The Targum from the
Beginnings
"on the run
thoughts" As it is written daily, the
path and soul of the journey
leading to great and fabulous discoveries with realizations and
directionalisation
entering into great things!
Re:
Hezbollah sparks a war in Lebanon Mon May 12, 2008 7:56 am
Hey Geo,
No worries. See what pans out! But I feel if these groups dont back from war
it will be a fruitless experience at the end of the day.
Regarding Iran I know what you mean it seems to be heading that way.
Im hoping that what I propose in my journey will be test of truth and will
be verified. If verified this will clearly present the truth from a Universal
Government point if view.
That's why I believe its very important that Dalamatia City is verified.
Failing verification least we had a good go!
Anyway, If this can be verified and brings in change, maybe the attitude may
alter for the better. The journey offers challenge for all parties!
That's what Im hoping where truth is in the face of all. I get the impression
that terrorist groups are losing ground as the truth doesn't support them,
well from what Ive seen in the books. They would be better of disbanding and
rebuild civilisation at home and embark on the journey of truth where the
bronze is replaced with Gold, New for Old.
Really that would be my best advise for them! Turn back from war!
All the best
Sevens
Thousands
flee as Quake hits China Mon May 12, 2008 8:28 am
Thousands of people were evacuated from buildings as an earthquake
measuring 7.5 on the Richter scale struck western China.
The tremor was felt as far away as Thailand and Vietnam.
The earthquake struck 57 miles north-west of the Sichuan provincial
capital of Chengdu at 2.28 pm (0628 GMT), the US Geological Survey said on
its website. It said the quake was centred 6.2 miles below the surface.
An eyewitness in Chengdu, reached by phone, said people flooded from
buildings, but there was no immediate sign of damage or injuries.
The quake was
centred on the eastern edge
of the Tibetan plateau, where mountains rise sharply and the
population density is generally thin.
In the Chinese capital, Beijing, about 930 miles away, buildings swayed
for more than two minutes but there were no immediate reports of damage or
injuries.
Thousands of frightened office workers and shoppers fled buildings,
including offices of the organising committee for the Beijing Olympics.
People lingered outside buildings in the central business district even 30
minutes after the shaking stopped.
A magnitude 7.5 earthquake is considered a major event, capable of causing
widespread damage and injuries in populated areas.
In the Taiwanese capital of Taipei, 100 miles off the south-eastern
Chinese coast, buildings swayed when the quake hit. There were no
immediate reports of injuries or damage.
The quake was felt as far away as the Vietnamese capital of Hanoi, where
some people hurried out of swaying office buildings and into the streets.
A building in the Thai capital of Bangkok was also evacuated after the
quake was felt there.
Tornados in the USA? sounds like a concentration of events.
Brig! Its not worth it
Its a real waste of time speaking with you.
I raised 2 points regarding the era and the time relating to the roofless circle
temples and the scientific view on the age of Cardiz and no one even tried to
discuss it. So therefore, I feel Cardiz as
atlantis is flawed!
This is G.R.S. Mead's translation of
the Pistis Sophia, the most extensive
Gnostic scripture available until the discovery of Nag
Hammadi texts in
1945.
Any way I found this fragment from a
Seventh Mystery keyword search.
quote:
CHAPTER 86
And Jesus answered and said unto Mary: "Finely indeed dost thou question
concerning all with precision and certainty. But hearken, Mary, that
I may
speak with thee about the consummation of the æon and the ascension of the
universe. It will not yet take place; but I have said unto you:
'If I
lead you into the region of the inheritances of those who shall receive the
mystery of the Light, |189. then will the
Treasury of the Light, the
region of the emanations, count for you as a speck of dust only and as the
light of the sun by day.'
"I have therefore said: 'This will take place
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Of the twelve saviours and their regions in the
Inheritance.at the time of the
consummation [and] of the ascension of the universe.'
The twelve saviours
of the Treasury and the twelve orders of every one of them, which are the
emanations of the seven Voices and of the five Trees, they will be with me in
the region of the inheritances of the Light; being kings with me in my
kingdom, and every one of them being king over his emanations, and moreover
every one of them being king according to his glory, the great according to
his greatness and the little according to his littleness.
"And the saviour of the emanations of the first Voice will be in the region of
the souls of those who have received the first mystery of the First Mystery in
my kingdom.
"And the saviour of the emanations of the second Voice will be in the region
of the souls of those who have received the second mystery of the First
Mystery.
"In like manner also will the saviour of the emanations of the third Voice be
in the region of the souls of those who have received the third mystery of the
First Mystery in the E inheritances of the Light.
"And the saviour of the emanations of the fourth Voice of the Treasury of the
Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the fourth
mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.
"And the fifth saviour of the fifth Voice of the Treasury of the Light will be
in the region of the souls of those who have received the fifth mystery of the
First Mystery in the inheritances of the Light.
p. 161
"And the sixth saviour of the emanations of the sixth Voice of the Treasury of
the Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have received the
sixth mystery of the First Mystery.
"And the seventh saviour of the emanations of the seventh Voice of the
Treasury of the Light will be in the region of the souls of those who have
received the seventh mystery of the First Mystery in the Treasury [sic] of the
Light.
"And the eighth saviour, that is the
saviour of the emanations of the first
Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those
who have received the I eighth mystery of the First Mystery in the
inheritances of the Light.
"And the ninth saviour, that is the
saviour of the emanations of the second
Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those
who have received the ninth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances
of the Light.
"And the tenth saviour, that is the
saviour of the emanations of the third
Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those
who have received the tenth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances
of the Light.
"In like manner also the eleventh saviour, that is the
saviour of the fourth
Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those
who have received the eleventh mystery of the First Mystery in the
inheritances of the Light.
"And the twelfth saviour, that is the
saviour of the emanations of the fifth
Tree of the Treasury of the Light, will be in the region of the souls of those
who have received the twelfth mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances
of the Light.
p. 162
Of the ascension of those of the Treasury into the Inheritance." And
the seven |192. Amēns and
the five Trees and the three
Amēns will be on
my right, being kings in the inheritances of the Light.
And the Twin-saviours,
that is the Child of the Child, and the nine guards will bide also at my
left, being kings in the inheritances of the Light.
"And the nine guards of the Treasury of the Light will be superior to the
saviours in the inheritances of the Light.Of their respective ranks in
the kingdom."And every one of the
saviours will rule over the orders of his
emanations in the inheritances of the Light as they did also in the Treasury
of the Light.
"And the nine guards of the Treasury of the Light will be superior to the
saviours in the inheritances of the Light. And the Twin-saviours will be
superior to the nine guards in the kingdom. And the three
Amēns will be
superior to the Twin-saviours in the kingdom. And the five Trees will be
superior to the three Amēns in the inheritances of the Light.
Of the powers of the Right, and their emanation and ascension
."And Yew and
the guard of the veil of the Great Light, and the receiver of Light and the
two great guides and the great Sabaōth, the Good, will be kings in the first
saviour of the first Voice of the Treasury of the Light, [the
saviour] who
will be in |193. the region of those who have received the first mystery of
the First Mystery. For in sooth Yew and the guard of the region of those of
the Right and Melchisedec, the great receiver of the Light, and the two
great guides have come forth out of the purified and utterly pure light of the
first Tree up to the fifth.
"Yew in sooth is the overseer of the Light, who hath come forth first out of
the pure light of the first Tree; on the other hand the guard of the veil of
those of the Right hath come forth out of the second Tree; and the two guides
again
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have come forth out of the pure and utterly purified light of the third and
fourth Trees of the Treasury of the Light; Melchisedec again hath come
forth out of the fifth Tree ; on the other hand
Sabaōth, the Good, whom I
have called my father, hath come forth out of Yew, the overseer of the Light.
Of the powers of the Midst and their ascension ."And the Virgin of Light
and the great guide of the Midst, whom the rulers of the
æons are wont to call
the Great Yew after the name of a great ruler who is in their region ,--he
and the Virgin of Light and his twelve ministers, from whom ye have received
your shape and from whom ye have received the power,
they all will be kings
with the first saviour of the first Voice in the region of the souls of those
who will receive the first mystery of the First Mystery in the inheritances of
the Light.
"And the fifteen helpers of the
seven virgins of the Light who
are in the Midst, they will expand themselves in the regions of the twelve
saviours,
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and the rest of the angels of the Midst, every one of them according to his
glory, will rule with me in the inheritances of the Light. And I shall rule
over them all in the inheritances of the Light.
But this shall not take place till the consummation of the
æon ."All
this then which I have said unto you, will not take place at this time,
but
it will take place at the consummation of the æon, that is at the ascension of
the universe; that is at the dissolution of the universe and at the total
ascension of the numbering |195. of the perfect souls of the inheritances
of the Light.
"Before the consummation, therefore, this which I have said unto you, will
not take place, but every one will be in his own region, into which he hath
been set from the beginning, until the numbering of the ingathering of
the perfect souls is completed.
"The seven Voices and the five Trees and the three
Amēns and the Twin-saviours
and the nine guards and the twelve saviours and those of the region of the
Right and those of the region of the Midst, [/B] , until the numbering of
the [B]perfect souls of the inheritances of the Light shall be raised up all
together.
"And also all the rulers who have repented, they also will abide in the
region into which they have been set, until the numbering of the souls of the
Light shall be raised up all together.
Of the ascension of the souls of the perfect."[The souls]
will all come,
every one at the time when he will receive the mysteries; and all the rulers
who have repented, will pass through and come into the region of the Midst.seals of their mysteries. And they will pass through those of all the
regions of the Midst, and they will pass through the region of the Right and
the interior of the region of the nine guards and the interior of the region
of the Twin-saviours and the interior of the region of the
And those of
the Midst will baptize them and give unto them the spiritual unction and seal
them with the
p. 165
three |196. Amens and of the twelve
saviours and the interior of the five
Trees and of the seven Voices. Every one
giveth unto them his seal of his
mystery, and they pass into the interior of them all and go to the region of
the inheritances of the Light; and every one bideth in the region up to which
he hath received mysteries in the inheritances of the Light.
Of the rank of the souls of the perfect."In a word, all the souls of men who
shall receive the mysteries of the Light, will precede all the rulers who have
repented, and they will precede all those of the region of the Midst and those
of the whole region of the Right, and they will precede those of the whole
region of the Treasury of the Light. In a word, they will precede all those
of the region [of the Treasury], and they will precede all those of the
regions of the first Commandment, and they will pass into the interior of them
all and go into the Inheritance of the Light up to the region of their
mystery; and every one abideth in the region up to which he hath received
mysteries. And those of the region of the Midst and of the Right and those of
the whole region of the Treasury, every one abideth in the region of the order
into which he hath been set from the beginning on, until the universe shall be
raised up. And every one of them accomplisheth his economy to which he hath
been set, in respect of the ingathering of the souls who
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have received the mysteries, in respect of this economy, so that they may seal
|197. all the souls who will receive the mysteries and who will pass through
their interior towards the Inheritance of the Light.
"Now, therefore, Mary, this is the word concerning which thou dost question me
with precision and certainty. For the rest now then, who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."
Incredible find I am so impressed and
everything seem reflected. Its all about this journey.
However, it seems quite different to the Bible but there may be many clues to
the end times in this book. I thought chapter 86 was totally interesting and
relevant to this journey.
Here are some more fragments in the book looking at the keyword mysteries.
quote:
"For this cause therefore, have I
said unto you aforetime: 'He who doth not abandon
father and mother and come and follow after me, is not worthy of me.' I have,
therefore,
said at that time : Ye are to abandon your parents the rulers,
that
I may make you sons of the First Mystery for ever."
Pistis Sophia includes quotes from
five of the Odes of Solomon, found in chapters between 58 and 71.
Pistis
Sophia was the only known source for the actual wording of any of the Odes
until the discovery of a nearly-complete Syriac text of the Odes in 1909.
Because the first part of this text is missing, Pistis Sophia is still the
only source for Ode 1.
There are 727 occurrences of the word "Mystery"
Sevens
posted
05-12-2008 05:12
Another interesting fragment.
quote:
"And he who shall receive in
sequence the twelfth mystery of the First Mystery, that is the
master-mystery concerning which I discourse with you,--|236. and he who,
therefore, shall receive those twelve mysteries which belong to the First
Mystery, if he goeth forth out of the world, will pass through all the
regions of the rulers and all the regions of the , being a great
light-stream, and he will moreover rule over all the regions of the twelve
saviours; but they will
not be able to be like unto those who receive the
one and only mystery of the Ineffable . But he who shall receive those
mysteries will abide in those orders, because they are exalted, and he will
abide in the orders of the twelve saviours."
and another piece
quote:
CHAPTER 71
It came to pass then, when the First Mystery had finished saying these words,
that
Matthew came forward and said: "I have understood the solution of the song
which Pistis
Sophia hath uttered. Now, therefore, give commandment unto me, that I speak it
in
openness."
And the First Mystery answered and said: "I give commandment unto thee,
Matthew, to
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set forth the interpretation of the song which Pistis Sophia hath uttered."
And Matthew answered and said: "Concerning the interpretation of the song
which Pistis
Sophia hath uttered, thus thy light-power prophesied aforetime thereon
through the Ode
Matthew interpreteth the song of Sophia from the Odes of Solomon. "
'1. He
who hath led me down
"'2. Who hath there taken those in the midst, he hath taught me concerning
them.
"'3. Who hath scattered my foes and my adversaries, he hath bestowed power on
me over
the bonds, to unloose them.
"'4. Who hath smitten the serpent with the seven heads with my hands, he hath
set me up
above its root, that I may extinguish its seed.
"'5. And thou wert with me, helping me; in all regions thy name surrounded me.
"'6. Thy right hand hath destroyed the venom of the slanderer; thy hand hath
cleared the
way for thy faithful.
"'7. Thou hast freed them out of the tombs and hast removed them from the
midst of the
corpses.
"'8. Thou hast taken dead bones and hast clothed them with a body and to them
who
stirred not, hast thou given the activity of life.
"'9. Thy way is become indestructibleness and thy face [also].
"'10. Thou hast led thy æon above decay, so that they all may be loosed and
renewed and
thy light become a foundation for them all.
"'11. Thou hast piled thy riches upon them and they have become a holy
dwelling-place.'
p. 132
"This then, my Lord, is the solution of the song which
Pistis Sophia hath
uttered.
"The word which thy power hath spoken through Solomon: 'Who hath led me down
out
of the higher regions which are above, he hath also led me up out of the
regions which
are in the bottom below,'--it is the |157. word which
Pistis Sophia hath
spoken: 'I sing
praises unto thee; through thy commandment hast thou led me down out of this
higher
æon which is above, and hast led me to the regions below. And again through
thy
commandment thou hast saved me and led me up out of the regions which are
below.'
"And moreover the word which thy power hath
spoken through Solomon: 'Who
hath
scattered my foes and my adversaries,'--it is the word which
Pistis Sophia
hath spoken:
'Thou hast scattered far from me all the emanations of Self-willed which
constrained me
and were hostile to me.'
Interesting about the identification
of the Odes of Solomon in the path of this journey and how the whole of the Odes
of Solomon is a reflection of this journey in my view as previously mentioned
and then to find the above Solomon and his relevance to the First Mystery which
would be about the first City Dalamatia City, the City of the First Epoch.
sevens
posted
05-12-2008 05:43 AM
And here is Chapter 98 of Jesus
explaining the mysteries which in my reflects the journey to the ancient places.
quote:
CHAPTER 98
Mary again questioneth Jesus. It came to pass, when Jesus had finished
speaking these words
unto his disciples, that Mary Magdalene came forward, kissed the feet of Jesus
and said
unto him: "My Lord, bear with me and be not wroth with me, if I question thee;
but have
mercy upon us, my Lord, and reveal unto us all things on which we shall
question thee.
Now, therefore, my Lord, how doth the First Mystery possess twelve mysteries,
[and] the
Ineffable possess a one and only mystery?"
Of the three mysteries and five mysteries. Jesus answered and said unto
her: "Indeed it
possesseth a one and only mystery, yet that mystery
constituteth three
mysteries, although
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it is the one and only mystery; but the type of every one of them is
different. And
moreover it constituteth five mysteries, although it is a one and only [one];
but the type of
every one is different.
So that these five mysteries are alike with one another in the mystery |237.
of the kingdom in the inheritances of the Light; but the type of each of them
is different.
And their kingdom is higher and more exalted than the whole kingdom of
the twelve mysteries together of the First Mystery; but they are not alike in
the kingdom [with the one and only mystery] of the First Mystery in the
Light-kingdom.
"In like manner also the three mysteries are not [?] alike in the
Light-kingdom; but the type of every one of them is different. And they
themselves also are not alike in the
kingdom with the one and only mystery of the First Mystery in the
Light-kingdom; and
the type of every one of the three of them, and the type of the configuration
of each of
them, is different from one another.
Of the first mystery. "The first [mystery of the First Mystery],--if thou
accomplishest its
mystery altogether and standest and
accomplishest it finely in all its
figures, then dost
thou come straightway out of thy body, become a great light-stream and pass
through all
the regions of the rulers and all the regions of the Light, while all are in
fear of that soul,
until it cometh to the region of its kingdom.
Of the second mystery. "The second mystery of the First Mystery, on the other
hand,--|238. if
thou accomplishest it finely in all its figures,--the man, therefore, who
shall accomplish
its mystery, if he speaketh that
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mystery over the head of any man who goeth forth out of the body, and he
speaketh it into his two ears, if indeed the man who
goeth forth out of the
body hath received mysteries for the second time and is sharing in the word of
truth,--amēn, I say unto you:
That man, if he goeth forth out of the body
of matter, then will his soul become a great light-stream "But if that man
hath received no mysteries and is not sharing in the words of truth, -- if
he who accomplisheth that mystery,
speaketh that mystery over the head of a
man who cometh forth out of the body and who hath received no mysteries of the
Light, and shareth not in the words of truth,--amēn,
I say unto you: That man, if he cometh forth out of the body, will be judged
in no region of the rulers, nor can he be chastized in any region at all, nor
will the fire touch him, because of the
great mystery of the Ineffable which is with him.
"And they will hasten quickly and hand him over one to another in turn and
lead him from region to region and |239. from order to order, until they bring
him before the Virgin of Light,
"And if they bring him before the Virgin of Light,
then the Virgin of Light
will see the
sign of the mystery of the kingdom of the Ineffable which is with him; the
Virgin of
Light marvelleth and
proveth him, but
suffereth them not to bring him to
the Light, until he accomplisheth the total
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citizenship of the light of that mystery, that is the purities of the
renunciation of the world
and also of the total matter therein. "The Virgin of Light
sealeth him with
a higher seal, which is this [ . . .? ], and
letteth him in that month
in which he hath come out of the body of matter, light down into a body which
will be righteous and find the godhead in truth and the higher mysteries, so
that he may inherit them and inherit the Light eternal, which is the gift of
the second mystery of the First Mystery of the Ineffable.
Of the third mystery. "The third mystery of that Ineffable on the other
hand,--the man indeed
who shall accomplish that mystery, not only if he [himself] cometh forth out
of the body, will he inherit the kingdom of the mystery, but if he complete
that mystery and accomplish it with |240. all its figures, that is if he go
through with that mystery and accomplish it finely and pronounce the name of
that mystery Of its efficacy. over a man who cometh forth out of the body and
hath known that mystery,--let the former have delayed
or rather not have delayed,--one who is in the dire chastisements of the
rulers and in their
dire judgments and their manifold fires,--amēn, I say unto you: The man who
hath come forth out of the body,--if the name of this mystery is pronounced on
his behalf, they will hasten quickly to bring him over and hand him over one
to another, until they bring him before the Virgin of Light. And the Virgin of
Light will seal him with a higher. seal, which is this [ . . .?], and in that
month will she let him light down into the righteous body which will find the
godhead in truth and the higher mystery, so that
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he inherit the Light-kingdom. This, therefore, is the gift of the third
mystery of the Ineffable.
That was fascinating and I am convinced its about this journey to the ancient
places and all the locations of the ages and the mysteries that surround
location.
This journey has the right construct that fulfills the above.
Sevens
posted
05-12-2008 06:00 AM
Another fragment
quote:
Of the mysteries of the three spaces
"He on the other hand who receiveth the one and only
mystery of the Ineffable, will inherit the region of the whole kingdom
according to its
whole glory, as I have already told you at another time.
And every one who
shall receive
the mystery which is in the space of the universe of the Ineffable, and all
the other
mysteries which are united in the Limbs of the Ineffable, concerning which I
have not yet
spoken unto you, and concerning their expansion and the manner of their
setting-up and
the type of every one, how it is and wherefor it is named the Ineffable or
wherefor it
standeth expanded with all its
CHAPTER 135
Mary answered and said unto the Saviour: "My Lord, before thou didst come to
the region of the rulers and before thou didst come down into the world, hath
no soul entered into the Light?"
No soul had entered into the Light before the coming of the First Mystery.
The Saviour answered and said unto Mary: "Amēn,
amēn, I say unto you Before
I did come into the world, no soul hath entered into the Light. And now,
therefore, when I am come, I have opened the gates of the Light and opened the
ways which lead to the Light. And now, therefore, let him who shall do what is
worthy of the mysteries, receive the mysteries and enter into the Light."
and this
quote:
Of the prophets. The Saviour
continued and said unto Mary: "Amēn,
amēn, I say unto you: No prophet hath
entered into the Light; but the rulers of the æons have discoursed with them
out of the æons and given them the mystery of the
æons. And when I came to
the regions of the æons, I have turned Elias and sent him into the body of
John the Baptizer, and the rest also I turned into righteous bodies,
which
will find the mysteries |356. of the Light, go on high and inherit the
Light-kingdom.
Incredible find and all
consistant
another
quote:
Of the functions of Zeus, the chief
regent. "And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world
and the æons of the sphere, so that they might not wreck it [the world] in
their wickedness. He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the
little Sabaōth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he
is a good [regent], so that he may steer them in his goodness.
And he set
thus established the circling of his order, |362. that he should spend
thirteen [? three] months in every æon
Is this fragment of the above a
reflection to Sevens maybe, in this journey to the ancient places, the little
Sevens or little Saboath.
However Sabaoth means
Hosts.
The Lord of Sabaoth was a title of Jehovah; the hosts were the armies of Israel.
And Sabboth is a Seven.
And note: " And he set thus established the circling of his order" The symbol
that connect all the places are the co planar circles and the triangle/circle
symbol and the Melchizedek symbol, the concentric circles are attached. Its a
match.
quote:
He went into the Midst, drew forth a
power out of the little
Sabaōth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound
it to Zeus, because he is a good [regent],
and this reflects the time period
generally between the discovery of each place in the mystery of the former ages
and Epochs, every place is a mystery unto itself in the great mystery. Each
place is different but yet linked to each other in symbolism.
All makes sense the whole book regarding the last mystery.
In the legend of
the Sabaoth
Seven, a young Sabaoth quested in the Nether Realms in order to prove himself,
and faced seven demons, each of whom was a combination of
Eeee and some dumb
beast indigenous to the lands of Ashdod.
Im sure
Saboath in this case of the
journey to the ancient places points to Sevens.
Just as the "Lord God of
Sabaoth"
would stand for the "Lord God of the Seven" (
Sabaoth means "seven"
); and as Adonai was also used to designate the whole ...
Well I dont know if any one spends the
time to research this thread of truth.
But I feel the mystery is coming to an very interesting junction as I am finding
great confirmation in the journey.
Everyone has to make up there mind I but in the above posts was just a quick
glance at the scripture but what I have found contains everything and confirms
all the various posts and what was written in the beforehand using the fragments
of the books in parallel to the journey to the first places.
There is no other thing like this journey on the planet and a journey like this
cannot be replicated or created by man.
It is very important that we go and verify Dalamatia City ASAP and all rulers be
it government or religion should be aware and come on the journey! and test out
the truth of the matter plus I think the journey would be revitalizing and very
exciting and should uplift man and bring about brotherhood.
But it has to go through verification.
The above information confirming this
journey would have to be one of the biggest confirmations and just imagine this
mystery was hidden in the sands of Egypt until now with understanding being on
the actual journey of the Seventh Mystery. Self realizing on the run through
discovery in the moment and broadcast worldwide through the net.
Me personally, I praise the Father in
the Kingdom of Heaven/Paradise for leading me on this great journey.
If you average the 5 places where
Discovery of Atlantis began in 2003 with the book when a year later it was
Discovered to now. Its is close to 5 years where and close to an average of 13
months. Equally spaced, equally spaced in the discovery has occurred to me
before and I even have diagram of the equally spaced discoveries.
Even some of those texts in the image
I used while building the image is found in the above book. However my last
input to the image was last October where I did have some expectation but I can
see now there was more to discover.
Incredible find! Im sure we are in the last days of the Seventh Mystery!
Sevens
posted
05-13-2008 03:18 AM
I reckon the light wave is the truth or the
stream of truth.
I am to puzzled by the repetitiveness to, the mystery was probably very
important including consummation.
Well the only mystery I can think of is about all the ancient places and each
place has its own truth which in a way is like a mystery in the story...I
suppose! But there is the Master mystery which encompasses all of the mysteries
which are connected to each other in truth and seen in the symbols. They would
have to form a oneness in truth and in verification.
Unless there is more to reveal! I think the Seventh mystery points to the lost
cities and the journey where there is a mystery of being seen in beforehand and
documented and found written in the books at a later time down the track.
This occurred again in finding this book.
Its the Father setting up for total and complete success in the journey. He is
setting us up through a mystery of the journey by him leading us through the
books and documenting, it only to find it written about in a book never seen
before.
I think its the most positive and loving set up ever!
see what happens eh! but I do have all faith!
I reckon the Seventh mystery has to be revelatory and would have reveal all that
is hidden which does in this case of the ancient cities in ancient times past.
Sevens
posted
05-13-2008 03:46 AM
Hey Wireless
I was looking at this fragment
quote:
Of the functions of Zeus, the chief
regent. "And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world
and the æons of the sphere,
so that they might not wreck it [the world]
in their wickedness. He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the
little Sabaoth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he
is a good [regent], so that he may steer them in his goodness. And he set thus
established the circling of his order, |362. that he should spend thirteen [?
three] months in every æon.
I had to have laugh at this one
quote:
needed a helm to steer the world and
the æons of the sphere,
so that they might not wreck it [the world] in
their wickedness.
so that they might not wreck it
the planet I reckon. Well that's so true because we are on the verge of simply
wrecking this planet!
I must say I have had flashes on the
image of Jesus pointing the way to the helmsman.
I even used the image in metaphor of this journey
in a letter to the Catholic church only to find it mentioned in the
PISTIS SOPHIA just found. When I read that I immediately thought of the
image.
Sevens
Hey Wireless
I was looking at this fragment
quote:
Of the functions of Zeus, the chief
regent. "And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world
and the æons of the sphere,
so that they might not wreck it [the world]
in their wickedness. He went into the Midst, drew forth a power out of the
little Sabaoth , the Good, him of the Midst, and bound it to Zeus, because he
is a good [regent], so that he may steer them in his goodness. And he set thus
established the circling of his order, |362. that he should spend thirteen [?
three] months in every æon.
I had to have laugh at this one
quote:
needed a helm to steer the world and
the æons of the sphere,
so that they might not wreck it [the world] in
their wickedness.
so that they might not wreck it
the planet I reckon. Well thats so true because we are on the verge of simply
wrecking this planet!
"needed a helm to steer the world and the
æons of the sphere" I even used
the image in metaphor of this journey in a letter to the Catholic church only to
find it mentioned in the PISTIS SOPHIA just found. When I read that I
immediately thought of the image.
""And moreover he perceived that they needed a helm to steer the world and the
æons of the sphere," I believe this to be the case in that the whole Aeon is
behind this journey to the places!
It was a good thing to document everything on the run as a living record in a
living journey. It was the right thing to do, to bound it to the Father in
heaven and honoring the Father, Jesus and the whole crew during the journey and
to reflect the teamwork where we all have our role in the path. This path I
believe was the right path for the journey to the great mystery and it came
forth naturally.
Sevens
posted
05-13-2008 05:03 AM
Yeah why cant Atlantis be on Mars
ahahaha Give one good reason why not eh!
Also Georgeous hasn't proven a single except that his finds belong to known
history and Stonehenge and including the stone anomalies in Southern Spain and
Spain is reflective of the latter stone age culture, the circular temples and
stone monuments being areas of Moon or Sun worship.
Really speaking its all about religion.
Prove me wrong on this point!
Im really happy of Georgeous as he is proving this but I dont agree with his
notions of Spain as Atlantis.
About 1stEden, there has been 2 expeditions and the stone wall as written about
has been located and verified. Mind you the source information was the Urantia
Book everything associated came later. All we have to do is prove the anomalies
as seen in the first expedition and the 3 co planar circles as best as possible
and that will mean a third expedition.
Dalamatia City also comes from the Urantia Book and we have to go there and
verify it.
Lets go out there and prove the city as seen in worldwind.
If I prove Dalamatia City through an expedition then The Urantia Book is an
authentic document with facts that can be proven as we have done already and
will continue to do so.
by the way I have ask if Georgeous
could post one image and never does. Even one image on Jean and the anomalies
and never.
What's wrong with that eh! what's your excuse for that.
he mustn't have any.
sevens
posted
05-13-2008 05:52 AM
I feel that the following fragment
from the PISTIS SOPHIA is a direct reference to Dalamatia, the first City. Where
the first default occured by a majority of the Sons of God and
indentifying the
Seventh Mystery.
quote:
"And that mystery
knoweth
wherefor
the first Commandment hath rent itself asunder
and wherefor it hath
divided itself into the seven mysteries and
wherefor it is named the
first Commandment and wherefor it hath come forth from the Fatherless.
I believe this is the fragment
pointing to Dalamatia City "And that mystery
knoweth
wherefor the first
Commandment hath rent itself asunder"
From that time forth the Seventh Mystery was created following the path to
various coties along the journey guided by a new book from
Heaven."wherefor
it hath divided itself into the seven mysteries"
I believe that the Seventh Mystery is this: "wherefor it is named the first
Commandment and wherefor it hath come forth from the Fatherless" Essentially
its the journey identifying where the first city is and where the first default
occurred and from there we follow the path of the Seventh mystery to the other
cites including there story.
"'13. And his soul will abide in the
regions of the Light and his power will inherit |79. the Treasury of the
Light.
"'14. The Light giveth power to them who
p. 66
have faith in it; and the name of its mystery belongeth to those who trust in
it. And it will
show them the region of the Inheritance, which is in the Treasury of the
Light.
the above reflects the process of the
journey.
I tend to respond when I see The
beginning and the end.
quote:
It came to pass then, when Jesus had
heard his. mother Mary say these words, that he said unto her: "Well said,
finely. Amēn,
amēn, I say unto thee:
They shall proclaim thee blessed from
one end of the earth to the other; for the pledge of the First Mystery hath
taken up its abode with thee, and through that pledge shall all from the
earth and all from the height be saved, and
that pledge is the
beginning and the end."
There was a big message in that.
The places I believe are the beginning and the end.
and this again from the Beginning, the
first places totally matches this scenario.
and with another reference to the
mystery from the beginning again another verification towards the city.
quote:
CHAPTER 60
The commandment of the First Mystery is fulfilled for taking Sophia entirely
out of the chaos. And Jesus
continued again in the discourse and said unto his disciples: "It came to pass
when Pistis
Sophia had uttered the thirteenth repentance,--in that hour was fulfilled the
commandment of all the tribulations which were de-creed for
Pistis Sophia
for the fulfilment of the First Mystery, which was from the beginning,
and the time had come to save her out of the chaos and lead her out from all
the darknesses. For her repentance was accepted from her through the First
Mystery; and that mystery sent me a great lightpower out of the height, that I
might help Pistis Sophia |118. and lead her up out of the chaos.
The First
Mystery and Jesus sent forth two light-powers to help Sophia.
So I looked towards the
æons into the height and saw that
light-power which the First Mystery had sent me, that I might save
Pistis
Sophia out of the chaos. It came to pass, therefore, when
I had seen it,
coming forth from the æons and hastening down to me,--I was above
again reflections
Sevens
posted
05-13-2008 02:26 PM
At the end of the day we all have our
experience in what we see.
In my journey and experience I see a mystery spread over the books.
One way to find is to go to the cities. If its there and harmonizes then it must
be true, the city and the journey
Let the proof, if its there speak for itself.
That's all I say this in light of all thoughts and ideas.
Lets just prove the bloody matter rather than just ideas and thoughts. Whilst we
have thoughts we still have to prove the matter until then its theory and talk
and that includes your ideas to.
Prove it and prove there is no mystery and proof so that a simple guy on the
street can understand. There is no answer if no one understands in simple terms
like you read and see.
I mean this book talks about mystery and you deny it, I mean come on man. There
talking about some mystery, well what is the mystery without denial or using
something that is beyond mans understanding and comprehension. It means nothing
to man if he cant understand any mystery let alone a theory.
Wireless I would rate you the top 5% in intelligence of the world but that means
the 95% wont understand you.
Im quite happy for anyone to prove my research wrong so I say this, lets just
simply go to the location of Dalamatia City and just prove it.
Its either wrong or right! one or the other!
Its just as simple as this. Dalamatia City and all the information in the
Urantia Book and cross check with what's there.
That's it, simple, so a simple man can see it and understand a simple construct.
By the way, Ive been wrong about a few
things and been quite willing to alter a thought or perception.
No one is beyond being in error and if mans denies that, then he is simply pride
filled and is setting himself up before a fall. Even worse is when intelligent
man runs from the simple facts.
Gee even the greatest scientists of
the world know and say that there ideas are still in theory form and has yet to
proven in completion. There still searching and attempting to demonstrate the
truth of there theories. Which is fine but they even admit they are wrong when
they see it in light of data and experiment.
What really surprises me that you say I am never wrong. What sort of comment is
that when I know that we can all be wrong and simple man admits that to. How can
anyone learn if they think they are right all the time and yet have not
demonstrated that in the evidence.
sevens
posted
05-13-2008 03:13 PM
Georgeous
I went your link, thank you and had a look at jean
I was hoping for some actual pictures
of the site and the rings you are speaking about.
Anyway, what I say is that you may have found evidence of a latter stone age
period that existed in Spain and Southern France and the anomalies you have
claimed to have discovered, claiming Atlantis is really reflective of this
latter stone age in Spain at the time in the circles.
Plus the timeline of Atlantis that you are working on I believe is wrong as the
land of Gods go back much further to the first places.
What Im saying, by me asserting this provides the opportunity for you to prove
me wrong because until Im proven wrong on this point I must be right and if your
theory is to be unbreakable it will have to go through this test of truth.
You will have to prove that I am wrong until then your theory is breakable.
Until then all your doing is proving The Urantia Book in its information about
this time period. So in actual fact its your theory against the thoughts of the
Universal Government! Prove the Universal Government wrong.
Im sure they invite you to do so because one day you will be doing a public
presentation on this and someone from the audience will present this point to
you and what are you going to say! How are you going to overcome this with
satisfaction in the reply and in the evidence.
Also another point is that scientist say that Cardiz was inhabited around from
900BC according to the soil strata. From what I read your timeline is 1350BC
around that time. Cardiz wasn't around and the evidence seems to suggest that
when Cardiz was created it was only a outpost until it evolved into a city, like
all cities of this planet.
Then you say, I have manmade evidence of the coast under 41 meters deep which
reflects a time to around 9000 years ago which is around the middle/latter stone
age period. If there is manmade anomalies it would seem to suggest an earlier
culture and it would have to road signs saying Atlantis because until that can
be established its just another latter stone age city victim of sea level rise.
There is already documented script, oldest script in the world that come from
Dilmun near the Persian heads that predates any evidence that you can come up
with and with common symbols to that of today. Plus that time and age is fully
documented by the Urantia book that pieces all this together as found in the
evidence already.
All things you have to overcome using the scientific method proving the theory
to establish Cardiz as Atlantis.
Hey Mike1234 all Ive got to say to you is
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
sevens
posted
05-13-2008 03:52 PMAnyway
man was around before a computer which is only an application and not the source
truth.
Oh hail computer, glory to the
computer ahahahahahahahahahahahahah
sevens
posted
05-13-2008 05:18 PM
Anyway wireless, I see great beauty in
Binary code and its reflected in the design of Nature itself and considering
that our world (species) is of the decimal construct which makes binary very
close in our basic design. But who created binary code as seen in Nature, that's
who Im interested in, the programmer, the creator of such complex over layering systems using
the simple binary code.
Aren't we only discovering and
recreating what has already been established in design and in awe of it.
In this application aren't we really mirroring the creativity of the creator
through Binary as we write code in any event but then I say what is motive in
our pursuits, what is the truth and purpose of the programmer?? That is the
question? as based upon the spiritual standards of the almighty programmer??
Sevens
posted
05-14-2008 04:16 PM
No problem
Oh well that's the way it goes, a front we both face despite our views.
But I believe I have something that could change their minds but it would have
to be verified through an expedition to see if the worldwind software images of
the triangle city exists. If verified that would involve the Urantia Book and no
scientist could run way from that.
Maybe the focus should be which Atlantis presentation after full testing can
change the minds of a scientist who does not believe that an Atlantis existed.
If that could be proven in the beforehand with a record and be then verified
that would prove the case.
Something like that would better than debating who has the right Atlantis!
Like a contest in proving to the atheist and which presentation can be verified
to the fullest degree.
The best presentation wins if that could be achieved.
Sevens
Re:
Hezbollah sparks a war in Lebannon Thu May 15, 2008 11:18 am
I really sympathize and I feel for the people of
Israel. I wonder if the Islamic states are deceived by the last rebel, it
seems to have all the characteristics. Death and destruction in its
promulgation. Its the spirit of the words that exposes the last rebel, the
master of division and war.
Anyway, I also believe that Jesus is with us and is the ultimate guide in the
situation and I believe he provides a full proof plan for us all. I have great
faith that Jesus will provide truth in the correction.
But I can understand how you feel, I feel it to. But this might be part of the
sign. I believe as we progress further in discovering the consummation of
truth, the more this kind of thing will arise, in parallel.
This is the time for faith isn't it? in our friend and Saviour Jesus. Right on
Jesus!
One thing I know in my personal journey is that Jesus and the Father will
never let a friend down. They will stand by a friend. Even if a nation gave
themselves over to Jesus in reaching out to him for help, Jesus will protect
his friends as he never lets a friend down.
In regards for Israel, Jesus is the Messiah of Israel and so is Melchizedek,
together there working on the final consummation. I reckon, if Israel in there
hearts of hearts, individually and private reached out to Jesus and
Melchizedek for help and to deliver Israel from the people who want to destroy
her. The Messiahs will respond but there response will be final. I believe
their deliverance will end all war through the demonstration.
See what happens eh!
Sevens
posted
05-15-2008 01:30 PM
Hey Mike1234
ahahah
I think those pics was fascinating,
Also Plato did use another language, different to the original language
apparently/maybe Atlantis was called something else?? A different word.
Anyway, all Im doing is going by
is what a book says of which speaks of a circular courtyard that contained the
tree of life in the middle of the city.
I believe I have found the location of the first city where the Book refers to
and where it gives you directions. The city has circular looking formations in
the middle of the city where the books says it exists. By the books description
of the city you can deduce its a triangle city, and that it lays near the
Persian heads.
I figure that Atlantis was the land of the Gods and refers to immortality.
Nothing different to this city so by that description I figure Dalamatia City is
the the Atlantis, the first and original.
All Im going by is through the UB and through other reflections I feel exist in
other books.
Really speaking Im just testing this
book in its words and I think Im coming up with real results, Fair dinkum! no
worries mate! kick goals! ahahaha
All it needs now is verification.
Really speaking Im just testing this book in its
words and I think Im coming up with real results.
I think those pics were nice, where do they come from..Greece? and through what
period? Where they circular roofless temples ahaha or just homes?
I suppose in those days every place had its
little temple to work out the seasons associated with the Gods.
All the best Mike 1234 ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Sevens
posted
05-15-2008 02:08 PM
Mind you Mike1234
If we lifted up the Seven commands inscribed on Stone Slabs with the Seven
commands and verified everything in the journey. Do you realize how massive that
would be? and what implications it has??
huge!!
Mind you Mike1234 just by the Urantia revealing to us that the Seven command
tablets lay of the coast of Persia and Mesopotamia, in the present clearly
points to the cities that I discovered in the worldwind software using the book.
That is a clear match to the locations presently. This can relate to the 3
cities 1Susa, Dilmun/Babel and Dalamatia City of the coast of Persia and
Mesopotamia.
That would mean confirmation and entry
or a platform of the Universal Fathers to reveal themselves ...maybe!! and that
would mean they would be happy with the report!
And out of the Seven commands of old,
comes a new covenant of man and the Father for a new future destiny for this
planet! with a new book that completes all the books relevant! That would
complete my record of the journey and would be the glue that ties in and brings
in all the pieces of the puzzle that was created after the downfall of Dalamatia
City. The great Endtime puzzle of mankind and his destiny!
And the guy who discovered the first
city where all our problems came from, in the first instance also completed the
greatest mystery known to man and assisted the Universal Fathers, in the record,
in the uplift and realisation of man and God to a new level on the paths set out
by Jesus, ultimately! That mystery would be the Seventh or the Sevenfold mystery
which relates directly to the Ancients of Days.
That would be the Seventh Mystery of
the Seven churches of the Seven Angels of the Seven Stars in Revelations.
However, everything has to be
completed according to my recent find confirming this journey. But then I would
have to go there out prove my record but with the current tensions out there and
the sensitivity of this journey. Would the military have to be involved to
verify?
Would the will of the USA have to arise in the verification of Dalamatia City
knowing how things are with Iran and yet knowing this of vital interest for the
USA in determining the truth of the matter and which may have implications? In
my opinion anyway!
I mean to say, the gates of the path
to the cities are layed wide open in truth. They are open to people to explore
and become part of an exciting journey of mystery in truth with nothing to fear
from what I can see so far! and it part of the path of the tree of life and its
journey past and of today and of the future!
line 144: And this youth,
Fortune, subsequently became
the leader of the Christians in Crete and the close associate of Titus in his
labors for the uplift of the Cretan believers.
Hi here is a link from
a friend and brother of mine who sent me this link.
He thought I would be
interested in and on first glance I find many parallels already..
I have never seen this
book before and quite happy to have a look at it. I did a Messiah keyword
scan of the document and in the following are fragments that in type, if find
reflect characteristics of the Messiah in this journey to the ancient places, .
Jesus passes
the third brotherhood test, and receives the third degree, FAITH.
THE Logos waited seven days, and then was taken to the Hall of Fame, a
chamber rich in furnishings, and lighted up with gold and silver lamps.
2) The colors of its ceilings, decorations, furnishings and walls were blue and
gold.
3) Its shelves were filled with books of master minds; the paintings and the
statues were the works of highest art.
4) And Jesus was entranced with all this elegance and these manifests of
thought. He read the sacred books, and sought the meanings of the symbols and
the hieroglyphs.
50 And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and said,
6) Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are
highly blest. Few men of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame. 7) Now, if you do not waste your life in search for
hidden things that men can never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of
thought that will insure you endless fame;
8) For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings
please the common people more than those of Socrates.
9) Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk
with men, and think with men, and they will honor you.
10) And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah hopes
but base illusions of the hour.
11) I would advise you to renounce uncertain things and choose the course that
leads to certain fame.
and
15) And Jesus said, There is no loyal Jew who would not give his life
to save this temple from disgrace; in this I acted simply as a loyal Jew, and
you yourselves will bear me witness to this truth. 16) The signs of my
messiahship will follow me in
words and deeds. 17) And you may tear the temple down (and you will
tear it down) and in three days it will be built again more glorious than
before.
and
21) And then they took the scourge with which he drove the merchants out,
and would have driven him away; but Philo, who had come from Egypt to attend the
feast, stood forth and said, 22) You men of Israel, hear! This man is more than
man; take heed to what you do. I have, myself, heard Jesus speak, and all the
winds were still.
23) And I have seen him touch the sick, and they were healed. He stands a sage
above the sages of the world;
24) And you will see his star arise, and it will grow until it is the full-orbed
Sun of Righteousness.
25) Do not be hasty, men; just wait and you will have the proofs of his
messiahship. 26) And then the priests laid down the scourge, and Jesus said, 27) Prepare, O Israel, prepare to meet your king!
But you can never see the king while you press sin as such a precious idol to
your hearts.
28) The king is God; the pure in heart alone can see the face of God and live.
and
15) A lawyer came and asked, What does messiah mean? and who has right to make
messiah of a man? 16) And Jesus said, Messiah is one sent from God to seek and save the
lost. Messiahs are not made by men.
17) In first of every age Messiah comes to light the way; to heal up broken
hearts; to set the prisoners free. Messiah and the Christ are one.
18) Because a man claims to be Christ is not a sign that he is Christ.
19) A man may cause the streams to flow from flinty rocks; may bring storms at
will; may stay tempestuous winds; may heal the sick and raise the dead, and not
be sent from God.
20) All nature is subservient to the will of man, and evil men, as well as good,
have all the powers of mind, and may control the elements.
21) The head gives not the proof of true messiahship, for man by means of
intellect, can never know of God, nor bring himself to walk in light.
22) Messiah lives not in the head, but in the heart, the seat of mercy and of
love.
23) Messiah never works for selfish gains; he stands above the carnal self; his
words and deeds are for the universal good.
24) Messiah never tries to be a king, to wear a crown and sit upon an earthly
throne.
25) The king is earthy, of the earth; Messiah is the man from heaven.
26) And then the lawyer asked, Why do you pose as king? 27) And Jesus said, No man has ever heard me say that I am king. I
could not sit in Caesar's place and be the Christ.
28) Give unto Caesar what belongs to him; give unto God the treasures of your
heart.
and
here is a beautiful one
24) The woman asked, Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to
pray, and that they should not worship in our holy mount? 25) And Jesus said, What you have said, I do not say. One place is just
as sacred as another place.
26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the heart;
for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that he is
not in every heart.
27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth. 28) The woman said, We know that when Messiah comes that he will lead us
in the ways of truth. 29 And Jesus said, Behold the Christ has come; Messiah speaks to you.
and
NOW, on the last day of the feast when multitudes were in the courtways,
Jesus said, 2) Whoever is athirst may come to me and drink.
3) He who believes in me and in the Christ whom God had sent, may drink the cup
of life, and from his inner parts shall streams of living waters flow.
4) The Holy Breath will over-shadow him, and he will breathe the Breath, and
speak the words, and live the life. 5) The people were divided in their views concerning him. Some said, This man is prophet of the living God. 6) And others said, He is Messiah whom our prophets said would come. 7) And others said, He cannot be the Christ, for he came down from
Galilee; the Christ must come from Bethlehem where David lived.
and
3) A scribe approaching Jesus said, Rabboni, why do you keep the people waiting in
suspense? If you are the Messiah that the prophets said would come, will you not
tell us now? 4) And Jesus said, Lo, I have told you many times, but you believed me
not.
5) No man can do the work that I have done and bring to men the truth as I have
brought the truth who did not come from God.
6) What I have done and said are witnesses for me.
7) God calls, and they whose ears have been attuned to hear the heavenly voice
have heard the call and have believed in me; because God testifies for me.
8) You cannot hear the voice of God, because your ears are closed. You cannot
comprehend the works of God, because your hearts are full of self.
9) And you are busybodies, mischief-makers, hypocrites. You take these men whom
God has given me into your haunts and try to poison them with sophistries and
lies, and think that you will snatch them from the fold of God.
10) I tell you, men, these men are tried and you can snatch not one of them
away.
11) My Father who has given them to me is greater than you all, and he and I are
one.
and
3) A pious Jew named Simeon was in the temple serving God.
4) From early youth he had been looking for Immanuel to come, and he had prayed
to God that he might not depart until his eyes had seen Messiah in the flesh.
5) And when he saw the infant Jesus he rejoiced and said,
and
9) And when she saw the infant Jesus she exclaimed, Behold Immanuel! Behold the signet cross of the
Messiah on his brow!
10) And then the woman knelt to worship him, as God with us, Immanuel; but one,
a master, clothed in white, appeared and said,
and
What have the Jewish prophets said concerning
such a one? 11) The Jewish masters answered him and said, The prophets long ago foretold that one would come to
rule the tribes of Israel; that this Messiah would be born in Bethlehem. 12) They said, The prophet Micah wrote, O Bethlehem Judea, a little place among the Judean
hills, yet out of you will one come forth to rule my people, Israel; yea, one
who lived in olden times, in very ancient days
and
9) The sages of the ages call you harbinger. The
prophets look to you and say, He is Elijah come again.
10) Your mission here is that of harbinger; for you will go before Messiah's
face to pave his way, and make the people ready to receive their king.
11) This readiness is purity of heart; none but the pure in heart can recognize
the king.
By proxy of the Aquarian Gospel this is what the Universal Government of
Paradise have to say on our current debate and arguments on Plato which includes
Atlantis and including Socrates.
quote:
CHAPTER 50 50 And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and
said,
6)Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are highly blest. Few men
of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame.
7) Now, if you do not waste your life in search for
hidden things that men can never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of
thought that will insure you endless fame;
8) For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings
please the common people more than those of Socrates.
9) Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk
with men, and think with men, and they will honor you.
10) And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah
hopes but base illusions of the hour.
11) I would advise you to renounce uncertain things
and choose the course that leads to certain fame.
In other
woirds
we should get act on the things we can comprehend in the paths layed out that
can br proven. Really, all this debate is
usless if people cannot find
conclusion and evidence.
Hi here is a link from a friend and brother of mine who sent me this link.
He thought I would be interested in and on first glance I find many parallels
already. I have never seen this book before and quite happy to have a look at
it. I did a Messiah keyword scan of the document and in the following are
fragments that in type, if find reflect characteristics of the Messiah and
reflections in the journey to the ancient places. Again focalising on the
ancient places and seeing if there are reflections in the highlights
CHAPTER 50
Jesus passes the third brotherhood test, and receives the third degree, FAITH.
THE Logos waited seven days, and then was taken to the Hall of Fame, a chamber
rich in furnishings, and lighted up with gold and silver lamps.
2) The colors of its ceilings, decorations, furnishings and walls were blue
and gold. 3) Its shelves were filled with books of master minds; the paintings and
the statues were the works of highest art.
4) And Jesus was entranced with all this elegance and these manifests of
thought. He read the sacred books, and sought the meanings of the symbols and
the hieroglyphs.
50 And when he was absorbed in deepest thought, a priest approached and said,
6) Behold the glory of this place: my brother, you are highly blest. Few men
of earth, so young, have reached such heights of fame.
7) Now, if you do not waste your life in search for hidden things that men can
never comprehend, you may be founder of a school of thought that will insure
you endless fame;
8) For your philosophy is deeper far than that of Plato, and your teachings
please the common people more than those of Socrates.
9) Why seek for mystic light within these antiquated dens? Go forth and walk
with men, and think with men, and they will honor you.
10) And, after all, these weird initiations may be myths, and your Messiah
hopes but base illusions of the hour.
11) I would advise you to renounce uncertain things and choose the course that
leads to certain fame.
and
15) And Jesus said,
There is no loyal Jew who would not give his life to save this temple from
disgrace; in this I acted simply as a loyal Jew, and you yourselves will
bear me witness to this truth.
16) The signs of my messiahship will follow me in words and deeds.
17) And you may tear the temple down (and you will tear it down) and in three
days it will be built again more glorious than before.
and
21) And then they took the scourge with which he drove the merchants out, and
would have driven him away; but Philo, who had come from Egypt to attend the
feast, stood forth and said,
22) You men of Israel, hear! This man is more than man; take heed to what you
do. I have, myself, heard Jesus speak, and all the winds were still.
23) And I have seen him touch the sick, and they were healed.
He stands a
sage above the sages of the world;
24) And you will see his star arise, and it will grow until it is the
full-orbed Sun of Righteousness.
25) Do not be hasty, men; just wait and you will have the proofs of his
messiahship.
26) And then the priests laid down the scourge, and Jesus said, 27) Prepare, O Israel, prepare to meet your king! But you can never see the
king while you press sin as such a precious idol to your hearts.
28) The king is God; the pure in heart alone can see the face of God and live.
and
15) A lawyer came and asked, What does messiah mean? and who has right to make messiah of a man?
16) And Jesus said,
Messiah is one sent from God to seek and save the lost. Messiahs are not made
by men.
17) In first of every age Messiah comes to light the way; to heal up broken
hearts; to set the prisoners free. Messiah and the Christ are one.
18) Because a man claims to be Christ is not a sign that he is Christ.
19) A man may cause the streams to flow from flinty rocks; may bring storms at
will; may stay tempestuous winds; may heal the sick and raise the dead, and
not be sent from God.
20) All nature is subservient to the will of man, and evil men, as well as
good, have all the powers of mind, and may control the elements. 21) The head gives not the proof of true
messiahship, for man by means of
intellect, can never know of God, nor bring himself to walk in light.
22) Messiah lives not in the head, but in the heart, the seat of mercy and of
love.
23) Messiah never works for selfish gains; he stands above the carnal self;
his words and deeds are for the universal good.
24) Messiah never tries to be a king, to wear a crown and sit upon an earthly
throne.
25) The king is earthy, of the earth; Messiah is the man from heaven.
26) And then the lawyer asked,
Why do you pose as king?
27) And Jesus said,
No man has ever heard me say that I am king. I could not sit in Caesar's place
and be the Christ.
28) Give unto Caesar what belongs to him; give unto God the treasures of your
heart.
and
here is a beautiful one
24) The woman asked,
Why do you say that only in Jerusalem man ought to pray, and that they should
not worship in our holy mount?
25) And Jesus said, What you have said, I do not say. One place is just as sacred as another
place.
26) The hour has come when men must worship God within the temple of the
heart; for God is not within Jerusalem, nor in your holy mount in any way that
he is not in every heart.
27) Our God is Spirit; they who worship him must worship him in spirit and in
truth.
28) The woman said,
We know that when Messiah comes that he will lead us in the ways of truth.
29 And Jesus said,
Behold the Christ has come; Messiah speaks to you.
and
NOW, on the last day of the feast when multitudes were in the
courtways,
Jesus said, 2) Whoever is athirst may come to me and drink.
3) He who believes in me and in the Christ whom God had sent, may drink the
cup of life, and from his inner parts shall streams of living waters flow.
4) The Holy Breath will over-shadow him, and he will breathe the Breath, and
speak the words, and live the life.
5) The people were divided in their views concerning him. Some said,
This man is prophet of the living God.
6) And others said,
He is Messiah whom our prophets said would come.
7) And others said,
He cannot be the Christ, for he came down from Galilee; the Christ must come
from Bethlehem where David lived.
and
3) A scribe approaching Jesus said,
Rabboni, why do you keep the people waiting in suspense? If you are the
Messiah that the prophets said would come, will you not tell us now?
4) And Jesus said, Lo, I have told you many times, but you believed me not.
5) No man can do the work that I have done and bring to men the truth as I
have brought the truth who did not come from God.
6) What I have done and said are witnesses for me.
7) God calls, and they whose ears have been attuned to hear the heavenly voice
have heard the call and have believed in me; because God testifies for me.
8) You cannot hear the voice of God, because your ears are closed. You cannot
comprehend the works of God, because your hearts are full of self.
9) And you are busybodies, mischief-makers, hypocrites. You take these men
whom God has given me into your haunts and try to poison them with sophistries
and lies, and think that you will snatch them from the fold of God.
10) I tell you, men, these men are tried and you can snatch not one of them
away.
11) My Father who has given them to me is greater than you all, and he and I
are one.
and
3) A pious Jew named Simeon was in the temple serving God. 4) From early youth he had been looking for Immanuel to come, and he had
prayed to God that he might not depart until his eyes had seen Messiah in the
flesh.
5) And when he saw the infant Jesus he rejoiced and said,
and
9) And when she saw the infant Jesus she exclaimed, Behold Immanuel! Behold the signet cross of the Messiah on his brow!
10) And then the woman knelt to worship him, as God with us, Immanuel; but
one, a master, clothed in white, appeared and said,
and
What have the Jewish prophets said concerning such a one?
11) The Jewish masters answered him and said, The prophets long ago foretold that one would come to rule the tribes of
Israel; that this Messiah would be born in Bethlehem.
12) They said,
The prophet Micah wrote,
O Bethlehem Judea, a little place among the Judean hills, yet out of you will
one come forth to rule my people, Israel; yea, one who lived in olden times,
in very ancient days
and
9) The sages of the ages call you harbinger. The prophets look to you and say,
He is Elijah come again. 10) Your mission here is that of harbinger; for you will go before
Messiah's face to pave his way, and make the people ready to receive their
king.
11) This readiness is purity of heart; none but the pure in heart can
recognize the king.
I thought that book was fascinating
and had many messages for us today in terms of truth, beauty and goodness in the
journey and how that is related to righteousness and is the Path to the Messiah.
Sevens
posted
05-16-2008 09:51 PM
Its an interesting book however I tend
to have more confidence in the Urantia Book as the book is leading us in a very
practical way to the cities. However, there are interesting things. like in the
below. I was interested in "the Seven" see if its may a reflection in
this path to the ancient places.
Salome's lessons. The man and the woman. Philosophy of human moods.
The triune God. The Septonate. The God Tao.
SALOME taught the lesson of the day. She said,
All times are not alike. Today the words of man may have the greatest power;
tomorrow woman teaches best.
2) In all the ways of life the man and woman should walk hand in hand; the one
without the other is but half; each has a work to do. 3) But all things teach; each has a time and a season for its own. The sun,
the moon have lessons of their own for men; but each one teaches at the
appointed time.
4) The lessons of the sun fall down on human hearts like withered leaves upon
a stream, if given in the season of the moon; and so with lessons of the moon
and all the stars.
5) Today one walks in gloom, downhearted and oppressed; tomorrow that same one
is filled with joy.
6) Today the heavens seem full of blessedness and hope; tomorrow hope has
fled, and every plan and purpose comes to naught.
7) Today one wants to curse the very ground on which he treads; tomorrow he is
full of love and praise.
8) Today one hates and scorns and envies and is jealous of the child he loves;
tomorrow he has risen above his carnal self, and breathes forth gladness and
good will.
9) A thousand times men wonder why these heights and depths, these light
hearts and these sad, are found in every life.
10) They do not know that there are teachers everywhere, each busy with a
God-appointed task, and driving home to human hearts the truth.
11) But this is true, and every one receives the lessons that he needs.
12) And Mary said,
Today I am in exaltation great; my thoughts and all my life seem lifted up;
why am I thus inspired?
13) Salome replied,
This is a day of exaltation; day of worship and of praise; a day when, in a
measure, we may comprehend our Father-God.
14) Then let us study God, the One, the Three,
the Seven.
15) Before the worlds were formed all things were One; just Spirit,
Universal Breath.
16) And Spirit breathed, and that which was not manifest became the Fire and
Thought of Heaven, the Father-God, the Mother-God.
17) And when the Fire and Thought of heaven in union breathed, their son,
their only son, was born. This son is Love whom men have called the Christ.
18) Men call the Thought of heaven the Holy Breath. 19) And when the Triune God breathed forth, lo, seven Spirits stood before
the throne. These are the Elohim, creative spirits of the universe.
20) And these are they who said, Let us make man; and in their image man was
made.
21) In early ages of the world the dwellers in the farther East said, Tao is
the name of Universal Breath; and in the ancient books we read,
22) No manifesting form has Tao Great, and yet he made and keeps the heavens
and earth.
23) No passion has our Tao Great, and yet he causes sun and moon and all the
stars to rise and set.
24) No name has Tao Great, and yet he makes all things to grow; he brings in
season both the seed time and the harvest time. 25) And Tao Great was One; the One became the Two; the Two became the
Three, the Three evolved the Seven, which filled the universe with
manifests.
26) And Tao Great gives unto all, the evil and the good, the rain, the dew,
the sunshine and the flowers; from his rich stores he feeds them all. 27) And in the same old book we read of man: He has a spirit knit to Tao
Great; a soul which lives within the seven Breaths of Tao Great; a body of
desires that springs up from the soil of flesh. 28) Now spirit loves the pure, the good, the true; the body of desires
extols the selfish self; the soul becomes the battle ground between the two.
29) And blessed is the man whose spirit is triumphant and whose lower self is
purified; whose soul is cleansed, becoming fit to be the council chamber of
the manifests of Tao Great.
30) Thus closed the lesson of Salome.
anbd here is connection on to the
keyword "Tao" as in the above.
PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE
ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
line 138: About fifteen thousand years ago the Andites, in considerable
numbers, were traversing the pass of Ti Tao and spreading out over the upper
valley of the Yellow River among the Chinese settlements of Kansu. Presently
they penetrated eastward to Honan, where the most progressive settlements were
situated. This infiltration from the west was about half
Andonite and half
Andite.
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PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
line 113: Lao-tse built directly upon the concepts of the Salem traditions
when he declared Tao to be the One First Cause of all creation.
Lao was a man of great spiritual vision. He taught that "man's eternal destiny
was everlasting union with Tao, Supreme God and Universal King." His
comprehension of ultimate causation was most discerning, for he wrote:
"Unity arises out of the Absolute Tao, and from Unity there appears cosmic
Duality, and from such Duality, Trinity springs forth into existence, and
Trinity is the primal source of all reality." "All reality is ever in balance
between the potentials and the actuals of the cosmos, and these are eternally
harmonized by the spirit of divinity."
line 122: But the popular Taoism of twentieth-century
Urantia has very
little in common with the lofty sentiments and the cosmic concepts of the old
philosopher who taught the truth as he perceived it, which was: That
faith in the Absolute God is the source of that divine energy which will
remake the world, and by which man ascends to spiritual union with Tao, the
Eternal Deity and Creator Absolute of the universes.
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PAPER 92 - THE LATER EVOLUTION OF RELIGION, Oct 19 2000
line 113: 4. The sixth century before Christ. Many men arose to proclaim
truth in this, one of the greatest centuries of religious awakening ever
witnessed on Urantia.
Among these should be recorded Gautama, Confucius,
Lao-tse, Zoroaster,
and the Jainist teachers. The teachings of
Gautama have become widespread in
Asia, and he is revered as the Buddha by millions. Confucius was to Chinese
morality what Plato was to Greek philosophy, and while there were religious
repercussions to the teachings of both, strictly speaking, neither was a
religious teacher; Lao-tse envisioned more of God in Tao than did Confucius in
humanity or Plato in idealism. Zoroaster, while much affected by the prevalent
I find it very interesting that you
have this bridge of Tao with its fundamental roots of the Salem, Melchizedek
truth and connection into the Aquarian Gospel through the words of Salome.
And you have have ONE, Three and Seven connection, the Universal Government
fingerprint. Which is the Seven or the Government of the Ancient of Days that
came out of the Triune and the one.
and this
quote:
13) You know the sacred Word, which
is the word of power. 14) The secret things that I have told to you that may not now be told to
all the world, you shall make known to faithful men who shall in turn reveal
them unto other faithful men.
15) Until the time shall come when all the world may hear and comprehend the
words of truth and power.
Salome, a teacher of the Essenes
in Zoan, gave this lesson to Elizabeth and Mary, who were to pass it on to
their sons Jesus and John. Its main value lies in the wisdom principles it
enunciates, but it is also of value since it shows
that the Essenes knew
and acknowledged the wisdom of Taoism and actively taught it.
The Tao Te
Ching or
Daodejing
(traditional Chinese: 道德經; simplified Chinese: 道德经; pinyin:
Dàodéjīng),
originally known as the eponymous Laozi or Lao
tzu (Chinese: 老子; pinyin:
Lǎozǐ),
is a Chinese classic text.
and more
According to tradition, it was written around the 6th century BCE by the
Taoist sage Laozi (or Lao Tzu, "Old Master"), a record-keeper at the Zhou
Dynasty court, by whose name the text is known in China. The text's true
authorship and date of composition or compilation are still debated.[1]
The Tao Te Ching is fundamental to the Taoist school (Dàojiā 道家) of
Chinese philosophy and strongly influenced other schools, such as Legalism
and Neo-Confucianism. This ancient book is also central in Chinese
religion, not only for Taoism (Dàojiāo 道教) but [B][/B] , which when first
introduced into China was largely interpreted through the use of Taoist words
and concepts
And Peter said,
You people of Jerusalem, and you who live beyond the city's gates; Peace be to
you, and all mankind.
11) This is the time that holy men of old desired to see, by faith they saw
this hour, and now they stand with us in ecstasy.
12) The prophet Joel in olden times told of the things you see and hear. The
Holy Breath spoke with his tongue and said,
13) And it shall come to pass in latter days, that I will breathe upon the
sons of men, and fill them with the blessedness of holiness.
14) Your sons and daughters will stand forth and prophesy; your young men will
be seers; your old men will dream dreams.
15) And I will show wonders in the heavens above, and
marvelous signs in
earth.
16) Sounds will proceed from heaven and voices will be heard that men will
fail to comprehend.
17) The sun will fail to shine; the moon will wade in blood before the
coming of the great day of the Lord.
18) And it will come to pass that they who call upon the name of God in
faith shall be redeemed.
Seems like our days, the latter days
and did you notice "marvelous signs in earth." like the ancient places of which
are signs in the Latter days. And people wont understand nor comprehend and the
bloodshed will continue and illumination and enlightenment of the signs may fail
on earth generally. But there is an escape plan for those who believe.
and this one
quote:
5) God speaks to man, not by an
oracle of wood and gold, but by the voice of man.
6) The gods have spoken to the Greeks, and kindred tongues, through images
made by man, but God, the One, now speaks to man through Christ the only son,
who was, and is and evermore will be. 7) This Oracle shall fail;
the Living Oracle of God, the One,
will never fail.
That's why I believe this oracle will not fail
because its a living oracle of day by day as we sail to the ancient places. Like
the preparation in the revealment of the former things.
sevens
posted
05-17-2008 03:14 AM
Here is Urantia Book link into Lao
Tze
It describes the Tao more fully and its evolution.
6. LAO-TSE AND CONFUCIUS About six hundred years before the arrival of Michael, it seemed to
Melchizedek, long since departed from the flesh, that the purity of his
teaching on earth was being unduly jeopardized by general absorption into the
older Urantia beliefs. It appeared for a time that his mission as a forerunner
of Michael might be in danger of failing. And in the sixth century before
Christ, through an unusual co-ordination of spiritual agencies, not all of
which are understood even by the planetary supervisors, Urantia witnessed a
most unusual presentation of manifold religious truth. Through the agency
of several human teachers the Salem gospel was restated and
revitalized, and as it was then presented, much has persisted to the times of
this writing.
Lao-tse also made one of the earliest presentations of the doctrine of
returning good for evil: "Goodness begets goodness, but to the one who is
truly good, evil also begets goodness."
He taught the return of the creature to the Creator and pictured life as
the emergence of a personality from the cosmic potentials, while death was
like the returning home of this creature personality. His concept of true
faith was unusual, and he too likened it to the "attitude of a little
child."
His understanding of the eternal purpose of God was clear, for he said:
"The Absolute Deity does not strive but is always victorious; he does not
coerce mankind but always stands ready to respond to their true desires; the
will of God is eternal in patience and eternal in the inevitability of its
expression."
And of the true religionist he said, in expressing the truth that it is
more blessed to give than to receive: "The good man seeks not to retain truth
for himself but rather attempts to bestow these riches upon his fellows, for
that is the realization of truth. The will of the Absolute God always
benefits, never destroys; the purpose of the true believer is always to act
but never to coerce."
Lao's teaching of nonresistance and the distinction which he made
between
action and coercion became later perverted into the beliefs of
"seeing,
doing, and thinking nothing." But Lao never taught such error, albeit his
presentation of nonresistance has been a factor in the further development of
the pacific predilections of the Chinese peoples. action and coercion but not
"seeing, doing, and thinking nothing."
here is a correction in the attitude! for the religion. The above seems to
highlight the best in the above Chinese religion.
and more in the paper
Confucius (Kung Fu-tze) was a younger contemporary of Lao in sixth-century
China. Confucius based his doctrines upon the better moral traditions of the
long history of the yellow race, and he was also somewhat influenced by the
lingering traditions of the Salem missionaries. His chief work consisted
in the compilation of the wise sayings of ancient philosophers. He was
a rejected teacher during his lifetime, but his writings and teachings have
ever since exerted a great influence in China and Japan . Confucius set a
new pace for the shamans in that he put morality in the place of magic. But he
built too well; he made a new fetish out of order and established
a respect
for ancestral conduct that is still venerated by the Chinese at the time of
this writing.
The Confucian preachment of morality was predicated on the theory that the
earthly way is the distorted shadow of the heavenly way; that the true pattern
of temporal civilization is the mirror reflection of the eternal order of
heaven. The potential God concept in Confucianism was almost completely
subordinated to the emphasis placed upon the Way of Heaven, the pattern of the
cosmos.
The teachings of Lao have been lost to all but a few in the Orient, but
the writings of Confucius have ever since constituted the basis of the moral
fabric of the culture of almost a third of Urantians. These Confucian
precepts, while perpetuating the best of the past, were somewhat inimical to
the very Chinese spirit of investigation that had produced those achievements
which were so venerated. The influence of these doctrines was unsuccessfully
combated both by the imperial efforts of Ch'in Shih Huang Ti and by the
teachings of Mo Ti, who proclaimed a brotherhood founded not on ethical
duty but on the love of God. He sought to rekindle the ancient quest for
new truth, but his teachings failed before the vigorous opposition of the
disciples of Confucius.
and....
But the Salemites did not labor in vain. It was upon the foundations of
their gospel that the great philosophers of sixth-century China built their
teachings. The moral atmosphere and the spiritual sentiments of the times
of Lao-tse and Confucius grew up out of the teachings of the Salem
missionaries of an earlier age.
fascinating paper and widens the view
point more knowing that this teaching had influences in the Essenes thoughts as
expressed by Solame.
Right around the time Atlantis was recorded by Plato wasn't it?
quote:
Dao De
Jing - Chapter 66
(I
have to chuckle to myself as the name Dao de Jing looks, written and sounds
like my name ahaha)
If the sage would guide the people, he must serve with humility.
If he would lead them, he must follow behind. In this way when the sage rules, the people will not feel oppressed;
When he stands before them, they will not be harmed.
The whole world will support him and will not tire of him.
Because he does not compete,
He does not meet competition.
and
quote:
Lao-Tse b. 604-531 BCE
Little is known of the history of Lao Tzu. He was a native of
Ch'ü-jen, which
is in the modern day Honan Province, China. His given name was Li
Erh; the
name Lao Tzu means "old sage" or "old boy".
The author of the "Dao De Jing" (Tao Te
Ching), Lao Tzu, kept the Imperial
Archives of the Court of Chou, in the province of Honan in the sixth century,
B.C. Some historical records indicate that he had personally instructed
Confucius and was an elderly contemporary, although others claim that he
passed away before the birth of Confucius.
Here is a urantia book connection
to this piece of knowledge "that he had personally instructed Confucius and
was an elderly contemporary,"
and this piece from the Urantia Book 1934
Confucius (Kung Fu-tze) was a younger contemporary of Lao in sixth-century
China.
and here is an old post regarding the circle
religion in China and the emblem of the Melchizedeks ensign.
The temple of Heaven in Beijing note
the 3 concentric circles. Where did that circle truth come from? Not from any
religions we know today. How did they evolve the symbol of the 3 concentric
circles around 700BC, 100 years before Plato? Through there own religion of the
past?
and the main temple of Heaven. Again the concentric circles. Why? the concentric
circles in China? Where did that come from, Was it the perpetuation of the
Melchizedeks ensign that persisted in the Shangdi religion
I believe the latest posts offer a great connection and threads for the Chinese
people to explore. The paths could provide the path for the Chinese people in
bringing together the Melchizedek truths from the past in their books and
combine them with the Urantia Book and with the Bible and all other books for a
great oneness and uplift.
This journey provides a good viechle for the Chinese people in a revival of
spiritual truth that links back to 4000BC to the Melchizedek truth and connects
their past into today with an upgrade of religion through this journey to the
places and with the new book the Urantia Book.
Alongside the development of Taoism
as a philosophy another more strictly religious interpretation of Taoism was
evolving. This "religious" Taoism had its own temples, priests, rites and
symbolic images. Lao Tzu was venerated as a "saint" and imperial sacrifices
were made to him. It drew strongly upon the ideas of yin-yang and of the "Five
Agents" (metal, wood, water, fire & earth). During this time there began to
develop a pantheon of Taoist deities that were often venerated as gods. So
prominent were astrology, alchemy and divination in this stream of Taoism that
it had veered away from philosophy to occultism.
This movement was
sometimes known as Huang-Lao after the legendary Yellow Emperor,
Huang-ti
and Lao Tzu.
The symbol of the Yin/Yang
and remember this fragment in the Urantia Book about Huang Ti
The Ub fragment
quote:
The influence of these doctrines was
unsuccessfully combated both by the imperial efforts of
Ch'in Shih
Huang
Ti and by the teachings of Mo Ti, who proclaimed a brotherhood founded
not on ethical duty but on the love of God. He sought to rekindle the ancient
quest for new truth, but his teachings failed before the vigorous opposition
of the disciples of Confucius.
Very nice connection of Huang Ti in
history and Ch'in Shih
Huang Ti in the Urantia Book with his role,
a connection for the Chinese people in the upgrade of religion.
and more fragments from the the above link that link Haung Ti to the Chin
dynasty directly found in the Urantia Book.
quote:
From this form of Taoism emerged
very strong alchemical currents as Taoist practitioners (much like Western
mystics a millennium later) at the court of Shih Huang-ti of the
Qin (Ch'in)
dynasty (221-207 BC) tried to cultivate powers that would transform base
metals to gold, and hence would serve as a metonym for the transformation of
human qualities to the transcendent. These practitioners were also acclaimed
as spirit mediums and experts in levitation .
Obviously, degradation of Lao
Tze writings where
being degraded from the Melchizedek truth at this time 221-207 BC.
I remember sometime ago I heard the
Chinese Government was finding a path back to their roots in religion reviving
Buddhism. I believe in this serious of posts are the threads and connections
that could lead to paths of knowledge that would upgrade the whole Chinese
people in a new and revitalized religion that would combine the past with the
future and they, the whole race could come on an expedition to prove the truth
of the matter.
Now about Mo Ti
Here is a fragment I found on the net
quote:
MO-TI
c.472 - c.391 BC
Chinese Philosopher
Mo-ti, or Mo-tzu, was a Chinese philosopher whose doctrine of universal love
challenged Confucianism for a considerable time during China's history.
Mo-ti was first a
Confucianist but became increasingly attracted for a life of
simplicity. His ideas challenged the special claims of parental authority.
Mo-ti developed the idea of an utopian state, and he also introduced logical
systems into Chinese philosophy.
web page
Now look what the Urantia Book says
quote:
The teachings of Lao have been lost
to all but a few in the Orient, but the writings of Confucius have ever since
constituted the basis of the moral fabric of the culture of almost a third of
Urantians. These Confucian precepts, while perpetuating the best of the past,
were somewhat inimical to the very Chinese spirit of investigation that had
produced those achievements which were so venerated.
The influence of these
doctrines was unsuccessfully combated both by the
imperial efforts of Ch'in
Shih Huang Ti and by the teachings of Mo Ti, who proclaimed a brotherhood
founded not on ethical duty but on the love of God. He sought to rekindle the
ancient quest for new truth, but his teachings failed before the vigorous
opposition of the disciples of Confucius.
Like many other spiritual and moral teachers, both Confucius and Lao-tse were
eventually deified by their followers in those spiritually dark ages of China
which intervened between the decline and perversion of the Taoist faith and
the coming of the Buddhist missionaries from India.
During these spiritually decadent centuries the religion of the yellow race
degenerated into a pitiful theology wherein swarmed devils, dragons, and evil
spirits, all betokening the returning fears of the unenlightened mortal mind.
And China, once at the head of human society because of an advanced religion,
then fell behind because of temporary failure to progress in the true path of
the development of that God-consciousness which is indispensable to the true
progress, not only of the individual mortal, but also of the intricate and
complex civilizations which characterize the advance of culture and society on
an evolutionary planet of time and space.
Another interesting connection in the
timeline of events that affected the the Tao truths.
All good for the uplift of Chinese religion with book from the Kingdom of
Heaven.
and here is the direct message for the Chinese People for today and their
religion
quote:
in the true path of the
development of that God-consciousness which is indispensable to the true
progress, not only of the individual mortal, but also of the intricate and
complex civilizations which characterize the advance of culture and society on
an evolutionary planet of time and space.
Chinese civilization owes much to the legendary ruler. Agriculture and
husbandry simultaneously developed in the ancient times when Huang-ti
ruled. Silkworm raising was accomplished earliest in China.
Yue
Jue Shu
says Emperor Huang-ti started the silk clothing industry and cultivated
mulberry (for silkworms) and hemp; as the Chinese archaeologists state "it is
from historical records" (Selections of Chinese Relics and Archaeology,
Foreign Languages Press, Beijing, 1995). We should be grateful that at
least some historical records reach to us from the mists of time. Ancient
scribes took care to leave us an incredible tale of a very strange being,
the one they called the "Yellow Emperor."
And it was in Huang-ti's age that the most ancient Chinese writing was
"invented."
So the Chin Dynasty was going through
some age of enlightenment soon after Lao Tze and
Confucious.
Now the Chinese people go back 4000years through there records in archaeology,
this brings closer to the time of Melchizdek in Salem 2000 years before. The
Shang people as I understand had strong influence in the China in those ancient
times.
and apparently they may have had Sumerian influence with the
Shang People which
I can understand.
quote:
They were a record of a people
who called themselves Shang, and ruled lands surrounding
Anyang some four
thousand years ago. The objects embedded in the fields of Hsiao
T'un came
not from dragons but from tortoises and cattle.
Shang kings desired to
glimpse into the future, and their diviners inscribed the royal inquiries on a
carefully scraped and polished tortoise shell or ox blade or leg bone.
Years later the People's Republic of China archaeologists uncovered
thousands more Shang oracle bones. Corps of learned people created a whole
new branch of linguistic study, Jia
gu
shu, the study of shell and bone
writing. As scholars pored over the writings of ancient diviners,
they
reached a provocative conclusion: Shang writing was not the oldest Chinese
writing, not by a thousand years at least. The characters used then were
already so sophisticated that they undoubtedly had many centuries of
development behind them. Very little is known pre-Shang writing. The
Shang
Dynasty (1766-1122 BC) is the first documented era of ancient China. The
highly developed hierarchy consisted of a king, nobles, commoners, and slaves.
The capital city was Anyang, in north
Henan Province.
Some scholars have suggested that travelers from Mesopotamia and from
Southeast Asia brought agricultural methods to China, which stimulated the
growth of ancient Chinese civilization . If so, there may be a direct
connection with Sumer.
The Shang peoples were known for their use of jade, bronze, horse-drawn
chariots, ancestor worship, and highly organized armies . A significant
aspect of China is its long cultural and national history. The Chinese people
have shared a common culture longer than any other group on Earth. The Chinese
writing system dates back almost 4,000 years.
5. THE STRUGGLE FOR TRUTH IN CHINA
As the Salem missionaries passed through Asia, spreading the doctrine of the
Most High God and salvation through faith, they absorbed much of the
philosophy and religious thought of the various countries traversed. But the
teachers commissioned by Melchizedek and his successors did not default in
their trust; they did penetrate to all peoples of the Eurasian continent, and
it was in the middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived
in China. At See Fuch, for more than one hundred years, the Salemites
maintained their headquarters, there training Chinese teachers who taught
throughout all the domains of the yellow race.
It was in direct consequence of this teaching that the earliest form of
Taoism arose in China, a vastly different religion than the one which
bears that name today. Early or proto-Taoism was a compound of the following
factors:
1. The lingering teachings of Singlangton, which persisted in the concept of
Shang-ti, the God of Heaven. In the times of
Singlangton the Chinese people
became virtually monotheistic; they concentrated their worship on the One
Truth, later known as the Spirit of Heaven, the universe ruler. And the yellow
race never fully lost this early concept of Deity, although in subsequent
centuries many subordinate gods and spirits insidiously crept into their
religion.
2. The Salem religion of a Most High Creator Deity who would bestow his favor
upon mankind in response to man's faith. But it is all too true that, by the
time the Melchizedek missionaries had penetrated to the lands of the yellow
race, their original message had become considerably changed from the simple
doctrines of Salem in the days of Machiventa.
3. The Brahman-Absolute concept of the Indian philosophers, coupled with the
desire to escape all evil. Perhaps the greatest extraneous influence in the
eastward spread of the Salem religion was exerted by the Indian teachers of
the Vedic faith, who injected their conception of the Brahman--the
Absolute--into the salvationistic thought of the Salemites.
at around the time when the Melchizedek truth was spreading to China.
quote:
Yellow Emperor
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Huangdi
Huangdi, or the Yellow Emperor, is a legendary Chinese sovereign and
cultural hero who is considered in Chinese mythology to be the ancestor of all
Han Chinese . One of the legendary Five Emperors, it was written in the
Shiji by historian
Sima Qian (145 BC-90 BC) that the
Huangdi reigned from
2697 BC to 2598 BC.
He emerged as a chief deity of Taoism
during
the Han Dynasty (202 BC-220 AD). The legend of his victory in the war against
Emperor Chi You at the Battle of Zhuolu is seen as the establishment of the
Han Chinese nationality.
Among his many accomplishments, Huangdi has been credited with the invention
of the principles of Traditional Chinese medicine. The
Huangdi
Neijing (黄帝内經
Inner Canon of Huangdi) was supposedly composed in collaboration with his
physician Qibo.
However, modern historiographers generally consider it to
have been compiled from ancient sources by a scholar living between the Zhou
and Han dynasties, more than 2,000 years later.
His interest in natural health and preventing and treating diseases, according
to historical sources, meant he lived to the age of 100, and
attained
immortality after his physical death.
and this part from the Urantia working
on the timeline of Huangdi
quote:
and it was in the middle of the
second millennium before Christ that they arrived in China.
and
Huangdi reigned from
2697 BC to 2598 BC.
apparently in Chinese early Salemites
religion the Land of the Gods to the West, this ultimately points to
Dalamatia City and 1Eden where the Sons Gods did live.
A fragment on page search of Western Paradise another name for Land of the Gods.
QUEEN MOTHER OF THE WEST the
Taoist goddess who rules over the western paradise and is the head of a
pantheon of goddesses and female immortals. In her garden, she grows the
peaches of immortality. Page 39.
and this connection with the Urantia Book regarding the Land of the Gods in
Chinese early religion.
line 141: The later waves of Andites brought with them certain of the cultural
advances of Mesopotamia; this is especially true of the last waves of
migration from the west. They greatly improved the economic and educational
practices of the northern Chinese; and while their influence upon the
religious culture of the yellow race was short-lived , their later
descendants contributed much to a subsequent spiritual awakening.
But the Andite traditions of the beauty of Eden and Dalamatia did
influence Chinese traditions; early Chinese legends place
"the land of the
gods" in the west .
Tao gave them birth; The power of
Tao reared them, Shaped them according to their kinds, Perfected them, giving
to each its strength. Therefore of the ten thousand things there is not one
that does not worship Tao and do homage to its power. Yet no mandate ever went
forth that accorded to Tao the right to be worshipped, nor to its power the
right to receive homage. It was always and of itself so.
Therefore as Tao bore them and the power of Tao reared them, made them grow,
fostered them, harbored them, brewed for them, so you must Rear them, but do
not lay claim to them; Control them, but never lean upon them, Be their
steward, but do not manage them. This is called the Mysterious Power.
Taoism. Tao Te Ching 51
and here is another link where it
connects Chinese religion to the land of Gods in the West
FA ZANG
JIANG SI
A Buddhist Temple located at the comer of Fuxing Lu and
Ji An Lu, within
walking distance from Huaihai
Zhong Lu and
Huangpi Nan Lu metro station. It is
an impressive pre-revolutionary temple. During the Cultural Revolution it was
a factory, much like Chenghuang
Miao was. A community of resident monks lives
here. The worshippers and monks are friendly and welcome the chance to explain
their faith to visitors. They belong to the Pure Land Sect which worships
Amitabha
Pusa or
Om-i-to-fu. This sect has an almost Christian belief in an
after-death rebirth in a Western Land or Pure Land similar to heaven.
And this land to the west points to Dalamatia City and 1stEden of Cyprus both
submerged.
Apprently this place is on the
Yangste
ze River and is most likely the location
of where there was once a colony of Salemites Perhaps this is
See Fuch in
the Urantia and in China
FA ZANG
JIANG SI maybe!!
sevens
posted
05-17-2008 06:36 AM
The supreme belief of Taoism is "Tao"
(the Way), which is indescribable and beyond human perception and understanding.
"Tao" is believed to be the origin of the universe, the basis of the existence
of all creatures, and the laws of development and change ruling all creatures.
"Tao" sublimates into the qi (vital energy or breath), and gathers to form the
Three Purities, i.e., the Celestial Worthy of Primordial Beginning or Jade
Purity, the Celestial Worthy of Numinous Treasure or Highest Purity, and the
Celestial Worthy of the Tao and its Virtue or Supreme Purity. Below the Three
Purities, the emanations of Tao are a mass of deities such as the Jade Emperor,
the Four Heavenly Emperors and the Five Emperors of the Five Directions, and the
immortals who humans can become through self-cultivation. Deities and immortals,
models in achieving Tao, make it their duty to teach and redeem all creatures,
and are therefore worshiped by the Taoism followers.
Stellar Sovereigns of the Five Planets and Seven Stars
The Stellar Sovereigns of the Five Planets and Seven Stars are seven Taoist
deities . The Five Planets are the Year Star (Jupiter), the Sparkling
Deluder (Mars), the Grand White Star (Venus), the Chronographic Star
(Mercury), and the Quelling Star (Saturn). Together with the sun and moon,
they are also called the Seven Stars. Taoism worships the Seven Stars as
spirits and calls them Stellar Sovereigns. In early ancient times, people
began to worship the sun, moon and stars.
All connections and parallels
quote:
Xiwang
Mu. She is the highest ranking
of all female deities, the Queen Mother of the West guards the Taoist Peach
of Immortality. Any who partakes of this fruit (or receives the blessing of
the Queen Mother of the West) attains immortality.
She is almost always
depicted as a stately matriarch holding one of her peaches.
Evidence of 'Fifth Ancient Civilization' Found in China
Chinese and Japanese archaeologists claim they have discovered in China's
southwestern province of Sichuan evidence of the fifth ancient civilization,
Japan's Kyodo News reported Monday, October 28 1996. The evidence is an
earthen stage, unearthed during a joint archaeology project and estimated to
date back 4,500 years. It was found among the remains of an ancient castle
near the banks of the Yangtze River 56 miles (90 km) southwest of the city of
Chengdu. The archaeologists involved in the excavation project explain that
the earthen stage, pointing to an advanced knowledge of construction
techniques by those who built it, reinforces the possibility of a fifth
civilization. The world's four oldest civilizations are known as Mesopotamia,
Egypt, Indus and China's Yellow River. Carbon isotope analysis on earthenware
found at the excavation site was used to help identify the age of the castle
and stage.
It is a very significant discovery . We may be closer to solving the enigma of
the "Yellow Emperor," Huang-ti (27th century B.C.), who, it is said, lived in
those misty reaches of time before the Shang dynasty.
In the beginning
Archaeological evidence suggests that China is one of the cradles of the
human race. The earliest known human in China, whose fossilized skull was
unearthed in Shanxi Province in 1963, is believed to date back to
600,000
BC.[/ B]
Around the 4th or 3rd millennium BC, in the New Stone Age, great changes
occurred in the lives of the ancient Chinese. Larger numbers of people began
living together at settled places, cultivating land, and domesticating
animals. These people made polished stone tools and built shelters in pit
dwellings and beehive huts that were covered with reed roofs. [B]Such villages
were found mostly in the area of the great bend of the Huang He on the North
China Plain. Despite its severe winters, this area was well suited to
agriculture. In fact, it closely resembled the other cradles of ancient
civilizations, such as the valley of the Nile in Egypt. As we will see, this
is an important fact, because there are other striking similarities between
the ancient civilizations. According to Chinese tradition,
the Chinese
people originated in the Huang He (Hwang Ho or Yellow River) valley. The
legends tell of a creator, P'an Ku, who was succeeded by a series of heavenly,
terrestrial, and human sovereigns . Rice was grown in eastern China circa
5500 BC, and about five centuries later an agricultural society developed in
the Huang He valley.
The Emperor's legacy
Chinese civilization owes much to the legendary ruler. Agriculture and
husbandry simultaneously developed in the ancient times when Huang-ti ruled.
Silkworm raising was accomplished earliest in China.
Yue Jue
Shu says Emperor
Huang-ti started the silk clothing industry and cultivated mulberry (for
silkworms) and hemp; as the Chinese archaeologists state "it is from
historical records" (Selections of Chinese Relics and Archaeology, Foreign
Languages Press, Beijing, 1995). We should be grateful that at least some
historical records reach to us from the mists of time.
Ancient scribes took
care to leave us an incredible tale of a very strange being, the one they
called the "Yellow Emperor." And it was in Huang-ti's age that the most
ancient Chinese writing was "invented."
Like other ancient peoples, the Chinese developed unique attributes. Their
form of writing, developed by 2000 BC, was a complex system of picture writing
using forms called ideograms, pictograms, and phonograms. Such early forms of
Chinese became known through the discovery by archaeologists of oracle bones,
which were bones with writings inscribed on them. They were used for
fortune-telling and record keeping in ancient China. In 1899 a small group of
Chinese scholars and antiquarians collected quantities of inscribed bones from
the fields around Hsiao T'un. Five years passed before enough symbols could be
deciphered to reveal the true nature of the "dragon bones."
They were a record of a people who called themselves
Shang, and ruled lands
surrounding Anyang some four thousand years ago. The objects embedded in the
fields of Hsiao T'un came not from dragons but from tortoises and cattle.
Shang kings desired to glimpse into the future, and their diviners inscribed
the royal inquiries on a carefully scraped and polished tortoise shell or ox
blade or leg bone.
Years later the People's Republic of China archaeologists uncovered thousands
more Shang oracle bones. Corps of learned people created a whole new branch of
linguistic study, Jia
gu
shu, the study of shell and bone writing. As scholars
pored over the writings of ancient diviners, they reached a provocative
conclusion: Shang writing was not the oldest Chinese writing, not by a
thousand years at least. The characters used then were already so
sophisticated that they undoubtedly had many centuries of development behind
them. Very little is known pre-Shang writing.
The Shang Dynasty (1766-1122
BC) is the first documented era of ancient China. The highly developed
hierarchy consisted of a king, nobles, commoners, and slaves. The capital city
was Anyang, in north
Henan Province. Some scholars have suggested that
travelers from Mesopotamia and from Southeast Asia brought agricultural
methods to China, which stimulated the growth of ancient Chinese civilization.
If so, there may be a direct connection with Sumer. The
Shang peoples were
known for their use of jade, bronze, horse-drawn chariots, ancestor worship,
and highly organized armies. A significant aspect of China is its long
cultural and national history. The Chinese people have shared a common culture
longer than any other group on Earth. The Chinese writing system dates back
almost 4,000 years.
Ancient libraries
.The earliest known libraries were connected with palaces and temples. In
China, records of the Shang dynasty were written on animal bones and tortoise
shells. An early library called "The Healing Place of the Soul"; in the palace
of Egypt's King Ramses II (1304?-1237 BC) at Thebes, consisted of thousands of
papyrus scrolls. Among the most important libraries in the ancient Near East
was the palace library of Ashurbanipal (668?-627? BC) at Nineveh in Assyria.
This early type of national library, collected "for the sake of distant days"
consisted of over 30,000 clay tablets. Early librarians were usually priests,
teachers, or scholars. The first known Chinese librarian was the philosopher
Lao Tse, who was appointed keeper of the royal historical records for the Chou
rulers about 550 BC. There is a definite connection between Lao
Tse and the
Yellow Emperor.
Many cultures identify a sacred being as the creator of writing. In Egypt, the
honor was shared by Thoth and Isis, while the ancient Greeks thanked Hermes
for their writing words.
The Yellow Emperor was a highly gifted "Son of Heaven". Legend goes that he
was the inventor of many things such as making clothes, manufacturing boats
and vehicles, building houses and palaces, etc. He also had his court
officials Lun Ling make musical instruments, Da
Nao compile the Heavenly Stems
and the Earthly Branches (The 10 Heavenly Stems and 12 Earthly Branches are
used in combination to designate years, months, days and hours), and
Ts'ang Chieh invent the Chinese characters. Thus, the Chinese tradition attributes
the invention of writing to Ts'ang
Chieh, a minister of the heroic "Yellow
Emperor," Huang-ti.
When men first learned to write, "all spirits cried in agony, as the innermost
secrets of nature were thus revealed."
That link was very interesting.
and
http://www.taoistsecret.com/taoistgod.html#1
The Three Pure Ones are the highest Deities in Taoism. “The Three Pure Ones”
transcend the entire hierarchy of Taoist deities. In the middle is the ultimate
highest deity of Taoism, the Primordial Heavenly Worthy. To your right is the
Spiritual Treasure Heavenly Worthy, and to your left is the Supreme Way Heavenly
Worthy.
Note: the halos or circles and when the triune are sitting together, the halos
make the 3 co planar circles. This is an image of Triune God, the trinity. The
remnant of the Salem teachings in China that came out of See Fuch.
and the Jade emperor.
Note the 3 co planar circles around his head!
This is the link in symbolism that
links the Chinese people through there ancient Salemite influenced religion Tao
to this current journey in symbolism that leads straight to the ancient places
Dalamatia City and 1stEden and Vans highland headquarters, the homes of the tree
of life in the evolution of the timeline of its presence on earth. I believe
these series of posts uncovers a pathway of truth for the Chinese people to this
uplift of religion worldwide and to the former places of old.
PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE
ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
line 122: Twenty thousand years ago the ancestors of the Chinese had built
up a dozen strong centers of primitive culture and learning, especially along
the Yellow River and the Yangtze. And now these centers began to be
reinforced by the arrival of a steady stream of superior blended peoples from
Sinkiang and Tibet.
The migration from Tibet to the Yangtze valley was not so extensive as in
the north, neither were the Tibetan centers so advanced as those of the Tarim
basin. But both movements carried a certain amount of Andite blood eastward to
the river settlements.
line 139: The northern centers of culture along the Yellow River had always
been more progressive than the southern settlements on the Yangtze. Within a
few thousand years after the arrival of even the small numbers of these
superior mortals, the settlements along the Yellow River had forged ahead of
the Yangtze villages and had achieved an advanced position over their brethren
in the south which has ever since been maintained.
line 156: Between 4000 and 500 B.C. the political reunification of
the yellow race was consummated, but the cultural union of the Yangtze and
Yellow river centers had already been effected. This political
reunification of the later tribal groups was not without conflict, but the
societal opinion of war remained low; ancestor worship, increasing dialects,
and no call for military action for thousands upon thousands of years had
rendered this people ultrapeaceful.
Shanghai is abbreviated in Chinese
as Hù (沪) or
Shēn (申). The former is derived from an ancient name for
Suzhou
Creek, Hu
Du (沪渎), while the latter is derived from the name of
Chunshen Jun
(春申君), a nobleman and locally-revered hero of the
Chu Kingdom in the 3rd
century BC whose territory included the Shanghai area. Sports teams and
newspapers in Shanghai often use the character Shēn (申) in their names.
Shanghai is also commonly called Shēnchéng (申城, "City of
Shēn"). The city has
also had various nicknames in English, including "Paris of the East" and
"Queen of the Orient".
and See Fuch Urantia
quote:
PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS
IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
line 96: As the Salem missionaries passed through Asia, spreading the doctrine
of the Most High God and salvation through faith, they absorbed much of the
philosophy and religious thought of the various countries traversed. But the
teachers commissioned by Melchizedek and his successors did not default in
their trust; they did penetrate to all peoples of the Eurasian continent, and
it was in the middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived
in China. At See Fuch, for more than one hundred years, the Salemites
maintained their headquarters, there training Chinese teachers who taught
throughout all the domains of the yellow race.
and a search on the Yellow river to
see if there connections
PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
line 42: But even in the twentieth century after Christ there are traces of
Andite blood among the Turanian and Tibetan peoples, as is witnessed by the
blond types occasionally found in these regions.
The early Chinese annals
record the presence of the red-haired nomads to the north of the peaceful
settlements of the Yellow River, and there still remain paintings which
faithfully record the presence of both the blond-Andite and the
brunet-Mongolian types in the Tarim basin of long ago.
line 122: Twenty thousand years ago the ancestors of the Chinese had built
up a dozen strong centers of primitive culture and learning, especially along
the Yellow River and the Yangtze. And now these centers began to be
reinforced by the arrival of a steady stream of superior blended peoples from
Sinkiang and Tibet. The migration from Tibet to the Yangtze valley was not so
extensive as in the north, neither were the Tibetan centers so advanced as
those of the Tarim basin. But both movements carried a certain amount of
Andite blood eastward to the river settlements.
line 138: About fifteen thousand years ago the Andites, in considerable
numbers, were traversing the pass of Ti Tao and spreading out over the upper
valley of the Yellow River among the Chinese settlements of Kansu.
Presently they penetrated eastward to Honan, where the most progressive
settlements were situated. This infiltration from the west was about half
Andonite and half Andite.
line 139: The northern centers of culture along the Yellow River had always
been more progressive than the southern settlements on the Yangtze.
Within a few thousand years after the arrival of even the small numbers of
these superior mortals, the settlements along the Yellow River had forged
ahead of the Yangtze villages and had achieved an advanced position over
their brethren in the south which has ever since been maintained.
line 156: Between 4000 and 500 B.C. the political reunification of the
yellow race was consummated, but the cultural union of the Yangtze and Yellow
river centers had already been effected. This political reunification of
the later tribal groups was not without conflict, but the societal opinion of
war remained low; ancestor worship, increasing dialects, and no call for
military action for thousands upon thousands of years had rendered this people
ultrapeaceful.
PAPER 81 - DEVELOPMENT OF MODERN CIVILIZATION, Oct 19 2000
line 78: The climatic destruction of the rich, open grassland hunting and
grazing grounds of Turkestan, beginning about 12,000 B.C., compelled the men
of those regions to resort to new forms of industry and crude manufacturing.
Some turned to the cultivation of domesticated flocks, others became
agriculturists or collectors of water-borne food, but the higher type of
Andite intellects chose to engage in trade and manufacture.
It even became
the custom for entire tribes to dedicate themselves to the development of a
single industry. From the valley of the Nile to the Hindu
Kush and from the
Ganges to the Yellow River, the chief business of the superior tribes became
the cultivation of the soil, with commerce as a side line.
I see many connections there.
The following seems very close to See
Fuch maybe a little speculation here.
Suzhou Creek (Chinese: 苏州河; pinyin:
Sūzhōu
Hé; Wade-Giles: Su-chou-ho;
literally "Suzhou River") is a river in China that passes through the Shanghai
city centre. It is named after Suzhou, a city in
neighbouring
Jiangsu province
which was the predominant city in this area prior to the rise of Shanghai as a
metropolis
Sevens
posted
05-17-2008 09:15 AM
Changan china could this be See Fuch
quote:
Definition:
Chang'an is the name of one of the most important ancient capital cities of
China. Known as the eastern terminal of the Silk Road,
Chang'an is located in
Shaanxi Province near
Xi'An.
Chang'an served as capital to the Han,
Sui, and
Tang dynasty leaders. The city was first constructed beginning about 200 BC
at the behest of Emperor Gao
Zu; it was destroyed in AD 904.
A wall encloses an area of approximately 84 square kilometers.
Chang'an's most
striking building is perhaps the Temple of Heaven, a pounded earth platform
of four concentric rings , built during the Tang Dynasty. In 1970,
a hoard of 1000 silver and gold objects, as well as jade and other precious
stones called the Hejiacun Hoard was discovered at
Chang'an.
Another Melchizedek feature
four concentric rings , built during the Tang Dynasty.
Another amazing discovery guided by
the Urantia Book.
Great Discovery.
PREFACE
I was born on the Kansu-Tibetan border and lived most of the first fourteen
years of my life in that region. I returned to that region as a missionary under
the Christian and Missionary Alliance in 1928 and, with the exception of one
year (1927-1928), lived and worked among the peoples of this part of
northwestern China and northeastern Tibet until 1936. The years from l923 tol925
were spent principally among the Chinese and Moslems of the region; from 1928 on
I was for the most part among the Tibetans, though necessity or choice
frequently sent my wife and me to the Chinese side of the border.
Our first station was Titao, in Kansu, where I was in charge of the
school work of the mission. Here, as part-time courtesy teacher in the
government normal school, I was fortunate enough to be in close contact with the
scholars and intellectuals of the region. Other evangelical work took me on many
trips through the Chinese and Moslem districts described in this paper and
created many opportunities for close association with the inhabitants of the
Chinese and Moslem villages. Assignment to various missions brought me in touch,
as well, with some of the Moslem military and religious teachers.
Amazing, it came out of a Missionary of the Gospel diary!
Now Honan is
further to the East and is the location of the
Shaolin Monks in the
province of Honan.
quote:
The
Shaolin Temples (monasteries)
are possibly the most revered and famous structures in the history of all
martial arts. The history of the
Shaolin order is obscure and shrouded in
myth and secrecy. Even from their beginnings, they were constant targets
of bandits and rebellious soldiers. According to tradition, the first
Shaolin Temple was built in
Honan province sometime around 500 A.D., on
Shao-shih
Mountain south of Songshan Mountain, 50 miles west of
Zhengzhou.
Traditionally, this was the original temple. The name
Shaolin means "small
(young) forest." There is a legend about how the
Honan Temple received this
name . The story goes that before the temple was built, there was a forest
there. It had been cleared or burned down by orders of Emperor Hsiao of the
Northern Wei Dynasty. When construction started on the temple, the emperor's
gardeners planted new trees.....
Because some people are not informed, they assume there was only one
Shaolin
Temple. They also assume that Honan
Shaolin was the greatest and grandest. But
contrary to popular belief, this is not necessarily the case, although the
Honan Temple in the North appears to be the original. There were 2 main
temples, the Northern and the Southern.
Its interesting that this journey
seems to tie in the Sholin Monks and the roots of
thier beliefs into this
journey.
I also like to add that there Neolithic Site in Lanchow, Kansu near the TiTao
pass
There are other articles but there is a price to pay.
Anyway I following the Sinkiang Route which seems to be related
ot Kansu and the
TiTao pass.
Here is a fragment of a book on sale where there is mention of the Sinkiang and
the Kansu Lanchow relationship.
quote:
Chiang Kai-Shek: Marshal of China
Book by Sven Hedin, Bernard
Norbelie; John Day, 1940
Subjects: Chiang, Kai-Shek--1887-1975
...Highway" from Sinkiang via Liangchow and Lanchow to
Sian, I sensed a
hurricane approaching...Urumchi, and another via
Suchow and
Lanchow to Sian,
then reached the capital of...of the road we had just traveled
from Lanchow
. Many troops belonging to the army of...
Here are fragment from the UB that open thes case up.
quote:
PAPER 79 - ANDITE EXPANSION IN THE
ORIENT, Oct 19 2000
line 31: For over twenty-five thousand years, on down to nearly 2000 B.C.,
the heart of Eurasia was predominantly, though diminishingly, Andite. In
the lowlands of Turkestan the Andites made the westward turning around the
inland lakes into Europe, while from the highlands of this region they
infiltrated eastward. Eastern
Turkestan (Sinkiang) and, to a lesser
extent, Tibet were the ancient gateways through which these peoples of
Mesopotamia penetrated the mountains to the northern lands of the yellow men.
The Andite infiltration of India proceeded from the Turkestan highlands into
the Punjab and from the Iranian grazing lands through
Baluchistan. These
earlier migrations were in no sense conquests; they were,
rather, the
continual drifting of the Andite tribes into western India and China.
line 32: For almost fifteen thousand years centers of mixed Andite culture
persisted in the basin of the Tarim River in Sinkiang and to the south
in the highland regions of Tibet, where the Andites and Andonites had
extensively mingled. The Tarim valley was the easternmost outpost of the
true Andite culture. Here they built their settlements and entered into trade
relations with the progressive Chinese to the east and with the Andonites to
the north. In those days the Tarim region was a fertile land; the rainfall was
plentiful. To the east the Gobi was an open grassland where the herders were
gradually turning to agriculture. This civilization perished when the rain
winds shifted to the southeast, but in its day it rivaled Mesopotamia itself.
line 122: Twenty thousand years ago the ancestors of the Chinese had
built up a dozen strong centers of primitive culture and learning, especially
along the Yellow River and the Yangtze. And now these centers began to be
reinforced by the arrival of a steady stream of superior blended peoples
from Sinkiang and Tibet. The migration from Tibet to the Yangtze valley
was not so extensive as in the north, neither were the Tibetan centers
so
advanced as those of the Tarim basin. But both movements carried a certain
amount of Andite blood eastward to the river settlements.
The Tarim River Basin is the Sinkiang
and they came through the TiTao pass and Lanchow in ancient times.
and here is a link regarding Lanchow and ancient findings
also the article mentions of human remains 460,000 years old which makes sense
to me and with the Urantia Information.
quote:
According to Chinese tradition, the
Chinese people originated in the Huang He (Hwang Ho or Yellow River) valley.
The legends tell of a creator,
P'an Ku, who was succeeded by a series of
heavenly, terrestrial, and human sovereigns. Archaeological evidence is
scant, although remains of Homo erectus, found near Beijing, have been
dated back 460,000 years. Rice was grown in eastern China circa 5500
bc,
and about five centuries later an agricultural society developed in the Huang
He valley. There is strong evidence of two so-called pottery cultures, the
Yang-shao culture (circa 3950- circa 1700
bc), and the Lung-shan culture
(circa 2000- circa 1850 bc).
And note the legends of the Gods
sounds very similiar to the Hierarchy of the Universe and replicated in
Dalamatia City, sounds similiar to the one God message of old.
and look who ruled from Honan, seem to be an advanced settlement with Andite
influence. And note the Melchizedek Missionaries arrived at about 2500BC.
quote:
The Earliest Dynasties
Tradition names the Hsia (circa 1994- circa 1766
bc) as the first hereditary
Chinese dynasty, which ended only when a Hsia ruler fell into debauchery,
mistreated his people, and was overthrown. However, there is no archaeological
record to confirm this story; the
Shang is the earliest dynasty for which
reliable historical evidence exists.
The Shang Dynasty (C. 1766-c. 1027 BC)
The Shang dynasty ruled the territory of the present-day north-central Chinese
provinces of Henan (Ho-nan), Hubei (Hupeh), and Shandong (Shantung) and the
northern part of Anhui (An-hui). The capital, from about 1384 bc on, was
situated at Anyang near the northern border of Henan. The economy was
based on agriculture. Millet, wheat, barley, and, possibly, some rice were
grown. Silkworms were cultivated, and pigs, dogs, sheep, and oxen were raised.
The Shang was an aristocratic society. At the head was a king who presided
over a military nobility. Territorial rulers were appointed by him and
compelled to support him in military endeavors. Between this aristocratic
class and the commoners was a literate priestly class that kept the records of
government and was responsible for divination. Shang people worshiped their
ancestors and a multitude of gods, the principal of whom was known as Shang
Ti, the Lord on High.
Interesting connection which makes an
interesting journey that this journey opens Chinese religious history in the
timeline and in the discovery.
And sure enough the Sinkiang is right where it supposed to be like everything in
this journey. In red is the Sinkiang and borders with Gansu with Kansu at the
TiTao pass where there was constant west to east migration going through this
pass.
Now ShangTi was a religion used in 2000BC by the Emporer. When you look at the
fundamentals of the religion you soon realise that its is a one God religion and
does reflect very much the Melchizedek teaching of the Hierachy of the Universe
and of this planet in the Spiritual world and how the had representatives here
supping of the tree of life.
quote:
Shangdi
Shangdi (上帝, pinyin: Shàngdì, Wade-Giles Shang Ti) is the Supreme God in the
original religious system of the Han Chinese people (see traditional Chinese
religion), a term used from the second millennium BC to the present day, as
pronounced according the modern Mandarin dialect. Literally the term means
"Above Emperor" or "Above Sovereign", which is taken to mean "Lord On High",
"Highest Lord", "the God above", "the Supreme God", "Above ", or "Celestial
Lord". Its meaning is similar to the term "dyeus" used by Indo-European
peoples. Another title of Shangdi is simply Di (帝).
Shangdi is chiefly
associated with Heaven. From the earliest times of Chinese history, and
especially from the Zhou Dynasty (周朝, 1122 BC to 256 BC) onwards, another
name, Tian (天), is also used to refer to the Supreme God of the Chinese people
(see Heaven worship). Tian is a word with multiple meanings in the ancient
Chinese language; it can either mean the physical sky or the presiding God of
Heaven. When Tian is used in the latter sense, it has the same meaning as
Shangdi. By the time of the Han dynasty, the influential Confucian scholar
Zheng Xuan declared that "Shangdi is another name for Tian".
Shangdi is
also the name given for God
in the Standard Mandarin Union Version of
the Bible. Shen 神 (lit. spirit, or deity) was also adopted by Protestant
missionaries in China to refer to the Christian God.
Shangdi is never
represented with images or idols in Chinese tradition.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi
Very interesting seeing the reflected
Melchizedek truth in the ancient religion of Shang Di.
2500BC Melchizedek missionaries arrived and spread the truth at Fuch See, the
reflected Melchizedek truth
By 2000BC the religion Shang Di was adopted by the Emperor,
600BC The Tao was written by Lao Tze and revived the Universe truth.
Then Confucius a contemporary of LaoTze wrote his book of wisdom.
And not to mention the teachings of MO Ti, service in the love for the Father.
You can see the whole track of the various growth periods and influences of the
common one god religion in its varying forms and perceptions.
And to see it in the images with one book in one hand and through its words you
find the information in the other hands is to me is wonderful and beautiful.
Shangdi (上帝,
pinyin:
Shàngdì,
Wade-GilesShang Ti) is the Supreme
God in the original
religious system of the
Han
Chinese people (see
traditional Chinese religion), a term used from the second millennium BC
to the present day, as pronounced according to the modern Mandarin dialect.
Literally the term means "Above Emperor" or "Above Sovereign", which is taken
to mean "Lord On High", "Highest Lord", "the God above", "the Supreme God",
"Above ", or "Celestial Lord". Another title of
Shangdi is simply Di
(帝). Shangdi is chiefly associated with Heaven. From the earliest times of
Chinese history, and especially from the
Zhou
Dynasty (周朝, 1122 BC to 256 BC) onwards, another name,
Tian (天), is also
used to refer to the Supreme God of the Chinese people (see
Heaven worship). Tian is a word with multiple meanings in the ancient
Chinese language; it can either mean the physical sky or the presiding God of
Heaven. When Tian is used in the latter sense, it has the same meaning as
Shangdi. By the time of the
Han dynasty, the influential Confucian scholar Zheng Xuan declared that "Shangdi
is another name for Tian." Shangdi is never represented with images or idols
in Chinese tradition.
and
Other classics mention Shangdi as well (a formalized
analysis showing the development of the term over time would be useful).
Another "Classic" collection, the
Four
Books (四書, pinyin:
Sì Shū), mentions Shangdi also, but it is a later compilation and the
references are much more sparse and abstract. The highest amount of
occurrences appear to be in the earliest references; and this may reflect the
cultural development (or rejection) towards ShangDi as a whole over time.
One of the five books in the Wujing is the
Classic of History, (書經, pinyin:
Shujing), aka Book of History, aka Esteemed Book (尚書, pinyin: Shangshu).
The Shujing is possibly the earliest narrative of China, and may predate the
European historian Herodotus (about 440 BC) as a history by many centuries.
This implies that Shangdi is the oldest deity directly referenced in China by
any Chinese narrative literature. The Shujing itself is also divided into 5
parts, and those parts were actually considered books as well. However, the
number of books or "documents" is a division that varies largely on the
version or compilation; thus quoted references may not match unless you use
the same compilation.
The 2nd of the 5 "books" inside the Shujing is called the
"Book of Yu" (虞書,
pinyin: Yushu). Yu, in this title, is a location, not the popular hero 禹 Yu.
This "book" has 4 "chapters"; and the 1st "chapter" is called the "Canon of
Shun" (舜典, pinyin: ShunDian).
Emperor Shun was the predecessor to the heroic
Da Yu (大禹), or Great Yu,
the first emperor of the
Xia
Dynasty. About the third sentence is the first mention of ShangDi. And, as
it was mentioned in the previous section how yearly sacrifices to ShangDi were
made by
Emperor Shun,[1]
it appears that, according to Confucius, the Chinese belief in ShangDi
predates the
Xia
Dynasty.
interesting
combined, has the sound of a name I'm familiar with.
Di Da Yu
and more
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da_Yu
Da Yu in
mythology
In many versions of the Flood mythology,
Yu seems to be in possession of god-like characteristics. For example, his
brilliant engineering idea was, according to some, caused by the
"Divine
Favour"
of the "responding dragon and turtle." Yu is further mythologized when it is
claimed that he was born from the corpse of his father, Gun.
According to legend, Yu created the
Sanmenxia"Three Passes
Gorge" by cutting a mountain ridge with a divine battle-axe (Yue)
to control flooding.
Its seems to me that the original religion of Shangdi...Faith, did deteriorate
over time to dragon/snake worship with sacrifices. It appears that the original message
was lost but the base fundamentals of the highest hierarchy was kept intact.
Some links to some pots that have the same triangle motifs like that found of
the pots of 2nd Susa.
Perhaps reflective of the 10 divisions of Dalamatia City divided up into 5
domicile homed divisions.
Perhaps all reflective in design as the land of the Gods.
and this very interesting Vase that contains all the symbols of both Dalamatia
City and 1stEden. The triangles and the concentric circles, all reflective of
the Land of the Gods, the original first places in design and thier symbols.
Alot of these artifacts came from the 3500 Year BC period before the Melchizedek
missionaries and the religions then would of migrated directly from the legends
of Vans highland place and including legends of Dalamatia City and 1stEden with
all their reflective symbols in those days.
The religious influences and symbols would of come with the Andites, a blend of
Nodite and Adamite progeny and including all their reflective symbols of the
cities of the Gods in design.
very interesting!
Sevens
posted
05-19-2008 02:21 AM
Here is another vase with the same Vee
triangle design.
Note that as the years progress the design and symbols become more predominant.
Perhaps evidence of Andite infusion into the general populations with their
skills and knowledge.
The Mogao Caves (aka Mogao Grottoes,
Caves of the Thousand Buddhas, or Caves of Dunhuang) are a system of Buddhist
cave temples near the city of Dunhuang in Gansu province. They were a center
of culture on the Silk Road from the 4th to the 14th centuries and contain a
religious artworks spanning that entire period. There are about 600 surviving
cave temples, of which 30 are open to the public.
Sui Caves (581-618)
The Sui dynasty was short-lived but dynamic, and the caves of this period show
a marked decrease in Western influences. There was a boom in Buddhism and
Buddhist art in this period, and more than 70 caves were carved out at Mogao
in the laste four decades.
The Sui caves dispense with the
central column and replace the bold Wei brushwork with intricate, flowing
lines and an increasingly extravagent use of color (including gold and
silver). Statues become more stiff and inflexible and are dressed in Chinese
robes.
In cave 150 (617 AD), narrative has been replaced with a repeated theme of
enthroned Buddhas and Bodhisattvas. Cave 427 contains some characteristic Sui
figures - short legs, long bodies (symbolizing power and divinity) and big,
square heads.
and
quote:
"At Suifu, two old cypress
trees are worshipped as divinities. It is not that gods dwell in them, but
that the trees themselves are gods. They are said to have been planted in the
Ming Dynasty, or possibly earlier. It is asserted that they once made a
pilgrimage to Mt. Omei. I have been told by aged priests who were experts in
such traditions that very old trees, especially cypress trees, are able, after
many ears, to develop into tree deities. There is a tendency in some
localities to burn incense to aged trees or the stumps of these trees
The Urantia Book But the Salemites did not labor in vain. It was upon the foundations of
their gospel that the great philosophers of sixth-century China built their
teachings. The moral atmosphere and the spiritual sentiments of the
times
of Lao-tse and Confucius grew up out of the teachings of the Salem
missionaries of an earlier age.
Great Discoveries and pathways for
future expeditions.
The location of Suifu is quite interesting in symbolism. Its like two branches
of a river that join and become one. Like the triune! and you have a large hill
right in the middle of the river join.
Its like a triangle mountain. Look familiar and note the house of the Boy God
which shows the mount had spiritual and religious significance.
Another Suifu hill view in front of the triune Hills.
I wonder if the Boy God temple is a dormant prophecy ready to be rediscovered in
truth.
Sevens
posted
05-21-2008 06:25 AM
quote:
The Urantia Book
Lao-tse built directly upon the concepts of the Salem traditions when he
declared Tao to be the One First Cause of all creation. Lao was a man of
great spiritual vision. He taught that "man's eternal destiny was
everlasting union with Tao, Supreme God and Universal King."
His
comprehension of ultimate causation was most discerning, for he wrote: "Unity
arises out of the Absolute Tao, and from Unity there appears cosmic Duality,
and from such Duality, Trinity springs forth into existence, and Trinity is
the primal source of all reality." "All reality is ever in balance between the
potentials and the actuals of the cosmos, and these are eternally harmonized
by the spirit of divinity."
Lao-tse also made one of the earliest presentations of the doctrine of
returning good for evil: "Goodness begets goodness, but to the one who is
truly good, evil also begets goodness."
He taught the return of the creature to the Creator and pictured life as the
emergence of a personality from the cosmic potentials, while death was like
the
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returning home of this creature personality. His concept of true faith was
unusual, and he too likened it to the "attitude of a little child."
His understanding of the eternal purpose of God was clear, for he said: "The
Absolute Deity does not strive but is always victorious; he does not coerce
mankind but always stands ready to respond to their true desires; the will of
God is eternal in patience and eternal in the inevitability of its
expression." And of the true religionist he said, in expressing the truth
that it is more blessed to give than to receive:
"The good man seeks not to
retain truth for himself but rather attempts to bestow these riches upon his
fellows, for that is the realization of truth.The will of the
Absolute God always benefits, never destroys; the purpose of the true believer
is always to act but never to coerce."
Lao's teaching of nonresistance and the distinction which he made between
action and coercion became later perverted into the beliefs of "seeing,
doing, and thinking nothing." But Lao never taught such error, albeit his
presentation of nonresistance has been a factor in the further development of
the pacific predilections of the Chinese peoples.
But the popular Taoism of twentieth-century Urantia has very little in common
with the lofty sentiments and the cosmic concepts of the old philosopher who
taught the truth as he perceived it, which was:
That faith in the
Absolute God is the source of that divine energy which will remake the
world , and by which man ascends to spiritual union with Tao, the Eternal
Deity and Creator Absolute of the universes.
7.
GAUTAMA SIDDHARTHA
Contemporary with Lao-tse and Confucius in China, another great teacher of
truth arose in India. Gautama Siddhartha was born in the sixth century before
Christ in the north Indian province of Nepal. His followers later made it
appear that he was the son of a fabulously wealthy ruler, but, in truth, he
was the heir apparent to the throne of a petty chieftain who ruled by
sufferance over a small and secluded mountain valley in the southern
Himalayas.
Gautama formulated those theories which grew into the philosophy of Buddhism
after six years of the futile practice of Yoga. Siddhartha made a determined
but unavailing fight against the growing caste system. There was a lofty
sincerity and a unique unselfishness about this young prophet prince
that
greatly appealed to the men of those days. He detracted from the practice
of seeking individual salvation through physical affliction and personal pain.
And he exhorted his followers to carry his gospel to all the world.
Amid the confusion and extreme cult practices of India, the saner and more
moderate teachings of Gautama came as a refreshing relief. He denounced gods,
priests, and their sacrifices, but he too failed to perceive the personality
of the One Universal. Not believing in the existence of individual human
souls, Gautama, of course, made a valiant fight against the time-honored
belief in transmigration of the soul. He made a noble effort to deliver men
from fear, to make them feel at ease and at home in the great universe,
but he failed to show them the pathway
to that real and supernal home
of ascending mortals--Paradise--and to the expanding service of eternal
existence.
Gautama was a real prophet, and had he heeded the instruction
of the hermit
Godad , he might have aroused all India by the inspiration of the revival
of the Salem gospel of salvation by faith. Godad was descended through a
family that had never lost the traditions of the Melchizedek missionaries.
At Benares Gautama founded his school, and it was during its second
year that a pupil, Bautan, imparted to his teacher the traditions of the
Salem missionaries about the Melchizedek covenant with Abraham; and while
Siddhartha did not have a very clear concept of the Universal Father, he took
an advanced stand on salvation through faith--simple belief . He so
declared himself before his followers and began sending his students out in
groups of sixty to proclaim to the people of India
"the glad tidings of
free salvation; that all men, high and low, can attain bliss by faith in
righteousness and justice."
Gautama's wife believed her husband's gospel and was the founder of an order
of nuns. His son became his successor and greatly extended the cult; he
Page 1036 When proclaimed at its best, Gautama's gospel of universal salvation, free
from sacrifice, torture, ritual, and priests, was a revolutionary and amazing
doctrine for its time.
grasped the new idea of salvation through faith but in his later years wavered
regarding the Salem gospel of divine favor through faith alone, and in his old
age his dying words were, "Work out your own salvation."
it still persists as the hope of millions of human beings. And it came
surprisingly near to being a revival of the Salem gospel. It brought succor to
millions of despairing souls, and notwithstanding its grotesque perversion
during later centuries,
Siddhartha taught far more truth than has survived in the modern cults bearing
his name. Modern Buddhism is no more the teachings of Gautama Siddhartha
than is Christianity the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth .
Varanasi (Sanskrit: वाराणसी Vārāṇasī,
pronunciation [ʋaːɾaːɳəsiː] (help·info)), also commonly known as
Benares
([bə.naː.rəs]) or Banaras (Hindi: बनारस, Urdu: بنارس, Banāras
pronunciation [bənɑːɾəs] (info)) and Kashi (Hindi: काशी Kāśī [kaː.ʃiː]
(info)), is a city situated on the left (west) bank of the river Ganga
(Ganges) in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh , regarded as holy by
Hindus, Buddhists and Jains, and one of the oldest continually inhabited
cities in the world[3][4].
The culture of Varanasi is closely associated with the river Ganges and the
river's religious importance. The city has been a cultural and religious
centre in northern India for several thousand years. A particular style of
classical Hindustani music developed in Varanasi centuries ago, and many
prominent Indian philosophers, poets, writers, and musicians resided or reside
in Varanasi, including Kabir, Ravi Das, Munshi Premchand, Jaishankar Prasad,
Acharya Ram Chandra Shukla, Pandit Ravi Shankar, Hariprasad Chaurasia, and
Ustad Bismillah Khan. Tulsidas wrote his Ramacharitamanas there,
and
Gautama Buddha gave his first sermon at Sarnath near Kashi.
Ayurveda is
said to have originated at Varanasi.
Varanasi is the home of Banaras Hindu University. Residents mainly speak
Kashika Bhojpuri, which is closely related to the Hindi language. People often
refer to Varanasi as "the city of temples", "the holy city of India", "the
religious capital of India", "the city of light", "the city of learning"
and the "culture capital of India".[5]
American writer Mark Twain wrote, "Benares is older than history, older than
tradition, older even than legend, and looks twice as old as all of them put
together."[6]
The State of Utter Pradesh India.
and the city of Varanasi or Benares.
An information confirming the location of Gutama Siddartha.
Conception and birth
Siddhārtha was born more than 200 years before the reign of the Maurya king
Aśoka (273–232 BCE).
The birth of Siddhartha, (2nd-3rd century). Siddhartha was born in
Lumbini[1] and raised in the small kingdom or principality of Kapilavastu. His
father was King Suddhodana[citation needed], the chief of the Shakya nation,
one of several ancient tribes in the growing state of Kosala; Gautama was
the family name. As was the Shakya tradition, when his mother Queen Maya fell
pregnant, she returned to her father's kingdom to give birth, but after
leaving Kapilvastu, she gave birth along the way at
Lumbini in a garden
beneath a sal tree.
and information on Kosala
quote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosala
Kosala (Sanskrit: कोशल) was an ancient Indian Aryan kingdom, corresponding
roughly in area with the region of Oudh. In sixth century BCE, Kosala
formed one of the sixteen powerful realms of India (Mahajanapadas), and its
cultural and political strength earned it the status of great power. Shravasti
was the capital of Kosala Kingdom between 6th century BC to 6th century AD.
However, it was later weakened by a series of wars with the neighboring
kingdom of Magadha and, in the 4th century BC, was finally absorbed by it.
Kosala was the setting of much Sanskrit epic literature including the
Ramayana, being ruled by the Raghuvamsa (Dynasty of Raghu) the family from
which Rama hails. Buddha and Mahavira, the 24th Tirthankara of Jainism, taught
in the kingdom. The King of Kosala was named King Pasenadi, and who was a
follower of Buddha.
and information on Lubini, its
probably where his Fathers little Kingdom existed in a valley in the foothills
of the Himalayas.
Lumbini (Sanskrit: लुम्बिनी, "the lovely") is a Buddhist pilgrimage site
located in Rupandehi District, Lumbini Zone of Nepal, near the Indian border.
It is the place where Mayadevi gave birth to Siddhartha Gautama, who later
became a Buddha (Gautama Buddha), and founded the religion of Buddhism.
Gautama Buddha lived between approximately 563 BCE and 483 BCE. For
Buddhists, this is one of the four main pilgrimage sites based around the life
of Gautama Buddha, the other three being Kushinagar, Bodh Gaya, and Sarnath.
Lumbini is located in the foothill of Himalaya [1] and 25 km east of the
municipality of Kapilavastu , the place where the Buddha grew up and lived
up to the age of 29. Kapilvastu is the name of place as well as the
neighbouring district. Lumbini has various Buddhist temples including the
Mayadevi temple and many which are presently (2007) under construction. There
is also the Puskarini pond and remains of Kapilvastu palace in Lumbini. There
are other sites near Lumbini where, according to Buddhist tradition, previous
Buddhas were born and achieved enlightenment and died.
Here is a Map and Lumbini is located
to the South.
and here is the small secluded highland valley where Gautama Siddhartha was Born
Lumbini. His father was the chieftain South or of Annapurna.
A Royal temple in Lubini, the home of Buddha, note the circles of the temple
design!
PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS
IN THE ORIENT,
line 175: Buddhism prospered because it offered salvation through belief in
the Buddha, the enlightened one. It was more representative of the
Melchizedek truths than any other religious system to be found throughout
eastern Asia.
But Buddhism did not become widespread as a religion until it was espoused in
self-protection by the low-caste monarch Asoka, who,
next to
Ikhnaton in Egypt , was one of the most remarkable civil rulers between
Melchizedek and Michael.
Asoka built a great Indian empire through the propaganda of his Buddhist
missionaries. During a period of twenty-five years he trained and sent forth
more than seventeen thousand missionaries to the farthest frontiers of all the
known world.
In one generation he made Buddhism the dominant religion of one half the
world. It soon became established in Tibet, Kashmir, Ceylon, Burma, Java,
Siam, Korea, China, and Japan.
And generally speaking, it was a religion vastly superior to those which it
supplanted or upstepped.
Wow! Asoka is an amazing character and
who influenced some many people with his thoughts and action in Buddhism.
Asoka (Devanāgarī: अशोकः, IAST:
Aśokaḥ, IPA: [aɕoːkə(hə)], Prakrit Imperial title: Devanampriya Priyadarsi (Devanāgarī:
देवानांप्रिय प्रियदर्शी), "He who is the beloved of the Gods and who regards
everyone amiably") and Dhamma (Devanāgarī: धम्मः),
"Lawful, Religious,
Righteous") (304 BC – 232 BC) was an Indian emperor, of the Maurya Dynasty who
ruled from 273 BC to 232 BC. Often cited as one of India's greatest
emperors, Ashoka reigned over most of present-day India after a number of
military conquests. His empire stretched from present-day Pakistan,
Afghanistan and parts of Persia in the west, to the present-day Bengal and
Assam states of India in the east, and as far south as the Mysore state. His
reign was headquartered in Magadha (present-day Bihar state of India). He
embraced Buddhism from the prevalent Vedic tradition after witnessing the mass
deaths of the war of Kalinga, which he himself had waged out of a desire for
conquest. He was later dedicated in the propagation of Buddhism across Asia
and established monuments marking several significant sites in the life of
Gautama Buddha.
His name "aśoka" means "without sorrow" in Sanskrit. In his edicts, he is
referred to as Devānāmpriya (Devanāgarī: देवानांप्रिय)/Devānaṃpiya or
"The
Beloved Of The Gods", and Priyadarśin (Devanāgarī: प्रियदर्शी)/Piyadassī
or "He who regards everyone amiably".
Science fiction novelist H. G. Wells wrote of Asoka:
In the history of the world there have been thousands of kings and emperors
who called themselves 'their highnesses,' 'their majesties,' and 'their
exalted majesties' and so on. They shone for a brief moment, and as quickly
disappeared. But Ashoka shines and shines brightly like a bright star, even
unto this day.
Along with the Edicts of Ashoka, his legend is related in the later 2nd
century Aśokāvadāna ("Narrative of Asoka") and
Divyāvadāna
("Divine narrative"), and in the Sinhalese text
Mahavamsa ("Great
Chronicle").
An emblem excavated from his empire is today the national emblem of India.
and here are the cities where he left
his mark, his edits
Introduction
Asoka (c. 300-232 BCE) was born into the Mauryan royal family. After his
father’s death, he became in 270 BCE the ruler of an empire extending from
Afghanistan to Bengal, and covering the Ganges plain and the Deccan plateau.
He pushed out the boundaries of his empire during the next decade, conquering
Kalinga in 262 BCE. In this way he unified nearly all of India under his rule.
He converted to Buddhism in 260 BCE and thenceforth propagated ideals of
tolerance, equality, and public service.
After his conversion, Asoka promulgated the main ethical teachings of the
Buddha, expressed in what Asoka referred to as the Dharma. He did this by
means of traveling ministers (Dharma-Mhamatras) and by having edicts setting
forth his philosophy carved into stone pillars and cliff faces. He expressed
remorse over the loss of life and suffering caused by his seizure of Kalinga,
and decreed that in future the only form of conquest should be by the
diffusion of Buddha’s teachings. In keeping with his philosophy, Asoka
instituted various public works—such as the digging of wells and planting of
shade trees—and attempted to provide health services for all.
What we know of Asoka’s life comes from the stone edicts, which contain his
own words, and from legends that were initially handed down orally but later
were set down in manuscripts. Most of the legends appear to be the words of
monks anxious to impress the laity with stories of the miraculous.
But
there is also an account of a third Buddhist council convened by Asoka, where
an attempt was made to reconcile the practices of the many different Buddhist
sects emerging over three centuries.
The interpretation Asoka gave to the teachings of the Buddha can only be
inferred from the inscriptions that remain. He makes no mention of the Four
Noble Truths or the Eightfold Way, but emphasizes the everyday, practical
parts of the latter. In general, Asoka appears to have interpreted the
Dharma as law, duty, and righteousness, elaborating it as a prohibition of
the killing of men or animals, a social policy of welfare, and as admonitions
to observe ethical behavior and religious tolerance. That these ideals
should be propagated by monuments designed to endure the centuries shows a
humanistic concern that receives little emphasis in the monuments of Egypt and
Babylon. Extracts from the words of Asoka contained in his edicts follow.
and the four River valley religions from the one source influenced by the
Melchizedek Missionaries in different cultures and other later prophets.
Sevens
posted
05-23-2008 01:18 PM
quote:
9. THE SPREAD OF BUDDHISM
Buddhism prospered because it offered salvation through belief in the Buddha,
the enlightened one. It was more representative of the Melchizedek truths than
any other religious system to be found throughout eastern Asia. But Buddhism
did not become widespread as a religion until it was espoused in
self-protection by the low-caste monarch Asoka, who, next to Ikhnaton in
Egypt, was one of the most remarkable civil rulers between Melchizedek and
Michael. Asoka built a great Indian empire through the propaganda of his
Buddhist missionaries. During a period of twenty-five years he trained and
sent forth more than seventeen thousand missionaries to the farthest frontiers
of all the known world. In one generation he made Buddhism the dominant
religion of one half the world. It soon became established in Tibet, Kashmir,
Ceylon, Burma, Java, Siam, Korea, China, and Japan. And generally speaking, it
was a religion vastly superior to those which it supplanted or upstepped.
The spread of Buddhism from its homeland in India to all of Asia is one of
the thrilling stories of the spiritual devotion and missionary persistence of
sincere religionists. The teachers of Gautama's gospel not only braved the
perils of the overland caravan routes but faced the dangers of the China Seas
as they pursued their mission over the Asiatic continent, bringing to all
peoples the message of their faith.
But this Buddhism was no longer the simple doctrine of Gautama; it was the
miraculized gospel which made him a god.
And the farther Buddhism spread from its highland home in India, the more
unlike the teachings of Gautama it became, and the more like the religions it
supplanted, it grew to be.
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Buddhism, later on, was much affected by Taoism in China, Shinto in Japan,
and Christianity in Tibet. After a thousand years, in India Buddhism simply
withered and expired.
It became Brahmanized and later abjectly surrendered to Islam, while
throughout much of the rest of the Orient it degenerated into a ritual
which Gautama Siddhartha would never have recognized.
In the south the fundamentalist stereotype of the teachings of Siddhartha
persisted in Ceylon, Burma, and the Indo-China peninsula.
This is the
Hinayana division of Buddhism which clings to the early or asocial doctrine.
But even before the collapse in India, the Chinese and north Indian groups of
Gautama's followers had begun the development of the
Mahayana teaching of
the "Great Road" to salvation in contrast with the purists of the south
who held to the Hinayana, or "Lesser Road."
And these Mahayanists cast loose from the social limitations inherent in the
Buddhist doctrine, and ever since has this northern division of Buddhism
continued to evolve in China and Japan.
Buddhism is a living, growing religion today because
it succeeds in
conserving many of the highest moral values of its adherents. It promotes
calmness and self-control, augments serenity and happiness, and does much to
prevent sorrow and mourning. Those who believe this philosophy live
better lives than many who do not.
sevens
posted
05-23-2008 01:31 PM
and this good excerpt about Buddhism
quote:
12. THE GOD CONCEPT OF BUDDHISM
The great weakness in the cosmology of Buddhism was twofold: its contamination
with many of the superstitions of India and China and its sublimation of
Gautama, first as the enlightened one, and then as the Eternal Buddha. Just as
Christianity has suffered from the absorption of much erroneous human
philosophy, so does Buddhism bear its human birthmark. But the teachings of
Gautama have continued to evolve during the past two and one-half millenniums.
The concept of Buddha, to an enlightened Buddhist, is no more the human
personality of Gautama than the concept of Jehovah is identical with the
spirit demon of Horeb to an enlightened Christian. Paucity of terminology,
together with the sentimental retention of olden nomenclature, is often
provocative of the failure to understand the true significance of the
evolution of religious concepts.
Gradually the concept of God, as contrasted with the Absolute, began to appear
in Buddhism. Its sources are back in the early days of this differentiation of
the followers of the Lesser Road and the Greater Road. It was among the latter
division of Buddhism that the dual conception of God and the Absolute finally
matured. Step by step, century by century, the God concept has evolved until,
with the teachings of Ryonin, Honen Shonin, and Shinran in Japan, this concept
finally came to fruit in the belief in Amida Buddha.
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Among these believers it is taught that the soul, upon experiencing death, may
elect to enjoy a sojourn in Paradise prior to entering Nirvana, the ultimate
of existence. It is proclaimed that this new salvation is attained by faith
in the divine mercies and loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the
west.In their philosophy, the Amidists hold to an Infinite Reality
which is beyond all finite mortal comprehension; in their religion, they cling
to faith in the all-merciful Amida, who so loves the world that he will not
suffer one mortal who calls on his name in true faith and with a pure heart to
fail in the attainment of the supernal happiness of Paradise.
The great strength of Buddhism is that its adherents are free to choose truth
from all religions; such freedom of choice has seldom characterized a Urantian
faith. In this respect
the Shin sect of Japan has become one of the
most progressive religious groups in the world; it has revived the ancient
missionary spirit of Gautama's followers and has begun to send teachers to
other peoples.
This willingness to appropriate truth from any and all sources is indeed
a commendable tendency to appear among religious believers during the first
half of the twentieth century after Christ.
The desire to learn has been rekindled in the hearts of the monk priests of
the brotherhood, and the spread of education throughout this faith will be
certainly provocative of new advances in religious evolution.Buddhism
itself is undergoing a twentieth-century renaissance. Through contact with
Christianity the social aspects of Buddhism have been greatly enhanced.
At the time of this writing, much of Asia rests its hope in Buddhism. Will
this noble faith, that has so valiantly carried on through the dark ages of
the past, once again receive the truth of expanded cosmic realities even as
the disciples of the great teacher in India once listened to his proclamation
of new truth? Will this ancient faith respond once more to the invigorating
stimulus of the presentation of new concepts of God and the Absolute for which
it has so long searched?
All Urantia is waiting for the proclamation of the ennobling message of
Michael, unencumbered by the accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen
centuries of contact with the religions of evolutionary origin.The
hour is striking for presenting to Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism,
even to the peoples of all faiths, not the gospel about Jesus, but the living,
spiritual reality of the gospel of Jesus.
Here is a very interesting fragment about the characteristics of the Shin Sect
confirming the Urantia Book
Shin Sect Urantia Book
quote:
Is Shin Buddhism the same as
Christianity?
by Rev. Philipp Karl Eidmann
In the sixteenth century European Christian missionaries first came to China
and Japan. In meeting the Buddhists of China and Japan, the missionaries saw
many things that reminded them of Christianity. They saw similarities in the
Buddhist and Christian services. They thought they also saw similarities in
Christian and Buddhist books and doctrines.
The early Christian missionaries were disturbed by these apparent
similarities. They decided that Satan had invented a counterfeit Christianity
to lead people astray and to keep them from following the true Christian
teachings. Later scholars discovered that in ancient days there had been
Nestorian Christian churches in China. After this discovery, some Westerners
came to believe that the similarities between Buddhism and Christianity were
the result of the influence of Nestorian Christians.
Many Christians have thought they saw ancient Christian influence in the
teachings of every sect of Buddhism. However, they have always held that this
influence was strongest in the teachings of the Pure Realm schools of China
and Japan.
There are a number of schools and sects which follow the Pure Realm doctrines.
They differ in many minor respects, but they are all based upon the same
scriptures and commentaries. About one-half of the Buddhists of China and
Japan are followers of these schools.
In Western lands, too, there are many followers of Pure Realm Buddhism. One of
these schools, the Hongwanji school of the Shin sect, is among the most active
Buddhist missionary groups in modern times. The Hongwanji has carried the Pure
Realm teachings to Siberia, Korea, Hong Kong, Malaya, the Philippines, the
South Sea Islands, Hawaii, Canada, the United States, Mexico, Brazil, Peru and
other countries.
Step by step, century by century, the God concept has evolved until,
with
the teachings of Ryonin, Honen Shonin, and Shinran in Japan, this concept
finally came to fruit in the belief in Amida Buddha.
Jodo Shinshu itself has many sub-sects. The largest branch is the Hongwanji-ha
sect. This sub-sect is further divided into two types, Hongwanji-ha Hongwanji,
shortly called Honpa Hongwanji (or more commonly, Nishi-Hongwanji) and Daiha
Hongwanji, or Otani Hongwanji, more commonly referred to as Higashi-Hongwanji.
None of these can be broken down further, and Nishi is the larger of the two.
In the United States the Nishi-Hongwanji operates as the Buddhist Churches of
America.
the ub fragment
loving care of Amida, God of the Paradise in the west.
and
Shin Buddhism is a Pure Land denomination originating in Japan in the 13th
century, though Pure Land tradition and teaching has a long history going back
to India.
Dharmakara did indeed fulfil all his promises, the Buddha continued. He attained
Buddahood, and he created his Pure Land in the West. It was full of
exquisite trees and flowers and birds, and musical instruments playing of their
own accord, where he himself, now called Amida Buddha, would welcome newly
reborn people and show them the path to enlightenment.
The basis of the Pure Land faith, therefore, is absolute trust in the
efficacy, of Amida's Forty eight Vows. Amida may have existed in the
inconceivably remote past, but his Pure Land in the West still exists,
and his Eighteenth and Nineteenth Vows have by no means lost their efficacy. Do
not worry any longer about a terrible rebirth in hell because you find you
cannot carry out daunting spiritual practices, or understand the scholastic
complexities which earlier Buddhist sects draw from the Lotus Sutra or the
Prajnaparamita Sutra. Simply put your trust in Amida's Vows, repeat his Name on
your death bed, and you may be very sure that he will come down to meet you,
with a retinue of bodhisattvas playing exquisite music, and will conduct you to
his own Pure Land. And the invocation of his Name is not difficult; it is only
the six syllables Namu Amida Butsu, known as the nembutsu.
Just think that we are discovering the first Pure Land of Dalamatia City and the
history of it.
And more from the link that appears to have the same metaphor as the current
journey to the Land of the Tree of Life. Dalamatia City and 1Eden. It appears to
have all reflections of the Land of Paradise to the West.
quote:
A third genre of painting
distinctive to the Pure Land sects is that known as Niga byakudo,
the White
Path between Two Rivers. Here we see a man journeying westward in the hope of
finding the paradise of Amida . Suddenly he sees to his left a river of
raging flames, and to his right another river of raging waters. Between the
two lies a white path, so narrow that the flames from the left leap over it,
and are not quenched by the waves washing from the right. Behind him, he now
realises, the way is blocked by swarms of robbers and fierce wild beasts. In
desperation he steps on to the White Path. At once he hears a voice from
the western shore, calling him forward and promising protection. It is the
voice of Amida. At once he takes courage, safely traverses the White Path to
the western shore, where no fire or water or robbers can harm him.
This parable originally appeared ill Shan-tao’s famous Commentary on
the Contemplation Sutra. It was often quoted by Honen to disciples wavering in
their faith, and paintings of the scene too, from the thirteenth century
onwards, have reassured people who fall into doubt about the efficacy of
Amida's Vows.
Few Western Buddhists tend to be drawn to the Pure Land sects. Zen, Theravada
and Tibetan Buddhism have proved more congenial paths for those who leave
Christianity for Buddhism. The Amidist faith, they say, is too similar to
Christianity to tempt them away; they might as well remain Christians. Those
who have found their true path in Amida and his nembutsu, however,
often
declare that it is the form of Buddhism best suited to the times in which we
live. For we are now indubitably in the last state of the Law, call it mappo
or Kali Yuga or the Eleventh Hour, or what you will. We have to recognise,
they continue, that we are less capable now of following the Buddha's Law by
our own efforts than were our ancestors in the earlier stages of the cycle. As
Rene Guenon memorably described the symptoms of the Reign of Quantity, our
access upwards to celestial help is blocked, while the ‘fissures in the Great
Wall’ below open the way for invasion by inferior subtle influences from the
lower domain.
The multiple states of being are forgotten, and truth is seen as mechanised,
solidified and reduced to the lowest material level of the hierarchy. In
such times, it is much more difficult to ‘do it ourselves’
successfully; we would be well advised therefore to throw ourselves on the
grace and mercy of Amida and his compassionate Vows.
Namu Amida Butsu is all that we have to repeat, they say, and in time we shall
find that it is not we who are repeating the invocation, but Amida himself.
Seems to have all the reflections.
Dont you think the following description of the Paradise to the West has all the
reflections of the current journey to the the Land of the Pure, the land of the
tree of Life, the City of Dalamatia and 1stEden. The Cities and the rivers. Like
the journey and what is discovered on the spiritual path and responding to the
Voice of the Father from within stepping each day in faith working with the
books of all religion piecing the puzzle together.
quote:
the White Path between Two
Rivers. Here we see a man journeying westward in the hope of finding the
paradise of Amida . Suddenly he sees to his left a river of raging flames,
and to his right another river of raging waters. Between the two lies a white
path, so narrow that the flames from the left leap over it, and are not
quenched by the waves washing from the right. Behind him, he now realises, the
way is blocked by swarms of robbers and fierce wild beasts. In desperation he
steps on to the White Path. At once he hears a voice from the western
shore, calling him forward and promising protection. It is the voice of Amida.
At once he takes courage, safely traverses the White Path to the western
shore, where no fire or water or robbers can harm him.
At this point I just say praise the
Lord!
I think making these bridges with other religions on commonality that normal
people can follow is just beautiful and its leads to an upgrade of Jesus'
teaching as recorded by the Angels through the Urantia Book. Teachings that
redefines, widens and deepens religion for man and offers good correction but in
an enlightened way where it can tested and proved. Its also brings a oneness
into aspect as we closer to the great discoveries of mankind and the truth of
his origins. All preparing the "Great White Path" for the great advent of
Jesus, Lord and Master of Planet Urantia.
Remember the The Pure Land Sect of Buddhism is commended in accepting other
religions.
All its is also commended of appropriating truth from any and all sources to
bringing to bear truth.
quote:
This willingness to appropriate
truth from any and all sources is indeed a commendable tendency to appear
among religious believers during the first half of the twentieth century after
Christ.
The above commendation also applies to
this journey to the ancient places and its construct in appropriating truth, no
matter the source and how it is shared with my fellow brothers on the run.
Jesus words from the Urantia Book
quote:
"Your Buddha was much better than
your Buddhism. Buddha was a great man, even a prophet to his people, but he
was an orphan prophet; by that I mean that he early lost sight of his
spiritual Father, the Father in heaven. His experience was tragic. He tried to
live and teach as a messenger of God, but without God. Buddha guided his ship
of salvation right up to the safe harbor, right up to the entrance to the
haven of mortal salvation, and there, because of faulty charts of navigation,
the good ship ran aground. There it has rested these many generations,
motionless and almost hopelessly stranded. And thereon have many of your
people remained all these years. They live within hailing distance of the safe
waters of rest, but they refuse to enter because the noble craft of the good
Buddha met the misfortune of grounding just outside the harbor.
Its seems that Buddhism has to go
through an expansion to fill the missing gaps that will complete Buddhism.
yea!
Sevens
posted
05-23-2008 03:52 PM
The Urantia Book
quote:
All Urantia is waiting for the
proclamation of the ennobling message of Michael, unencumbered by the
accumulated doctrines and dogmas of nineteen centuries of contact with the
religions of evolutionary origin. The hour is striking for presenting to
Buddhism, to Christianity, to Hinduism, even to the peoples of all faiths, not
the gospel about Jesus, but the living, spiritual reality of the gospel of
Jesus.
The hour is NOW!
Right NOW in this INSTANT! NOW! RIGHT NOW!
Thats when the time is NOW!
Through these series of Posts which makes connection with current knowledge.
These are the Paths to Chinese and Japanese religion through the paths of the
Angels to the recording of Jesus' teaching as through the Urantia Book. All
pathways that can be expended and developed further.
But NOW is the time for the Supernal presentations! to occur!
Sevens
posted
05-24-2008 01:43 AM
quote:
The Urantia Book
In the south the fundamentalist stereotype of the teachings of Siddhartha
persisted in Ceylon, Burma, and the Indo-China peninsula. This is the Hinayana
division of Buddhism which clings to the early or asocial doctrine.
But even before the collapse in India, the Chinese and north Indian groups of
Gautama's followers had begun the development of the Mahayana teaching of
the "Great Road" to salvation in contrast with the purists of the south who
held to the Hinayana, or "Lesser Road."
And these Mahayanists cast loose from the social limitations inherent in the
Buddhist doctrine, and ever since has this northern division of Buddhism
continued to evolve in China and Japan.
Doctrine
Few things can be said with certainty about Mahayana Buddhism, especially its
early Indian form, other than that the Buddhism practiced in China, Vietnam,
Korea, Tibet, and Japan is Mahayana Buddhism.[10][11] Mahayana can be
described as a loosely bound bundle of many teachings, which was thus able to
contain the various contradictions found between those differing teachings of
whose elements it is comprised.[12]
Mahayana is a vast religious and philosophical structure. It constitutes an
inclusive faith characterized by the adoption of new, Mahayana sutras, in
addition to the traditional Pali canon or Agama texts, and a shift in the
basic purpose and concepts of Buddhism. Mahayana sees itself as penetrating
further and more profoundly into the Buddha's Dharma.
In the
Mahaparinirvana Sutra, for instance, the Buddha tells of how his initial
teachings on suffering, impermanence and non-Self were given to those who were
still like "small children", unable to digest the full "meal" of Truth,
whereas when those spiritual students "grow up" and are no longer
satisfied by the preliminary ingredients of the Dharmic meal fed to them and
require fuller sustenance, they are then ready to assimilate the full and
balanced fare of the Mahayana teachings (Mahaparinirvana Sutra).
Theravada Buddhism focused primarily
on meditation and concentration, the eighth of the Eightfold Noble Path; as a
result, it centered on a monastic life and an extreme expenditure of time in
meditating. This left little room for the bulk of humanity to join in, so a
new schism erupted within the ranks of Buddhism in the first century AD, one
that would attempt to reformulate the teachings of Buddha to accomodate a
greater number of people. They called their new Buddhism, the "Greater
Vehicle" (literally, "The Greater Ox-Cart") or Mahayana, since it could
accomodate more people and more believers from all walks of life. They
distinguished themselves from mainstream Theravada Buddhism by contemptuously
referring to Theravada as Hinayana, or "The Lesser Vehicle."
The Mahayanists, however, did not see themselves as creating a new start for
Buddhism, rather they claimed to be recovering the original teachings of
Buddha, in much the same way that the Protestant reformers of sixteenth
century Europe claimed that they were not creating a new Christianity but
recovering the original form. The Mahayanists claimed that their canon of
scriptures represented the final teachings of Buddha; they accounted for the
non-presence of these teachings in over five hundred years by claiming that
these were secret teachings entrusted only to the most faithful followers
Its interesting to see from the
outside in, all the various transformation that Buddhism has been through in the
timeline of history to our time. It seem the latest transmutation was the Shin
Pure land sect of Buddhism.
Then exclaimed Ganid: "Teacher,
let's you and I make a new religion, one good enough for India and big enough
for Rome, and maybe we can trade it to the Jews for Yahweh." And Jesus
replied: "Ganid, religions are not made. The religions of men grow up over
long periods of time, while the revelations of God flash upon earth in the
lives of the men who reveal God to their fellows." But they did not comprehend
the meaning of these prophetic words.
That night after they had retired, Ganid could not sleep. He talked a long
time with his father and finally said, "You know, father, I sometimes think
Joshua is a prophet." And his father only sleepily replied, "My son, there are
others--"
From this day, for the remainder of his natural life, Ganid continued to
evolve a religion of his own. He was mightily moved in his own mind by Jesus'
broadmindedness, fairness, and tolerance. In all their discussions of
philosophy and religion this youth never experienced feelings of resentment or
reactions of antagonism.
What a scene for the celestial intelligences to behold, this spectacle of the
Indian lad proposing to the Creator of a universe that they make a new
religion! And though the young man did not know it, they were making a new
and everlasting religion right then and there--this new way of salvation, the
revelation of God to man through, and in, Jesus. That which the lad wanted
most to do he was unconsciously actually doing. And it was, and is, ever
thus. That which the enlightened and reflective human imagination of
spiritual teaching and leading wholeheartedly and unselfishly wants to do and
be, becomes measurably creative in accordance with the degree of mortal
dedication to the divine doing of the Father's will. When man goes in
partnership with God, great things may, and do, happen.
Sevens
posted
05-24-2008 03:40 AM
quote:
The Urantia Book The sea of glass, the receiving area of Edentia, is near the administrative
center and is encircled by the headquarters amphitheater.
The Melchizedeks also maintain two special colleges on Edentia. One, the
emergency school, is devoted to the study of problems growing out of the
Satania rebellion. The other, the bestowal school, is dedicated to the mastery
of the new problems arising out of the fact that Michael made his final
bestowal on one of the worlds of Norlatiadek. This latter college was
established almost forty thousand years ago, immediately after the
announcement by Michael that Urantia had been selected as the world for his
final bestowal.
Surrounding this area are the governing centers for the seventy divisions of
constellation affairs. One half of Edentia is divided into seventy
triangular sections, whose boundaries converge at the headquarters buildings
of their respective sectors. The remainder of this sphere is one vast
natural park, the gardens of God.
The Universe Capital appears to be
circular amphitheater which adjoins a triangle city, the rest of the area is
parklands.
I have to say that the triangle city of Edentia is similiar in design to that of
Dalamatia City, the first city submerged in the Persian Gulf.
The Edentia sea of glass is one
enormous circular crystal about one hundred miles in circumference and about
thirty miles in depth . This magnificent crystal serves as the receiving
field for all transport seraphim and other beings arriving from points outside
the sphere; such a sea of glass greatly facilitates the landing of transport
seraphim.
A crystal field on this order is found on almost all architectural worlds; and
it serves many purposes aside from its decorative value,
being utilized for
portraying superuniverse reflectivity to assembled groups and as a factor in
the energy-transformation technique for modifying the currents of space and
for adapting other incoming physical-energy streams.
Which brings me to this
Is this circular structure below the Southern end of the temple of Dalamatia
City a receiver of some sort? Perhaps a communication device for
interdimensional space communications?? It seems to be a large circular feature
next to the temple maybe a device that was used when the times where stable in
the City.
Or it simply could be a junction for defense or water distribution.
and the City overview
Sevens
posted
05-25-2008 01:53 AM
I wonder if the ruins of Nisa near the
City Ashgabat was built upon the location of the ancient city of Adonia around
8000BC
quote:
The Urantia Book
By 8000 B.C. the slowly increasing aridity of the highland regions of
central Asia began to drive the Andites to the river bottoms and the
seashores. This increasing drought not only drove them to the valleys of the
Nile, Euphrates, Indus, and Yellow rivers, but it produced a new development
in Andite civilization. A new class of men, the traders, began to appear in
large numbers.
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When climatic conditions made hunting unprofitable for the migrating Andites,
they did not follow the evolutionary course of the older races by becoming
herders. Commerce and urban life made their appearance. From Egypt
through Mesopotamia and Turkestan to the rivers of China and India, the more
highly civilized tribes began to assemble in cities devoted to manufacture and
trade. Adonia became the central Asian commercial metropolis, being located
near the present city of Ashkhabad. Commerce in stone, metal, wood, and
pottery was accelerated on both land and water.
Then again all the others haven't got anything
concrete so why would your paper be excluded considering Atlantis in Israel is
right next to 1Eden, land of Adam and Eve 38,000 years ago.
If anything, you're closer to the truth than any other researcher beside myself
ahahahahahahahahahahaha just joking!
I certainly think that Atlantis in Israel is close considering the rings of
Bashan 7000 years ago. All little reminders to a prominent location close by but
submerged with symbolism.
I was wondering are there any papers representing Atlantis in the Med, sounds
like a contest! but who are the judges?? and what Bias are they affected with?
Places claimed to be Atlantis n the Med are
Cyprus
Malta
Sicily
Corsica
Crete
and more
there seems to be quite a few. I wonder if any of those theories are represented
or slated for the rubbish bin already ahahah. Doesn't matter!
I hadn't heard of this book and was quite happy to have a look at it. I started
scanning the book using the page search and generally speed reading to see if I
could recognize some details of commonalities which I feel I did.
When I read this word Tao I knew I recognized this before through the Urantia
Book as it related to Lao Tze.
I then switched to research into the direction of Tao and its evolution and
during the study I found some very interesting connections and parallels that
would of not been known in 1934 in the UB record.
Anyway, during all the posts of connecting Lao Tse with the Melchizedeks in the
past, I found some interesting information that may lay a path for the Chinese
people back to their origins in religion making connection with the Melchizedek
truth which makes connection with the Urantia Book and The Bible and all the
other books which uplifts the people into the truth filled destiny and which
links to Jesus' teachings.
It now becomes more important to go Dalamatia City and verify the place and
including all the other places as this could benefit all man, knowing the paths
and branches that would help him within his own culture as the truth is embedded
in their early books of truth. All its needs is the right circumstance to prove
the matter as we do have the information that create the branches.
Feel free to go through all those posts from yesterday, Im sure you will find
them interesting. It was a wonderful day of just research and being inspired
with what I found and came across. Many lead thoughts would occur to me where I
would follow them and find the connection straightaway. However, Im still
looking for the place See Fuch as there was a temple there for 1000 years and it
was the headquarters of the Melchizedek missionaries in that time in China
around 2500 BC
Its amazing that when you are inspired with finding things of the Lord how much
energy you receive in the journey of discovery and confirmation, with a book in
one hand and the evidence found on the net. Truly an inspiring experience!
I hadn't heard of this book and was quite happy to have a look at it. I
started scanning the book using the page search and generally speed reading to
see if I could recognize some details of commonalities which I feel I did.
When I read this word Tao I knew I recognized this before through the Urantia
Book as it related to Lao Tze.
I then switched to research into the direction of Tao and its evolution and
during the study I found some very interesting connections and parallels that
would of not been known in 1934 in the UB record.
Anyway, during all the posts of connecting Lao Tse with the Melchizedeks in
the past, I found some interesting information that may lay a path for the
Chinese people back to their origins in religion making connection with the
Melchizedek truth which makes connection with the Urantia Book and The Bible
and all the other books which uplifts the people into the truth filled destiny
and which links to Jesus' teachings.
It now becomes more important to go Dalamatia City and verify the place and
including all the other places as this could benefit all man, knowing the
paths and branches that would help him within his own culture as the truth is
embedded in their early books of truth. All its needs is the right
circumstance to prove the matter as we do have the information that create the
branches.
Feel free to go through all those posts from yesterday, Im sure you will find
them interesting. It was a wonderful day of just research and being inspired
with what I found and came across. Many lead thoughts would occur to me where
I would follow them and find the connection straightaway. However, Im still
looking for the place See Fuch as there was a temple there for 1000 years and
it was the headquarters of the Melchizedek missionaries in that time in China
around 2500 BC
Its amazing that when you are inspired with finding things of the Lord how
much energy you receive in the journey of discovery and confirmation, with a
book in one hand and the evidence found on the net. Truly an inspiring
experience!
Its like this Elmer, you get this forethought on a track of a connection, you
already know it will be confirmed and know what to look for, for some reason I
might do a search when I might see a statement that I resonate to. Following
the voice within, you feel it in your heart and in your mind. You see the
connection in the search and you know it confirms the first thought and then
you feel this feeling of love and rejoicing in the Lord!
Its just beautiful journey! and at the end of the day you and the Lord have
laid down the seeds that are growing and creating branches and the fruit comes
at the verification and the seeds and branches are growing with every post and
with every discovery.
That's how I truly see it and it is beyond anything the world can offer, this
glorious journey to the ancient places of laying seeds and growing branches
with leaves and eventually fruit ready for the harvest. I believe this
journey is the new seed from the storehouses from the treasury of Paradise
Sevenfold!
Hexi Corridor
or Gansu Corridor (Chinese:
河西走廊;
Wade-Giles: Hehsi Tsoulang)
refers to the historical route in
Gansu province of
China. As part of the
Northern Silk Road running
northwest from the bank of the
Yellow River, it
used to be the most important passage from ancient China to
Xinjiang and
Central Asia for
traders and the military. As early as the first millennium
BC
silk goods began appearing in
Siberia having traveled over
the Northern Silk Road including the Hexi Corridor segment.[1]The ancient
trackway formerly passed
through
Haidong,
Xining and the environs of
Juyan Lake, seving
an effective area of about 215,000
km². It was an area where
mountain and desert limited caravan traffic to a narrow
trackway where fortification
could control who passed.[2]
More specifically, Hexi is a long
narrow passage stretching for about 1000
km from the steep
Wushaolin hillside near the
modern city of
Lanzhou to the
Jade Gate[3]at the border of Gansu and
Xinjiang. There
are many fertile oases along the path. The strikingly inhospitable environment
surrounds them: the vast expanse of the
Gobi desert, the snow-capped
Qilian Mountains to the
south, the
Beishan mountainous area, and
the
Alashan Plateau to the north.
Here is a link about the Melchizedek his office
which is no different to the office of the Messiah!
Three Parts Of The Office Of Christ We find in
Holy Scripture three parts of the Office of the Messiah:
the first of a Redeemer, or Saviour: The second of a Pastor, Counsellour, or
Teacher, that is, of a Prophet sent from God, to convert such as God hath
elected to Salvation; The third of a King, and Eternall King, but under his
Father, as Moses and the High Priests were in their severall times. And to
these three parts are corespondent three times. For our Redemption he wrought at
his first coming, by the Sacrifice, wherein he offered up himself for our sinnes
upon the Crosse: our conversion he wrought partly then in his own Person; and
partly worketh now by his Ministers; and will continue to work till his coming
again. And after his coming again, shall begin that his glorious Reign over his
elect, which is to last eternally.
Concerning the Prophetic office
of the Messiah; wherein is
proved, that he is the prophet spoken of in Deuteronomy 8:15
also enquiry is made, who was to be his
fore-runner; what was his prophetic work;
and where he was to perform his office.
Having
traced the prophecies of the Messiah to the very place of his habitation, and
they being entirely silent as to anything relating to him, or that should
befall him, until the time of his manifestation, as the great prophet in
Israel,and the evangelic history being as silent with respect to
Jesus, during the same space of time, unless it be in the single instance of
his going up to Jerusalem,at the feast of the passover, with
his parents, and his disputing with the doctors in the temple, when at twelve
years of age, I shall therefore, in this chapter, consider him in the capacity
of a prophet, and as exercising that office; and the method I shall take will
be as follows:
Fourthly,I shall now inquire into the place where the Messiah was chiefly to fulfil
his ministry, as the great prophet in Israel,which appears to be
Galilee of the nations,according to a prophecy in Isaiah 9:1, 2.
Nevertheless, the dimness shall not be such as was in her vexation,
when at time first he lightly afflicted the land of Zebulun, and the land
of Napthali; and afterwards did more grievously afflict her by the way of
the sea beyond Jordan in Galilee of the nations. The people that walked
in darkness, have seen a great lights they that dwell in the land of the
shadow of death, upon them hath the light shined.The former
of which verses should be read thus; Nevertheless the dimness shall not be to
her as her oppression, for as at the first time he debased the land of
Zebulun and the land of Napthali, so in the latter time,or
hereafter, he will make it glorious by the way of the sea, beyond
Jordan in Galilee of the nations;the learned Mr. Mede reads
the words much the same way; and the plain meaning of them is this, that whereas
those parts of the land of Israel,here mentioned, had suffered
much by Tiglath Pilezer,who had carried them captive (2 Kings
15:29), which is the vexation referred to; so they should be very much
honored and glorified, by the presence and conversation of the Messiah, who
is the great light,in verse 9, that was to shine in those
dark and obscure parts, and give light unto them, and there become
famous himself, and make them so by his doctrines, miracles, and holy life
and conversation; who is no other than the child born, and son given, of whom
such great things are spoken, and to whom such magnificent titles are given in
verses 6 and 7.
and
Fifthly,I proceed to consider what success was to attend the Messiah’s ministry,
which was to be but very small and inconsiderable;for he and his
ministry were to be slighted and rejected by men, according to the prophecies
that went before of him, which declare, that, the hearts of men, instead of
being converted under his ministry, would grow more obdurate, their ears be
heavy, and their eyes shut which is not to be imputed to any weakness and
insufficiency, either in his doctrine, or method of teaching, but to the
wretched depravity and corruption of human nature.
But at other times, and in other places, we may
observe the whole church of God is called a temple, in allusion to the temple at
Jerusalem. Thus, in that famous prophecy of the Messiah, Zechariah 6:12, it is
said, Behold the man whose mane is the Branch(which is a
descriptive character of the Messiah), and he shall grow up out of his
place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord; even he shall build the temple
of the Lord, and he shall bear the glory.
That is, he shall build the
Church of God, and he shall have the glory of it, as the sole builder; and
thus speaks our Lord himself. Upon this
rock will I build my church,
and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matt. 16:18) And
here I shall take occasion to observe, that the temple of Jerusalem may very
properly be considered as a figure and emblem of the church of God, on various
accounts.
and
The holy
place was an emblem and figure of the invisible church of God; or such persons
as are truly spiritual, believers in Christ, partakers of the grace of God in
truth, who are a royal priesthood, and built up a spiritual house to offer up
spiritual sacrifices unto God. Inward court worshippers, who are made light in
the Lord signified by the golden candlesticks in that place, and whose light
so shines before men, that those who behold their good works, may glorify
their Father who is in heaven. The prayers of these are set before the Lord,
as incense; and the lifting up of their hands as the evening sacrifice. These
sit down at the table with their Lord, and sup with him, and he with them: or,
in other words, they have fellowship with the Father, and with his Son Jesus
Christ. These are they that worship God in the Spirit rejoice in Christ Jesus,
and have no confidence in the flesh.
There was
also the holy of holies; which was a figure and emblem of heaven itself, into
which our great High Priest hath entered with his own blood, having obtained
eternal redemption for us; where he appears in the presence of God for his
people, and ever lives to make intercession for them. Where stands the
mercy-seat, the throne of grace; and to which there is a way open, even a new
and living way through the veil, that is to say, Christ’s flesh. In virtue of
his blood, true believers have boldness to enter even into the holiest of all.
That is, into heaven, and the church triumphant there, where none shall enter
that defiles, or maketh an abomination, or a lie.
and
The two
pillars, Jachin and Boaz,
stood in the porch of the temple,just
as the people entered into it; and either these names were inscribed upon
them, or rather were given them by Solomon under divine direction.
They
were also well known; so that whoever entered the temple, knew that these were
the names of those pillars: which name served to encourage them that
entered therein. The one signifies,
he shall
establish;
and the other,
in him is
strength:suggesting, that the Lord would establish his true
worshippers: and that they should have strength to perform the duties required
of them.
and
Moreover,
the Lord will establish also particular believers: all such as enter into a
gospel church state in a right manner, that are true members thereof. The name
of this pillar, and the inscription upon it, may serve to encourage them to
believe, that he will establish them. In some sense they are in a stable,
certain fixed state already. They that trust in the Lord are as mount Sion,
which shall never be removed, but standeth fast for ever.
Their place of
defence is the munition of rocks. They are out of
the reach of men and devils; and cannot he hurt by them.
and
The name of
the other pillar is Boaz;
which signifies, in him is strength.
This agrees with what our Lord says of himself;
I am
Understanding, I have
strength.
(Prov. 8:14) In him is everlasting strength.
Trust in the Lord for ever, for in the Lord Jehovah is everlasting strength.
(Isa. 26:4)
Believers find it in him; they go to him for it, and
say,Surely, in the Lord have we
righteousness and strength.
There
must needs he strength in Christ, since he is the mighty God, whose hands have
laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of his
fingers: who upholds all things by the word of his power, and governs
the whole universe. For the kingdom is his, and he is the Governor among the
nations
and remember
this is from John Gill 1697 - 1771 and Israel wasn't reformed yet.
I think what
he sees is relevant to the current Office of the Messiah!
But that the
Messiah is here meant by Shiloh,I shall endeavor to make
appear;
1st,From the signification of the word
Shiloh.
2dly,
From what is said of him in the text, that unto him shall the gathering of
the people be.
1st, That
the Messiah is intended by Shiloh,may be collected from the
signification of the word; for though learned men, both among Jews and
Christians, differ about the derivation and signification of it; yet, in any,
and every of the senses, which they give thereof, it well agrees with the
Messiah. Kimchi
says it signifies
his son,and so
should be rendered, until his son come; that is
Judah’s
son;
now what son of his can be so reasonably supposed to be intended,
as the famous renowned son of his, the Nagid,the prince
Messiah, who was to spring from his tribe, as it is manifest the Messiah Jesus
did; and the word having a feminine affix,had led some to
observe, and that not without some reason, that this son of
Judah
was to be the seed of the woman,or to be born of a virgin.
Others, as Onkelos
and Jarchi,paraphrase it, as if it
was שלו that is,
whose it is;thus, until he comes whose
is the kingdom;and understand it of the Messiah, as they
might justly do; for to him of right the kingdom belongs, and to him it is
given; as it is said in Ezekiel 21:27,
I will overturn, overturn,
overturn it, and it shall be no more until he come whose right it is;which R. Abendana
applies to the Messiah, as it ought to be. Others
have taken it to be a compound word of לו and שי, so read it,
to whom
gifts,
that is, belong or shall be brought; for which
Jarchi cites the
Midrash Agadah.Now of
the Messiah it is prophesied, that presents should be brought, and gifts be
given to him (Ps. 72:10, 15), which had its literal accomplishment in the
Messiah Jesus, to whom the wise men presented gifts; gold,
and frankincense, and myrrh.But most learned men derive the
word from the root שלה, which signifies to be
quiet, peaceable,and prosperous;so that Shiloh
is one that is so;
which character well agrees with the Messiah, who was to be of a quiet and
peaceable disposition : His voice was not to be heard in the streets;he was to be the man,the peace,the author
and donor of all peace, with whom all things were to succeed well; for
the
pleasure of the Lord was to
prosper in his hand,as it did
in Jesus’, who obtained a complete victory over all his enemies, and procured
eternal salvation for his people.
From the
whole it appears, that the variety of interpretations this word is subject to,
is not sufficient to confound the application of this prophecy to a Messias,
as the author of The Scheme of Literal Prophecy,&c. p. 136,
asserts.
2dly, That
the Messiah is here, intended, may be also concluded from what is here said of
this Shiloh,namely, and unto him, shall the gathering
of the people,or Gentiles, be;which can agree with
no other but the Messiah, to whom the Gentiles would
seek,and
in whom they would trust: for which way soever the words be rendered,
they will suit with him. Some render them the obedience of the people,agreeable to the use of the word in Proverbs 30:17.
Now this
is true of
the Messiah, whose people are a
willing people;that is, to
serve and obey him in the day of
his power,to whom the
Gentiles have, in a very remarkable manner, given
a free and cheerful obedience, and verified
this prophecy of him
(Isa. 55:5);
Behold,
thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not, and nations that knew
not thee shall run unto thee;that is, to him who is promised as a
leader and commander of the people:which Kimchi
understands of the Messiah. Again, the
Septuagint render the words by v
rosdokia eJ nwn, the expectation of the nations:and so
indeed the Messiah was: not only of the Jewish, but of other nations; the
isles afar off
waited for him, who was
the desire of all
nations(Hag. 2:7). Moreover, if we read the words according to
Jarchi, to him shall the gathering of the people be,and
which is our version, they are very applicable to the Messiah, to whom the
people, and particularly the Gentiles, were to be gathered; and well agree
with Jesus, who had no sooner entered upon his public ministry, but
crowds of people flocked to, and attended on him; and as soon as his gospel
was published among the Gentiles, vast numbers of them embraced, and
steadfastly adhered to it; through the preaching of which there has been a
very great collection of persons to Christ, in all ages ever since; before
whom all nations
will he gathered,at the day of
judgment, whom he will separate one from another, as a shepherd
divideth his sheep from the goats,But I proceed,
and an
interpretation of Jarchi cites a Midrash Agadah
Jarchi cites
a Midrash Agadah, or an allegorical exposition of this place, which interprets
the "mountains", the Jewish fathers; the
"hills", the mothers,
and their merits; "no man", the worthiness of Moses, who was meeker
than any man; and "Carmel", Elijah; without any manner of foundation
In relation to
the journey the first cities Dalamatia City and 1stEden are the mountains, the
Jarchi cites a Midrash Agadah,
the reckoning cities.
and have you
thought that this "the lawgiver between his feet"
is simply a
person sitting down in front of a monitor not speaking but people are hearing,
typing and giving out the law. This scribe for Paradise did not leave his
post until the Messiah came, he was stationary the whole time during the end
time process.
There
remains one thing more to be considered, and that is, what is to be understood
by the lawgiver between his feet,who was not to be removed from
thence until the Messiah came: by a lawgiver,we are not to
understand a person or persons, that have a power of making and prescribing
laws; for the tribe of Judah
had no power to make laws either for
itself or others, but was subjected to and governed by those unalterable laws
which were delivered by Moses
to that and the rest of the tribes. Some
Jewish writers, understand by this word מחוקק any ruler or governor that has
dominion and jurisdiction over others, and so the word is used (Judges 5:14),
and then it intends the same as the word scepter does; others, as
the three
Targums on the place, understand by it,
the Scribes,and
teachers of the law,of which there was a great number among
the Jews, in the time of Jesus; so that these were not then removed from
between Judah’s
feet; but now the tribe is extinct, their
genealogies are entirely lost, so that, though the Jews pretend to have
doctors of the law among them, they are not able to make it appear that they
are of the tribe of Judah.Now the Messiah was to come whilst
this tribe was in such a state, that it might appear
that it had rule and authority within itself, and
proper persons to execute and explain its
laws, which does not now appear, neither has it for many hundreds of years,
and consequently the Messiah must be come; let the Jews therefore tell us what
person appeared before the departure of the scepter and lawgiver, from that
tribe, with whom the characters of the Messiah so well agree as with Jesus.
The Jews
have tried several ways to enervate this testimony of the Messiah’s being
already come. Menasseh ben Israel, has collected together, no less than
eleven different senses of the words, and all designed to baffle the argument
made use of, from hence, by Christians, but to no purpose; the word translated
a scepter,they would have rendered a
rod or
staff;and sometimes to signify a
rod of correction, at
other times
a staff of support,which they say shall not be wanting to the tribe of Judah,until the Messiah comes; but it may be
very reasonably demanded of them, what peculiar affliction has befallen
that tribe, which did not the rest of the tribes of
Israel;
besides, Judah
was in a very flourishing condition, for five hundred
years, under the reign of David’s
family; and when the rest of
the tribes were carried captive, arid returned no more,
Judah was
preserved as a distinct tribe: it is true, ever since the rejection of Jesus,
as the Messiah, the rod of correction has been upon them, and will
continue until God gives them repentance: As to a staff of support, what
support have they had, when they have been so many hundred years out of their
land, destitute of those privileges they there enjoyed, living among the
nations in the utmost disgrace, and for the most part, in poverty and
distress? Again, sometimes Shiloh
must mean any body but the Messiah;
and at other times they are obliged to own the Messiah is intended, which
shows both the ignorance and confusion of their greatest masters. The story of
Benjamin of
Tudela,of a certain Jew of the house of
David having jurisdiction over a thousand Jews at
Bagdat in
Persia,is not to be credited, it having never been as yet
confirmed; and if it could, how would it prove that the scepter is still in
the tribe of Judah, and that the lawgiver is not yet removed from
between his feet.
Perhaps from
this journey to ancient places it can be proved.
and this fragment
Secondly,Endeavor to prove, that the Messiah, who is here designed by
the
desire of all nations,was to come into this
temple, and
that Jesus accordingly did. It may be expected that I should first prove, that
the Messiah is intended by the
desire of all nations. Jarchi,
Kimchi and Aben-Ezra, would have the desirable things of the
nations meant, such as gold, silver, and precious stones, which they would bring
into the temple and offer there as presents, which sense is not only contrary to
the grammatical construction of the words, but foreign enough from the context,
as well as too low to answer those surprising instances of God’s power, as
the shaking the heavens and the earth, &c. which were to usher it in.
R. Akiba applied this prophecy
to the Messiah,
and the character, here given, well agrees with him; all nations of the earth
were to receive very great blessings and considerable
advantages from him, as has been already proved, and
therefore he must needs be a very desirable person.
Besides, the very great commotion of the heavens, the earth, the sea, and
dry land, and all the nations therein, here mentioned,
can agree with no
other but the Messiah, and the time of his coining. Moreover, nothing but
the appearing of the Messiah in this temple, could make it preferable to,
and more glorious than that of
Solomon’s.Now it is
certain, that the Messiah was to come into this temple,
the desire of all
nations shall come;whither? To his temple,as we
are taught to explain it, from what follows, namely, I
will fill this house
with glory,
and from a parallel text in Malachi 3:1.
Behold I will send my messenger, and he shall
prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek,
shall suddenly come to his temple: even the messenger of the covenant
whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord
of hosts.R. David Kimchi understands this prophecy
of the Messiah, who may very easily be concluded to be the person intended, from
those magnificent titles here given to him, as the Lord,and the messenger of the covenant,which can agree with no other:
One and the same person is meant both in Haggaiand Malachi,
in
the one he is called the desire of all nations,in the other
the Lord whom
the Jews sought and delighted in;
the one says, he shall come
in a
little while;the other that
he shall come suddenly to his
temple;which is the same with Haggai’s latter house;for into no other could he come suddenly. Nothing is more manifest, than
that Jesus did come into this temple: The Jews expected to meet with the Messiah
in the temple; hence old Simeon
and Anna
the prophetess waited
there for him; where the former met with the young child Jesus, at the time of
his presentation before the Lord: Here at twelve years of age, he disputed with
the doctors; when he had entered upon his public ministry, here he taught the
people, and that daily; here he wrought many of his miracles; here he was
acknowledged to be the Messiah, and that even by the children, who cried in the
temple, and said, Hosanna to the son of David; where, as the Lord and
proprietor of it, he cast out the buyers and sellers, and other profaners
thereof (Matthew 21:12-14). It can be no objection against the application of
these prophecies to Jesus, that it was the temple built by
Herod,
that he came into; for the temple which was built by the Jews, after their
return from Babylon,re-edified by Herod,and at
last destroyed by Vespasian,was but one and the same, and is
always called by the Jews בית שני
the second house;besides, if
they make Herod’s temple to be distinct from
Zerubbabel’s,and so a third temple; then this temple which they vainly expect, must be a
fourth, and not a third; nor can the objection of the Jew be thought to have any
weight in it, namely, that Jesus came into this temple at the latter end of
it; for it is enough that he was there at all; and the very objection is an
acknowledgment thereof. But I. proceed,.
and this about the third temple and the former
places
Thirdly,To show, that the Messiah’s coming into this temple is the greater glory
promised unto it.I will fill this house with glory,—the glory
of this latter house shall be greater than of the former.Now let it be observed, that Solomon’s temple, which is the
former house referred to, was very great,glorious, and
magnificent; naywonderful great,as will evidently
appear, if we consider the vast treasure amassed together by David,and expended by Solomon;the large number of workmen employed
therein, the prodigious charge in making provisions for them, the stateliness
and richness of the fabric; the like to which was never seen in the world; God
himself having drawn the model and pattern of it, and gave it to David in
writing: Its dedication by Solomon was very magnificent; to all which
add; the glory of the Lord filled it, and continued in it. Now the glory of the latter house must be something
very considerable, which made it not only equal, but even superior to this.
Again, it ought to be remarked, that by the Jews’ own confession, there were
several things wanting in this latter house, which were in the former,
especially these five, the ark,the Urim and Thummim,
the fire from heaven,the Shechinah,and the
Holy Ghost:Besides, several of the ancient men, who had seen the
glory of the former house, wept when the foundation of this was laid; it being,
in their eyes, in comparison of that as nothing.
Therefore I say it must be something very considerable in
this latter house, which must make the glory of it exceed that of the former.
and this extract that has reflections of this
journey and the timeline of the discoveries and where we are at now.
Fourthly,There are several circumstances in the text which point out,
both the
person that was to come, and the time of his coming.
1st, All
this was to be done in a very little time.Yet once it is,a
little while,very quickly after this prophecy, or suddenly,as Malachi
says, the Messiah was to come.
Now, if the Messiah was to come in a little time after this, certainly he must
be already come; for surely the space of two thousand years, and upwards, (for
so long it is since this prophecy was given) can never he accounted
a
little while.Indeed a late author objects, that this
seems
a phrase not very properly applicable to a fact four hundred years after;to which I answer, that this space of four hundred years, might very well
be called a little while,in comparison of the long space of
time which had elapsed since the first promise of the Messiah was given;
besides, it is usual with the prophets to represent things which were at some
distance, near; in order to strengthen the faith, and encourage the
expectation of God’s people; moreover, it was but a little while ere things
began to work towards the accomplishment of this prophecy.
2dly, It is
prophesied that at, or before, the coming of this great person,
there would
be a very great shaking of the heavens, the earth, the sea, and dry land, yea
of all nations; which may intend those mutations and revolutions that were
made in the several kingdoms and nations of the world, between this
prophecy, and the coming of Jesus, which the history of those times gives
an account of; and indeed it was but
a little while ere this shaking
began, for the Persian
monarchy, which was then flourishing, was
quickly after subdued by the Grecian; and that, in a little time,
underwent the same fate from the Roman:Or else it may intend
those prodigies and wonders, which were wrought in the heavens, earth, and
sea, at the birth, in the lifetime, and at the death of Jesus; at whose birth
an unusual star appeared in the heavens, in whose lifetime miracles of various
sorts were wrought, both by land and sea; and at whose death the sun was
darkened, the earth quaked and the rocks were rent asunder.
Never was there
such a shaking among the nations as at the time of Christ’s coming.
Herod and all
Jerusalem with him, were moved and shaken at the
tidings of His birth; angels descended from heaven to celebrate it, wise men
came from the east to inquire after it; and, in a little time, all the nations
under the heavens were shaken, moved, and stirred up, either to oppose or
embrace him. Moreover, the apostle, in Hebrews 12:26 and 27, does not unfitly
apply those words to that change which was made in the worship of God, by the
coming of Jesus the true Messiah.
3dly,The Lord promises to give peace in this place at this time,
and in
this place will I give peace, saith the Lord of hosts;which
was made good, when he gave the Messiah, Jesus, the man, the peace,who has made peace by the blood of his cross,and has sent
forth his ministers into all the nations of the earth,
preaching peace by
Jesus Christ who is Lord of all.And if it is true, what some
have asserted, that there was an universal peace in the world, in the times of
Augustus,after all those shakings in the nations, in whose time
Jesus was born; this prophecy has then had its fulfillment in a temporal way,
and if there was not peace in those times, it will be hard to find it during
the second temple.
I personally think it points to the journey to
the ancient places.
and
5. By the Messiah’s accomplishing all this, he
was to seal up the vision and prophecy; not the prophecy of
Jeremiah,concerning the end of the captivity, which the author of
the Literal
Scheme thinks is intended, supported by the authorities of
Marsham
and Harduin;for this prophecy, when
Daniel had this
vision, wanted but a very little time of having its full accomplishment;
therefore it cannot be supposed, that seventy weeks of years should be fixed and
determined, for the accomplishing of an event, which was to be fulfilled, in two
years time, or thereabout. No, by
sealing the vision and prophecy
is
meant the Messiah’s fulfilling whatever was predicted by
the prophets concerning him, whereby he would
seal up,and
put an end to vision
and prophecy
in the Jewish church; all which
has been exactly completed by the Messiah, Jesus, who, in what he has done
and suffered, has sufficiently verified whatever was in the Old Testament,
prophesied of the Messiah; as I hope my account of prophecies will make appear.
It is undeniable matter of fact, that ever since the times of Jesus, prophecy
has ceased among the Jews; nor can they themselves deny it, nay they tell us,
that "There has never arose a prophet in Israel
since the building of the
second temple;" which deficiency, they say, was supplied by
Bath-Kol; but
that is ending prophecy too soon, for the law and the prophets were untilJohn; however, it is now ceased; it lasted so long as there was any need
of it; but when the Messiah, the sum and substance of all, was come, it was at
an end among that people. Now in order to the accomplishing of all these things,
and this
A SERMON,
Preached at a Wednesday’s
Evening Lecture,
in
GREAT EAST-CHEAP, Dec. 27, 1752.
Psalm 87:3
Glorious things are spoken of
thee, O city of God! Selah.
Some
think this psalm was written by David, under a prophetic view of the temple to
be built by his son Solomon; others, that it was composed by one that returned
from the Babylonish captivity, for the comfort of those that wept at the laying
of the foundation of the second temple: but let it be wrote by whom it will, or
on whatsoever occasion; it is pretty evident that the subject-matter of it is
the church of God in gospel-times, especially in the latter-day glory; when
there will be abundance of converts in the places herein mentioned. The title of
the Syriac version is "concerning the redemption of Jerusalem." It begins in a
very abrupt manner, as the Song of Songs does, with a relative without an
antecedent; his foundation is in the holy mountains:
the foundation of the Lord which he has laid,
who loveth the gates of Zion, and
whose city is here spoken of, which is founded by him;
or its foundation, the foundation of the city of God, the
church, which comes to the same sense; for the church’s foundation is the
Lord’s, being of his laying.[1]
In allusion to the mountains of Zion and Moriah, on which the
temple stood, a type of the church; or to the mountains round about Jerusalem,
which also frequently signifies the church; this foundation is said to be
in the holy mountains, or mountains of holiness, the purposes and
decrees of God, those mountains of brass, Zechariah 6:1, particularly the
decree of election , the foundation of God that stands sure, and
is the source of all true holiness; likewise the covenant of grace, its
blessings and promises, sure and immovable, and which provides both for internal
and external holiness; and is especially Jesus Christ, the rock of ages, the
sure foundation laid in Zion, the holy One of Israel, and the
sanctification of his people.
The city or Zion or the Mountains of God or the
Mountains of truth, note the plural!! you could interpret as the former
cities of the Father and the tree of life. Dalamatia City and 1stEden.
The whole sermon is about the City of God and is
to me a reflection of the journey to the ancient places.
In these sermons unlike others preached today
there are no endless praise the lords or side show word comedy or anything that
reflects the current sermons in some churches today. These Sermons of 1972
or just straight facts and research and full of great thoughts and braches to
search through
could this fragment be a reflection of a website
where there are gates to the city of the former places that are opened 24 hours
through the internet worldwide knowing no sun of night and speaking of his
glory!!
and in the below is a reflection of how the end
times will come.
Dr. Owen seems to have had in view; of whom it is
reported he should say, "the time is coming when a
faithful minister would be more precious than fine gold, even than the golden
wedge of Ophir;" meaning, they would be scarce and rare; referring to
the passage in Isaiah 13:12, and few there are
that
receive the gospel in the power of it, cordially embrace it, and sincerely
profess it, and walk according to it: it looks like the time our
Lord speaks of when he should come, and would not be able to find faith, the
doctrine of faith, on the earth (Luke 18:8). But though the gospel is now
within such narrow limits,
ere long it will have a
free course, and run and be glorified. The
earth, the
inhabitants of it, will be filled with a spiritual an saving knowledge of
God and Christ, communicated by it, and of the truth of it; and that not in a
superficial way and manner, but even as the waters cover the sea (Isa.
11:9), which are very deep, and large, and spreading; and
which knowledge
will be communicated to a large number of persons. This will be, when
the angel, not any particular minister, as
Luther, or any other,
but a set of gospel ministers in the latter day, so
called from their office,
shall flee
in the midst of heaven;
discharge their office with great
readiness and swiftness, and in the most public manner,
in the church of God; having the everlasting gospel; not a little dry
morality, but the gospel of the grace of God, the good news of life and
salvation by Jesus Christ; which consists of everlasting things, of everlasting
love, an everlasting covenant, an everlasting Savior, and everlasting
salvation; and which was ordained before the world, as
well as will continue to the end of it;having this not in their heads only, but in
their hearts and in their mouths, and a commission to
preach it to them that dwell on the earth, and to
every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people (Rev. 14:6).
These will be very diligent and industrious, spare no pains, be indefatigable in
their work; they will be many, and
will run
to and fro; and by this means
knowledge will be
increased (Dan. 12:4): this will be the time, even in the Philadelphian
state, when there will be an open door set,
which no man can shut (Rev. 3:8); an opportunity of preaching the
gospel every where, and which will be taken and used; a wonderful
door of
utterance
will be given to ministers of the word, who will open
their mouth freely, and boldly, and with great success. The doctrines of the
gospel are the
living waters, so called
for their refreshing and quickening nature, both to dead sinners and drooping
saints, that at this time shall go out of Jerusalem,
the church of God; half of them towards the former sea,
or the eastern sea, as the
Targum; the
Persian sea, which lay east of
Jerusalem, and so before it:
and
half of them towards the hinder sea, or the western sea, as the paraphrase;
the Mediterranean sea, which lies to the
west of Jerusalem, and so behind it; and both
denoting the spread of the gospel in the latter day, east and west, for the
conversion of the eastern nations in China,
Tartary,
Persia,
&c., and for the conversion of the western nations in
Europe; in
summer and in winter shall it be (Zech. 14:8). These waters will be ever
flowing, these doctrines will be constantly preaching; nor will the ministry of
the word be hindered by any heat of persecution, or by any coldness or
indifference to it.
and here is see through of the Work of John Gill Preacher 1697-1772
The below highlighted precisely points to Dalamatia City, Persian Gulf where
the truth comes from and from the 1stEden, Mediterranean Sea the other place
where the truth will emanate following the path of the tree of Life in former
ages of the wasted places in order to heal the breach. Also all the
components of the current journey to the ancient places is completely
reflected in the below. Excellent discovery! this is a great
confirmation of the work of the Office of the Messiah!
Quote:
12:4): this will be the time, even in the
Philadelphian state,
when there will be
an open door set, which no man can shut (Rev. 3:8); an opportunity of
preaching the gospel every where, and which will be taken and used; a
wonderful door of utterance will be given to ministers of the word, who
will open their mouth freely, and boldly, and with great success. The
doctrines of the gospel are the living waters, so called for their
refreshing and quickening nature, both to dead sinners and drooping
saints, that at this time shall go out of Jerusalem, the church of God;
half of them towards
the former sea, or
the eastern sea, as the Targum;
the Persian sea,
which lay east of Jerusalem, and so before it: and half of them towards
the hinder sea, or the western sea, as the paraphrase;
the Mediterranean
sea, which lies to the west of Jerusalem, and so behind
it; and both denoting the spread
of the gospel in
the latter day, east and west, for the conversion of
the eastern nations in China, Tartary, Persia,
&c., and for the conversion of the western nations in Europe; in
summer and in winter shall it be (Zech. 14:8). These waters will be ever
flowing, these doctrines will be constantly preaching; nor will the
ministry of the word be hindered by any heat of persecution, or by any
coldness or indifference to it.
The above is a small fragment of a great study from John Gill. I also have
been reading his Messiah papers and I am very impressed. Very accurate to this
time and the references alluding to the Persian Gulf (Dalamatia City) and the
Mediterranean Sea(1stEden) clearly points to the ancient places undoubtedly
and it is out of these places comes the Gospel of the Kingdom of Heaven and
Jerusalem is right in the middle of this great presentation.
Now, Im looking at the phrase The Targem which
means 'translation' or 'interpretation'
Quote:
half of them
towards the former sea, or the eastern
sea, as the Targum;
the Persian sea, which lay east
of Jerusalem, and so before it: and half of them towards the hinder sea,
or the western sea, as the paraphrase;
the Mediterranean sea,
The Targum comes from the Persian Gulf and Mediterranean Sea, in essence
meaning the interpretation or the meaning where the Gospel in the latter day
comes from. .
Well all I can say that is a very big confirmation of this on the fly journey
to the ancient places! This journey has all the characteristics of the Targum
that emanates out of the Sea, 2 seas which is the path of the tree of life!
The Targum
Quote:
The Targum
http://www.logos.com/targums
What are the Targums (or Targumim)? The word 'Targum' simply means
'translation' or 'interpretation', but while any translation
might call itself a 'targum', the word is usually reserved for ancient
Aramaic translations of the Hebrew scriptures. The need for Aramaic
translations of scripture was keenly felt as Hebrew declined in popular
use during the Second Temple Period; one tradition ascribes the first
targum to Ezra himself. In the earliest days, targumim were not written
down, but were likely informal translations made
'on the fly' after the Hebrew
scriptures were read in the synagogues.
Targum fragments found in the Dead Sea Scrolls
indicate that use
of written targumim can be dated to pre-Christian times, and eventually
two of these written Targumim, Targum Onqelos on the Pentateuch*, and
Targum Jonathan on the Prophets*, gained official status, and were
specifically designated for use in synagogue services. In addition to
these two official Targumim,
there are
several targumim covering various books of the Writings* and
other, competing Targums to the Pentateuch that never gained any
official status - indeed every book but Ezra-Nehemiah and Daniel (which
were partially written in Aramaic to begin with) has at least one extant
Targum.
Now if people cant understand this post then all must be in denial or not that
smart or over intellectualized or something!. All these threads are are simple
paths being trail blazed creating branches that other people can study and
expand on. Perhaps this can be suited and expanded and used in Sermons to the
congregation.
Remember its a on the run journey with precept upon precept, stone upon stone
and block upon block creating this image in real reality on the run, unlocking
the great 7th Mystery as we go done the track to the ancient cities of the
Persian Gulf and The Mediterranean Sea producing the Targum on the the fly!
Just like with the Prophets of old and also with the seers and prophets this
side of Jesus' times they all are part of the final targum for this Epoch
unlocking the door to the Next Epochal revelation of the Father in the Uplift
all religions of the planet that will lead them to the teachings of Jesus in
the edification and uplift of mankind!
I am personally very proud of this presentation and very happy to be of
service of the Father in the Kingdom of Heaven.
I say Amen and Yea! and praise the Lord for all his great bounty and
generosity and particularly through his guidance!
Because today we have another great victory in the interpretation of the Great
and final Targum.
The Targum of the prophets! The Targum of the Sevenfold, The Targum of the
Seventh Mystery!
Hallelujah! right on!
Sevens
Re:
Thousands flee as Quake hits China Thu May 29, 2008
11:24 am
ahahahaha
Anyway, Im a little worried for China. It is unusual that this journey
took the turn into their religions that have foundational roots from the
influence of the Melchizedek Missionaries and as I focused on the hidden
tracks I cam across all these discoveries left behind.
Im worried that a crack may appear on the eastern sea board of China if
this tectonic unrest continues.
3rdly, There will be large
conversions every where, in the several parts of the world: in all popish
countries, and antichristian states; even the ten kings, that have given their
kingdoms to the beast, have been associates of antichrist, and reigned with hem,
shall withdraw from him; they and their subjects shall revolt from him, and be
converted, and embrace the pure gospel: as it will be the Christian princes and
potentates that will pour out the seven vials on antichrist, they will carry the
gospel with them wherever they go; or however, the ministers of it will follow
closely at their heels, way being made by the former for them; whose ministry
will meet with great success every where, and those that escape the judgments of
God in these nations, will not only be affrighted at them, but will be
truly converted by the gospel, and give glory to the God of heaven (Rev.
11:13). In the Mohammedan nations, the Turkish woe being past, and that
empire being destroyed, and way made for the gospel to be carried into the
eastern kingdoms, great and large conversions will be made by it; there is a
most glaring prophecy of this in Isaiah 60:7, which the whole chapter concerns
the spiritual and personal reign of Christ; all
the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee; the rams of Nebaioth
shall minister unto thee; they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and
I will glorify the house of my glory. Now Kedar and Nebaioth were the sons of
Ishmael (Gen. 25:13), who settled in Arabia, the country
now possessed by the Turks;[6]
so that this is a prophecy of the conversion of multitudes in those parts,
whereby the interest of Christ will be increased, and his church glorified.
Moreover, in all Pagan countries the gospel will make its way, and be
successful, the covering and veil of blindness and ignorance,
cast and spread over all people and nations
and another fragment
4thly,
There will be at this time a large effusion of the spirit of God: the prophecy
in Joel, quoted in
Acts 2:17-20, was very applicable indeed to
the case of the apostle at the day of Pentecost, but was not fully
accomplished then; the Spirit was not poured upon
all flesh; nor were
those signs in heaven, in full extent of them, seen then, predicted in it;
the pouring forth of the Spirit then was only a pledge and earnest of what
will be in the latter days; some drops as it were, were only let down
then; hereafter the Lord will pour the water out of his buckets, and
his seed shall be inmany waters (Num.24:7): it will be
owing to this that the above events will have their accomplishment; the
destruction of antichrist will be
by the spirit of
Christ’s mouth, which will blow a blast upon him; the success
of the gospel every where, and the large conversions of men, must be
attributed to the plentiful effusion of the spirit that will attend it;
particularly the conversion of the Jews, will be owing entirely to the
spirit of grace and supplication (Zech. 12:10)
poured out upon them,
whenthey shall look on him whom they have
pieced
and mourn, and it will be in consequences of the extraordinary
pouring out of the spirit, that the following things will take place in this
reign.
The light of
the gospel, both in the preachers and professors of it, will be very great,
clear, and distinct; the light of the moon, as in the present
dispensation, to which may be compared, shall be as the light of the sun,
to which that dispensation shall be like; and the
light of the sun shall be
sevenfold, as
the light of seven days (Isa. 30:26); as
if the light of seven days were
collected together,
and shone out at once; hyperbolical expressions, setting forth the exceeding
greatness of gospel-light in those times: not only the watchman, ministers of the word,shall see eye to
eye (Isa. 52:8), all truths clearly and distinctly; their ideas and
sentiments shall be regular and uniform; there will be an entire harmony, and
agreement between them; but even private Christians, common members,
shall all know the Lord, and the things of the gospel in a very clear
and comfortable manner, even from the least of them, unto the greatest
of them (Jer. 31:34); when God shall
lay
Zion’s stones with fair colors,
and her foundationswith sapphires; made her
windows of agates, and her
gates of
carbuncles, and all her borders of pleasant stones; then
all her
children shall be taught of God (Isa. 54:11-13), to such a degree as they
never were before, so clearly, fully and universally.
and this wonderful fragment and I believe the ark
of the Testament is the journey and documentation of the journey to the ancient
former wasted places of the path of the tree of Life! "their original
institution" reflecting the first and former places I.E. the discovery of
the Seven commands. In relation to the journey to the ancient places, the
discovery and verification of the Seven commands on a expedition to Dalamatia
City. The reconstitution of the original Seven commands through discovery
and enlightenment, the reinstatement of the Seven commands, the reinstatement of
the original commands from the first place Dalamatia City!. And it will be
seen and proven.
There will be great purity of gospel-worship and
ordinances; the temple of God will be
opened
in heaven; the true worship of God will be restored, and observed
according to the primitive pattern:
the ark of the
testimony(Rev. 11:19) will be seen in it; the ordinances
of the gospel will be administered according to their original institution;
there will be no disputes about the form of order of church-government; every
thing relating to it will appear evident; the ordinances will be kept as they
were delivered; nor will there be any doubts about the manner of performing
them, or the subject to be admitted to them, or the ends to be answered by them;
all these things will stand in a clear light; and there will be no objector to
them, or any division about them; nor will they be ever corrupted any more
and reflections of the atmosphere of the journey
to the path of the tree of life
Brotherly love, which is now waxen cold,
will be in its height and glory, agreeable to the name of this state,
Philadelphia, which signifies brotherly love; there will be no more
contentions, animosities, and quarrels:
Ephraim
shall not envy Judah; on account of pre-eminence of office,
gifts, and grace; and Judah shall not envy Ephraim
(Isa. 11:13); by any haughty and over bearing carriage, or with
wrangling debates, and opprobrious language; the two sticks of
Ephraim
and Judah, shall be one in the hand of the Lord; there will be perfect
harmony and love, nothing to disturb, distress, and make uneasy, or tend to
alienate the affections of one from another; there will be noprickingbriar, nor grieving thorn (Ezek. 28:24) among them; they will be like the
first Christians, ofone heart, and
of
one
soul,
being of
one mind, and
of
one judgment; all studying
to keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.
and this the coming of Jesus our friend and
Saviour
1st,
There will be a personal appearance of the Son of God, and a glorious one it
will be: he will personally appear; the Lord himself shall descend(1 Thess. 4:16); not by his Spirit, or by the communication of his grace,
or by his gracious presence, as before; but in person he will descend from
third heaven, where he is in our nature, into the air, where he will be
visible; every eye shall see him, when
he cometh with clouds(Rev. 1:7); or in the clouds of heaven, which will be his chariot; he will
descend on earth at the proper time; and his feet shall stand upon the
mount of Olives (Zech. 14:4); on that spot of ground from whence he
ascended to heaven. Job seems to have this descent of his in view, when he
says, he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth (Job 19:25);
which seems to respect not so much his first coming as his second; since it is
connected with the resurrection of the dead.
This
appearance of Christ will be a very glorious one;
it is called the glorious
appearing of the great God, and ourSavior
Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13); for he will appear under both
characters to his people; when he appeared the first time, it was in the form
of a servant; he came not to be ministered unto, but to minister;
but now
he will come as King of kings, and Lord of lords: then he was sent in the
likeness of sinful flesh, to bear the sins, and work out the salvation of his
people; but now he will appear without sin, to put them into the full
possession of the salvation obtained for them:
he will come in his own
glory, and in his father’s, and of the holy angels (Luke 9:26); he
will appear in the glory of deity, and all the perfections of it; who is the
brightness of his Father’s glory, and the expressimage of his
person (Heb. 1:3); it will then be evident, that he is the
Lord
God,
omnipotent that
reigneth; and that he is omniscient,
the searcher of the hearts, and trier of the reins of the children of men
(Rev. 19:6; 2:23); and he will be seen in all the glory of his human nature,
and with that glory he has with the Father, as mediator: all which, in some
sense, may be said to be his Father’s; because his divine glory is the same
with his Father’s, and his human and mediatorial glory is what he has from
him; and he will come with all that power and
authority vested in him by his father as the judge of the world: he
will be attended with his holy angels, as when on mount
Sinai, and as
when he ascended to heaven whom he will employ in one kind of service or
another, and who will make a considerable figure in this apparatus: to which
may be added, that all the saints will come along with Christ;
the souls of
all that have departed from the beginning of the world,
in order to be re-united to their bodies, which will be raised; there will be
Adam, and there will be
Abraham, and all
the ante-diluvian and post-diluvian saints, old and new testament-ones;
when Christ will be glorified in them, and admired by them, and they shall
appear with him in glory.
more links
The Prophecies of the Old
Testament, Respecting Messiah, Considered; and Proved to be Literally
Fulfilled in Jesus, Containing An Answer to the Objections of the Author of
the Scheme of Literal Prophecy.
Seventhly,his kingdom was to be very extensive; for it is said that
his dominion
shall be from sea to sea,and from the river even unto the ends
of the earth;which is the reason
Jarchi gives, why it is
impossible to understand this prophecy of Zechary,of any other
but the Messiah, of the increase of
whose government and peace
there shall be no end;and which will more manifestly appear when
the kingdoms of this world
shalt visibly become the kingdoms of our
Lord and of his Christ.
Eighthly,The coming of this person is represented as
something very remarkable and extraordinary, and as what
would be matter of joy to
Zion;
and therefore, a behold,is prefixed to it, and
Zion
is called upon to rejoice
and shout;
all which was literally fulfilled in
Jesus’ entrance, into the city of
Jerusalem; for it is said that
all the city was moved,being surprised at the strange and uncommon appearance he made, which was
attended with shouts and acclamations of joy, from the people, crying
Hosanna to the son of David.So that from the whole it appears,
that this is another literal prophecy of the Messiah, which had its exact
accomplishment in Jesus.
and this about the rebuilding of the temple
Isaiah 11:1. Zerobabel in three
other places, namely, Jeremiah 23:5. Zechariah 3:8 and 6:12." though he offers
nothing in proof thereof. As to Isaiah 4:2. it is much more likely that the
Messiah is intended than the Jews in captivity; for what great beauty and glory
appeared in them, even when they returned from thence? Nay, this branch of
the Lord, and fruit of the earth, is manifestly distinguished from them
that are escaped from Israel, and him that is left in Zion. The
beauty and glory predicted of this branch, best agrees with the Messiah; as do
also the blessings promised in the following verses; such as the sanctification,
washing away the filth, purging the blood of God’s people, and the protection
and glory of them. That Hezekiah cannot be intended in Isaiah 11:1. I
have already proved in a preceding chapter; for he must be born some years
before this prophecy was given forth; and that Zerobabel is not
Jeremy’s righteous Branch in chapter 23:5. I think I have sufficiently made
appear; and shall now attempt to prove, that the Messiah, and not he, is
intended by Zechary, when he says, Behold the man, whose name is the
Branch. The Targum reads it, Behold the man, whose name
is the Messiah. Jarchi says, there are some who interpret it of the king Messiah;which interpretation R. Abendana strenuously
contends for; and which is the sense of some of
their ancient writers; and that it is the true sense, may be pretty easily
collected from the context. This person was to be both a
king and priest; he shall sit and rule
upon his throne, and he shall be a priest upon his throne. Zerobabel was
neither king nor priest, the Messiah both. This person was to build the
temple of the Lord, and to bear the glory:Not a third
temple, which the Jews vainly expect; nor the second temple, built by
Zerobabel, from whence so much glory did not arise to the builder of it, it
being mean and contemptible, in comparison of that of Solomon’s;
but the church of God, which is
the temple of the living God, the pillar and ground of
truth, which was to be built in a very glorious manner,
in the days of the Messiah,and was to
consist of Jews and Gentiles; for they that were afar off, that is,
the Gentiles, were to come and build in the temple of the Lord,
and so the counsel of peace was between them both; that is,
Jew
and
Gentile, which was exactly fulfilled by the
Messiah Jesus, who made peace between them both, incorporated them both into one
building, of which he himself is the corner stone, in whom all the building
fitly framed together, groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also,
(Ephesians 2:14, 17.) that is,ye Ephesians, ye Gentiles, are builded together,with the Jews, for
an habitation of God through the Spirit;and now he bears all the
glory of it. Once more, this person was not as yet
grown up out of his place,but it is promised that he should,
which cannot be true of Zerobabel, who was already grown up, and had been
for some time actually engaged in building the second temple, as appears from
Haggai’s prophecy. The Messiah then, and not Zerobabel, is the person intended, whose name may well be calledthe
Branch,by way of eminency, he being the most glorious branch of
David’s family, who also was to spring from thence, when that family was
only like a root in a dry ground;all
which well agrees with the state of that family in the times of Jesus, and with
that very mean appearance, which he made, when he, this branch, first budded
forth from thence. The Septuagint here render the word hmx, the
Branch, by anatolh, which properly signifies
the
rising of the sun,or that part of
the heaven where the sun rises,and so may respect the Messiah as
the sun of righteousness, who was to arise with healing in his wings.Hence
Zacharias in his song, calls the Messiah Jesus (Luke 1:78.) anatolh ex
uyouv, the day-spring from on high, who hath visited us: and from
hence, perhaps, Oriens was used for a name of the Messiah: and it is not
without some shew of reason, that some have
thought this to be the meaning of the word in Tacitus, when he says,
Pluribus persuasio inerat, antiquis sacerdotum literis continero, eo ipsi
tempore fore, ut valesceret oriens, "many were persuaded that in the ancient
books of the priests were contained a prophecy, that at that time the east
should prevail." In fine, the Messiah is the
man whose name is the Branch,so often spoken of by the prophets,
so much expected by the Jews, and who budded forth in the person of Jesus. I
shall conclude all with the words of Zacharias,(Luke 1:68
etc.). Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he hath visited and redeemed his
people, and hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his
servant David, as he spake by the mouth of all his holy prophets, which have
been since the world began:
A controversy is raging in
Israel, in evangelical circles in the U.S. and on kabbalah web forums worldwide
following the posthumous release of what a revered Sephardic rabbi claimed to be
the name of the Messiah.
When Rabbi Yitzchak Kaduri
died in February 2006, somewhere between the age of 106 to possibly 117, 300,000
attended his funeral in Jerusalem.
The Baghdad-born kabbalist
had gained notoriety around the world for issuing apocalyptic warnings and for
saying he personally met the long-awaited Jewish Messiah in November 2003.
Before Kaduri died, he
reportedly wrote the name of the Messiah on a small note, requesting it remained
sealed for one year after his death. The note revealed the name of the Messiah
as "Yehoshua" or "Yeshua" – or the Hebrew name
Jesus.
However, complicating the
story further, the note is being challenged as a forgery by his 80-year-old son
Rabbi David Kaduri.
"It's not his writing," he is
quoted as telling Israel Today.
The note, written in Hebrew
and signed in the rabbi's name, said: "Concerning the letter abbreviation of the
Messiah's name, He will lift the people and prove that his word and law are
valid. This I have signed in the month of mercy."
The Hebrew sentence consists
of six words. The first letter of each of those words spells out the Hebrew name
Yehoshua or Yeshua.
The finding has raised a
combination of excitement and controversy in both Jewish and Christian circles –
but scarcely any media attention. Jewish blogs and web forums are filled with
skeptical analysis and puzzlement.
"So this means Rabbi Kaduri
was a Christian?" asked one poster rhetorically.
Another wrote: "The
Christians are dancing and celebrating."
Not exactly.
In fact, many Christian
discussion boards say Kaduri's description of the Messiah – no matter what his
name – doesn't fit the biblical account of a returned Jesus of Nazareth, who,
they believe, will rule and reign on Earth from Jerusalem for 1,000 years.
About his encounter with the
Messiah Kaduri claimed is alive in Israel today, he reportedly told close
relatives: "He is not saying, 'I am the Messiah, give me the leadership.' Rather
the nation is pushing him to lead them, after they find [in my words] signs
showing that he has the status of Messiah."
Kaduri was also quoted as
saying the imminent arrival of the Messiah will "save Jerusalem from Islam and
Christianity that wish to take Jerusalem from the Jewish Nation – but they will
not succeed, and they will fight each other."
Statements like that have
some Christians wondering if Kaduri might be talking about another Yeshua –
perhaps even a miracle-performing "false Christ" many evangelicals believe will
precede the return of Jesus.
"It is hard for many good
people in society to understand the person of the Messiah," Kaduri wrote before
his death. "The leadership and order of a Messiah of flesh and blood is hard to
accept for many in the nation. As leader, the Messiah will not hold any office,
but will be among the people and use the media to communicate. His reign will be
pure and without personal or political desire. During his dominion, only
righteousness and truth will reign."
Kaduri wrote that not all
will believe in the Messiah – and that it will often be easier for non-religious
people to accept him. He also describes a Messiah who is, at first, not aware of
his position.
Kaduri's funeral
A few months before his
death, Kaduri gave a Yom Kippur address in which he gave clues as to how to
recognize the Messiah. He told those gathered for the Day of Atonement in his
synagogue the Messiah would not come until former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon
dies.
Sharon was stricken while in
office Jan. 4, 2006. He remained in a coma until replaced by Prime Minister Ehud
Olmert. While many expected the imminent passing of Sharon, he has remained
alive but unconscious ever since his attack.
Shortly after what Kaduri
characterized as his Nov. 4, 2003, encounter with the Messiah, in which he said
he learned his name, the rabbi began warning of impending disasters worldwide.
In September 2005 in a class
at his Jerusalem yeshiva seminary, Kaduri called for Jews all over the world to
return to Israel because of the calamities about to befall the Earth and for the
rebuilding of the Jewish Temple.
"In the future, the Holy One,
Blessed be He, will bring about great disasters in the countries of the world to
sweeten the judgments of the land of Israel," he said.
In 1990, the late Lubavitcher
Rebbe Menachem Schneerson told Kaduri that he would live to see the coming of
the Messiah.
Also in September 2005,
Kaduri said: "The Messiah is already in Israel. Whatever people are sure will
not happen is liable to happen, and whatever we are certain will happen may
disappoint us. But in the end, there will be peace throughout the world."
As a lifelong student and
teacher of kabbalah, Kaduri rejected a meeting requested by pop superstar
Madonna, who dabbled in the ancient art of Jewish mysticism. He reportedly said
at the time: "It is forbidden to teach a non-Jew kabbalah, not even Talmud, not
even simple Torah."
Kaduri is said to have been
one of the few known living practitioners who used his knowledge of kabbalah to
affect change in the world. He would often distribute amulets intended to heal,
enhance fertility and bring success. He was also believed to have been involved
in the removal of 20 dybbuks, or lost souls that strayed into the hapless bodies
of living people to torment them.
Aviel Schneider, the author
of the Israel Today story, said the worldwide reaction to news of Kaduri's note
has been "crazy." He said he has never received so many emails and calls from
around the globe.
He said he was urged not to
publish the story by the rabbi's yeshiva, where officials said it was
"impossible" that the note was actually written by Kaduri.
But Schneider was given
access to many of the rabbi's manuscripts, written in his own hand for the
exclusive use of his students. He was struck by symbols painted by Kaduri all
over the pages.
"They were crosses," said
Schneider. "In the Jewish tradition, you don't use crosses. You don't even use
plus signs because they might be mistaken for crosses. But there they were,
painted in his own hand."
Asked what those symbols
meant, Kaduri's family said they were "signs of the angel."
Re:
Thousands flee as Quake hits China Wed May 28, 2008 1:06 pm
Actually the thought of Karma did enter my mind
over the few days but personally I think its the global warming effect with
heavier seas and more pressure on the plates and in a sense its a physical
response to a spiritual limited attitude as to the cause of Global warming of
which we all share perhaps without realizing.
It could be ultimately Karma but that is a blame we all share and not one
nations should be isolated as we are family really and we all have an input
into the condition of the planet.
About the dress Oh I just posted it because it was part of the article.
EARTHQUAKES and aftershocks have damaged
2,385 reservoirs and hydropower stations across the country as of
yesterday, the earthquake and relief headquarters of the Ministry of
Water Resources has said, Xinhua reported.
Two reservoirs reported damage yesterday in Hunan Province. Both
classified the damage as the third most dangerous according to a
three-level scale, the report said.
The report did not give details on the damage.
A 5.4-magnitude aftershock shook Qingchuan County in Sichuan Province
yesterday afternoon and it was followed by another centered in Ningqiang
County in neighboring Shaanxi Province.
Four damaged reservoirs were categorized as large and 74 were mid-sized,
the report said. Sixty-nine reservoirs were on the highest alert and the
ministry has dispatched 18 expert teams to these locations to prevent
them from busting, the report said.
In Sichuan, where the 8.0-magnitude quake struck on May 12, the
provincial government has repaired 496 damaged reservoirs, the report
added.
Sevens
Re:
Thousands flee as Quake hits China Thu May 29, 2008 12:22 pm
Hi
One way they could check the authenticity of this document to check out the
places in China found in the Journey like.
The TiTao pass which is called the HEXI Pass these days. I found out later the
TiTao/Hexi pass that begins in Dingxi (formerly TiTao) near Lanchow/Lanzhou on
the Yellow River where the corridor extends 1600km to the east entering the
Sinkiang and the Tarim River Basin area. There are Neolithic sites found in
Lanchow/Lanzhou
Another place is Suifu just South of Chengdu near the epicenter of the
disaster.
Also I want to share that there is a shrine on the Hill in Sufui which has
spiritual signicance and I feel it holds a few mysteries which could point to
a few things...my hunch!
Here is how this Chinese boy God is represented today looking at the Video
below. This ancient Chinese character is represented today as a anime super
hero. Could it be that due to this focalization into the Chinese religions
with understanding that this character could be instrumental in avoiding the
outcome of a potential disaster. By finding the shrine of the super hero anime
figure within the research. Could this character be used today in projecting a
warning of the current climate, Knowing that the truth beyond this character
and in this research leads to Jesus' teachings and to the Melchizedeks
original truths.
The Dragon symbol as explained in the Urantia Book is representative of the
dark side.
Could it be that the above video is
in fact a metaphor of the spiritual battle we have today of the truth
vanquishing un truth realizing correction and new destiny. Is the Boy
God of the Chinese religion Nezha is in fact a metaphor of what we face today?
in the fight of truth in this journey to the ancient places in the Chinese
culture?? Maybe this was the point of the change of
direction in this journey that focalised on the Melchizedek truths that lead
to the discovery of Suifu Hill in China and the prophetic shrine on top of a
respected mountain within the city.
Its like a triangle mountain and look familiar and note the house of the Boy
God which shows the mount had spiritual and religious significance.
Here is how this Chinese boy God is represented today looking at the Video
below. This ancient Chinese character is represented today as a anime super
hero. Could it be that due to this focalization into the Chinese religions
with understanding that this character could be instrumental in avoiding the
outcome of a potential disaster in a metaphorical sense considering the
current world climate. By finding the shrine of the super hero anime
figure within the research. Could this character be used today in projecting a
warning of the current climate, Knowing that the truth beyond this character
and in this research leads to Jesus' teachings and to the Melchizedeks
original truths.
The Dragon symbol as explained in the Urantia Book is representative of the
dark side.
Could it be that the above video is in fact a metaphor of the spiritual battle
we have today of the truth vanquishing un truth realizing correction and new
destiny. Is the Boy God of the Chinese religion Nezha is in fact a metaphor of
what we face today? in the fight of truth in this journey to the ancient
places in the Chinese culture?? Maybe this was the point of the change of
direction in this journey that focalized on the Melchizedek truths that lead
to the discovery of Suifu Hill in China and the prophetic shrine on top of a
respected mountain within the city.
Now just looking at the story of Nehza I can see strong parallel at the end of
the story that connects to the overall plan of this journey. Apart from the
weird goings on in the story, the end is the real truth of this story
reconciliation between Father and Son and in relation to Heaven.
Here is a fragment of the end of the tale that I feel holds the truth. However
associated with gambling and numbers I feel is not related to the truth and is
a sign degradation of the truth within the tale. God/Paradise is not
interested in chance, luck and gambling! but only in certainty and faith where
man achieves the truth victory. However there is a supernal truth within the
tale and that is Victory over untruth and division and reconciliation between
Father and Son.
Quote:
But the
JADE-EMPEROR, who couldn't help feeling that his original plan had gone
somewhat awry, intervened and made peace between them. Father and son
joined forces and thus begain their heroic career of demon-slaying.
Many years later, when LI-NEZHA was back in Heaven enjoying the rewards of
his labors,
mortals back on Earth began to worship him as a God of Lotteries and
Gambling. Of all the Chinese Gods, he's probably the only one mischievous
enough to reveal the winning numbers.
I feel to associate God or the Gods with luck and
gambling is an abomination and Paradise finds is offensive! All gambling
for greed and selfishness is absolutley against the direction of Paradise!
There is no Luck no such things and that thought process in completely low
level to that of the rebel.
Even though this comes from different culture it still has all the hallmark of
the direction of this journey!
All the best
sevens
Re:
Thousands flee as Quake hits China Thu May 29, 2008 11:13 pm
Wow Petra!
I sounds like its all happening!
Just looking at the Earthquake watch there is a major earthquake everyday
Ancient China Map note Lanchow and the prehistoric site near were
the Hexi Pass or the TiTao pass began or ended depending which way you traveled.
Note the ancient name of the river the Tao Ho and notice the
arrows of migration along the Hexi/TiTao Pass in the province of Kansu which
totally confirms the Urantia Book.
and here is the extract from the Urantia Book which
is fulfilled in this map and the Urantia Book still uses the old name of Kansu
which was changed to Gansu.
line 138:
About fifteen thousand years ago the Andites, in considerable numbers, were
traversing the pass of Ti Tao and
spreading out over the upper valley
of the Yellow River among
the Chinese settlements of Kansu.
Presently they penetrated eastward to Honan, where the most progressive
settlements were situated. This infiltration from the west was about half
Andonite and half Andite.
In regards to Suifu here is the Urantia
Fragment regarding Suifu
A book that is a milestone in the history of
Australia-China relations is George Ernest Morrison's An Australian in China.
The title of the Chinese translation is "Zhongguo Fengqing", which can be
translated back into English as something like "The Charms of China" (with the
vagueness and ambiguity that that entails). While the translator may feel that,
as a Chinese person, he has a more authoritative understanding of China than a
foreigner 100 years earlier had had, in fact he has obviously not done any
textual research. In Morrison's text there is a placename that is spelled
"Suifu".This refers to the present-day town
of Yibin, which was formerly known as
Xufu. "Xufu"
is how the Chinese characters for the placename would be rendered in the modern
Pinyin system of romanisation, but in the romanisation system popular during
Morrison's time it was spelt "Suifu". Disregarding this fact, the
translator has tried to find the place with the closest match to "Suifu" in
modern Pinyin romanisation, and has decided that Suifu is in fact meant to be
the small town of Shuifu. Later on in the translation, a reference to the "right
bank" of the river is changed to "left bank" for the sake of consistency with
this mistranslation. The translator even goes so far as to insert a note saying
that this is a mistake of the author's. It is quite outrageous.
line 96: As
the Salem missionaries passed through Asia, spreading the doctrine of the Most
High God and salvation through faith, they absorbed much of the philosophy and
religious thought of the various countries traversed. But the teachers
commissioned by Melchizedek and his successors did not default in their trust;
they did penetrate to all peoples of the Eurasian continent, and it was in the
middle of the second millennium before Christ that they arrived in China. At
See
Fuch, for more than one hundred years, the Salemites
maintained their headquarters, there training Chinese teachers who taught
throughout all the domains of the yellow race.
and more about Suifu
A county administration was set up there in the 2nd century
bc, and it first received the name
I-pin in 742. Until the Sung dynasty (960–1279) the minor frontier
prefecture there was called Jung, but, with the rapid expansion of Szechwan in
Sung times, it grew rapidly, receiving its modern county name and becoming the
seat of the prefecture of Hsü. In Ming (1368–1644) and Ch’ing (1644–1911)
times, it became Hsü-chou superior prefecture, known to
Europeans as Suifu.
In 1912 it reverted to the status of a county as
I-pin. In 1913
steamship communication with Ch’ung-ch’ing was opened, and it subsequently
grew into a major collection and distribution centre dependent upon
Ch’ung-ch’ing. Its commercial development progressed during World War II, when
there was an influx of eastern merchants; some industry was also founded.
