward to see that his children are fed and nurtured. Likewise, will I soon know who can be trusted with the welfare of my children when I shall have returned to the Father. As the lord of the household shall set the true and tried servant over the affairs of his family, so will I exalt those who endure the trials of this hour in the affairs of my kingdom.

"But if the servant is slothful and begins to say in his heart, `My master delays his coming,' and begins to mistreat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with the drunken, then the lord of that servant will come at a time when he looks not for him and, finding him unfaithful, will cast him out in disgrace. Therefore you do well to prepare yourselves for that day when you will be visited suddenly and in an unexpected manner. Remember, much has been given to you; therefore will much be required of you. Fiery trials are drawing near you. I have a baptism to be baptized with, and I am on watch until this is accomplished. You preach peace on earth, but my mission will not bring peace in the material affairs of men--not for a time, at least. Division can only be the result where two members of a family believe in me and three members reject this gospel. Friends, relatives, and loved ones are destined to be set against each other by the gospel you preach. True, each of these believers shall have great and lasting peace in his own heart, but peace on earth will not come until all are willing to believe and enter into their glorious inheritance of sonship with God. Nevertheless, go into all the world proclaiming this gospel to all nations, to every man, woman, and child."

And this was the end of a full and busy Sabbath day. On the morrow Jesus and the twelve went into the cities of northern Perea to visit with the seventy, who were working in these regions under Abner's supervision.



Abner eventually started the Church of Philadelphia (Eastern Christian church) The Eastern branch of Christianity was run over by Islam in 400AD thereabouts.

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Post  Wed Feb 27, 2008 12:33 pm
these things I said not unto you at the beginning, because I was with you. 5 But now I go my way to him that sent me; and none of you asketh me, Whither goest thou? 6 But because I have said these things unto you, sorrow hath filled your heart.[/quote]

Does the above relate to the rejection of the hierarchy of the Churches of what has been revealed on the run concerning the cities of the beginning and the little book?

I said not unto you at the beginning Is this another reference to the beginning the focalisation of the journey?? The beginning as in the cities and relates to the Jesus involvement to this journey right from the beginning of the beginning of where the end will come. Note: "because I was with you."

 
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I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:



The focus of this journey has been related to the beginning with Judgement attached and it all has to do with reprove and correction of wrong notions and attitude. Apparently rejection of the message is regarded as a sin. " Of sin, because they believe not on me;"

"12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now" Thats because the technology at that was primitive and man would not understand until the right conditions are ready in the verification. "13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and HE WILL SHEW YOU THINGS TO COME. " Yes in the physical demonstration of the discovery things are being shown and demonstrated and related to the new little book directly! and the oncoming of judgement as demonstrated in the books of religion.

"14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you." The whole journey has been the glorification of the Father in Kingdom of Heaven and he will come claim his own. Seem like rapture maybe involved??

"2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer." The bow is the bow of truth as demonstrated and the crown is the discovery of the lost cities Dalamatia City and 1stEden, they are the crowns, its a double crown and Van highland headquarters is a 3rd crown. The crowns have been claimed!

It could be that after rapture that I feel maybe being related to the ancient beginning places, the submerged cities are perhaps hijacked for another purpose outside the purposes of the Father. It could be that the physical beast usurps the claiming of the cities as his own and capitalizes on it for his own purpose perhaps to strengthen his religion in the furtherance of death and destruction??

There two discovers involved in the discovery of the Cities, Dalamatia City and 1stEden. The battle is truth and getting it out there which includes interpretation of the scriptures. I would agree with ArchMichael in the respect that the rider of the white horse is representative of Jesus, his servant as in the witness.

Note: "this Gospel" which means an expanded gospel through a little new book which demonstrates of itself in the discovery. Also consider that through the Internet the expanded Gospel is currently worldwide and is published where all man has access to the source information already.

 

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1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree. 2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.


Judgement will not come until everything has been fulfilled and the servants of Jesus have fulfilled there work in the last living Seventh mystery. Until the Servants of the Father in this living mystery have done their job I believe rapture will occur and then all hell break loose so to speak on this planet.

"14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." This gospel of the Kingdom is already electronically published throughout the world on the Internet and I believe it is directly related to the little new book. This Gospel is being preached throughout the world through the witness of the discoveries of the cities related to an expanded little book.

"10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations" Its is already published worldwide electronically and is accessible

I would like to thank ArchMichael for his work in presenting these scripture with his thoughts which I think is very accurate.

I wanted to expand on these scriptures in relation to my own focalisation in the journey to the ancient places.

I think this is the moment and should be researched by all but i know it will be rejected Also note that if there is usurping of the ancient cities by the AC you know the truth of the whole journey from the beginning as documented in may forums such as this.

so all the best and lets see what occurs.

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Post  Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:00 pm
Hey ArchMichael

No problem

In actual fact I think Jesus did give us everything of the last construct in revelation. Particularly when it mentions the books are are opened and the mention of a little book and including the use of the Enoch and including the book of life.

In essence there appears to be multiple books opened and a little book in the hand of the Angel which in my mind is written by the hands of angels. There appears to be many books opened in the final days.

Lets list them

The Bible and its prophecies
The Little Book (I believe the UB)
The Book of Enoch (mentioned in the NT, the testimony of Enoch)
The Sevenfold instruction (Prophesied in Enoch to be given by Heaven)
The Book of Life (opened by the Ancient of Days)
and other books that are opened (like books of other religious cultures that are relevant and have been used in the journey to the beginning)
All the books that are opened (Mentioned in revelation) This means multiple books that unify in the focalisation.

Out of curiosity here is a word search on Sevenfold in the UB which proves it as the Sevenfold instruction revealing all of his creation as in Enoch.

Sevenfold word search which exceeds the limitation of the database The Sevenfold is the realm of the Ancient of Days! and the UB is the instruction/doctrine, the little book in my view written in hands of Angels.

As we agree back 2000 years ago Jesus couldn't reveal everything because the level of understanding and technology was still primitive and even John probably couldn't understand everything as technology was very primitive in his day but he wrote in faith and in terms that he could understand of which we benefit for today but have to decipher in our own reality of the day. These days its a different story and the conditions are right so therefore all the embedded information in all the books relevant to the end times will be extracted and will fit like a glove clearly pointing to the living mystery in parallel and which can be understood and its related to the beginning.

Also note that Christianity during this process will go through its completion because it will be expanded as man has expanded in understanding in this day compared to 2000 years ago. During my Bible college days I was always taught that Christianity is not complete and will go through a completion in the end times and which entails the opening of many books.

The NT is not the final version as we can clearly read in the Revelation but it does have everything pertinent to this time and is embraced for now and the future but there is much more to come and revelation does infer an expansion of everything through other opened books.

Hey Arch Michael, these are just feelings of mine through my own journey, everyone has there thoughts on things but I respect what you extracted and all I'm trying to do is open it up and see if I can see some more stuff.

On the same token everything has to be tested and that's what we are doing right now.

All the best

Sevens
 

Post  Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:25 pm
For the truth

It will not make any difference doing this as no one will hear or listen that's why many will be left behind to relearn doctrine all over again. It will be the reckoning of all things and mans attitude and this includes all things inconsistent within the church like attitude and the failure to understand all things being exampled by pride and prejudice in ignorance. That's why we have judgement and prophecy and that's why 6 out of the 7 churches are rebuked in the end times.

And that is written in revelation in the NT, its essentially because of the stiff necked attitude and the limited and poor teaching of the current disfigured body of Jesus which is marked by division contained within the whole body.

This also can be seen in the confusion and the lack of depth in the interpretations currently that you see on this forum.

The rebuke will be the left behind after rapture! and that includes many people in Christianity particularly the teachers of error for self serving purposes.

Christianity is going to go through the fire of correction. There are many that are led by wolves in sheep's clothing and do not respond to the great signs because they have been benumbed by many teachers taking advantage of ones fear and capitalizing through imposition on a mans will, they do this so they receive a pay check at the end of the month.

Essentially, there are many leaders that are just arseholes and I am against them. Also if there is new truth and which can be demonstrated they will keep the truth from the congregation and that is simply plain dishonesty and that's why Jesus will not recognize many who heal and speak in the name of Jesus because they were only in it for themselves. They are just a walking hypocrisy!

Actually, I have seen that with my own eyes when a pastor that I knew admitted that he could not share this truth as it would destroy his congregation even though he agreed with what was presented was the truth. What an arsehole that guy was and he was the guy who would preach give every scrap of your money to me, in which he created a radio station procured by using the gospel. He left many people devastated and poor with no recourse! Only his henchman made good money!

This guy will have much to answer for in using the Gospel for self serving purposes. He is the type that Jesus will not recognize despite his words and crap because he left a number of people devastated to pick up the pieces. I tried to contact him a few times but he never returns the message which shows you the hypocrisy. Because he knew I was right and he already failed in the light of truth and through his admittance of truth but rejected it. And that is all over the body of Jesus and Jesus does not like that all and is not happy with those type of wolves in sheep's clothing! Always out with the hand for money using the name of Jesus through emotional blackmail and also using Sevenfold as a bribe for more blessings in return of giving money!

Totally false doctrine and an insult to the Ancient of Days by using Sevenfold as weapon for money and through the bribe of Sevenfold blessings from heaven if you give money! or even tithe which is another imposition into the personal and financial life of man.

Jesus respected the lady who gave all (a shilling) from a willing heart even though it was shilling, the last she had. Man should never be forced nor compelled by some guy to give to the church through doctrine being used as a weapon. He should give from his own free will of love for one another and that is more acceptable than the idea of "If I give I should get back Sevenfold". Absolute crap!

There will be no prosperity in the end times period of which we are about to enter in the next phase! during the judgment process.

No one fools the Most high! Jesus and his Gospel is not to be used as a money making scam and those that do will not make at all! they will be rejected and kicked out of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Sevens

Post  Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:59 am Are in the moment
I think the following chapter has relevance to the above maybe, it seems dire to a degree.


 
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The Multitude in Heaven Praises God

Revelation 19

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: [1] for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The Rider on the White Horse

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LordS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



This must be the clue to the man on the white horse

"he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

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I think the following chapter has relevance to the above maybe, it seems dire to a degree.


 

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The Multitude in Heaven Praises God

Revelation 19

And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God: 2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged the great whore, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand. 3 And again they said, Alleluia. And her smoke rose up for ever and ever. 4 And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne, saying, Amen; Alleluia.

5 And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that fear him, both small and great. 6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. 7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: [1] for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. 10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
The Rider on the White Horse

11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND Lord OF LordS. 17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God; 18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.



This must be the clue to the man on the white horse

"he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself."

and I thought the following chapter was interesting but seem down the track.


the beginning

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Revelation 21And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. 4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, [b]Write: for these words are true and faithful. 6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. 7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; [1] and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The New Jerusalem

9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; 12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof. 16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal. 17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel. 18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass. 19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald; 20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. 21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass. 22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie:
but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.



A city with gates like the gates to the submerged first cities, the first submerged places and the former things.

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Post Fri Feb 29, 2008 10:59 am

 

A city with gates like the gates to the submerged first cities, the first submerged places and the former things.

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12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.



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Post  Sat Mar 01, 2008 1:00 am
About the Horseman Yes, I agree to I came to that conclusion as well last night as I going through the scriptures.

However, from what I understand Michael is another name for Jesus but whether he his the horseman I tend to think its a witness representative.
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No. I said, "I can't believe" that Christ didn't give us everything. In other words, I do believe Christ gave us everything.


But Jesus did give everything to man in the Revelation NT, everything about the last construct but is leading us to more contained in all the books that are opened for the future which does include a little and new book inclusive of everything pertinent. I rejoice in that fact!

Mind you out of all the books that are opened it really ends at the Johns revelation and with the view of moving forward to new horizons in knowledge and understanding in which Jesus is leading us all and remember that Jesus couldn't give everything 2000 years for man as man could bare or understand it..right! There was more to come and we are alert of it today.

Very exciting isn't it and gives real life more so to the words being in the experience of living it in faith and doing things in the beforehand only to see it written in the beforehand. And then it manifests. A real Paradise timeline event in faith and true to its words in the reality.

That's my view, everyone has there idea!

But I see everything very much reflected in the journey to the beginning of where the end will occur.

Hey about my website link that I posted. The thought of making those gates leading to the beginning was a just an idea that occurred to me. It was one day when I got sick of giving everything away so easily to man without man lifting a finger I thought up the idea of the Gates to the beginning cities. I felt man had to work a little to the cities to find the pearl of great price, the Crowns of the first places, the beginning.

It was only during the construction of the Gates that I started to find scripture relating to gates and the city. I found it confirmed in my mind as I was building the gates on the website.

Not the other way round, when I knew and then built the gates, I built and then found it written and I thought using all the scriptures in all the opened books in the gate paths relating to the Crowns and the former things was perfect with links to other relating studies. It becomes a learning experience through the scriptures on the paths that lead to the first and beginning ancient places.

That was an amazing experience!

also

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The only books that I read that are "opened" in Rev 20, are the Book of Life, and each individual AUTOBIOGRAPHICAL book that was recorded for each person who lived a life on Earth. In other words, as we live our life here on earth, our book is updated daily with the good and bad that we do daily. It is from those books that we are judged, to wit:



isn't everyone life in the Book of Life? and out of the books that are opened everyone is judge upon the standards contained within them.

That to me suggests religious books pertinent to the journey and last construct before rapture of the elect.

Everyone's life within the book of life...The life book of everyone opened within the book of life! How you live your life!

Sevens
 


Post  Sun Mar 02, 2008 9:31 am
Hi

Ive been contemplating all the scripts posted up from the Revelation and I m convinced that we have seen a great truth on these scriptures and actually living it out.

Deep down I feel very peaceful and quietly confident that there is an activation, all it takes is a realisation that incepts the nest stage in the journey.

I all of this man has to work it out and contemplating.

I feel there is something stirring in the heavens and I'm sure its related to the beginning.

Personally, I'm really happy the ArchMichael made this thread and I think it has created much value in the thoughts that have been expressed as we look at the scriptures.

I feel we are in an advanced stage of an event of some sort. I think its a matter of time and maybe its related to rapture. The first translating death. Which rapture when the Father comes for his sealed. I feel I have a great realisation from the end scriptures and it reflects many aspects of the journey to the beginning. I cant help think about and the short term prospects before rapture.

I think we are very advanced in the scriptures and I would very prepared no matter what anyone things in there idea. I think this just universal call. I think the prospect of seeing Jesus is something we all have in common regardless of interpretation that we may have.


Sevens
 

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Don't feel bad, I have problems with a lot passages in the Bible, too. I'm just not an organized religion type of person.


Hi no I dont feel bad at what Ive discovered, not at all.  Because I found the key in all the books of religion I feel quite invigorated and rather happy.  Just recently I feel there has been a big realisation even in revelation.

With the UB well that your decision and thoughts and there is nothing I can say that will  convince you otherwise.

At the end of the day it has to demonstrate itself and I feel its doing that in my own journey to the ancient places and I am very happy about despite people thoughts that perhaps is negative.

By the way organized religion?? No not me just and individual religionist and does believe that religion has much truth in it and I feel it is manifesting itself! and nothing that you or I cant stop as I feel something has been activated that will make everything wider, deeper and loving. All it takes is for one individual to find the key! and then??

Regards

sevens


Post  Tue Mar 04, 2008 11:03 pm
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Well-said, and True! Your "universal call", is what I call, "The Universal Truth". There really is no, "Jew" or "Christian". We are all one in The Lord, and there is only ONE UNIVERSAL TRUTH! That universal truth shall be exercised in the Millennial reign of Christ on Earth, when there will no longer be a "Jew", or "Christian", or "Muslim", or "black", or "white", or "American", or "Aussey", et el..... and I dearly look forward to that day!



For sure ArchMichael

I agree with what you say the truth is beyond all barriers of dogma, race and religion, the truth is the truth and we explore the truth to see what it beholds and which leads to the Father in our own individual way and yet with the commonality of the Jesus we all share. Its in the sharing with friendliness connecting to the commonalities we find in our own research that make the one.


I really look forward to the day , undoubtedly...I constantly think about it.


All blessings
sevens


Post  Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:45 am
ey Jimmy, I can agree, to a degree that you can find what you want in the scriptures but there must be an ultimate reality and truth and thats what I'm concerned with.

I was wonder do you know what the Seventh Mystery is? and how it plays out in Revelation? in the reality in the final construct to change.

What I rest on is the evidence in the images and what was written about them and then try and find the commonality in all the books and thats what I'm finding as I look in the New testament.

For example in the following piece I see much commonality to this journey in some ways sine truth fragment snippets

http://www.secta7.com/articles/bnai.html
 
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(Matthew 4:1-10 “Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in [their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. Jesus said unto him,

It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. hen saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”)



Well looking in commonality of this journey to the ancient places Dalamatia City, 1St Eden, the Dilmuns and the Highland headquarters I see much in common. There all Cities with Temples in the middle of them??

For example

"“Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil. And when he had fasted [b]forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred."[/b]
I look in accordance to this journey to the ancient places and on July 4th 06 I declared a 40 day test based on the 40 days of Jesus in the wilderness for 40 days, Noah's Ark 40 days and Roaming in the wilderness for 40 years. Why I declared the test is because I was fed up with terrorism http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com/test.htm 4 days after I found Enoch's 10 week judgement I declared the test of mankind and its was in the 70 day I found Babel/Dilmun and 1stSusa. The test extended itself for a year confirmed in another book where at the beginning of the 40 test in the next season I discovered Dalamatia City, the real one. Equal timing in the discovery.

I believe that we are still in the test and the ancient places is the veichle in the test and is still active.

In the following

"If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."

If I look in commonality to this journey one of the conditions of the success of this expedition is the verification of the city and the lifting of the Seven commands as proposed last year on this forum. The only stones that Jesus and the Lucifer would have are the stones of truth, the Seven Noah's Noahaic (so to speak) commands.

To make them into bread would that be like a sell out, a compromise of truth in the discovery in the physical which may not be myself! "but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God."" Also the association to the word of God and living by it as I have been in this complete journey to the ancient places. Where I have shared it with everyone with openness so others could benefit, Its been honest and sincere and freely given in the adventure, not asking for price or reward.

So we have association to this journey to the ancient places we have the:

40 days 40 nights = the Forty day test in the journey declare on July4th 06
Stones = Seven commands
word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God = connected to documentation of the journey to the first places and shared for years the whole time.

and now this piece
"the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;"

In commonality to the journey we are speaking directly about lost first and second temples of the Father in the middle of cities, the beginning places. They are the Crowns of ancient heritages of the ages unsurpassed and never revealed before through a faith journey led through the wilderness where there is hunger and thirst but being led through the books of heaven. These places are the former glories of ancient ages. The mountains are the temples.

Anyway I find it interesting that now we are speaking of the Holy cites of the past and about the glory of them.

Does this story of Jesus temptation reflect the final construct of what the last construct is? and in essence reflects this journey to the ancient places with all the key components.

Is there still more to be revealed in this mystery of how, in the reality the end shall come??

Jimmy, I cant help see the commonalities in the scriptures.

 

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Like in Enoch 93:11

11 [For who is there of all the children of men that is able to hear the voice of the Holy One without being troubled ? And who can think His thoughts ? and who is there that can behold all the works 12 of heaven ? And how should there be one who could behold the heaven, and who is there that could understand the things of heaven and see a soul or a spirit and could tell thereof, or ascend and see 13 all their ends and think them or do like them ? And who is there of all men that could know what is the breadth and the length of the earth, and to whom has been shown the measure of all of them ?



Sevens


Other Historical Accounts

The Book of Enoch

Although not recognized as canonical literature, the Apostle Jude in the Bible has quoted the Ethoptic version call Enoch 1. There are several distinct writing styles and there was uncertainty of authorship for the whole book. This (in part) prevented it from becoming a part of the Bible. The book however was recognized for it’s historical content in the time of Jesus and was accepted as such and quoted.

In it we find the mention of one of the fallen angels called "Watchers" (this term is used by Daniel) who "scattered over the earth the secrets of heaven". We are told that God was angry that they disclosed certain secrets of heaven to their offspring, things men were striving to learn, and which God did not intend to reveal to fallen man. Along with these secrets, other acts began to take place that even shocked the citizens of earth. "They began to devour one another, and drink the blood."


http://www.alislam.org/library/books/revelation/part_6_section_1.html

Then the waters returned and covered the chariots, the horsemen, and all the army of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them. Not so much as one of them remained.
But the children of Israel had walked on dry land in the midst of the sea...' 1

Evidently, according to this Biblical statement, all bodies were claimed by the sea, Pharaoh being no exception. The rout was total. As against this, the following is the statement of the Quran referring to the same event. The difference is so obvious:


And We brought the children of Israel across the sea; and Pharaoh and his hosts pursued them wrongfully and aggressively, till, when the calamity of drowning overtook him, he said, 'I believe that there is no God but He in Whom the children of Israel believe, and I am of those who submit to Him.'

What! Now! While thou wast disobedient before this and wast of those who create disorder.

So this day We will save thee in thy body alone that thou mayest be a Sign to those who come after thee. And surely, many of mankind are heedless of Our Signs. 2


Post  Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:12 pm
I was thinking about the temptation of Jesus all night.

I was thinking that Lucifer was revealing the end times scenario and all it components before its time and was preempting/tempting Jesus to reveal the end time scenario in his hunger. Perhaps thats why Jesus said to Lucifer to get behind me as Lucifer was in the beforehand and using the end time scenario tempting Jesus by impatience and discomfort ahead of time. The last construct is not to be revealed until the appointed time and it is for the purpose of the Father in the right time and is probably why Jesus told Satan to fall in line and get behind him.

I believe the end times was meant to be a joint venture between man himself and Jesus in the journey of revealing truth in a educational, discovery verification process.  Like in a class at school.  Through enlightenment.  Using world reality in realisation.

I still believe the temptation of the Jesus was something to do with the beginning places and its revealment in the End Times.

The only way to test is to go out there, talk are just opinions but we can test these thoughts in the physical verification of the places. We already have with 1stEden.

I also believe that when the end times scenario, living realit