The Targum from the
Beginnings
"on the run
thoughts" As it is written daily, the
path and soul of the journey
leading to great and fabulous discoveries with realizations and
directionalisation
entering into great things!
Also there is a proposal for a 3rd expedition to 1st Eden that you might be
interested in!! Discovery of Atlantis
Discovery of Atlantis 3rd expedition proposal
THE HOUR HAS COME
THE TIME HAS ARRIVED
The declaration in Spirit of the 3rd
expedition to 1st Eden, "the Valley of the Shadow of
Death"
Psalm 23
There is no better time than now.
11th March 2011
From tablet 73
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But I thought this UB fragment from the above was relevant
Quote:
Mortal
mind subservient to matter is destined to
become increasingly
material and
consequently to
suffer eventual
personality extinction
The dense material always eventually goes to the middle of the earth. So would a
separated soul venture the same path of heavier material? detained before
personality extinction made by the Ancients of Days at the adjudication?
One thing we will know all the truth about this subject in the future.
Well one thing for sure, that study on Hell made me think many things about
myself to be honest and Im going to refrain as best as possible to NOT judge my
fellow man and to be more loving and my best to live Jesus' life in spirit
towards my fellow man.
There is no way I want separation from the Father and Jesus. No way man! Even if
there is even an incling of truth in that in that Im going to be more aware.
Those sounds shocked the living daylights out of me.
What a horrible place, if that is the case and the bible says so that its the
case quite clearly. Revelation has the description.
It makes one think!
Well regarding the journey to the ancient places all I can say is that I was all
truthful and sincere using best the I had around to find the truth of the matter
in the books and I never was in a mind to manipulate or to create something with
premeditation It just happened as things occur to me as I reached the hidden
tracks left by land marks in the description of things regarding all things of
the ancient cities.
All things material Ive invested in this, Im broke but yet inspired by the
Father of Heaven in how the journey has led me to great places and throughout
the world. Im very happy to be part of the resurrection of the Melchizedek truth
that helps man avoid those dire consequences of what we just saw.
I wouldn't want that on any man and Jesus is the way, praise the Lord almighty,
well I hope I can overcome my weakness as best I can and do a good job
ultimately without any failure if I can. But I know when you are inspired by the
Father and your thoughts are concentrating on the threads of truth in vigor its
a beautiful experience where there is no separation form within.
Action of the oneness of the Holy Spirit and the Father fragment from within.
Praise the Lord for that construct of the man that enables him to find the
victory within himself over the self. Through unselfish acts!
That's another area I suffer from. That's probably why I do this as the balance
to that selfishness and by me sharing my work on the run I eventually become
unselfish through the action of the Father. It can be a hard road though!
We can only do our best and be conscious of all things.
Here is a Urantia book fragment about Hell
according to the Hindu tradition
"God is our Father, the earth our mother,
and the universe our birthplace. Without God the soul is a prisoner; to know
God releases the soul. By meditation on God, by union with him, there comes
deliverance from the illusions of evil and ultimate salvation from all
material fetters. When man shall roll up space as a piece of leather, then
will come the end of evil because man has found God. O God, save us from the
threefold ruin of hell--lust, wrath, and avarice! O soul, gird yourself for
the spirit struggle of immortality! When the end of mortal life comes,
hesitate not to forsake this body for a more fit and beautiful form and to
awake in the realms of the Supreme and Immortal, where there is no fear,
sorrow, hunger, thirst, or death. To know God is to cut the cords of death.
The God-knowing soul rises in the universe like the cream appears on top of
the milk. We worship God, the all-worker, the Great Soul, who is ever seated
in the heart of his creatures. And they who know that God is enthroned in
the human heart are destined to become like him--immortal.
Evil must be left behind in this world,
but virtue follows the soul to heaven.
"It is only the wicked who say: The universe has neither truth nor a ruler;
it was only designed for our lusts. Such souls are deluded by the smallness
of their intellects. They thus abandon themselves to the enjoyment of their
lusts and deprive their souls of the joys of virtue and the pleasures of
righteousness. What can be greater than to experience salvation from sin?
The man who has seen the Supreme is immortal.
Man's friends of the
flesh cannot
survive death; virtue alone walks by man's
side as he journeys ever onward toward
the gladsome and sunlit fields of Paradise."
I was really impressed with this fragment you posted
Quote:
And mention when your Lord took from the
children of Adam -
from their loins - their descendants and made them
testify of themselves,
[saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes,
we have testified." This - lest you
should say on the day of Resurrection,
"Indeed, we were of this unaware." 7.172
For me in my personal journey this verse had great meaning. The journey to the
ancient places does incorporate 1stEden, its were the journey began from me and
the journey has been on going experience of discovery on all levels. Being an on
going testimony you never know what you uncover the next day, everyday has been
different and has been quite exciting. For me it has truly evolved into a very
exciting experience and I believe it involves the highest level of universal
government of Paradise.
I am absolutely sure that this journey in uncovering the hidden track is very
significant but it has to be tested and confirmed and the way is to go out to
Dalamatia City in the Persian Gulf where all religions and countries of the area
are involved to prove the matter of the journey or the Targum, the
interpretation on the fly.
That would be the way to confirm it. It would be good if all truth seekers of
each culture was there to witness of what maybe a great discovery in the
physical led by books and self realisation for mankind pointing Paradise ward.
Its also an opportunity to bring all man together in the oneness of the
revelation that related to origins which a complete record in truth and
discovery.
There is no way anyone could manufacture this considering the City in the
Persian Gulf is submerged is at about 80 meters well according to NASA.
If we could go out there and prove the city with all to witness it could provide
the platform in the demonstration for Paradise to respond ...quite possible! and
it proves the record as foreseen in the books.
I believe this could be the enlightenment and upstep that all religions have
been looking for and provides the foundation of evidence that each religion
contains within their book of reference of which can be harmonized together,
forming a oneness in truth and therefore providing safe passage through the
abyss of judgment.
Yet the embedded truth of the journey from a prospective unique to the culture
is in their book and yet in all this time there was a new book instrumental in
the base information of the discoveries and that by the verification of the
cities brought about a unity between the religions i
the demonstration but never took anything away from anyone.
Well, that's the hope I have in finding commonality together, harmonizing our
common journey on the path to the one God of Paradise! and I feel, for our time
it will emanate from the ancient cities of our origins submerged and that the
discovery will highlight the whole complete truth of our history and provide
expanded truth in the discovery which will assist man to walk closer with the
realm of Paradise in his personal walk of his life.
All the best
Sevens8
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 08, 2008 6:51 am
Here is a link to video of a well seal found in the islands of
Patmos and Mykonos. The author of the video feels its could have a connection
in metaphor in the description of the Seven seals made by John in revelation
and with Saturn which I can understand. However I see some other things in
metaphor. This type of seal is also used to secure tombs like Jesus' tomb. In
metaphor I see the Seven Seals in both doors protecting protecting something
that is buried from ages past, or like a plug sealing a well it could like the
plug of the Living waters of the last revelation of our times. The Seventh
seal related to this journey working is like working through the books in the
focalization to the cities of past ages and by discovering the hidden paths
along the way breaks the great Seventh mystery as we discover further the
truth, unlocking the tombs of ancient cities of the past. Identical in type to
the well seal or perhaps the Seventh Seal protecting the tomb of the cities.
All in the same spiritual type and metaphor!
Notice the 3 concentric circles on the outer ring and more rings on the
circular door of the well seal. Probably Seven in all!
In symbolism points to the Melchizedek Symbol which
is the base symbol of this journey!
The Well Seal or the Seventh Seal used in Metaphor by John
of Revelation! This well seal can be found on Patmos Island.
I thought it was an interesting connection apparently these can be found on
the isle of Patmos.
Although some people seem to think its a seal pointing to Saturn! I feel it
has something to do with the Sevenfold! symbolized by the Seven rings look at
it from Johns perspective and in light of this journey to the cities.
The Greek word CARAKTHR means: the collective qualities of a person, or
a
role played by an actor. It also means a
written letter,
symbol, or an engraving:
"This
is his seal which is in his forehead."
The small vertical line in the nucleus of the top circle drawing is not
present in the bottom circle,
but it dwells "in his forehead."
Though still largely unknown to the general reading public, The Book of
Jeu diagrams are probably the world's oldest graphic images of the
"seal of God"
as mentioned in St John's Revelation: "And I saw another angel ascending
from the east,
having the seal
of the living God: and he cried with a
loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and
the sea, Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till
we have sealed
the servants of our God in their
foreheads."
(- Revelation 7:2-3)
And what are the main symbols of the journey to the ancient places? The
circles whether it be co planar or concentric. The seal of the Melchizedek,
the new Planetary Prince of this planet installed by Jesus.
Didn't Ezekiel have a similar descriptions of a wheel within
a wheel within a wheel resembling something close to the seal of Patmos or
John or even the Sevenfold seal?
Certainly fits the description of the Well Seal, two wheels
within one and the 3rd wheel being the shaft to the lock.
The symbol of the Seventh Book of Moses, note
the 3 concentric Melchizedek circles and the 7 circles of the Sevenfold which
is the Symbol, of the Seventh mystery.
The symbol of the Seventh Book of Moses
From Moses to John on Patmos the same symbol of the Melchizedek and to our day. How
beautiful!
Here is another interesting triangle
circle symbol.
All the relevant symbols seen in these Kabala
symbols and seen and recognized in the journey to the ancient places.
Quite incredible to come across this major
confirmation in the symbolism all related to the Seventh seal and encompasses
all the symbolism of the journey to the ancient places all linked by the 3 co
planar circles, 3 concentric circles and the triangle circle symbol found in
all the the cities of past Epochs. Another Symbol is the 7 circles of the
Sevenfold!
Praise the Lord!
I tell you what those seal are on my forehead as the journey
has been been a fulltime journey ranging from 12hrs to 18hrs a day for a while
now just searching the books, following inner thoughts and discovering
connections that I reckon links and parallels with my direction.
Sevens
Re:
Double-Triple+ Mileage! Triple Power! No-Downsizing! Tue Jun 10, 2008 2:01 am
Hey Geo
Loved the post and love the cars, Gee the US make some nice looking cars and
RV's.
I love the thought that the car companies are now beginning to produce cars
powered by all the fuels. Its already beginning and the OPEC companies are
slowly on the way out. There is the door buddy!
Public opinion from the screw of Opec will actually weaken OPEC. As we sort
new energy alternatives that horrible cartel will be in the background. They
will loose their power by pushing the prices higher with motive. No doubt
religion is in the background somewhere!!
With Biofuel, if they use crops to produce the fuel I feel its a mistake as we
need crops for food. However, there have been advances by creating bio fuel
out of fast growing algae and of simple rubbish from paper with a new
technique.
The death knell to the power of OPEC and the oil companies can be heard and
the automakers are changing their direction. Its all about economics and
public opinion and there is no way that the auto companies are going sacrifice
themselves to the oil companies. They will abandon the oil companies if its a
matter of self survival and economics.
The sooner the
US can forward themselves in this direction the better of it will be. I
believe they must go through this transition to rid themselves of things that
hold the people back like OPEC and all that low level thinking.
All the best and great pics and thread
sevens
posted
06-09-2008 08:19 PM
I suppose the same thing happened with
Dalamatia City as it was destroyed due to sudden submergence. The evidence of
this is large reserves of Gas below the city and in the surrounding areas.
I wonder if these places that are supposedly submerged have large gas deposits
underneath?? Gas is evidence of over heated oil is due to immense pressure of
rapid submergence.
Sevens
Re:
Double-Triple+ Mileage! Triple Power! No-Downsizing! Tue
Jun 10, 2008 3:50 am
Hey JHM
I agree with your above post, However in Australia, there have been advances
by creating bio fuel out of fast growing algae and of simple rubbish from
paper with a new technique.
Hopefully, we can use crops for food only rather than for fuel by using this
alternative fast growing algae and rubbish conversion.
Hopefully! its not too little to soon! because of economics only!
I tell you there is absolutely no love for the
Western nations from the OPEC nations that is for sure! Even though they like
the power and money but Funny enough because of their attitude it provides a
good correction for mankind in his energy use. So out of negative can come
positive in attitude that lead to change!
sevens
Re:
King David's birthday- You gotta see this one! Tue Jun 10, 2008 4:07 am
That's quite interesting, I also found out that my
birthday was on the same date that Israel proclaimed its country to the world
but my birth year was 13 years later but on May 14th same date as the
proclamation by Israel!
Very interesting working with date and numbers particularly in the Seven
pattern. Pattern of the Father on Paradise/Kingdom of Heaven. Maybe we are
being grouped for the work of the Lord were we realize these interesting
patterns within our Birthdates and how it relates to the work of the Lord in
the latter days in our journeys. Maybe these are personal signs of realisation
for us personally as we go through the abyss of the latter days.
No worries thanks for the email, the research is going very well and I feel
happy with it I think I have reached an end to research which led me the isle
of Patmos and the well seals which maybe the thing John was looking at when he
was writing about the Seventh Seal, like well seal of everliving waters of
truth in metaphor related to the seventh mystery revealed at the end days.
In the same moment I found symbols used in the Seventh book of Moses and a few
other symbols in other related books that completely confirmed all the
symbolism found in the path of the journey.
I think it felt like a conclusion to the on the run research but Im not sure
as you never know what you find everyday. But coming to the symbols in
harmony to the journey was like a finale. Now its time to go out there so at
the moment Im getting prices and see what it takes to do an
expedition.
Hey thanks for your enquiry 12 Apostles, I believe this is the path of the One
God of Paradise/The Kingdom of Heaven and so far in this journey of faith I
have not been disappointed
with the research. Actually
I feel enthusiastic, the
attitude the Father likes to see by the Sons of the Father happily doing the
will the Father in the way see in their life.
Hey no worries 12 Apostles but I also place
faith in the prophets of old and the words of Jesus and combine much from
different levels of knowledge in the focalization to the ancient places.
You know 12 Apostles because of the Urantia Book I understand the Bible so
much better and I feel great respect and love for the prophets of old. It
was the Urantia Book that led me into the great journey but not only that.
It was all the books of religion that also confirmed my journey to the
ancient places. Because I found so many connections and parallels in my
focalization I grew so much love for the Father more so, knowing that he
really loves us and he is with us all the time and is there when we reach
out to him and ask for help in faith knowing that he is our friend.
I say praise the Lord and I praise the Lord for the Bible, the great book of
the prophets and all the other books alike.
As you know I am on the journey to the ancient places attempting to find
parallels and connections to the ancient places mentioned in the Urantia Book.
In the journey I flit all over the place as I come across connections. Just
recently in the journey I came across a site called the screams of hell which
was a audio file recorded by some Siberians drilling outfit who drilled a whole
14 kilometers deep and hit upon a cavity. They dropped a microphone down the
hole and heard these screams of a thousands of people.
The audio tape disturbed but prompted me to consider the thought of hell.
Below are some posts about what I found and some thoughts.
Quote
Now here
is something that I found quite disturbing and could relate to the underworld
of the sleeping souls who have no rest, awaiting judgement when Jesus comes
back. For those who live truth, beauty and goodness showing love for one
another in the spirit of Jesus actually go straight to the mansion worlds
after their death. Those who spurn appear detained in a place of no rest by
the sounds of it and do no progress into the kingdom of Heaven.
Its very disturbing but it could serve as a warning for unbelief and for those
who spurn the Father and destroy mankind in there own way throughout their
life.
Dr Maurice Rawlings - NDE - To Hell and Back
and here is another post from the Urantia prospective
Quote
Here is a
fragment from the Urantia Book which in the highlight seems like interesting
perception of personality extinction. But you have to read the link in
context.
Quote
PAPER
102 - THE FOUNDATIONS OF RELIGIOUS FAITH, Oct 19 2000
line 27: To the unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary
accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal
imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of
the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display
of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave.
The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the
best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and
lonely night of eternal
oblivion and soul extinction
. Nameless despair is man's only reward for living and
toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly
and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and
relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to
everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.
line
107: In the inner experience of man, mind is joined to matter.
Such material-linked minds cannot survive mortal death.
The technique of survival
is embraced in those adjustments of the human will and
those transformations in the mortal mind whereby such a
God-conscious intellect gradually becomes spirit taught and eventually
spirit led. This evolution of the human mind
from matter association to spirit union results in the transmutation of the
potentially spirit phases of the mortal mind into the morontia realities of
the immortal soul. Mortal mind subservient to
matter is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to
suffer eventual
personality extinction
; mind yielded to spirit is
destined to become increasingly spiritual and ultimately to achieve oneness
with the surviving and guiding divine spirit and in this way to
attain survival and eternity of personality existence
Sevens
and here is another post
Quote
With the
sounds of hell post
Here is the counter balance story to the original story.
This man died...and returned..Heaven and Hell are
real
Quote
Mortal mind subservient to matter is destined to
become increasingly material
and consequently to
suffer eventual personality extinction
The dense material always eventually goes to the middle of the earth. So would
a separated soul venture the same path of heavier material? detained before
personality extinction made by the Ancients of Days at the adjudication?
One thing we will know all the truth about this subject in the future.
Well one thing for sure, that study on Hell made me think many things about
myself to be honest and Im going to refrain as best as possible to NOT judge
my fellow man and to be more loving and my best to live Jesus' life in spirit
towards my fellow man.
There is no way I want separation from the Father and Jesus. No way man! Even
if there is even an incling of truth in that in that Im going to be more
aware. Those sounds shocked the living daylights out of me.
What a horrible place, if that is the case and the bible says so that its the
case quite clearly. Revelation has the description.
It makes one think!
Well regarding the journey to the ancient places all I can say is that I was
all truthful and sincere using best the I had around to find the truth of the
matter in the books and I never was in a mind to manipulate or to create
something with premeditation It just happened as things occur to me as I
reached the hidden tracks left by land marks in the description of things
regarding all things of the ancient cities.
All things material Ive invested in this, Im broke but yet inspired by the
Father of Heaven in how the journey has led me to great places and throughout
the world. Im very happy to be part of the resurrection of the Melchizedek
truth that helps man avoid those dire consequences of what we just saw.
I wouldn't want that on any man and Jesus is the way, praise the Lord
almighty, well I hope I can overcome my weakness as best I can and do a good
job ultimately without any failure if I can. But I know when you are inspired
by the Father and your thoughts are concentrating on the threads of truth in
vigor its a beautiful experience where there is no separation form within.
Action of the oneness of the Holy Spirit and the Father fragment from within.
Praise the Lord for that construct of the man that enables him to find the
victory within himself over the self. Through unselfish acts!
That's another area I suffer from. That's probably why I do this as the
balance to that selfishness and by me sharing my work on the run I eventually
become unselfish through the action of the Father. It can be a hard road
though!
We can only do our best and be conscious of all things.
Here is a Urantia book fragment about Hell according to the Hindu tradition
"God is
our Father, the earth our mother, and the universe our birthplace. Without
God the soul is a prisoner; to know God releases the soul. By meditation on
God, by union with him, there comes deliverance from the illusions of evil
and ultimate salvation from all material fetters. When man shall roll up
space as a piece of leather, then will come the end of evil because man has
found God. O God, save us from the threefold ruin of hell--lust, wrath, and
avarice! O soul, gird yourself for the spirit struggle of immortality! When
the end of mortal life comes, hesitate not to forsake this body for a more
fit and beautiful form and to awake in the realms of the Supreme and
Immortal, where there is no fear, sorrow, hunger, thirst, or death. To know
God is to cut the cords of death. The God-knowing soul rises in the universe
like the cream appears on top of the milk. We worship God, the all-worker,
the Great Soul, who is ever seated in the heart of his creatures. And they
who know that God is enthroned in the human heart are destined to become
like him--immortal.
Evil must be left behind in this world,
but virtue follows the soul to heaven.
"It is only the wicked who say: The universe has neither truth nor a ruler;
it was only designed for our lusts. Such souls are deluded by the smallness
of their intellects. They thus abandon themselves to the enjoyment of their
lusts and deprive their souls of the joys of virtue and the pleasures of
righteousness. What can be greater than to experience salvation from sin?
The man who has seen the Supreme is immortal.
Man's friends of the flesh
cannot survive death;
virtue alone walks by man's side as he journeys ever onward toward
the gladsome and sunlit
fields of Paradise."
Sevens
In the final analysis Im not sure whether this is a hoax or not and it seems to
me that the Ancients of Days can only execute personality extinction when they
are all together like in a dispensational change.
It appears to me that after death depending on your status
That there are those that go straight to the mansions worlds
There are those that sleep until judgement occurs
And I wonder if there are those that have no sleep and unrest through there
separation.
Also there seems to be a 4 minute period after death where your mental processes
are still working. It could be that in this 4 minute period most human beings,
(depending on their death) go through a self realisation of themselves and what
they face due to their witness in their life. It seems to be a common
experience amongst those who went through the near death experience and they all
have the same story. The thing in common is that they called out to the Jesus
in their time of trial and Jesus never failed them.
Well Im not taking any chances here and I dont want any one to go through such a
horrible reality.
It maybe that a place of unrest might actually exist where there is no sleep, as
we know Evil cannot go to heaven and so it must be kept somewhere before it can
be fully extinguished by all the 3 Ancients of Days present.
So Im thinking perhaps one aspect of the personality after death is kept in a
place detention for those who are evil in the sight of God. Hell seems like
place realisation of all sorts of things of unrest, it seems obvious that the
spiritual unrest follows you and gives you no sleep.
Look all Im saying is take no chances on this one. Its all to do with Jesus our
Saviour and if anyone dies and comes into this Near Death Experience or death
experience and has problems Just call out for Jesus that's all and with
sincerity which Im sure anyone would be sincere at a time like that.
that 4 minute period could be very significant to where you go, so call out the
name of Jesus if you have problems or remember this post and call out to Jesus
if your in a mire of problems with the inevitability.
I dont want anyone to fall short of heaven. Im not sure if the Siberian screams
of Hell is true or not. However, Im assuming there is some truth in a place of
detention of Evil before the ancient Days come for judgement.
Whilst there are those that sleep in peace there must be those that have no
spiritual sleep! and where are they kept before judgement??
I wouldnt mind some thoughts
from the Urantia Brothers on this. I think it would be good to look into the
matter of Hell.
Does the Urantia Book says there is no Hell? I cant find that reference. It
would be a good study for the benefit of man to
actualy determine the truth of Hell and if there
exists a place of detention on Earth where the survivors have no rest whilst on
the other hand there are sleeping survivors that have the peaceful rest.
Sincerely
Sevens
posted
06-10-2008 07:15 PM
Hi here is some
study to see if Hell
is Real.
But because I cant post this up because of this silly thing you have to go to
this link to check out the study
quote:
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The circuit of the archangels then operated for the first time from
Urantia. Gabriel and the archangel hosts moved to the place of the
spiritual polarity of the planet; and when Gabriel gave the signal, there
flashed to the first of the system mansion worlds the voice of Gabriel,
saying: "By the mandate of Michael, let the dead of a Urantia dispensation
rise!" Then
all the survivors of the human races of Urantia who had
fallen asleep since the days of Adam, and
who had not already
gone on to judgment, appeared in the
resurrection halls of mansonia
in readiness for morontia investiture. And
in an instant of time the seraphim and their associates made ready to
depart for the mansion worlds. Ordinarily these seraphic guardians,
onetime assigned to the group custody of these surviving mortals, would
have been present at the moment of their awaking in the resurrection halls
of mansonia, but they
were on this world itself at this time because of the necessity of
Gabriel's presence here in connection with the
morontia resurrection of Jesus.
So what happened to the one that had no sleep or unrest?
As
related to fusion candidates, if a Mystery Monitor is deserted by the
mortal associate, if the human partner declines to pursue the ascending
career, when
released by natural death (or prior
thereto), the Adjuster carries away
everything of survival value which has evolved in the mind of that
nonsurviving creature. If an
Adjuster should repeatedly fail to attain fusion personality because of
the nonsurvival of
successive human subjects, and if this Monitor should subsequently be
personalized, all the acquired experience of having indwelt and mastered
all these mortal minds would become the actual possession of such a newly
Personalized Adjuster, an endowment to be enjoyed and utilized throughout
all future ages. A Personalized Adjuster of this order is a composite
assembly of all the survival traits of all his former creature hosts.
To me the above highlights that during/after death there
is an opportunity of decision. "when released by
natural death (or prior thereto)," This is also marked by the
testimony of those who Had Near Death Experiences where Jesus came in response
to their pleas in a very sticky situation. They all made positive appeals to
Jesus and he came to save them like a friend and Saviour.
Fair dinkum I wouldn't want to risk anything...Just say if your all wrong and
its a reality! As we hear!
Far out that would be the most terrible thing for anyone to go through. Plus all
the books speak of a place like this, surely they could not be all wrong on this
subject!
The Urantia Book from what I can see doesn't deny it or says it exists. Maybe
its something we have to assume as we look through all the keywords and see what
it uncovers.
Maybe its left up in the air for us to consider.
It also appears that during death there is an decision time for those who have
made no decision for survival for whatever reason, a last minute decision time
between you and the Father. This may explain the near death experience of all
those people in the original post who came back speaking of there experience
with Jesus and the Testamony of their experience. This experience I assume is
occurring during the 4 minute period where the mental process are still
operating and yet the body is clinically dead.
Sevens
posted
06-10-2008 10:24 PM
quote:
All that "reality" is on any form is
code in execution...
or a state of deletion.
The mind is connected to the soul, that's how personality develops, all the
decisions and experience in this life shapes the personality which has an
eternal endowment that has survivability.
After the death in a normal circumstance it appears that the mind process are
still operating to a degree where this NDE event occurs. So technically the mind
is still alive and connected to the soul but in midway point. Perhaps the
thought adjuster at that time makes contact with the personality as in the light
and speaks to the Soul/personality (eternal aspect) in a way that is understood
with a decision to make. The last minute opportunity for personality survival.
Evil cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven and evil personalities cannot be
extinguished until the 3 Ancient of Days arrive for judgment so it must be
stored somewhere as evil is energy and it must go somewhere. It must go
somewhere to be stored and its heavy and dense. Being heavy and dense it must go
toward the center of the earth as the more material one becomes, the heavier he
becomes in the personality. Heavy elements eventually are drawn to the center of
the earth like perhaps the heavy material traits of man created upon his poor
decisions in life which led to an evil will.
Speculation but still looking into it but it seems to make some sense to me.
Hi I just read about Ubar, fascinating and I also
read the information about the Ad, truly an interesting recital. For me it is
a type of today in the world we find ourselves in.
Quote:
The 'Ad (people) rejected the
messenger.
Behold, their brother Hud said to them: “Will ye not fear (Allah)?
I am to you a messenger worthy
of all trust:
So fear Allah and obey me. No reward do I ask of you for it: my
reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds.
Do ye build a landmark on every high place to amuse yourselves? And
do ye get for yourselves fine buildings in the hope of living
therein (for ever)? And when ye exert your strong hand, do ye do it
like men of absolute power?
Now fear Allah, and obey me.
Yea, fear Him Who has bestowed
on you freely all that ye know.
Freely has He bestowed on you
cattle and sons,-
And Gardens and Springs.
Truly I fear for you the
Penalty of a Great Day.”
They said: “It is the same to us whether thou admonish us or be not
among (our) admonishers!
This is no other than a customary device of the ancients, And we are
not the ones to receive Pains and Penalties!”
So they rejected him, and We
destroyed them. Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not
believe.
And verily thy Lord is He, the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.
(Surat ash-Shuara: 123-140)
When I look at the above, In red Im noting the
characteristics of the last messenger. It appears that the Last messenger asks
for no reward for his message and gives it out freely, it seems to be
rejected, I noticed references to Gardens and Springs and it makes me think
does that have reference to our origins of the past as in multiple cities in a
discovery representing the truth of the path of the tree of life in the past
related to its immortality by the eating of the fruit and the cities built
around it at various past epochal times? Gardens and springs like multiple
places where the tree of life was in the past??
and then this reference where it associates with the ancients and almost
proves that certain devices of the ancients relied upon actually fail the Ad
or man in this day of judgement and it seems to me they where they felt they
were above judgment or above Allah! Bad mistake!
Quote:
This is no other than a customary device of
the ancients,
And we are not the ones to receive Pains and Penalties!”
It appears that the message given in the
beforehand and the message is all related to the day of Judgment where Allah
will require mans soul in his motivation and action.
Just some thoughts but I am fascinated and Im glad I can have dialogue with
someone to seek the truth of the matter and intent of the one God of Paradise!
I also would like to know if possible who the Ad are of this day? and where do
they live? or is that representative of a race or something. What happened to
the Ad?
And the last message is related to a sign and
what is that sign for our day
Quote:
So they rejected him, and We
destroyed them. Verily in this is a Sign: but most of them do not
believe.
Is it a sign that comes from the past?
After the message was rejected a great wind came and destroyed Ubar. In this
Ubar can be the planet and the people who reject the last message and test if
faith will be dealt with like the Ad.
I think there is no difference to today than what happened in Ubar. I believe
the story of Ubar is a clear type for today in our reality.
still looking into things
all the best
Sevens8
posted
06-10-2008 11:58 PM
Here is a previous
post from a few days ago
I just saw this video.
I thought it was absolutely truthful and it completely confirm my personal
journey and reminds me when the conversation of this thread was about the
Destroyer/the Angona System/PlanetX
The video is a direct confirmation of what is to come of this planet and I
believe we are in the process right now and its related to the Seventh mystery
and the revealing of the treasury as in the all the ancient cities.
The video posted by Speaking Rock
http://video.yahoo.com/watch/2171117/6870358
really touched my heart and brought tears of listening to our short term destiny
and in light of the conversation. It will come like a thief in the night and
cause real desolation and before that there will be a short and narrow path that
leads to evacuation. In relation to the journey in the video was the part even
the son of a thief will be your scribe, something like that! I can relate to
that. The narrow path that leads to Noah's ark in our day of safety will be laid
out by a scribe who be the son of a thief which is no different from the
father/son relationship of Siddhartha Gautama
in his relationship with his Father who was a petty chieftain who suffered the
people according to the UB. I see many parallels!
Everything in the video was true and it was good and I would take heed to it and
prepare and send out the message, one way of confirmation is going out to
Dalamatia City and verify the discovered city in the images led through all the
books of religion and namely the Urantia Book. Everything encompassed in the
video is also contained in the journey specifically on the path to the ancient
places which includes 1stEden and Dalamatia City.
We can do this while we can to confirm the Ark of the testament. Verifying
Dalamatia City would confirm everything and lead to a path of Safety in truth
before the dreaded reality of the Destroyer.
I also think the Kolbrin bible is relevant to the journey to the ancient places.
I see much truth in the scribe who wrote chapter 3.
That was very good.
The seventh Mystery is Noah's ark of the Latter day!
Another part of the video I resonated to is that in those days the great book
before them great book of wisdom, revealed. Could be all the books in oneness
but pointing to one book of truth that forms unity with all the books in
revealing and demonstration.
In those days man will have the great book before
them wisdom will be unveiled and revealed
A few would be gathered for the stand in the final
hour!
The dauntless ones survive!
God of all ages, light throughout who sets the
trail of man.
Even the Son of a thief has become your scribe.
Kolbrin Bible extracts from the video from Speaking Rock.
All reflective of the journey to the ancient places of all ages in truth in the
journey of the mystery.
Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the
things which shall be hereafter; The mystery of
the seven stars which thou sawest
in my right hand, and the seven golden
candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the
seven candlesticks which thou sawest
are the seven churches.
"The mystery of
the seven stars which thou sawest
in my right hand,"
Kind of infers a mouse in the right hand and a monitor seeing the
Seventh, mystery unveiled and revealed.
and
quote:
Manuscripts 3:9
…the hour of the DESTROYER is at hand.
Manuscripts 3:10
In those days, men will have the Great Book before them [upon its return],
wisdom will be revealed, the few will be gathered for the stand, it is
the hour of trial. The dauntless ones (the stouthearted) will survive ...
Thats
true a few will stand at the last, I know that for sure.
Many of the ancient books before Jesus all make some reference to some Hell.
Surely the ancient prophets of all the religions before the middle ages
couldn't be wrong!
There must be some truth in that some where.
Then again how can we prove that they are wrong? or in total error?
I dont think we can prove that Hell doesn't exist.
How could the people of NDE
have the same experience all saying the same things?
People say we dont need a hell but maybe we
have no choice in the matter of the existence of actual hell, no matter what
people think. Its just perhaps the way it is!
Unless someone can actually prove the non
existence of Hell I'm taking no chances.
All I'm saying, if people find themselves in a sticky situation after death
where there is a choice in the light of heavy circumstance just call out to
Jesus with sincerity. That's all I'm saying!
No way about this place what a horrible bloody crappy place, I wouldn't
entertain disbelief on this place as the costs is far to high to gamble with!
Here are some videos of Near Death Experience
surely these people cannot be wrong.
and
An Atheist Has A Near-Death Experience
posted
06-11-2008 04:40 AM
quote:
All my material including photos of
the actual locations is published on the many pages of my website. You on
the other hand only have a few blurry graphics which even then do not show the
things Plato described in the manner he described them.
How true is that, You show proper
images, Georgeous does not, all the images are just crap if there is a worthy
image but there never is, more of the same ahahahaha
I agree with you totally!
He cant even answer simple questions, that break his way off theory, there is no
proof that I can see in any blurry image he puts forward.
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 04:57 AM
True, you probably quite right but it
has to be proven. What we are saying is speculation so therefore I will take no
chances in believing there is a place of detention who dont enter the Kingdom of
Heaven.
The Bible talks about Hell, Judaism and Zoroastrians speak about it including
the Hindu scripts.
Yes, probably a man made fear manifesting but it has to be proven that a hell
does not exist.
If that could proven I would consider it but for the moment I thinking that a
place like that exist. Because where does the evil go? I know goodness is stored
for universal use, so evil being the opposite must be stored somewhere which
eventually gets wiped out by the 3 Ancients of Days when the come here for the
judgment of mankind.
Hell, bugger that for a reality! For people who think its in the mind and show
no evidence without proof, just a simple opinion could be awfully wrong and
mislead by more of the same crap! with no substance.
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 04:03 PM
No problem, Im only speculating myself
as to the existence of Hell and what might be the reality.
Although here was another fragment that caught my eye
quote:
Mortal mind subservient to matter
is destined to become increasingly material and consequently to suffer
eventual personality extinction.
and
Man's friends of the flesh cannot survive death; virtue alone walks by
man's side as he journeys ever onward toward the gladsome and sunlit fields of
Paradise."
Every reflection is a thought of
photonic energy and is recorded and stored in the process for personality
survival, Evil and good thoughts are energy that is recorded. They have
substance and evil cannot come in the Heaven so those evil actions of the record
must be recorded and stored somewhere, not to mention perhaps those who create
those evil thoughts and motivations....only to be wiped out in judgment but
before then where is the personality kept if its not in Heaven.
The Ancients Days cannot extinguish personality as all three of them have to be
together for judgment that wont happen until they arrive to this pitiful, crappy
and sinful dark planet.
So where does the crap and the crappy people go?
So if mortal mind becomes more material then he remains with the material and
never enjoys the spiritual and therefore suffers personality extinction! and
where is the location?
Where does that happen?
I wish there was few UB people to go through this to find the truth of the
matter about Hell.
just a thought. ahahahahahahah
Eh! forget the opinions, just show me some evidence of some research or some
worthy. Opinions mean absolutely nothing without reference and demonstration.
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 04:22 PM
Yes no worries but that's an opinion
but I have to see the research or some reference of research to support what you
say.
Nothing against what you say as its an open question.
You say its in the mind which is true and perhaps hell is created by man but I
have to see demonstration of that, like in research. somehow ahahaha. Also
man at death does go through a mindal/spiritual experience where he faces some
reality personal to his spirit/soul and related to direction.
Oh man I think this subject is a hard one to tell you the truth but there are a
few things I believe and that is:
Personality extinction exist
Personality Survival is based on
faith and virtue which is encompassed by truth, beauty and goodness.
Evil and other related propensities
of man does not enter the kingdom of Heaven.
Separation of man from God does
exist before and after death if man chooses.
If Evil cannot enter heaven than it
must be in storage for eventual judgment.
If the evil person is not in heaven then he must be
somewhere else, awaiting judgement.
I can show references to this not to mention all the references in all the books
of religion in all cultures.
Surely all of them cant be totally wrong...surely wireless.
Honestly, I wish this Hell business was not the case! I wish it was just a
creation of man but I have to see a demonstration of that.
Also I cant believe that an really evil man has rest of his material life. Rest
usually comes with a man who walks with truth, beauty and goodness. I cant see
how a man who rejects this has peace and rest including slumber before judgment
of the ancients of Days.
For example: What about people who are afflicted by an evil entity or
entities in a house like in a haunting. It clearly shows that these entities are
not in slumber nor at peace and are locked into some spiritual vortex maybe
because they clung on to their material possession or material world and
couldn't let go and wanted to remain behind, so being material in spirit they
remained behind in there material world locked within the confines of a room or
house.
What about some of these pissed of entities that move things around in the house
and become mischievous and frustrated because they are so restricted and
confined, they are all awaiting the judgment of the Ancients of Days and are
stuck in there own hell or restriction because they could not let go of the
material for some reason.
Come to think of it, I think Brig has one of these entities in
his own house who is entertaining him and his wife from what I can tell from his
haunting thread. Probably a guy who lived there and couldn't let go and his
world and is therefore restricted to Brigs house until judgment comes where this
planet is cleaned up from all the evil crap and people who just crap on all day
long for there lust of BS.
Angels dont operate in the way of moving things and stupid
antics they only perform the duties and work where the action is and are of a
high standard representing and perpetuating the ultimate truth.
Oh wireless when I mentioned demonstration essentially Im
saying prove it. That's all!
Its a wide subject and I am deducing quite a bit myself with speculation!
Oh well ahahahahah Im just trying to find the actual truth of the matter! That's
all mate!
No worries mate! In the meanwhile we'll just kick some more goals!!!!
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 05:19 PM
I dont think this planet is a living Hell because
we have freewill and we can do much to make our lives good.
But its the controllers that make this life a living Hell like the Banks and
there monetary monopoly including life time debt, its there world we live in,
its not your world, they own this world given to them by ex rebel prince. They
dont give a shit for no one except for themselves and bottom line.
Thank God for Jesus and his escape plan, that's all I can say
and judgement will be exactly like the Jesus' anger in the temple when he kicked
out the The Temple Central Bank controlling the Shekel
Truly a cruel and callous world who reduced a whole nation into spiritual
slavery and bondage!
Exactly what we have today in this manufactured full of lies and deceit living
hell.
Truly a cruel and callous world.
They own everything and control everything, essentially we are nothings led day
by day by purpose built distraction that lead us from the truth of the matter!
Honestly, no one owns a thing on this planet and if they do it ends up in
rubbish tip eventually or somebody gets a temporal ownership and you cant take
nothing with you except your virtue and truth.
We are only custodians of temporal things and its how we use these temporal
things and for what purpose is looked upon and recorded and the attitude of
custodianship will be judged!
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 05:31 PM
quote:
Have you ever wondered why Brig just
doesn't hire an exorcist? Wouldn't that solve the problem?
ahahahah what a laugh! maybe he is
having too much fun.
At the end of the day you just gotta have a laugh! that was a good one.
I told him to call the Ghostbusters
(555) 666 7777
ahahaha
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 05:46 PM
This whole Spain/Atlantis theory just
runs on thin ice with no actual evidence and is definitely breakable!!
Pure speculation based on what? Very limited research which is not even
representative of the Atlantis Gods in truth and with many unanswered normal
questions.
Breakable!
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 06:35 PM
Oh just prove your theory through some research
or data. but I know that is a hard call as no one has really looked into this.
Mind you Im using many references out of books and trying to find the
connections throughout books verses to find out what the Hell is Hell.
Yes I believe this world is a definite reality, no doubt but I think we all move
into a another reality on a another dimension of existence and yet that reality
is linked to our witness in spirit of our lives we live in this reality and
marks our direction for the future.
I just want to say that people say many things without the evidence just mere
opinions that defines nothing in the proof. Just if there are all wring because
of there bias and lack of research going into anything and everything with an
open mind. It just becomes BLAH BLAH BLAH without any foundation at all and
nothing that can be proven in any manner. Just crap at the end of the day!
Also why should I believe anyone who
cant show me the research nor any evidence, it got to be more than mere opinions
of no basis.
Like I dont expect people to believe my research but I go to great lengths to
bring forth evidence from any place to support the argument, like links,
references and opinions in bring the evidence together. That's what I mean!
Essentially, all Ive seen on this thread by others is just opinions with nothing
of links or references, nothing that any one can show me to support their
thoughts or even to convince me otherwise.
Man might be an expert at his crap but he knows very little about religion and
its construct in these times, actually man knows bugger all when it comes to
these subjects why I see it everyday with you being the exception because you
look into things and willing to share and you think, the rest forget they dont
know to much, let alone of the Atlantis Gods and their intentions for our times.
The Atlantis Gods are alive today and
they are going kick everyone's ass into activation through truth unto judgment
and yet man is fast asleep in his mire of crap, fear and BS! Man has heaps and
heaps of BS within himself, the expert of B.S. in your face everyday. The B.S.
maker.
Man, the King of BS that is his true level in truth on this planet! The planet
of Crap. Here comes King Crap!
Hail King Crap ahahahahahahahaha
having a laugh, Man is such a Bullshit artist so he can become King Crap of all!
Man the great Liar, King Crap.
King of the crap heap! Man, his great
estate that he strives for Crap and lies.
ahahahahah
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 07:15 PM
Yes and personal reality of the soul
and spirit is definitely a reality which is connected to Universal reality of
eternal truth in the eternal reality far removed from this reality that man
seems to venture upon in his untruth.
Look at the witness and the results of our planet.
Its appalling! Our reality of what we created on this planet is crap, its all
Bullshit, its not even truthful.
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 07:58 PM
quote:
BTW, it is also much, much EASIER to
talk about "survival" from a digital point of view, since it becomes pretty
much an issue of saving data (code)...
Yes I can see what you mean and
understand where your coming from now. I suppose that a way to explain it.
All the same characteristics of good code as opposed to junk code which is
eventually modified or just simply deleted like crappy people.
Not a problem
quote:
I think that you mean COMMON REALITY
but the fact is that not all of us exist under that "reality" (best example is
that untouched tribe in the Amazon). I, for example, disconnected from it a
few years ago...
I agree and understand. Hey what about
that tribe in the Amazon, incredible that these people had no contact with man
the exploiter. so I wonder without all the Western man crap what they believe, I
wonder of they have an idea of Heaven and Hell or even what there views are.
They had the right idea shooting arrows at western thinking man, who wants
western man around to destroy their culture as he has with every culture on the
planet that was indigenous, filling indigenous people with his crap and his
crappy money hungry culture.
There better off on there own with no contact with man the
destroyer, where man suffers these people with his wonders and culture
destroying attitude, in the hope of the exploitation of there lands and other
rubbish motives not to mention all that Nodite emperor styled worshipping crap
we see in every society.
In days of old a leader of a tribe would of been invited to
the Dalamatia City to learn some things and the leader or teacher of the tribe
would go back to his people to teach. The difference with things today we go
there and destroy the people and obliterate everything and religion is most
responsible for that in there quest for world religious domination.
We certainly know a few examples of that from our destruction past which still
continues today.
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 08:26 PM
quote:
Its appalling!
You know the state of the planet
peoples desperate attitude because of enticement of long term debt through
materialism, ego, power and lust knowing its entrapment set by the banks and the
controllers. Playing on the weakness of man.
You know all the crap. Its just doesn't seem to end. At the end of the day its
all last rebel crap and his manifesto which man gets suck into, in the most
subtle ways filled with sophistries and deception where at the end of the day
man strives for unreality in relation to the greater universe and is completely
inconsistent to the the truth.
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 08:58 PM
quote:
But "common reality" does indeed end
since ALL PRIOR CIVILIZATIONS FAILED (and there is plenty of evidence of that
fact, so it is not an opinion either!), THEREFORE, SO WILL THIS PRESENT
CIVILIZATION...ALSO FAIL...
That's true but then civilisation when
overpowered by the stronger actually only transmuted society where even the
stronger was influenced by the weaker in culture and in religion.
There is many cases of that.
Anyway it good to speak with you wireless and reading your
views, even if we have different ideas least we can speak and analyze with the
view of finding the truth of the matter.
You got alot more going than all the others around here who can only produce the
one liners and nothing else and who put nothing on the table that provokes
thought.
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 09:07 PM
quote:
So, of course, new societies then
re-emerge as these small groups that survived grow in numbers and as the
natural reality conditions become more "normal"...like after the periodic
age/era catastrophes...
That makes sense to me.
But I feel there is a greater reality in the spiritual of the individual and
which can involve a society to in real truth.
Every culture has been affected by another all throughout history.
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 09:12 PM
quote:
Well that's simply because I am like
a guide or a pilot in stormy weather, during significant time/space
transitions...
No worries about that, I agree.
I think we are doing the same thing but from different prospectives.
Which I am learning to and open to good knowledge and connections with
parallels.
Simply bringing out the truth of the matter, that's all! and to see if we can
demonstrate it in our reality following our personal truth.
All very honest and sincere.
all the best
Sevens
posted
06-11-2008 09:21 PM
Hey wireless
Cool man
I just praise the great code maker of all binary with all its complex over
layering.
It just stupendous how the great code has brought us into being and with self
consciousness including free will of choice.
Unbelievable the great code of the great Writer and developer.
Glory to the Code maker of the universe! I think it just beautiful!
Code is just like art and truth within in itself!
I wish I could write code a bit better though.
ahahahahaha
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 10:58 PM
Here is some realistic normal
information about Gades from the Wikipedia.
quote:
Cádiz is a city and port in
southwestern Spain. It is the capital of the province of the same name, a
province which is one of eight comprising the autonomous community of
Andalusia.
Cádiz, the oldest continuously-inhabited city in western Europe, has been a
principal home port of the Spanish Navy since the accession of the Spanish
Bourbons in the 18th century. It is also the site of the University of Cádiz.
Its peculiar location at the end of a narrow isthmus protruding into the Bay
of Cádiz lends added charm to this ancient city. In actuality, Cádiz is on an
island which is separated from the mainland by a larger island, the Isla de
Léon; thus, to reach the mainland from Cádiz, it is necessary to cross a
narrow channel to the low-lying Isla de Léon, before crossing another narrow
channel to the mainland. This geographical circumstance has played, time and
again, a significant part in the city's history, commerce, and culture.
Isolated behind its high thick medieval walls on its improbable site in the
middle of the bay, Cádiz, on approach from the sea, presents a dramatic and
aesthetically appealing view.
Native name Cádiz (Spanish)
Spanish name Cádiz
Nickname Tacita de Plata Founded 1104 BCE
(Far to early for Atlantis)
and here is a little history of Gades
quote:
The city was originally founded as
Gadir (Phoenician גדר "walled city") by the Phoenicians, who used it in their
trade with Tartessos, a city-state believed by archæologists to be
somewhere near the mouth of the Guadalquivir River, about thirty kilometres
northwest of Cádiz. (Its exact location has never been firmly established.)
Phoenician sarcophagus found in Cadiz, now in the Archaeological Museum of
Cádiz. The sarcophagus is thought to have been designed and paid for by a
Phoenician merchant and made in GreeceCádiz is the most ancient city still
standing in western Europe[1]. Traditionally, its founding is dated to 1104
BCE[2] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier
than the ninth century. One resolution for this discrepancy has been to
assume that Gadir was merely a small seasonal trading post in its earliest
days.
And to even think that Tartessos, is
Atlantis is just another bunch of garbage to.
the whole thing of Gades and Tartessos, is just another bunch baloney where
these city are relatively young. and have nothing to do wit Atlantis Nothing to
do with the lands of the Gods.
Nothing in the legend or in history that points to Atlantis being the first
place of the Gods and of man according the myth.
Its just a theory that makes no sense at all
and
although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated earlier than the
ninth century.
How can anyone say this is Atlantis, people must be stupid and brainless to
believe this when considering the above.
So I suppose Wikipedia is wrong to EH!
I mean you have cities like Jiroft near the heads of the Persian Gulf that go
back 11,000 years with writing script and beautifully designed cups and next to
Jiroft you have another city that was destroyed 150,000 years ago and you can
see the remnants already with NASA worldwind which fit the description
perfectly.
You read, you see. The simple presentation of the Universal Government for the
simple normal man on the street!.
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 11:10 PM
Honestly the evidence is before you
and because of your pride or bias you are completely in a world of your own
without any relation to reality with nothing that is convincing.
The blind lead the blind to a completely breakable theory! or dream
dream on!
See what show me! What more Crap
mankind has to digest! Dont you think mankind has enough of the Bullshit! Like
we see with all inconclusive documentaries of TV, just filling in more
broadcasting space with repetitive Garbage not to mention all the self vain
glorious music in the background and the constant repeating with little
substance that would learn at school.
Cadiz and Tartessos are just another Phoenician outpost of
trade and commerce. You know exploit and get rich quick.
Just another man made business
operation and who associated themselves with the Gods as most civilizations did
in those days, myth transference in that my God is better than your God business
like we see today.
That's all it is! just a business outpost.
Even this image is more ridiculous, the more I look at it,
like trying to fit a circle in a square and it could be anything.
sevens
posted
06-11-2008 11:48 PM
quote:
the important thing is that the
place was already inhabited for thousands of years before the Phoenicians, and
they in reality established a colony in the same place where indigenous
peoples, from Tartessian origin, lived.
Yes but where is the evidence of man
before any archaeological evidence can be found. Where is it?
Like ditches, manmade remnants displaying an advanced city, Cadiz only goes back
to 9OOBC according to hard evidence unless they where walking around like a
caveman in underpants but even then you would find evidence of prehistoric
underpants going back further. Like in Jiroft as an example 11,000 years.
quote:
Traditionally, its founding is dated
to 1104 BCE[2] although no archaeological strata on the site can be dated
earlier than the ninth century.
Georgeous would have to have confirmed
evidence by scientist to demonstrate that Gades go back further than 900BC
I dont believe he can demonstrate that, in the hard evidence.
Antiquity! what going back 900BC or around that time. Bit
early! for the first place of civilisation where the Gods lived.
That time is not even ancient.
Sevens
posted
06-12-2008 12:02 AM
Dream on, its all flawed and breakable based on a
traveling Myth and culture, there is no evidence that points to the first place
of the Gods in Gades.
You cant even answer simple questions based on scientific research already
established. The more you ignore and run from answering simple questions the
worst it gets because you have no answer and therefore your theory is becoming
chaff to the wind and everything has to be tested if its the truth. That's what
its all about isn't it??? The truth and no Bull.
That's what Atlantis is about, the truth! The truth of the
Gods and there truth.
sevens
posted
06-12-2008 12:36 AM
That's a spin out
Maybe the entrapped soul needs attention maybe you should talk to it in a normal
way and help it with words of comfort.
It could be frustrated and quite lonely.
Might need some tender loving care for being entrapped in the spiritual
dimension maybe you should show it the way to Jesus maybe! to follow the light
if possible. But it may remain there until the Ancient of Days come for judgment
which maybe soon.
Otherwise the entity is not getting enough of these posts and is trying to tell
you something.
Just a guess ahahahah
Anyway, it sounds wild what's happening in your place and tends toward a
poltergeist experience. Its seems that all these things happen in an innocent
way but as time progresses it gets worse. Like with the Ouija boards experiences
people have.
Maybe Tom is right that you should have entity exercised from your house and
told to move on.
I dont know, it seems to be getting a little serious in that home sweet home of
yours. Maybe the entity could not let go of things material and that's why its
hanging around bothering you.
Tell it leave the house and go to Jesus the light for rest.
Maybe, it was offensive to place that pitcher there? for some reason.
Sevens
posted
06-12-2008 12:47 AM
Maybe you should consider getting some so called
expert on that level in to determine what it is and how it can be helped to move
on and to let go of the material things it once had and still cherishes.
Failing that, go to an experienced pastor with depth of truth and knowledge
leaving all the rhetoric behind and see if he can help.
If it continues it may get worse. I think smashing things is quite unacceptable
and maybe you should ask for the help of an arch angel in prayer to help find a
solution to this mischievous entity.
Is it trying to tell you something brother.
You know maybe it needs a little compassion and understanding and maybe you
should find out more of the history of the house and find out who died there in
the past that might determine the entity and try and find out the personality of
the person if possible from the entities family that might be still alive.
Finding out all the background information of the entity might give you a good
base to help the entity move on in the spiritual world.
The entity sounds like its trapped
in attitude and cant move from his former house. Entrapped for his love of the
material such like his former house he loves and couldn't let go.
Perhaps through the action and leading of the Holy Spirit with
a number of angels maybe you may be able to counsel the entity and set if free
by moving to the light of Jesus which in truth would set the entity free on his
universal adventure.
Maybe the entity needs to build faith and courage to move on into the great
unknown of the spiritual universe.
Anyway, go by your gut feelings that is the truth.
One thing for sure, the entity is not in restful slumber and
is probably not at peace because of his current circumstance. The personality
just died there and never moved on but is conscious of his circumstance and is
wanting to find the way out to the light and just gets pissed off sometimes, he
probably needs positive help.
Its a real in between worlds kind of thing and the entity
needs guidance.
Sevens
posted
06-12-2008 01:26 AM
It is isn't it, where the Gods lost
there first estate and degraded man along the way and where the Gods after which
ruled like a pack of arseholes and ruined the planet which still perpetuates
today, that's what essentially Plato referees to. Has all the hallmark of the
fall of the Sons of God in the first planetary default in the first city which
was built by the Gods. Even though the story is representative of the fall of
Dalamatia City which by proxy was represented in Dilmun where the first
Egyptians came from 12,000 years ago
Dilmun submerged of the North Eastern Persian Gulf.
By the way the very early Greeks where the Javan who migrated to Crete 12,000
years ago and who originally came North Eastern Iran and who are the Sons of the
eldest son son of Adam.
The Greeks are the Sons of the Gods and there association with the Gods in
metaphor and refection is all there in the mythology.
Also Dilmun submerged of the coast of Iran as you can see, fits all the physical
descriptions of Atlantis and you can see it NOW!
right!! Mr Georgeos ahahahaha
The GF gene came from Atlantis! Dilmun/Babel that's where the 1st and 2nd Babel
was built. The early Egyptians called Dilmun, Dilmat, which is where the word
Maat came from. Dilmun! the legends of Dilmun seen in Sumerian text was taken
from Dalamatia City originally but perpetuated through Dilmun and then
transferred to the Egyptians.
That's
the story and I can demonstrate that now using all the books and I can
demonstrate that in the images and by going out there to verify.
And I know its unbreakable! already in this early time. and I know the Nodite
system of today fears this as this to close to the truth but I dont give a damn
because truth is truth! and we are answerable to truth and man hates BS unless
there is something in it for him. Eh! that's the story isn't it.
We live today in the tower of Babel BS rubbish where man is totally led astray
from the truth of everything!
Like in the days of Atlantis! The truth of
everything is already in peoples face and they run to the hills like the
spiritual cowards they are. The Atlantis propensity running away from the truth,
the Nodite propensity that rules this planet today! thanks to fallen estate of
the Gods and their sinful attitude. Like Atlantis in the past, this Atlantis
today is in for a great reckoning!
There is much more to Atlantis than you could
possibly imagine and the Father of all things will demonstrate what Atlantis
truly was in the past and what it is today and what will happen to the Atlantis
off today!
The Atlantis of the past and its story is exactly what will
happen to the Atlantis of today. So for those who are blood thirsty for money
and power and who exploit over the demise of man for financial gain.
Just forget it for the times of reckoning are virtually upon us and you will
miss the ark completely and utterly and that is the prophecy of Atlantis of
today and seen in the demonstration of the past and this forecast will be upheld
by the Father of all things and of all truth!
Reckoning! until its dust and chaff in the
wind.
This is how the reckoning of Atlantis will take place, it will just pop up out
of nowhere when man feels confident and full of the crap in how he devastated
his brother for financial gain by proxy of the money/power mechanism we have
today and being haughty and bloodthirsty in his so called unspiritual victory
over his fellow man. What hypocrisy! what untruth is that!
Like a coward eh! hiding behind a mechanism that robs and destroys his brother.
The great mankind eh! What an arsehole he is today! The sub prime debacle is the
perfect example and those who exploit the circumstance for pure gain with
nothing survivable in there heart.
The Destroyer – Revelation 9:11 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from
the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the Abyss.
When he opened the Abyss, smoke rose from it like the smoke from a gigantic
furnace. The sun and sky were darkened by the smoke from the Abyss. And
out of the smoke locusts came down upon the earth and were given power like
that of scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the
earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal
of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but
only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like
that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man. During those days
men will seek death, but will not find it; they will long to die, but death
will elude them . The locusts looked like horses prepared for battle. On
their heads they wore something like crowns of gold, and their faces resembled
human faces. Their hair was like women's hair, and their teeth were like
lions' teeth. They had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound
of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing
into battle. They had tails and stings like scorpions, and in their tails
they had power to torment people for five months. They had as king over them
the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon [destroyer], and
in Greek, Apollyon [destroyer] (Revelation 9:1-11).
The abyss or is this Hell coming from
the abyss or from the earth opened in the end times? Like nut on the fire.
and this
quote:
Since you trust in your deeds and
riches, you too will be taken captive, and Chemosh will go into exile,
together with his priests and officials. The destroyer will come against
every town, and not a town will escape. The valley will be ruined and the
plateau destroyed, because the LORD has spoken. Put salt on Moab, for she will
be laid waste; her towns will become desolate, with no one to live in them.
"A curse on him who is lax in doing the Lord's work! A curse on him who keeps
his sword from bloodshed! (Jeremiah 48:7-10)
All of the above applies for these
times in this day.
and this which I believe relates to the safe passage through the abyss and
completely related to Jesus
quote:
Let the Moabite fugitives stay with
you; be their shelter from the destroyer." The oppressor will come to an
end, and destruction will cease; the aggressor will vanish from the land.
In love a throne will be established; in faithfulness a man will sit on
it-- one from the house of David-- one who in judging seeks justice and speeds
the cause of righteousness(Isaiah 16:4-5).
I above paragraph relates to the last
messenger of whom brings the great message of safety through his Targum and
related to Jesus.
There is more at this link just remember that Babylon is the current planetary
money monopoly system and other related systems and mechanisms of control and
power.
"The sound of a cry comes from
Babylon, the sound of great destruction from the land of the Babylonians.
The LORD will destroy Babylon; he will silence her noisy din. Waves of enemies
will rage like great waters; the roar of their voices will resound. A
destroyer will come against Babylon; her warriors will be captured, and their
bows will be broken.
For the LORD is a God of retribution; he will repay in full. I will make
her officials and wise men drunk, her governors, officers and warriors as
well; they will sleep forever and not awake," declares the King, whose name is
the LORD Almighty. This is what the LORD Almighty says: "Babylon's
thick wall will be leveled and her high gates set on fire; the peoples exhaust
themselves for nothing, the nations' labor is only fuel for the flames"
(Jeremiah 51:54-58).
Babylon is the system due for a great
reckoning because the Father is just not happy with anything on this planet
except for the work of the elect and Jesus including related personalities of
the Universal Government of Paradise.
But as far as mankind is concerned forget it, he is to far gone to recognize any
truth and spurns it.
sevens
Re:
The destruction still to come Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:28 am
I was interested in
Chittim and it seems to relate to
Chittim
Chittim—Cyprus,
of which the cities, including Citium
in the south (whence came "Chittim"),
were mostly Phœnician (Eze
27:6). The ships from Tarshish on their way to Tyre
learn the tidings ("it is revealed to them") of the downfall of
Tyre. At a later period
Chittim denoted the islands and
coasts of the Mediterranean (Da 11:30).
Zidon—of
which Tyre was a
colony, planted when Zidon
was conquered by the Philistines of Ascalon.
Zidon means a "fishing
station"; this was its beginning.
sevens
posted
06-12-2008 06:06 AM
I noticed this
quote:
daughter of Tarshish—Tyre and its
inhabitants (Isa 1:8), about henceforth, owing to the ruin of Tyre, to become
inhabitants of its colony, Tartessus: they would pour forth from Tyre,
as waters flow on when the barriers are removed [Lowth]. Rather, Tarshish, or
Tartessus and its inhabitants, as the phrase usually means: they had
been kept in hard bondage, working in silver and lead mines near Tarshish, by
the parent city (Eze 26:17): but now "the bond of restraint" (for so
"strength," Margin, "girdle," that is, bond, Ps 2:3, ought to be translated)
is removed, since Tyre is no more.
Is this the same Tartessos that
Docybut is all excited about, even the bible proves that its not Atlantis and
nothing to do with the Atlantis gods just another mining/trading city of
Phoenicia.
What so Atlantis about that, there is no mystery there.
Here is a word search on Tarshish or Tartessus or Tartessos no Atlantis there
and is associated with the Javan (Greece) and Chittim (Cyprus) all trading
cities of the Med.
What are you on about Docybut considering all the worthless argument when its
clearly in the bible as a normal trading city that had a heap of prophecy
against it.
A worthless Atlantis argument wasting
everyone's time. What a crappy book that will be, not one ounce of truth that
relates to Atlantis.
Sevens
Re:
The Two Witnesses Thu Jun 12, 2008 11:58 am
I was interested in
Chittim and it seems to relate to
Chittim
Quote:
Chittim—Cyprus,
of which the cities, including Citium
in the south (whence came "Chittim"),
were mostly Phœnician
(Eze 27:6). The
ships from Tarshish on their way to Tyre
learn the tidings ("it is revealed to them") of the downfall of
Tyre. At a later period
Chittim denoted the
islands and coasts of the Mediterranean (Da 11:30).
Zidon—of
which Tyre
was a colony, planted when Zidon
was conquered by the Philistines of Ascalon.
Zidon means a
"fishing station"; this was its beginning.
Since 1stEden is directly related to the island of Cyprus where the tree of
life was kept being the home of Adam and Eve before the default. I wonder if
there are any clues that is related to Chittim or Cyprus in this time and that
reflects in the current journey?
Here are links to Chittim/Cyprus
in the Bible that may contain some clues indirectly related to 1stEden in
prophecy and may give us consistency
to the end times and what to expect and compared to the journey to the ancient
places to see if there is commonality.
I thought this was a strong clue. What is the thing in
Chittim or of the coast of
Chittim/Cyprus/1stEden.
Quote:
9 Wherefore I will yet plead with you,
saith the Lord, and
with your
children's children will I plead.
10 For pass
over the isles of Chittim,
and see; and send unto Kedar,
and consider
diligently, and see if there be such a
thing.
11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my
people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit.
12 Be astonished, O
ye heavens, at this, and be horribly afraid, be ye very desolate,
saith the Lord.
13 For my people have committed two evils;
they
have forsaken me
the fountain of living waters, and
hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns,
that can hold
no water.
Read the rest its a real warning to us all for this day!
1stEden is the Living waters in the truth of the past and in today climate all
religion has rejected the location of 1st Eden and the truth brought about by
the Urantia Book written by Paradise. In other words all mankind more or less
rejected the work of the Father through his Universal Paradise Government.
That's the result of over religion and being stiffnecked in the bias and
prejudice.
Of the oaks of Bashan have they made thine
oars; the company of the Ashurites
have made thy benches of ivory,
brought out of the isles of
Chittim.
It has been proven that Cyprus did have elephants that past over the
land bridge that connected the
peninsula of 1stEden to the mainland connected by a 28 mile
land bridge and which has been
proven from information brought about by the new book of revealment.
I thought this part was interesting and has all the
hallmarks of the end times
Quote:
26
Thy rowers have
brought thee into great waters: the east wind hath broken thee in the
midst [11] of the seas. 27 Thy riches,
and thy fairs, thy merchandise, thy mariners, and thy pilots, thy
calkers, and the occupiers
of thy merchandise, and all thy men of war, that are in thee, and in all
thy company which is in the midst of thee,
shall fall into the
midst of the seas in the day of thy ruin.
28 The suburbs [12] shall shake at the sound of the cry of thy pilots.
29 And all that handle the oar, the mariners, and all the pilots of the
sea, shall come down from their ships, they shall stand upon the land;
30 And shall cause their voice to be heard against thee, and shall cry
bitterly, and
shall cast up dust upon their heads, they shall wallow themselves in the
ashes: 31 And they shall make
themselves utterly bald for thee, and gird them with sackcloth, and they
shall weep for thee with bitterness of heart and bitter wailing.
32 And in their
wailing they shall take up a lamentation for thee, and lament over thee,
saying, What city is like Tyrus,
like the destroyed
in the midst of the sea?
33 When thy wares went forth out of the seas, thou
filledst many people; thou
didst enrich
the kings of the earth with the
multitude of thy riches and of thy merchandise.
34 In the time when thou shalt
be broken by
the seas in the depths of the waters
thy merchandise and all thy company
in the midst of thee
shall fall. 35 All the inhabitants of the isles shall be astonished at
thee, and their
kings shall be sore afraid , they shall
be troubled in their countenance. 36
The merchants among the people shall hiss at thee;
thou
shalt be a terror,
[13] and never
shalt be any more.
What comes from the Midst of the sea that causes much destruction.
Anyway that was interesting search.
I know the below is interpreted in what will happen in
Jerusalem but this description is also consistent with 1stEden of Cyprus and
the great river that ran out of the peninsula of 1stEden which the great river
from 1stEden ran into the Euphrates river and then into the Persian Gulf and
may connect to the submerged city of the first place of the Sons of God. The
waters of the Acropolis Hill of 1stEden also ran into the great River and is
also a sanctuary of the Father in those ancient times.
Quote:
Eneglaim (King James Version)
Ezekiel 47:10 (Read all of Ezekiel 47)
9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth,
whithersoever the rivers [3] shall come, shall live: and there shall be
a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither:
for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river
cometh. 10 And
it shall come to pass, that the fishers
shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a
place to spread forth nets; their fish
shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea,
exceeding many. 11 But the miry places thereof and the
marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
12 And by the
river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow
[4] all trees for
meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be
consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit
according to his months,
because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for
meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Interesting!
sevens
posted
06-12-2008 05:05 PM
I know bro, tell me about it, its
pretty full on and is very consistent with the Kolbrin bible regarding the
destroyer.
Im not sure if you saw this video but I think its totally relevant to the
destroyer and the time that we are in.
Every time I see this video I well up man, very full on and such a terrible to
happen to mankind but unfortunately no one is listening and spurns this.
The Rev 9:11 is just full on and is speaking of the same thing.
No worries but if we see this we will be OK because there is evac plan for the
faith sons.
Mind you the system have their plan but that is completely exclusive and doesn't
include the majority, The majority will be on their own.
The only chance I have is through my faith, Im to poor (spiritually rich but
bloody poor) to prepare for the Destroyer so my faith is completely in the Jesus
evac plan.
That's the only plan that I can have faith in. That's the only plan that I
can have faith in. The Government? forget it they will only look after
themselves. I would put no faith in the government upon the realisation of the
Destroyer.
Im doing the work that the Christian
body should be doing but their slack and unbelieving, believe it or not, I even
wrote to the head of the Catholic church in Sinim even though they responded,
they have not quickened yet and it will be to late when they realize that this
research is true. I believe they have over sighted this and have underestimated
this. The rest of the body forget, I wrote to them to and never received a
response.
Mind you when the destroyer is realized there will be so much regret from those
who spurned and ignored in the first instance, in the beforehand!
The only thing I can do is post up my thoughts and findings,
the rest is up to each individual in their hearts of hearts.
It just a hopeless situation where I am totally reliant on
Paradise for support! as I get no support from mankind. So all I can do is
post the truth as I find and that's all I can do. Each day is 12 -18 hrs a
day working this construct as I come across truth. It valiant attempt
against all odds to get the truth out there and that's where I rely on the
angels, my Father fragment from within and through the action of the Holy spirit
and I know Jesus and the Father of all things (The Code Maker) is involved
personally.
I believe the Father has written a new
code and construct and is getting rid of the virus infest code we currently
have. The existing code is due for deletion he is not going to fix this code for
he has a new code that he is going to upload to this Urantia planetary server
and from this server will go out a new code that will affect all the other junk
code affecting other planets who had the same demise as us with this junk code
that was embedded into our Genes through the fallen Sons of God after the
destruction of Dalamatia City.
It is true that there will be a few in the last stand, the
undaunted and stouthearted will NOT go down to destruction and that's we are at
this time in the Last and Final stand of mankind of the faith sons and the path
is narrow and only a few will find the path of safety in the final and last
stand.
This is truly the battle of the Faith Sons against all odds. The battle of faith
sons through the tribulation.
And where is mankind? in this last stand, no where to be seen all run to the
hills, only the few will be successful in the last stand of the faith Sons. We
are the faith sons and who will come back with the new code for the regeneration
of the Planet with the Paradise Universal Government as the head of this planet.
Like in the movies brother Wireless but this is real and virtual and we are in
the Last stand in front of the great battle of mankind.
It is truly the Battles of all Battles, the great Mother of
all Battles where the faith Sons will be successful in the last stand! We
will be utterly successful!
Yes I found it interesting that many of the individuals in the video have much
commonalities in the experience.
To me its seems like a mystery within itself but many people from diverse
backgrounds seem to have much things in common in the NDE but is varied dependent on
the individual. Mind you some people never had any belief in the beforehand
and yet in the NDE where
faced with a common theme in direction dependent on a decision, in some cases.
Its all very interesting and Im still looking into it, Im not sure whether a
place like that exist but many books from diverse cultures speak about a place
like this and there is some prophecy that seem consistent with the first post
relating to the video.
The Urantia doesn't confirm nor deny such a place.
Later on III post up some things I found regarding the abyss which appears to
have resemblance. Im still looking into it.
Veronica and thanks for the reply. I think this is worthy enquiry.
All the best in truth, beauty and goodness and off course peace and love
Sevens
posted
06-13-2008 07:37 AM
I dont know Im
still looking into it.
This might seems strange that nothing is ever lost. All thoughts must have
physical energy perhaps called photons, or thought photons perhaps like light
photons in a frequency that you cant see.
Since energy transmutes from on state to another and is never really lost in
truth perhaps the bad thought photons are keep somewhere until dissolution of
the energy at judgment of the Ancient Days.
Its just a thought amongst many on this subject.
However, all the books speak of it quite clearly at differing times, maybe it
was just a perception that evolved in our evolution of religion?
Quite possible but then I would underestimate either. Maybe those audio was a
fake. I just dont know.
Its really hard to say. Well I know is that Jesus is the way in my view, going
by the NDE people and
consider some of them did have a negative experiences where a decision was to be
made and in some cases the person felt separated and was still conscious.
Mind or another dimension which is more real than this, like an eternal
dimension for a short period of time. Maybe in the 4 minute period when the
brain is still active in some parts.
Where man is faced with his real truth of himself!
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 13, 2008 2:25 pm
I just saw this parallel verse and I believe its a
huge signal to this research and journey to the ancient places, the Rock being
the ancient cities where I propose an expedition. An expedition to Dalamatia
City to verify the city and lift up a stone slab of the Seven commands.
Isaiah 42:3 (Read all of Isaiah 42)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench:
he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
saiah 42:3
(Read all of Isaiah 42)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench:
he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Quote:
The LORD's
Servant
42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul
delighteth; I have put my
spirit upon him:
he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the
street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall
he not quench:
he shall bring forth
judgment unto truth. 4 He shall not fail nor be
discouraged,
till he have set judgment in the earth:
and the isles shall wait for his law.
5 Thus saith God the
Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that
spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that
giveth breath unto the
people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: 6 I the Lord have
called thee in righteousness, and will hold
thine hand, and will keep thee, and
give thee for a
covenant of the people, for a light of
the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from
the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. 8 I
am the Lord: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another,
neither my praise to graven images.
9 Behold,
the former things are
come to pass, and
new things do I declare:before they
spring forth I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of the
earth,
ye that go down to the sea,
and
all that is therein;
the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and the
cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that
Kedar doth inhabit:
let the inhabitants ofthe rock sing,
let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12
Let them give glory
unto the Lord, and
declare his praise in
the islands.
Look what Kedar
means and consider the location of Dalamatia City, in the Persian Gulf
Quote:
Kedar
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Kedar is a name
that appears in both Judaism and Hinduism.
[edit] In Judaism Kedar,
the second son of Ishmael Kedar
was also an Arabian tribe of nomadic herdsman that traded with
Israel in the time of the Monarchy (e.g. David, Solomon etc.).[1]
Kedar (town) -
settlement east of Jerusalem near Maale
Adumim
[edit] In Hinduism
Kedar means
invincible or powerful.
Kedar can also
be an entity that has such a powerful presence that it brings about
calm and peacefulness.
Shiva, (a Hindu God) is also known as
Kedarnath meaning (Powerful Lord -
Nath meaning Lord and
Kedar
meaning Powerful) god who is
worshipped at the Kedarnath
Temple in the north of India. Kedar
nath temple is
located in the foot of Himalayas. One can go to
Rishikesh (a holy city)
to reach Kedarnath
temple from there.
I find that fascinating and a major confirmation to the location to
points to Dalamatia City.
13 The Lord shall go forth
as a mighty man,
he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war:
he shall cry, yea,
roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden
my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry like a
travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15 I will make
waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs; and I will make
the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools. 16 And I will bring the
blind by a way that they knew not;
I will lead them in
paths that they have not known : I will make darkness light before them,
and crooked things straight.[5] These things will
I do unto them, and
not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that trust
in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our gods.
and then you have continuation of the same chapter
ans sums up this
joutnry to the ancient
places in paths not known and setting the crooked path straight. Just
perfect
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is blind,
but my servant? or deaf, as
my messenger that I sent?
who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20
Seeing many
things, but thou observest
not; opening the ears, but he heareth
not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will
magnify the law, and make it honourable.
22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them snared
in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a prey, and
none delivereth; for
a spoil, and
none saith, Restore.
23 Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for
the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob for
a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he against whom we
have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways, neither were they
obedient unto his law. 25
Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of his
anger, and the strength of battle: and
it hath set him on fire
round about , yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to
heart.
Is this above reference to Wormwood or the The destroyer out of the
Kolbrin Bible and its arrival??
and this parallel verse.
Matthew 12:20 (Read all of Matthew 12)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till
he send forth judgment unto victory.
Mentioned twice in the bible, must be significant.
an interesting fragment
Quote:
An Evil
Generation Seeks a Sign
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying,
Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto
them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there
shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For
as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall
the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and
shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and,
behold, a greater than Jonas is here. 42
The
queen of the south shall rise up in the
judgment with this generation, and shall
condemn it: for
she came from the
uttermost parts of the earth to hear
the wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold, a
greater than Solomon is here. 43
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry
places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44 Then he saith, I will return
into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it
empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and
dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
Even so shall
it be also unto this wicked generation.
and this one
Jesus' Mother and Brethren
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his
brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one said
unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to
speak with thee. 48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who
is my mother? and
who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said,
Behold my mother and my brethren!
50
For whosoever
shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my
brother, and sister, and mother.
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:45 pm
Thanks ArchMichael.
I think its just beautiful and thanks for your post.
I think those verses you contributed where just beautiful and the chapter
compliments this reality in the journey. I really thank you for your
contribution.
The journey is all reflected in the Odes of Solomon and the Mystery of Solomon
in St Ehpriam 7 pearls is
a reflection of a very personal and significant part of this journey and key
is Sheba and the bright spark and the illumination of 1stEden and the crown.
15I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in
me that beareth not
fruit he taketh
away: and every
branch that beareth
fruit, he purgeth
it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I
am the vine, ye are the branches: He that
abideth in me, and I in him, the same
bringeth forth much fruit:
for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast
forth as a branch, and is withered; and
men gather them, and
cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye
will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified,
that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 As the
Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If
ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept
my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 These things have I
spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy
might be full. 12 This is my
commandment, That
ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for
his friends. 14
Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant
knoweth not what his lord
doeth: but I have
called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have
made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you,
and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your
fruit should remain:
that whatsoever ye shall
ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I
command you, that ye love one another.
The World's Hatred
18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye
are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore
the world hateth
you. 20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not
greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also
persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake,
because they know not him that sent me. 22 If I had not come and spoken
unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no
cloke [1] for their sin. 23
He that hateth me
hateth my Father
also. 24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man
did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me
and my Father. 25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be
fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
26 But when
the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even
the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth
from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall
bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
I think its just beautiful and reflects
this time in this day
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:04 am
Just remember this whole thing was
foreseen in Chicago itself before the advent of the The UB which came out of
Chicago itself in 1934. Its was seen by an Abbas
contained in the name and there is another Abbes underlying this journey to
the ancient places but its not my surname as that has metaphor to the holy
grail myth in the Richard 1st the Younger lineage, the lion heart whose
Father was Henri the Younger through which of that legend came through in
connection and in metaphor. If you combine all names it represents a unity
and commonality of legend and culture and has connection to the Jamshids Cup
and its relationship to the elixir of immortality which connects to the tree
of life of which was kept in North Eastern Iran Area which points to the Van
headquarters. It seem like connection that connects the cultures of many
worlds and and does have uncanny connection in royalty from the past in
connection to this mystery. Actually in one half of the connection to
lineage in this journey of origins actually comes from the area of the
Navarro, Aquitaine area where the actual Holy grail myth came from through
the Kings of those areas in/near the Pyrenees. And its all in the name,
linage, metaphor and in has multiple meanings in any combination. The
younger = The Javan = Van = Van headquarters, the
jong = the Younger, its like in Chinese Tao
culture you have the Dao de Jing and today we have the Dao de Jong Dao de
Jong (the younger) like the
Ying and the Yang, the book and the journey, all
compassed in the journey to the ancient places and what did the Father say
about I have surnamed thee!
This path is also a path of perhaps self realisation in the journey and has
connection in linage through name with great metaphor. That's how perhaps
the last messenger realizes himself through the journey that has connections
from every aspect forming a personal oneness.
Just following the threads with contemplation on the run on the fly which is
part of the Targum from the sea, from the cities.
Remember Im just going faith living it each day in the journey, I dont know
what I find or realize each day, its a journey of everyday discovery and
realisation in the path of the tree of life.
From what I see in the recent scriptures we are all mightily successfull
doing the will of the Father and we attain righteousness even in light of
our weakness. Thank the lord for that and this outpost, small out post of
truth from the heart, soul and spirit walking with the Father of the Kingdom
of Heaven. Thank the Lord! Praise the Father.
And even if the time of the destroyer comes we all will be safe from
destruction because we were undaunted and stout of heart and we never went
into destruction because the Father had his personal hand over us. Oh Praise
the Lord of his Love for his children.
One Abbas
makes a proclamation of an event in the beforehand which lead to the UB and
another Abbes makes another new proclamation in a journey in the beforehand
timeline discovery of the cities and now we see in the future relating to an
interpretation of the scriptures to the former things on the run where the
victory is made.
This also has connections into Islam to! which I have made a connection to
with this journey with an interpretation of the Ubar legend in relation of
today seen as seen in type pointing to the events of today.
See what happens eh!
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 14, 2008 1:59 am
Pistis
Spohia
Quote:
Of the twelve
saviors and their regions
in the Inheritance. at
the time of the consummation [and] of the ascension of the universe.'
The twelve saviors
of the Treasury and the twelve orders of every one of them, which are
the emanations of the seven Voices and of the five Trees, they will be
with me in the region of the inheritances of the Light; being kings with
me in my kingdom, and every one of them being king over his emanations,
and moreover every one of them being king according to his glory, the
great according to his greatness and the little according to his
littleness.
Quote:
Twelve
Saviors =
Twelve Melchizedeks
Twelve Orders = Orders of the Melchizedeks
Seven Voice = Seven Master Spirits or the Seven thundering voices
5 trees = 5 ancient and submerged cities
Emanation = emanations of truth coming from the cities in the journey.
Inheritance = The Inheritance of the Ages, Cities and the light, the
truth of everything.
Regions = locations
Kingdom = Kingdom of Heaven on earth
and this regarding the last mystery the Sevenfold mystery.
Quote:
Now, therefore, my Lord, how doth the First
Mystery possess twelve mysteries, [and] the
Ineffable possess a one and only mystery?"
Of the three mysteries and five mysteries. Jesus answered and said unto
her:
"Indeed it
possesseth a one and
only mystery, yet that mystery constituteth
three mysteries, although it is the one and only mystery; but the type
of every one of them is different. And
moreover it constituteth
five mysteries, although it is a one and only [one]; but the type
of
every one is different.
So that these
five mysteries are alike with one another in the mystery
|237. of
the kingdom in the inheritances of the Light;
but the type of
each of them is different.
And their kingdom is higher and more exalted than the whole kingdom of
the twelve mysteries together of the First Mystery; but they are not
alike in the kingdom
[with the one and only mystery] of
the First Mystery in the
Light-kingdom
.
Sevens
posted
06-13-2008 09:28 PM
Yeah I know ahahahahah oh well
that's the way it goes. But its not hopeless at all.
However, there has been great breakthroughs and interesting realizations.
I enjoyed your post
and still thinking about
it, I just read it. All I know in my investigation is that the place where
Moses went to in Northern Arabia in Al Alwaz
Abu Musa.
There appears to be a mountain of evidence their.
I will look into it but since you where looking into parallels verses I just
found a parallel verse last night.
sevens
Here is a post from this morning before I found your parallel verse.
...........................
I just saw this parallel verse and I believe its a huge signal to this
research and journey to the ancient places, the Rock being the ancient
cities where I propose an expedition. An expedition to Dalamatia City to
verify the city and lift up a stone slab of the Seven commands.
Isaiah 42:3 (Read all of Isaiah 42)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench:
he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.
Quote:
The LORD's
Servant
42Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul
delighteth; I
have put my spirit upon him: he shall
bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.
2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard
in the street. 3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the
smoking flax shall he not quench: he
shall bring forth
judgment unto truth
. 4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged,
till he have set judgment in the
earth: and the isles shall wait for
his law.
5 Thus saith
God the Lord, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out;
he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it;
he that giveth
breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk
therein: 6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will
hold thine
hand, and will keep thee, and give
thee for a covenant of the people,
for a light of the Gentiles; 7 To open the blind eyes, to bring
out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness
out of the prison house. 8 I am the Lord: that is my name: and my
glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven
images. 9 Behold,
the former things are come to
pass, and
new things do I declare:
before they spring forth
I tell you of them.
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and his praise from the end of
the earth, ye that go
down to the sea, and
all that is therein;
the isles, and the inhabitants thereof. 11 Let the wilderness and
the cities thereof lift up their voice, the villages that
Kedar doth inhabit:
let the inhabitants
of
the rock sing,
let them shout from the top of the mountains. 12
Let them give glory unto the Lord,
and declare his praise in the
islands.
Look what Kedar
means and consider the location of Dalamatia City, in the Persian
Gulf
Kedar
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Kedar is a
name that appears in both Judaism and Hinduism.
[edit] In Judaism Kedar, the
second son of Ishmael Kedar was
also an Arabian tribe of nomadic herdsman that traded with Israel
in the time of the Monarchy (e.g. David, Solomon etc.).[1]
Kedar (town) -
settlement east of Jerusalem near Maale
Adumim
[edit] In Hinduism
Kedar means
invincible or powerful.
Kedar can also
be an entity that has such a powerful presence that it brings
about calm and peacefulness.
Shiva, (a Hindu God) is also known as
Kedarnath meaning (Powerful Lord -
Nath meaning
Lord and Kedar
meaning Powerful) god who is
worshipped at the Kedarnath
Temple in the north of India. Kedar
nath temple is
located in the foot of Himalayas. One can go to
Rishikesh (a holy
city) to reach Kedarnath
temple from there.
13 The Lord shall go forth as a
mighty man, he shall stir up
jealousy like a man of war: he shall
cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail [3] against his enemies.
14 I have long time holden
my peace; I have been still, and refrained myself: now will I cry
like a travailing woman; I will destroy and devour [4] at once. 15
I will make waste mountains and hills, and dry up all their herbs;
and I will make the rivers islands, and I will dry up the pools.
16 And I will bring the blind by a way that they knew not;
I will lead them in paths that they have not
known : I will make darkness light before them, and crooked things
straight.
[5] These things will I do unto them, and
not forsake them.
17 They shall be turned back, they shall be greatly ashamed, that
trust in graven images, that say to the molten images, Ye are our
gods.
and then you have continuation of the same chapter and sums up
this journey to the ancient places in paths not known and setting
the crooked path straight. Just perfect
Israel's Failure to Profit from Discipline
18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see. 19 Who is
blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my
messenger that I sent? who is blind
as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord's servant? 20
Seeing many things, but thou
observest not;
opening the ears, but he heareth
not. 21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he
will magnify the law, and make it
honourable.
22 But this is a people robbed and spoiled; they are all of them
snared in holes, and they are hid in prison houses: they are for a
prey, and none delivereth;
for a spoil, and none
saith, Restore. 23
Who among you will give ear to this? who will hearken and hear for
the time to come? 24 Who gave Jacob
for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord, he
against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law. 25
Therefore he hath poured upon him the fury of
his anger, and the strength of battle: and
it hath set him on fire round
about , yet he knew not; and it burned him, yet he laid it not to
heart.
Is this above reference to Wormwood or the The
destroyer out of the Kolbrin Bible and its arrival??
Very powerful video that I just came across but note their that in
this journey I know there is an evacuation plan of all the faith
Sons of the Universal Government of Paradise of the One God the
message from the previous Epochs from the
cities are part of that. That's what Im finding on the run.
Matthew 12:20 (Read all of Matthew 12)
A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench,
till he send forth judgment unto victory.
Mentioned twice in the bible, must be significant.
But there is much if you follow the whole chapters.
I think the timing of finding parallel verses
is very interesting and beyond coincidence.
But there is much if you follow the whole
chapters.
here is a fragment
Quote:
An Evil Generation Seeks a Sign
38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered,
saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he
answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation
seeketh
after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the
sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and
three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be
three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The
men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and
shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of
Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. 42
The
queen of the south
shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall
condemn it: for
she came from the uttermost parts of the
earth to hear the
wisdom of Solomon; and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is
here. 43 When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man, he walketh
through dry places, seeking rest, and
findeth none. 44 Then he
saith, I will
return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is
come, he findeth
it empty, swept, and garnished. 45 Then
goeth he, and
taketh with
himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they
enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is
worse than the first. Even so shall
it be also unto this wicked generation.
and this one
Jesus' Mother and Brethren
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his
brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him. 47 Then one
said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand
without, desiring to speak with thee. 48 But he answered and
said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and
who are my brethren?
49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and
said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
50
For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven,
the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
I think the timing of finding parallel verses is very interesting and
beyond coincidence.
I see what you mean, I have no explanation but obviously things have been
omitted in the translation but that doesn't stop the truth unto judgment.
Quote:
The Lord came from Mount Sinai
and dawned upon us[a] from Mount Seir;
he shone forth from Mount Paran
and came from Meribah-kadesh with flaming fire at his right hand.
(New Living Translation)
And he said, The LORD came from Sinai, and rose up from Seir unto
them; he shined forth from mount Paran, and
he came with ten thousands of saints: from his
right hand went a fiery law for them.
(King James Version)
"The LORD came from Sinai
and dawned from Seir upon us;
he shone forth from Mount Paran; he came from the ten thousands of
holy ones,
with flaming fire at his right hand.
(English Standard Version)
I found the above interesting from the fact
that it in type and metaphor it can represent the end time construct.
Knowledge from on high through the books following the construct to the
cities in the focalization, the mountain of God, tree of life, relationship
from within with God into the treasury of knowledge, right hand could mean a
mouse and a written document in the journey and adventure where 10,000
angels where involved in the last testament of the ark in the end times,
lead by the right hand. Fiery right hand words of power and action, the word
in the journey was the sword that destroyed untruth. Group collaboration of
the last messenger and 10,000 angels working together in discovery and
enlightenment from our past and with a book and the books that lead to all
the cities of the Most High. The sword of truth, the word, the truth
that can verified utterly in the physical. The angels before him and
after him.
I proclaim in faith, this to the Kedar, the
Sons of Ishmael and all the villages they inhabit.
from a fragment of the above posts
Quote:
10 Sing unto the Lord a new song, and
his praise from the end of the
earth, ye that go down to the sea, and
all that is therein;
the isles,
and the inhabitants thereof.
11 Let the wilderness and the cities thereof lift up their voice,
the villages that Kedar doth
inhabit:
let the inhabitants of the rock
sing, let them shout from
the top of the mountains.
12 Let them give glory unto
the Lord, and
declare his praise in the islands.
This is for all mankind and especially a
message for the Kedar
from a lost city in the Persian Gulf, what has been hidden has been revealed
through a loving journey and discovery and there is an abbes involved in
lineage and check out the anagram of the word. Ibn
Abbes has an interesting thought to.
This is the kind of unity the Universal Government of Paradise is interested
in. This kind of thing a journey of self realisation in the will of God in
the unity of man of God working together in harmony, peacefully with our
brothers as one brother with the one God in the journey.
Quote:
Genesis 21:20 And God was with him: and
he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became
a young man, an archer.
An archer of truth through the words of a
discovery made in the wilderness.
One of the
descriptions of this prophet is that he will not be killed; instead, God will
spare his soul from being taken by the hands of the foolish. The false
prophet will be punished “even that prophet shall die ", meaning to be killed,
as killing is part of death, and because everyone will die. The Christians
claim that Jesus was killed, so it is not possible that he is the promised
prophet. Referring to the old translations of this passage we will find that
some alterations took place during the translation, as in what came in the
1844 edition "for this prophet to be killed", and it is not a secret why this
alteration took place.
8)He
talks about the unknown, and the reality matches his words.That
type of miracles is described in the Quran and the tradition of Muhammad (PBUH)
in uncountable volume. However, I will mention here only one of the
prophecies Muhammad (PBUH)
made, and it took place exactly as he mentioned.
Malachi
called the next prophet Elijah after he reminded them about Moses’
commandment on the mountain of Horeb,
the mountain on which Moses (PBUH)
mentioned the coming of a prophet like him among the brothers of Children of
Israel. The interpreter who wrote "The masterpiece of the generation" says:-
"The
messenger Elijah, who was mentioned at the end of Malachi's Book,
is a puzzle, and he is the rabbi of the world
who will come at the end of time".
Maybe it could about this journey speaking of the unknown
cities and its connection to Paradise.
The greatest Omen in the New
Testament of the final Prophet (Muhammad) is Jesus' omen about the Paraclete. John’s Bible is
distinguished by mentioning Jesus' omen of this Prophet, where he says to
his followers:
“If
you love me, you will obey what I command, and I will ask the Father, and he
will give you another Counselor to be with you forever—the spirit of truth.
The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But
you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you……” “If anyone loves
me, he will obey my teachings. The Father will love him, and will come to
him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my
teachings. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father
who sent me. All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counselor,
the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all
things and will remind you of everything I have said to you…..” “I have
told you now before it happen, so that when it does happen you will believe.
I will not speak with you much longer, for the prince of this world is
coming. He has no hold on me-“ John 14, 15-30
In the next chapter, Jesus asks his followers to
sustain his commandments, and then says: “When the Counselor comes, whom I
will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth
who goes out from the Father, he will testify about me. And
you also must testify, for you have been with me
from the beginning” John 15, 26
“All this I have told you so that you will not
go astray. They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming
when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God….”
“Because I have said these things, you are filled with grief. But I tell you
the truth: it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the
Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. When he
comes, he will convict the world of guilt in regard to sin and
righteousness and judgment: in regard to sin, because men do not believe in
me; in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where
you can see me no longer; and in regard to judgment, because the
prince of this world now stands condemned. I have much
more to say to you, more than you can bear.But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all
truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak
only what he hears, and he will tell you what
is yet to come. He will bring glory to me
by taking from what is mine and
making it known to you.”
John 16, 1-14
If believe the above points to the discoverer of the unknown
like the cites. I think it points to this day regarding the Prophet.
Sevens
3. In the Talmud and Targums:
Among Jewish writers the word "Paraclete" came to have a number of meanings.
A good deed was called a paraclete or advocate, and a transgression was an
accuser. Repentance and good works were called paracletes: "The
works of benevolence and mercy done by the people of Israel in this world
become agents of peace and intercessors (paracletes)
between them and their Father in heaven." The
sin offering is a paraclete; the paraclete created by each good deed is called
an angel (Jewish Encyclopedia, IX, 514-15, article "Paraclete").
I think there is a high probability of
being visited by a highly charged dark space body with its own system of
planets. I think it is due to visit us very soon according to prophecy. The
Angona system (UB) or Planet X or the destroyer/Wormwood.
There will be one last message in the beforehand with a warning and with an evac
plan for all people based on faith in the beforehand, if one does not listen
then he will be beyond the point of no return PNR
and simply be left behind.
Judgement will be set forth unto the truth. As we move closer to truth we move
closer to judgment and judgement has been set.
As we move further in truth we move closer to judgment and survival is all based
on faith even halfhearted faith is fine.
When man realizes that the record was the truth and everything comes to pass and
still doesn't listen, man will go through the greatest regret upon realisation
in that he spurned the last message in the beforehand and missed the ark
connected to the ark of the testament.
The Angona System is a space body that does have an orbit around the Sun and it
will pop up out of no where.
The world system will be broken and those who are haughty in making the most for
the least with greed have to measure themselves in this time now but that wont
happen. We all know that.
Get ready mankind because the sign that I have is a sign that no other person
has got and never had and the signs are the discovery of the multiple submerged
cities from the past with prophecy clearly attached to it contained in all the
books.
I dont now the time or hour but we must be so close now. However in the between
time I would like to launch an expedition to the Persian Gulf to verify the
truth of the real planetary business.
Man should invest in this not just as a money making thing but to verify the
truth as this may affect our survival.
Its a survival requirement and all man thinks off is "what's in it for me" Im
afraid that will not cut it for this journey. Its all about survival!
Planetary Government and religion (all religion) should go out there at their
own expense and verify the truth for mans sake and for the sake of their silly
system which are due for destruction. Man should not await an investment
possibility Just do it! You got the bloody money!
The US navy should be looking into it since the have all the equipment and are
virtually on top of the cities but that depends on the leader of the country and
how much truth he has..
Its a life and death prophecy linked to the cities of the past that should be of
National security seriously! But Im afraid it doesn't rate and yet this has the
highest potential of change with awful consequences. Im sure the government and
religion are all fast asleep. Ive written to all the main players.
If the US navy checked and it was verified they should tell the people of the
verification and then religion can apply the message and warning.
But is that not going to happen? because of no faith and shallow teachings with
pride and prejudice. We are in big trouble MAN and who can do anything about it
in the beforehand. Gee whiz!
Typical of man and unbelief. Get of your back side man and go out there since
you have all the resources to do this and its all to do with your children and
for the future which appears to be a secondary thought by the witness as wealth
pride and station seems to be the first priority.
Man you are going to need luck but then does not exist either only God.
The Earth and system is in BIG trouble! and everyone except us are fast
asleep! May be the Govt knows but they will save themselves only.
The Jesus evac plan is the only plan available to all man. But it through
faith, simple faith of a child.
Jesus is truly our Saviour and the best friend the planet and man ever had!
Sevens
posted
06-14-2008 04:18 PM
Man Ive been writing about for ages
why all these questions when its most obvious what and why Im saying all this.
He has to verify the truth of these cities as it, I believe represents a Omen of
change and man has to be prepared in the best way in his heart and faith
condition and its in the books.
Im not going answer the rest of the questions as Im just repeating myself and
going over and over the same thing and if you cant quicken to what I saying then
these posts are a waste of time for you. Its not a time to get caught up in
technicality and due process anymore its just a flat out warning with a bit of a
plan to help man and it might bring a little adventure to mans small crappy
about me mediocre life. This is designed to make man a little smarter and more
aware in truth unto judgment.
Anyway, its up to man I just saying
what Im saying if man chooses to ignore and the rest of it that's OK, its up to
him to make his own choices based on the research and what he reads. At the end
of the day it comes down to the individual and the decision he makes for himself
and his family for the future.
It eventually comes down to: Your
either in or your out in your decision and there is no in between or
compromises. None at all!
Its a flat out Black and White decision.
Anyway wireless, your the smartest guy here, everyone else is
in a dreamland and cant prove a single thing for all their crap.
Sevens
posted
06-14-2008 04:56 PM
I just dont want go in a infinite
circle
True nothing is a waste of time, I stand to be corrected.
Your'e right man has to fall before he can become great in the true spiritual
sense. Same goes for civilisation.
We must be so dumb that man has to go through this repetitive process however it
appears that over time through repetition his civilisation does advance but does
it advance in spirit. I think so but man needs correction along the way, its
just like a Father/Son relationship I suppose in essence over the timeline.
The rise and fall of man and civilisation. How about in the future we have man
and his Rise Rise Rise for man.
Man today is not getting the spiritual guidance he needs to be utterly
successful within himself. That's why we need the code maker with a new code to
upload for the future. So we don't go through this crappy rise and fall of
nations guided by shithouse leadership! not to mention all the millions that die
in horror along the way, just a sign of crappy leadership and poor religious
teachings and very bad interpretations that lead man astray in thoughts of self
grandeur, the big man crap of crap.
Sevens
posted
06-14-2008 04:56 PM
Its like this man runs this glassware shop, all nice and beautiful but rotten to
the core in management, you know the owners getting ripped, inventory stolen,
customers and the owners being ripped off except for dishonest friends, that
kind of thing. The owner gets sick of it where God enters the shop unexpectedly
and just smash everything and throws out the current management. Like a
drunkard, God just destroys all the glassware, smashes it to bits, cleans up the
mess and get his own better glassware in the shop with all new management that
he can trust!
That's what's its going to be like for this planet!
What God is doing in this time is finding and putting together
the furture management team for his shop or planet.
sevens
posted
06-14-2008 10:30 PM
I agree with all the above, no worries
true
About Hell, Im still working out whether it exists or not. It could be the
effect of religious evolution from the Good/Evil concept which is an
evolutionary effect of religion.
sevens
posted
06-15-2008 02:54 AM
Hi
I appreciate and agree that Atlantis come from Dilmun But I disagree its in
Indonesia.
quote:
So now it should be established
beyond doubt, that there was a global flood at the end of last ice-age. The
ice-age came to an end with the explosion of Krakatoa and other volcanoes
around the world. These explosions triggered huge tidal waves called Tsunamis,
which raised see levels all over the world and submerged many parts of the
world under water including Atlantis. In the following chapters we will see
that the land of Atlantis was called Dilmun in Sumerian records and in Indian
histories the name of Atlantis is the land of Kuru. Also the name of Atlantis
in Book of Genesis is Enoch. It was a city founded by Cain when he went
towards east. The Cain of Bible is the same as Kuru of Indian mythology. Also
Coronus of Greek mythology may be referring to Bible’s Cain as well. We will
see that the founder of Atlantis was Cain; the religion of Atlantians was
Polytheism which was opposite and also parallel to monotheism which was the
original religion in the world, practiced by Adam, Eve and their children
except Cain.
I believe Dilmun is where circular
Babel was created twice and lays submerged of the North Eastern Persian Gulf. It
is also marked and has a connection today by the triangle/circle arrangement
that is clearly seen on the plug of the shaft in the Queens tomb in the Great
pyramid and is the basic design of Dilmun the city with Babel in the middle in
the triangle/circle design. The early Egyptians came from Dilmun and surrounding
areas and marked there origins through the triangle/circle symbol. The great
Pyramid is purely as monument of the past and the future.
I feel this is the mystery of the great Pyramid that points to
the previous ancient city of Dilmun built by the fallen Sons of God who built
Dilmun and who then adopted the legends of Dalamatia City submerged in the
Southern Persian Gulf and who adopted the legends of this first triangle city
with the circular temple in the middle.
Myths and legends traveled across
the world and applied over time to local places of the inhabitant of whom
adopted the myth as there truth.
Here is the triangle City of Dalamatia City, the first city where all the
legends emanated from and that was destroyed 200,000 years ago.
../persian_gulf/index.htm
But if you did, it mentions that man will fall like a broken pitcher when
the destroyer arrives in the Kolbrin Bible.
If you had watched this video previously maybe the entity
was watching and the breaking of the pitcher in your house is perhaps a sign in
the confirmation made by your friend.
Perhaps like a warning to prepare yourself.
It could be that broken pitcher had some symbolism for you and the destroyer.
Anyway just a thought ahahaha.
Also Brig what did the bump sound like and was it from the attic or the basement
or in the walls.
Sounds interesting that in the last 3 days there has been full on activity since
you raised the subject and there has been discussion about it floating thoughts.
Could it be the entity is reading the posts and responding in his way??? Is the
entity trying to tell you something, perhaps you should work out a test.
Let me know what occurs, Im interested in that crazy house of yours ahahahahah.
sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sun Jun 15,
2008 11:54 am
Quote:
Isaiah 42:3
A bruised reed shall he not break, and
the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth
judgment unto truth.
and mentioned again by Matthew
Quote:
Matthew 12:20
A bruised reed shall he not break, and
smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment
unto victory.
Matthew thinks this excerpt relates to Jesus but I think it relates to the
last messenger and the thing that disguises him from Jesus is because he
smokes the flax (tobacco). Remembering the Last messenger and Jesus work
together at the end times and that is in the Quran as well being the Last
Mahdi and Jesus who defeat the last rebel or Dajjal at BabelLudd
Smoking came into vogue after the discovery of the Americas
and yet it is mentioned in the bible in the beforehand and Jesus never smoked
from what I can tell.
Oh well looks like the last guy has to stop smoking! but it appears it doesn't
happen until judgement has arrived. Judgement unto truth! Maybe the pressure
is very great for the last messenger and smoking relaxes him under the
pressure or something. Being a bruised reed seems to suggest that the Last
Messenger suffers from depression of past meaningful events in his life and
regrets and being alone in the wilderness he is depressed and isolated and no
one understands him but the Lord sustains him and makes him strong in truth
and in the word in the journey of the Seventh Seal.
Being sustained by the Lord, the Last messenger
does not break as most would under the pressure of the End times. It appears
that the Lord shows him the way to the Seventh mystery through all the books.
It also suggests that the Last Messenger is utterly successful and the Father
of all ages uphold his words in the action. Like Moses, the Last Messenger has
10,000 angels before him and after him throughout the world creating the right
circumstances. The Lord makes it happen for him like in the days of Moses. The
last messenger realizes in the journey and the Lord acts because the Last
Messenger cant do a thing because he is isolated and in the wilderness and he
is poor. Its only the Father and the last messenger working together and no
one else, working together as best friends without fear but in love for one
another.
Mind you there are people that could assist but
they are to selfish and have no understanding of the Epic of the Last
messenger.
For the Last Messenger, its the battle of all
ages in truth!
Quote: 2 He
shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the
street
The Last messenger is not heard in the streets
because its all through the internet. He doesn't speak but he is heard! The
delivery of the last message is different from any other prophet. His message
becomes the Ark of the Testamony and yet throughout all this there will be few
gathered at the last stand because of disbelief!
Not 1 ounce of truth and completely stupid the actions of total ignorance!
idiot arseholes.
Another perfectly good family destroyed by the idiots and they forfeit there
eternal life by this evil action. Absolutely nothing will save the
perpetrators of this crime including the fool who wrote the list in the book.
They will not enter Paradise! None of them will, they are all rejected!
sevens
posted
06-15-2008 02:48 PM
Now its a code of imagination....what
next
How about some hard facts and evidence! and answer some straight questions that
you fail to do and avoid.
sevens
posted
06-15-2008 03:05 PM
Absolutely, I totally agree that
Atlantis = Dilmun but I feel its more local as per images.
However I know the Andites went throughout the world spreading there culture
after losing there home in the Persian Gulf. The Dilmunites/Andites traveled
throughout the world which includes Indonesia spreading culture including myth,
I feel I have evidence of there travels in there artwork left behind, its all in
the eyes.
The Andites influenced many cultures with there myths and legends which contain
there stories of there cities and there destruction.
With Enoch...what a fabulous book that is
Here is some parallels I found about the Acropolis Hill at the time when I
researching 1stEden of Cyprus, however that was a few years ago and much has
been discovered since then.
I thought these parallel verses where interesting, I always felt this was a
specific description of the waters running down the Acropolis Hill to the valley
and to the great river that emanated out of the Garden Eden peninsula which
eventually connected to the Euphrates and then the Persian Gulf.
quote:
1Enoch Chapter 26
1 And I went from thence to the middle of the earth, (Eden) and I saw a
blessed place in which there were 2 trees with branches abiding and blooming
[of a dismembered tree]. And there I saw a holy mountain, 3 and underneath the
mountain to the east there was a stream and it flowed towards the south.
(Sounds like same description in Ezekiel. The previous chapter sounds like a
similar description to that I found in the following Ezekiel extract.
Similarities like the springs issuing out from on top of the Holy mountain.
Ezekiel further describes a temple and within its threshold probably a
courtyard had an altar within and close by the Altar the spring issued out
close by the tree of life.
(Ezekiel 47:1-12 KJV)
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters
issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: (spring issued from
the mountain within the temple) for the forefront of the house stood toward
the east, (Temple faced east) and the waters came down from under from the
right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Here is an extract I found in the Book of Adam and Eve that describes the tree
of life near where the springs where Adam and Eve eat of the tree of life and
bathed in its waters. A real paradise. The linkages in all three scriptures is
the stream that flowed from under the Holy Mountain.
The 1Book of Adam and Eve
extract 9 O Eve! Remember that while we were in the garden, we knew neither
night nor day. Think of the Tree of Life, from below which flowed the water,
(the spring) (the tree of life the ub) and that shed lustre over us! Remember,
O Eve, the garden land, (1st Eden) and the brightness thereof! 10 Think, oh
think of that garden in which was no darkness, while we lived in it.
Abbas what an interesting commonality to the ancient places specifically all the
ancient places in the revealing of what has been hidden and just to know that in
the linage is another abbes in the line, in this discovery and also another
Abbas in 1914 who foresaw the Urantia Book in the Chicago before it came to pass
in 1934.
However, Abbes is not my surname its
my mothers maiden name. Its like the whole thing has been planned right from the
beginning with connections and parallels in linage! I just think its great that
we agree on a commonality where Dilmun = Atlantis. At this junction we could go
alot further and bring in harmony all the places of all the ages and epochs with
its truth. Abbas/Abbes = Father/Mother = Sabbath (anagram) = Seven.
And just to think this operation is part of the Sevenfold
Mission related to the Sevenfold doctrine mentioned in Enoch which points
directly to the Urantia Book a manifestation of the Sevenfold Seraphic Mission
and has direct connection to the Ancients of Days, the Universal Fathers all
embracing the operations of the Most High!
Its just all fascinating, the journey of truth and in the
demonstration that you realize on the run in the Targum that emantes out of the
Persian Gulf and the Mediterranean sea all foreseen by John Gill 16th century
preacher!
Everything was foreseen in part and
brought together in the journey to the ancient places, the realms of Paradise!
This is the real journey of Atlantis encompassing everything that emanates truth
and in the demonstration.
I hope you dont mind Zia but I praise
the Lord God in this time of realisation and oneness.
quote:
1 Enoch 104:10 Another mystery also
I point out. To the righteous and the wise shall be given books of joy, of
integrity, and of great wisdom. To them shall books be given, in which they
shall believe;
1 Enoch l04:ll And in which they shall rejoice. And all the righteous shall be
rewarded, who from these shall acquire the knowledge of every upright
path.
1 Enoch 92:l2 Afterwards, in the seventh week a perverse generation shall
arise; abundant shall be its deeds, and all its deeds perverse. During its
completion, the righteous shall be selected from the plant of everlasting
righteousness; and to them shall be given the
sevenfold doctrine respecting every part of his whole creation,
1 Enoch 92:17 The former heaven shall depart and pass away; a new heaven
shall appear; and all the celestial powers shine
with sevenfold splendor for ever. Afterwards likewise shall
there be many weeks, which shall externally exist in goodness and in
righteousness.
1Enoch 1:8 Then shall all belong to God; be happy and blessed; and
the splendor of the Godhead shall illuminate them.
Iran and
North Korea may have bought nuclear missile blueprints
James Bone in Washington
The discovery of designs for a compact nuclear bomb has raised fears
that Iran and North Korea might have obtained blueprints enabling them
to mount long-range strikes with nuclear-armed missiles.
Designs for a nuclear device small enough to fit on a ballistic missile
were found on computers linked to the international smuggling ring that
supplied nuclear knowhow to Iran, Libya and North Korea, a top US expert
says.
“These advanced nuclear weapons designs may have long ago been sold off
to some of the most treacherous regimes in the world,” David Albright,
the president of the Institute for Science and International Security,
wrote in a report provided yesterday to The Washington Post.
The blueprints were among some 30,000 heavily encrypted documents found
in 2006 on computers linked to the now-defunct smuggling ring run by
Abdul Qadeer Khan, the “father” of Pakistan's atomic weapons.
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The Swiss President, Pascal Couchepin, said last month that the
documents had been destroyed under the supervision of the International
Atomic Energy Agency to prevent them getting into the hands of a
terrorist organisation or an unauthorised state. Mr Couchepin said:
“There were detailed construction plans for nuclear weapons, for gas
ultra-centrifuges to enrich weapons-grade uranium, as well as for guided
missile delivery systems.”
The computers belonged to three members of a Swiss family under
investigation for their alleged role in the “A.Q. Khan network”, which
was broken up in 2003 with Dr Khan being placed under house arrest. Two
brothers, Urs and Marco Tinner, are being held on suspicion of violating
export controls. Their father, Friedrich, was also detained but has
since been released.
The case is complicated by reports that Urs Tinner co-operated with the
CIA in exposing nuclear trafficking to Libya. The Zurich weekly Sonntags
Zeitung said in March that Urs Tinner provided the tip that led to the
seizure in 2003 of the German-registered freighter BBC China as it
carried components for a uranium-enrichment plant from Dubai to Libya.
The interception of the ship prompted Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, the
Libyan leader, to abandon his country's covert efforts to acquire
nuclear weapons.
The A.Q. Khan network is known to have supplied Libya with designs for a
bulky Chinese nuclear weapon from the mid-1960s. The designs discovered
on the Tinners' computers were for a smaller device similar to those for
a Pakistani nuclear bomb.
The New York Times reported that the blueprints were for a bomb that was
half the size and twice the power of the Chinese weapon, with far more
modern electronics.
“These would have been ideal for two of Khan's other major customers,
Iran and North Korea,” Mr Albright wrote. “They both faced struggles in
building a nuclear warhead small enough to fit atop their ballistic
missiles, and these designs were for a warhead that would fit.”
Because the designs are in digital form, it would be easy to distribute
copies. It is not known if the bomb designs were sent to Iran, North
Korea or any other nation.
Mr Albright said that the IAEA confronted the Pakistani Government
shortly after the discovery and its officials “were genuinely shocked”.
Im sure they are listening and being guided by the last rebel.
You know, it might be necessary for the USA to defend themselves, I sense that
they Iran are stalling for time in order to perfect a small nuclear bomb that
will be used against Israel and the USA.
They will not enter Paradise! If they commit this grievous sin against
humanity. No angels of any Paradise operation will never help them, they will
be abandoned and isolated. There real reckoning will come in the eternal life
which they will have no part of. The truth is front of them, they been
informed and they dont listen they will go down to destruction.
The truth is front of them, they been informed and if they
dont listen and continue down the path of destruction they will go down to
destruction as if there never been alive, that would constitute the basis of
personality extinction.
There is a good path for the leadership of Iran
open for them right now but if they forsake to use nuclear weapons heaven will
not help there souls. Gone forever! This is the choice that the Iranian
leadership faces in light of the truth that is in their waters not to mention
all the messages that are contained.
Sevens
posted
06-16-2008 02:12 AM
Hi
I must say its unique going from what I read and piece together. Thank God for
technology and books.
I was good to meet you Im glad we have a commonalty in that Atlantis = Dilmun.
With Cain I tend to think he lived in the area of Elam and built cities there.
From what I understand he and the Nodites had peace with the Adamites in the
Second Garden of Eden between the two rivers in the North near the triangle of
the rivers in the North. Im going back around 38,000 years.
There is one Nodite city found near the Persian Gulf which is called Jiroft. On
the location there is a huge Pyramid made from Brick situated within a caldera
of an extinct volcano. The artifacts found there are typical of the Andite
(Adamite\Nodite) culture.
All the best
Sevens
posted
06-14-2008 10:30 PM
I agree with all the above, no worries
true
About Hell, Im still working out whether it exists or not. It could be the
effect of religious evolution from the Good/Evil concept which is an
evolutionary effect of religion.
here is an interesting fragment
PAPER 95 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE LEVANT, Oct 19 2000
Zoroastrianism is the only Urantian creed that perpetuates the Dalamatian
and Edenic teachings about the Seven Master Spirits . While failing
to evolve the Trinity concept, it did in a certain way approach that of God
the Sevenfold. Original Zoroastrianism was not a pure dualism; though the
early teachings did picture evil as a time co-ordinate of goodness, it was
definitely eternity-submerged in the ultimate reality of the good. Only in
later times did the belief gain credence that good and evil contended on equal
terms.
The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as
recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering
traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia, were principally derived from the
Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and
cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the
"day of judgment ," but he connected this event with the end of the
world.
Even the religion which succeeded Zoroastrianism in Persia was markedly
influenced by it. When the Iranian priests sought to overthrow the teachings
of Zoroaster, they resurrected the ancient worship of Mithra. And
Mithraism spread throughout the Levant and Mediterranean regions, being for
some time a contemporary of both Judaism and Christianity. The teachings of
Zoroaster thus came successively to impress three great religions: Judaism
and Christianity and, through them, Mohammedanism.
.
Says quite a bit.
And this following importamnt fragment
quote:
7. THE SALEM TEACHINGS IN ARABIA
The Melchizedek teachings of the one God became established in the Arabian
desert at a comparatively recent date. As in Greece, so in Arabia the
Salem missionaries failed because of their misunderstanding of Machiventa's
instructions regarding overorganization. But they were not thus
hindered by their interpretation of his admonition against all efforts to
extend the gospel through military force or civil compulsion.
Not even in China or Rome did the Melchizedek teachings fail more
completely than in this desert region so very near Salem itself . Long
after the majority of the peoples of the Orient and Occident had become
respectively Buddhist and Christian, the desert of Arabia continued as it
had for thousands of years. Each tribe worshiped its olden fetish, and many
individual families had their own household gods. Long the struggle continued
between Babylonian Ishtar, Hebrew Yahweh, Iranian Ahura, and Christian Father
of the Lord Jesus Christ. Never was one concept able fully to displace the
others.
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Here and there throughout Arabia were families and clans that held on to the
hazy idea of the one God. Such groups treasured the traditions of Melchizedek,
Abraham, Moses, and Zoroaster. There were numerous centers that might have
responded to the Jesusonian gospel, but the Christian missionaries of the
desert lands were an austere and unyielding group in contrast with the
compromisers and innovators who functioned as missionaries in the
Mediterranean countries. Had the followers of Jesus taken more seriously
his injunction to "go into all the world and preach the gospel," and had they
been more gracious in that preaching, less stringent in collateral social
requirements of their own devising, then many lands would gladly have received
the simple gospel of the carpenter's son, Arabia among them.
Despite the fact that the great Levantine monotheisms failed to take root in
Arabia, this desert land was capable of producing a faith which, though less
demanding in its social requirements, was nonetheless monotheistic.
There was only one factor of a tribal, racial, or national nature about the
primitive and unorganized beliefs of the desert, and that was the peculiar
and general respect which almost all Arabian tribes were willing to pay to a
certain black stone fetish in a certain temple at Mecca. This point of
common contact and reverence subsequently led to the establishment of the
Islamic religion . What Yahweh, the volcano spirit, was to the Jewish Semites,
the Kaaba stone became to their Arabic cousins.
The strength of Islam has been its clear-cut and well-defined presentation of
Allah as the one and only Deity; its weakness, the association of military
force with its promulgation, together with its degradation of woman. But it
has steadfastly held to its presentation of the One Universal Deity of all,
"who knows the invisible and the visible. He is the merciful and the
compassionate." "Truly God is plenteous in goodness to all men." "And when I
am sick, it is he who heals me." "For whenever as many as three speak
together, God is present as a fourth," for is he not "the first and the
last, also the seen and the hidden"?
Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]
quote:
"the first and the last, also the
seen and the hidden"?
This is was an interesting clue
regarding the hidden relating the first and the last eh! The ancient cities eh!
sevens
posted
06-16-2008 06:25 AM
The Day of Judgement interested me,
Does the day of judgement exist or is it religious evolution.
Here is Jesus words according to the Urantia Book, we know in the bible it
exists.
Then, speaking to all the disciples, he said: "You have heard how many cities
and villages have received the good news of the kingdom, and how my ministers
and teachers have been received by both the Jew and the gentile. And blessed
indeed are these communities which have elected to believe the gospel of the
kingdom. But woe upon the light-rejecting inhabitants of Chorazin,
Bethsaida-Julias, and Capernaum, the cities which did not well receive these
messengers. I declare that, if the mighty works done in these places had been
done in Tyre and Sidon, the people of these so-called heathen cities would
have long since repented in sackcloth and ashes. It shall indeed be more
tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment."
The next day being the Sabbath, Jesus went apart with the seventy and said to
them: "I did indeed rejoice with you when you came back bearing the good
tidings of the reception of the gospel of the kingdom by so many people
scattered throughout Galilee, Samaria, and Judea. But why were you so
surprisingly elated? Did you not expect that your message would manifest power
in its delivery? Did you go forth with so little faith in this gospel that you
come back
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in surprise at its effectiveness? And now, while I would not quench your
spirit of rejoicing, I would sternly warn you against the subtleties of pride,
spiritual pride. If you could understand the downfall of Lucifer, the
iniquitous one, you would solemnly shun all forms of spiritual pride.
"You have entered upon this great work of teaching mortal man that he is a son
of God. I have shown you the way; go forth to do your duty and be not weary in
well doing. To you and to all who shall follow in your steps down through
the ages, let me say: I always stand near, and my invitation-call is, and
ever shall be, Come to me all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will
give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am true and
loyal, and you shall find spiritual rest for your souls."
And they found the Master's words to be true when they put his promises to the
test. And since that day countless thousands also have tested and proved
the surety of these same promises.
According to Jesus it exists, the day
of judgment. It interesting "down through the ages" seems to have a duality in
the timeline it does mean the future from there but down through the ages can
mean back in time through the past which can have metaphor to the ancient
cities.
Note: when the Urantia speaks "down through the Ages" it looks back into the
past events, not the future, Like Jesus when he states "down through the ages"
he must be looking back down through the ages of time as clue pointing to the
Ancient cities of the earlier epochs of ancient times. So right here we could be
seeing a direct confirmation and endorsement from Jesus of this journey to the
ancient places down through the ages. It could very well be the straight and
narrow path through the day of judgment. Quite possible!
and this one, it must exist.
quote:
Then, as the people went down by the
river to witness the baptizing, the first man came privately to Jesus about
his inheritance inasmuch as he thought Jesus had dealt harshly with him; and
when the Master had again heard him, he replied: "My son, why do you miss the
opportunity to feed upon the bread of life on a day like this in order to
indulge your covetous disposition? Do you not know that the Jewish laws of
inheritance will be justly administered if you will go with your complaint to
the court of the synagogue? Can you not see that my work has to do with
making sure that you know about your heavenly inheritance? Have you not
read the Scripture: `There is he who waxes rich by his wariness and much
pinching, and this is the portion of his reward: Whereas he says, I have found
rest and now shall be able to eat continually of my goods, yet he knows not
what time shall bring upon him, and also that he must leave all these things
to others when he dies.' Have you not read the commandment: `You shall not
covet.' And again, `They have eaten and filled themselves and waxed fat, and
then did they turn to other gods.' Have you read in the Psalms that `the Lord
abhors the covetous,' and that `the little a righteous man has is better than
the riches of many wicked.' `If riches increase, set not your heart upon
them.' Have you read where Jeremiah said, `Let not the rich man glory in his
riches'; and Ezekiel spoke truth when he said, `With their mouths they make a
show of love, but their hearts are set upon their own selfish gain'."
Jesus sent the young man away, saying to him, "My son, what shall it profit
you if you gain the whole world and lose your own soul?"
To another standing near by who asked Jesus how the wealthy would stand in the
day of judgment, he replied: "I have come to judge neither the rich nor the
poor, but the lives men live will sit in judgment on all.
Whatever else may concern the wealthy in the judgment, at least three
questions must be answered by all who acquire great wealth, and these
questions are:
"1. How much wealth did you accumulate?
"2. How did you get this wealth?
"3. How did you use your wealth?"
Then Jesus went into his tent to rest for a while before the evening meal.
When the apostles had finished with the baptizing, they came also and would
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have talked with him about wealth on earth and treasure in heaven, but he was
asleep.
Well exists in Jesus' words and I
wouldn't under estimate any of this.
Here is another clue to the three
concentric circles , the insignia of the Melchizedek, the symbol that underpins
this journey to the ancient places. In each locations there are three circles,
Dalamatia City, 1stEden and Vans Headquarters. All cities connect with the
three circles. Fantastic!
quote:
The Salem teachers greatly
reduced the number of the gods of Mesopotamia, at one time bringing the chief
deities down to seven: Bel, Shamash, Nabu, Anu, Ea, Marduk, and Sin. At the
height of the new teaching they exalted three of these gods to supremacy over
all others, the Babylonian triad: Bel, Ea, and Anu, the gods of earth, sea,
and sky. Still other triads grew up in different localities, all
reminiscent of the trinity teachings of the Andites and
the Sumerians and based on the belief of the Salemites in Melchizedek's
insignia of the three circles .
You see it absolutely fantastic Melchizedek came
to invigorate what was already here. But because the truth was becoming dim in
the minds of men, the truth he made sure that the three circle symbol would
perpetuate through the Salem missionaries. So when it came time to reconnect all
the previous three circle cities in a journey, discovery and presentation at the
end which would be revealed that which was hidden and it would fit and be
verified in every aspect of the journey and in the discovery.
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:12 am
Hey ArchMichael
I read all those chapters you mentioned and I personally believe they are all
related to the last messenger intimately.
I know one can see it a Jesus but there are few things that are unique to this
time that was not known then, as we know In the journey to the ancient cities
including all the information about them does put us on the path of the former
things not known before. I believe this whole experience is part and parcel of
the continuance of Jesus bestowal finding completion at the end and has
duality to the last messenger.
In this time regarding the last messenger we are speaking of paths not known,
never traversed before showing us all new things that are not familiar to us.
I know there are many things about the last messenger in all of Isaiah which I
think we should investigate to verify perhaps this journey.
Reviewing all things in light of this journey and see how we fare.
Here are some links to a study I did in the books of Isaiah a couple years ago
looking at it from the 1stEden prospective. Mind you it was early in the
journey and much can be seen now since the we have discovered many more things
and cities or paths.
Here are some links to some highlights I did Isaiah long a time ago, I was
touching the surface then but now the verses will have more meaning as the
mystery appears to be more together in this day and the pieces appear to be
falling into place in relation to the time line of the journey to the ancient
places.
Im testing out the Urantia Book and
looking for relevant fragments in all books of religion, every culture to see if
I can find clues on the focalization of the ancient cities that the UB
expresses.
that's all
and following inner guidance on hunches and expressing them on the go creating a
document that I believe will be demonstrated through the verification of the
triangle city submerged in the Persian Gulf, the first city.
From there I follow the hidden tracks and paths and connect
them all up that to me resembles a consistency of oneness.
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:00 am
Hi I thought I would post up Isaiah raised by
ArchMichael and see what we can see looking from the perspective of this
journey to the ancient places, cities of the 3 circles. Lets see if there is
connection and parallel. I believe this both has duality to Jesus but some
extra things that points to the Last messenger specifically.
Quote:
God's Assurance to Israel in the last
times especially the probation time in the Testing period.
I believe its assistance to the last prophet
41 Keep silence
before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them
come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to judgment.
2 Who raised up
the righteous man from the east ,
called him to his foot,
gave the nations before him, and made him rule over
kings? he gave them as the dust to his sword, and as driven stubble to
his bow.
3 He pursued
them, and passed safely; even
by the way that he had
not gone with his feet.
4 Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the
beginning? I the Lord, the first, and with the last; I am he.
5 The isles saw
it, and feared; the ends of the earth were afraid, drew near, and came.
6 They helped
every one his neighbour; and every one said to his brother, Be of good
courage.
7 So the carpenter encouraged the goldsmith, and he that smootheth with
the hammer him that smote the anvil, saying, It is ready for the
sodering: and he
fastened it with nails, that it should not be moved.
8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed
of Abraham my
friend.
9 Thou whom I
have taken from theends of the earth,
and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee,
Thou art my servant; I
have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.
10 Fear thou not;
for I am with thee:
be not dismayed;
for I am thy God:
I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I
will uphold thee with the
right hand of my
righteousness.
11 Behold, all they that were incensed against thee shall be ashamed and
confounded: they shall be as nothing; and they that strive with thee
shall perish.
12 Thou shalt seek them, and shalt not find them, even them that
contended with thee: they that war against thee shall be as nothing, and
as a thing of
nought.
13 For I the Lord
thy God will hold thy right hand,
saying unto thee,
Fear not;
I will help thee.
14 Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee,
saith the Lord, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
15 Behold, I will
make thee a new sharp threshing instrument having teeth:
thou shalt thresh
the mountains, and beat them small, and shalt make the hills as chaff.
16 Thou shalt fan
them, and the wind
shall carry them away, and the whirlwind shall scatter them: and
thou shalt rejoice in
the Lord, and shalt glory in the Holy One of Israel.
17 When the poor
and needy seek water, and there is
none, and their
tongue faileth for thirst, I the Lord
will hear them, I
the God of Israel will not forsake them.
18 I will open
rivers in high places, and
fountains in the midst
of the valleys: I will make the
wilderness a pool
of water, and the dry land
springs of water.
19 I will plant in the wilderness the cedar, the shittah tree, and the
myrtle, and the oil tree; I will set in the desert the fir tree, and the
pine, and the box
tree together: ]
20 That they may
see, and know, and consider, and
understand together,
that the hand of the Lord hath done this,
and the Holy One of Israel hath created it.
The LORD's Challenge to False Gods
21 Produce your cause, saith the Lord; bring forth your strong reasons,
saith the King of Jacob.
22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them
shew the former things, what they be, that
we may consider them, and know the
latter end of them; or
declare us things for to come.
23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye
are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold
it together.
24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is
he that chooseth you.
25 I have raised up one from the north, and he shall come: from the
rising of the sun shall he call upon my name: and he shall come upon
princes as upon morter, and as the potter treadeth clay.
26 Who hath
declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime,
that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea,
there is none
that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
27 The first shall say to Zion, Behold, behold them: and I will give to
Jerusalem one that
bringeth good tidings.
28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no
counsellor, that,
when I asked of them, could answer a word.
29 Behold, they
are all vanity; their works are nothing:
their molten images are wind and confusion.
Many connections I can see.
Sevens
posted
06-18-2008 04:56 AM
Back to Hell
Here is a fragment that uses the word Invented Hells.
2. THE CONCEPT OF SIN
The fear of chance and the dread of bad luck literally drove man into the
invention of primitive religion as supposed insurance against these
calamities. From magic and ghosts, religion evolved through spirits and
fetishes to taboos. Every primitive tribe had its tree of forbidden fruit,
literally the apple but figuratively consisting of a thousand branches hanging
heavy with all sorts of taboos. And the forbidden tree always said, "Thou
shalt not."
As the savage mind evolved to that point where it envisaged both good and bad
spirits, and when the taboo received the solemn sanction of evolving religion,
the stage was all set for the appearance of the new conception of sin. The
idea of sin was universally established in the world before revealed religion
ever made its entry. It was only by the concept of sin that natural death
became logical to the primitive mind. Sin was the transgression of taboo, and
death was the penalty of sin.
Sin was ritual, not rational; an act, not a thought. And this entire
concept of sin was fostered by the lingering traditions of Dilmun and the
days of a little paradise on earth.
The tradition of Adam and the Garden of Eden also lent substance to the
dream of a onetime "golden age" of the dawn of the races. And all this
confirmed the ideas later expressed in the belief that man had his origin in a
special creation, that he started his career in perfection, and that
transgression of the taboos--sin--brought him down to his later sorry
plight.
The habitual violation of a taboo became a vice; primitive law made vice a
crime; religion made it a sin. Among the early tribes the violation of a taboo
was a combined crime and sin. Community calamity was always regarded as
punishment for tribal sin. To those who believed that prosperity and
righteousness went together, the apparent prosperity of the wicked occasioned
so much worry that it was necessary to invent hells for the punishment
of taboo violators; the numbers of these places of future punishment have
varied from one to five.
The idea of confession and forgiveness early appeared in primitive religion.
Men would ask forgiveness at a public meeting for sins they intended to commit
the following week. Confession was merely a rite of remission, also a public
notification of defilement, a ritual of crying "unclean, unclean!" Then
followed all the ritualistic schemes of purification. All ancient peoples
practiced these meaningless ceremonies. Many apparently hygienic customs of
the early tribes were largely ceremonial.
The Urantia Book seems to infer that
Hell is an invention because of the above reasons.
Well its up to people to make up there own mind on the subject of Hell and how
it was created.
Maybe hell is an invention!
Also the world record for drilling is being attempted at 35 000 feet = 10.668
kilometer.
In the Youtube video it states that the drill was 14.4 kilometers. That has
never occurred
So based on that alone, the sounds of hell from 14.4 kilometers below the ground
would have to be a fraud!
I believe that is false, the screams of hell video.
Im am inclined to believe the Urantia Book information and
I found the references to the ancient cities was interesting particularly the
mention of Dilmun and sin and its origins in truth.
Here is another fragment in the same above link and makes reference to the Seven
commands, one of the objective of going to Dalamatia City, to locate the stone
slabs with the Seven commands inscribed.
Dilmun is the Atlantis of Egyptians and whom adopted
the myth of Dalamatia City.
line 126: On Urantia the establishment of this "new and living way" was a
matter of fact as well as of truth. The isolation of Urantia in the
Lucifer rebellion had suspended the procedure whereby mortals can pass,
upon death, directly to the shores of the mansion worlds. Before the days
of Christ Michael on Urantia all souls slept on until the dispensational
or special millennial resurrections. Even Moses was not permitted to go
over to the other side until the occasion of a special resurrection, the
fallen Planetary Prince, Caligastia, contesting such a deliverance.
But ever since the day of Pentecost, Urantia
mortals again may proceed directly to the morontia spheres.
sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:22 pm
No worries III had a quick look.
I remember, I thought they were great posts. I really enjoyed them as that
expanded my thoughts in the way that I think.
III have to go through the post and see what you mean about Gabriel.
But all I know is that everything is going through a correction in my view and
some notions that man holds close does stand to be corrected.
The End Times might be very shocking for the ones held in doctrine and dogma
in the paths set straight. Some things that we have been taught simply doesn't
exists as Im realizing.
There is one subject that surprises me and realized and it concerns Hell and
its existence. Dopes it exists?? Perhaps a product of early evolutionary
aspect of religion? I did a recent study on it and I found surprising results.
Here is a study I did on whether Hell exists and it may be quite shocking in
the results.
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Wed Jun 18, 2008 9:53 pm
Hey ArchMichael,
Quote:
There are only 3 things that I think are
discussed in Isaiah.
1) Christ's comings
2) prophecies about Israel
3) prophecies against Israel's enemies.
Naturally, in reviewing Isaiah, I would be trying to find connections
about the ET's messenger. I just cannot find any concrete statements that
refer to an ET's messenger. I wish I could....
sevens wrote:
I read all those chapters you mentioned and I personally believe they are
all related to the last messenger intimately.
I agree with all that but I feel in Isaiah there appears to be a duality to
Jesus but to the End Times and its message
Quote:
26
Who hath declared
from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime,
that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that
sheweth, yea,
there is none that
declareth, yea,
there is none that heareth
your words.
18 I will open rivers in high places, and fountains in the midst of the
valleys: I will make the wilderness a pool of water, and the dry land
springs of water.
22 Let them bring them forth, and shew
us what shall happen: let them shew
the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the
latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
I thought the above verses and more had direct reference to the End Times, the
construct and the message seems to have duality with Jesus and the last
messenger with a few clues to the latter times. From the Jesus perspective it
has type to the last messenger.
Im sure in the last message of the End Times
Gabriel would be involved in the project of the End Times.
Sevens
posted
06-18-2008 10:53 PM
But dont you think Hell is part of the
evolution of religion that was adopted by later religions from the earlier, like
we have with Christianity, they adopted Hell from the Hebrews and they got it
from the the Eastern religions.
You have to prove that Hell exists.
Also I proved the Siberian Screams from Hell video false.
How do you know that Hell was taken from a previous religion in the case of
Christianity.
Religious evolution concerning that aspect?? Logically speaking it would seem
inefficient in the worlds of eternity to have a hell filled with negativity.
I believe in Personality extinction but it doesn't happen in this world.
And just to think the concept of Sin and inturn Hell came from the "lingering
traditions of Dilmun" The city built by the fallen Sons of God who perhaps used
these principles for control like we see today.
quote:
Sin was ritual, not rational; an
act, not a thought. And this entire concept of sin was fostered by the
lingering traditions of Dilmun and the days of a little paradise on earth.
and consider this
The Jewish traditions of heaven and hell and the doctrine of devils as
recorded in the Hebrew scriptures, while founded on the lingering
traditions of Lucifer and Caligastia , were principally derived from the
Zoroastrians during the times when the Jews were under the political and
cultural dominance of the Persians. Zoroaster, like the Egyptians, taught the
"day of judgment," but he connected this event with the end of the world.
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 pm
There are many posts like this in the earlier part
of this thread.
Just opinions of people who never knew about these ancient places.
Anyway as far as Im concerned the Father will do anything he likes regardless
what people think.
If he wants to being in a new book and demonstrate it he can no matter what
people think
If he wants correct Christianity or any other religions he will. Even if he
does through archaeological finds. I wouldn't get high horse about the Urantia
Book in its commentary because the people who write this has never seen the
book in demonstration and the commentary is underlined fear. As the book is
judged so are the people.
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:24 pm
Anyway Archmichael,
There are some posts deleted and unexplained but nevertheless there is a
record of everything that is said. It must of been the truth, I remember that
in one post I posted my first triangle/circle image here that I thought I
could see and then it got deleted. A couple of months later I established the
city was a triangle/circle design and had consistency with all the other
cities that had the same design feature. When things are deleted you never
know who they tie in to the future of realizations down the track.
When things are found in the first instance its a hunch but in the timeline,
the discovery of the first instance starts to make sense down the track as
more things are realized.
Deletion interrupts the process of discovery perhaps because the thing is not
understood.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 05:09 PM
No worries Wireless
Seems to match the non Hell scenario.
Well now I am on the this platform Hell does not exist as that is a
product of this thread highlighting the evolution of religion in the belief of
Hell. Hell came about to stop the successful bad guys (in their eyes) daring to
go against the taboos made by men. Confession is a public outcry of ones sin
unclean, unclean with subsequent cleansing and is not necessary. A short sincere
personal prayer in a realisation of a mistake with attitude correction is fine
and efficient.
Obviously Hell was created and used as a tool of fear and like the 25th of
December and is just another product of earlier religious celebrations that
derived from other earlier evolutionary religions of which the newer adopt
today.
I know this sounds terrible but many notions in the bible are mans evolutionary
work built upon the foundations of the earlier religions of man. In real truth
many ideas does not exist like Hell and 25th December being a Pagan worship day.
Everyone knows this.
The End Times will be shocking for those who are religious and unchanging
because this realisation actually would be seen as unacceptable which is Ok but
I can demonstrate it. Remembering this is a correction that is happening and
many will not like it in the end times and many things that we read is quite
either right and where the crooked paths has to be set straight.
Many ideas of religion like Sin are based on the lingering
traditions of the rebels. Thinking about it the rebels twisted truth for control
and hell was a tool used in these traditions. Many of these traditions and
taboos evolved down the timeline only to be broken and realized in the end
times. Actually the relationship with God is much simpler than that and is
personal and nothing to with ceremonies and outward projections.
Its just a personal inner spiritual journey and relationship
which is normal like with any other person. Jesus was all about breaking these
lingering traditions based on fear he wasn't interested in more bound ceremonies
but in only truth.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 05:44 PM
AAAAAhh come on Brig!! come on mate!
There many notions that we simply got from earlier religions and we adopted
their thoughts in the evolution.
Like wrong code for example. Maybe we have been deceived with this very notion.
What about 25th December Eh! what's the story there?? Its not even Jesus'
birthdate.
I tell you man Sin does exist and personality extinction does to. But Hell bound
to eternal fire from Sin and in the way we are taught is inconsistent. Hell
doesn't exist! Its just manmade tradition!
Also what about that Video, its only today that we can drill 10 kilometers. and
no other drilling outfit has found such a thing.
The screams of hell and those who produced it are perhaps working for the last
rebel using fear bound ideas based on these lingering traditions of Dilmun or
Atlantis right! They use deception and fear right! ahahahahahahahahahahah.
Interesting that it links with the
ancient places from Dilmun. Dilmat or the Maat and its association with
Atlantis, the real truth and how they ruled. Bit of an eye opener.
To know that they created these Hell places further down the timeline to be used
a fear weapon against man and which we see today in all religion, no religion
escaped in adopting this perception as a tool of rule.
The truth of the matter is that today when we die we into a
heavy slumber, (best sleep you ever had) and spiritually transported to be re
personalized with our thought adjuster in the mansion world, its all in the
spiritual world.
When a personality arrives at the mansion worlds of eternity and if the adjuster
is not there to be reunited with the personality, the personality does not
survive and is extinct.
That's what happens, there is no hell.
Look I know it sounds terrible but in the end times all things
inconsistent with truth will be smashed to pieces.
By me asserting this, I loose much credibility everywhere but
do I care no! only about the truth! Im only one voice in the wilderness.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 06:23 PM
Hey Wireless
quote:
Again, hell is a state of mind and
as such it exists!
Everthing changes...
Everything changes because the universe is restless and ever
changing. Its evolving into new heights and levels of truth into the evolution
of its own creation.
"Again, hell is a state of mind and as such it exists!" I think that man
still holds onto a bondage that doesn't exist. If there is a part of code which
is corrupt, what do you do? Delete! No different in the extinction of a
personality.
No personality is stored in Hell fire literal!
However, one can create their own Hell in this life no doubt ahahaha!
I reckon in the NDE's what happened there was that their mindal processes was
still operating whilst clinically dead and perhaps the thought adjuster in an
appeal, using all the bits of information with meaning would be used to
communicate to the soul of the personality who would recognize and understand.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 07:00 PM
Hey no worries wireless I can see what
your saying in your expansion. Not a problem I see your logic in what you say.
But this is where we may have differences, with utter respect. I dont believe in
re incarnation. I dont believe in the vicious circle or loop. I reckon its just
a one stop shop where some programmes are a case of Junk in and junk and is
simply discarded. I think there is a finality in personality extinction like
have never been. See the programming here is like a programme of choice we
select our programme based on our decisions. Some choice poor programmes for
whatever reason, there are good programmes and some bad programmes that are Not
Quite Right!
There is a master standard in the realm of Paradise, if a personality following
the wrong program by choice falls short it doesn't survive.
However, anything positive accumulated in the life of the personality who failed
to survive for whatever reason, that was consistent is retained by the Supreme
Coder for the benefit of the universe in its future purposes.
Its the journey beyond matter and space time into the realms
of infinite! Infinite platforms and many choices!
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 07:07 PM
Ok
but
quote:
5. Essentially, the Soul, which is
the esence of the self, is what is actually stored at the core or the main
database of information. Meaning that the mind program needs to be
re-programmed in accordance to that information...since the brain is no longer
running the code due to death!!!
We continue forth in the universe
constantly entering new levels of being new ever changing bodies in our
universal adventure.
We dont come back here for reprogramming part of the core, we continue on in the
everlasting reaches of the universe.
I thought the rest was interesting and made sense in many ways but we continue
forth in ever changing new bodies and platforms into the essence of creation
itself in the realms of eternity, the infinite.
Its the journey beyond matter and space time into the realms
of infinite! Infinite platforms and many choices!
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 07:18 PM
Oh Well
about reincarnation and about the personality that's what I believe and all
respect for what you believe. No problem!
There is alot of things that Im saying now that are upsetting people, like HELL
does not exist and also about reincarnation, that must be 99% against what the
planet believes in. But that's the way my research and realizations are going. I
think there are many things that man is simply wrong about in his religious
evolution.
We incarnate into a new body we dont re incarnate here back on
earth in flesh and blood like some religions teach!
Two things Jesus never spoke of was Hell fire, damnation and
reincarnation nor sex before marriage!
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 07:47 PM
Well
Well
I believe many of those ideas of reincarnation devised by the Brahmans thousands
of years to combat the Melchizedeks truth of simple faith and salvation. It was
a matter of influence and power and perpetuating genes hence the caste system.
I believe all that is just sophistry of the last rebel because all that
reincarnation truth was an invention that bore out of necessity to perpetuate
mans influence over another and created another so called truth, created not
realized in truth and demonstration.
Look at the results of the caste system to the spirit of man in its caste
enslavement that prevents him to find a free and better way in personal faith.
As for trances I dont believe that represents truth either. I believe that is
the territory of the Last Rebel to transmit all sophistries.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 07:51 PM
quote:
> Two things Jesus never spoke of
was Hell fire,
> damnation and reincarnation nor sex before
> marriage!
OK! So what!?
So what!! What!
Obviously he had more interesting things on his mind rather than perpetuating
religious evolution.
Everyone makes a big deal about Hell! does Jesus speak of it! specifically like
the Catholic Church or other religions?? All the religions speak of it and Jesus
is the only person who doesnt! Get that one in logic!
See that's where the deception and wrong dogma can occur
through the use of earlier religious evolutionary dogmas adopted by man through
the ages. Many things he could of been wrong about in the first instance and
evolved method over time and off course the last rebel would of had something to
do with this to maintain bondage and fear.
What Ok, is that Ok. What, so what!
However, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the religion of
truth, not religious evolution and lingering traditions.
http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
But it highlights some home truths about religion.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 08:11 PM
All Im doing is going by journey in
the books in the journey to the ancient places and the things that I come across
and what I discover in them.
Have a look at this video, in the first section its about religion, it clearly
points to the evolution of religion, you can see it actually demonstrated.
However, I believe in Jesus and I believe in the religion of truth, not
religious evolution and lingering false traditions from Dilmun/Atlantis. I
believe in the truth of Dalamatia City before the fall of the rebel Sons of God
and I believe in the Urantia Book and believe all the books have fragments of
utter truth amongst many false notions of religious evolution on all sides and
beliefs.
But it highlights some home truths about the evolution in all our religions.
Sevens
posted
06-19-2008 08:20 PM
Well anyway,
Its a conversation that can perpetuate for a while enjoy the video. Mind you its
pretty hard on religion but in this journey we know better but the places have
to be verified.
We all believe what we believe at the end of the day.
what what eh Eh what ! ahahahahah
sevens
posted
06-20-2008 03:47 PM
quote:
..and what's the religion of truth!?
Please note that I personally do NOT believe in any "religion"!!!
Religion of truth, a religion that can
be verified on all levels especially on the physical level.
You read and see without compulsion. A religion with intelligence that
harmonizes and which has soul.
sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Fri Jun 20, 2008 10:18 pm
To be quite honest I dont think an expedition is
going to happen out there anyway, nothing to fear.
Religion does not like this and will not like this to occur because of the
many changes it brings and its challenging.
The Nodite system doesn't want this to happen as there system may get wrecked.
General man couldn't careless only if he can see it all before him with pop
corn in one hand and controller in the other.
The Urantia crowd is to small and divided because many think there super
intellectual and see this as a threat for some reason.
No government wants this as people become smart and understand everything.
So there you have it a stalled project of truth of the Kingdom of Heaven where
man is full of pure fear and afraid of adjustment with correction brought
about by the Kingdom of Heaven.
So onward Christian solders eh! In light of this truth, the song seems like a
farce if we view all mans attitude regarding the truth of this stalled
journey.
Well done man you're a real star
and coward in the same light. I tell you there will be nothing coming for or
forth from Christianity in truth except through these places no other action
will come from anywhere else. Like a drought of truth except for these places.
If Christianity wants to know a spiritual drought then continue to reject the
works of the Kingdom of Heaven! If the churches wants to know the cut of
feeling or the pruned branch feeling just continue in the path of rejection
and deletions. Just continue sitting on your fat behind in your so called self
righteousness and lets see how you fare in the quest of truth.
Where is your demonstration of truth in the end times?...No where because
everyone expects God to do everything for them. Well no such luck...we have to
work for the end time construct in understanding and in truth and we have to
seek out all possibilities in truth, not bias opinions with no demonstration.
If Christianity rejects the End time construct at the end of the day then the
whole movement just becomes a farce. What was it all about in the first place
if Christianity fails to see the end time construct and continues on the road
with general man in his rejection.
If this blindness occurs in the end times for Christianity then the movement
falls down in a heap of rubble and it would be better if it never occurred in
the first place if this is the end result. Failure, with most if not all of
the churches.
Even if Christianity went out there and it was wrong, like the places never
existed, that is OK because they took the time to check out what was being
asserted, they did the right thing by investigating and they did the right
thing for the congregation. But rejecting this journey out of hand is the
worst mistake for themselves and for the congregation and is no different to
the rejection and death of Jesus. It is the same spirit!
I definitely know that Jesus would fully
approve this investigation but because Christianity rejects, I then ask who is
in control of Christianity. Is the same spirit of rejection and judgment seen
at the Cross??? Is Christianity deceived in by end time witness in the end
times through in action and doing nothing except just talk being self
deceived?
I say what I say but I can demonstrate it. Can Christianity
demonstrate anything??? except doctrine and dogma which have no life and does
not sup of the living waters of eternity nor the tree of life.
Truth unto judgment, meaning after the truth is rejected in
the end times, Judgment will occur and only a few were gathered in the final
stand on the long and narrow path!
Jesus comes to enlighten while Father commits judgment day
after the failure is evident!
I am sincerely sorry to Jesus and the Father,
my Masters and my friends that the end times wasn't more successful but I did
my best to the end living hand to mouth. And where is Christianity in
support?...No where to be seen, all done, all forsaken and all finished.
I say personally
let the Judgment proceed!
Because this planet currently is a gonna! There is no more point wasting time
nor posts. All has been revealed and spoken about and nothing is forth coming.
No one will go out to the cities of truth in order to avoid the truth!
As a physical member of the Seraphic Sevenfold mission of Planet Urantia/Earth
I
declare and request to the Ancient of Days the call of Judgment Day! of the
wicked, unbelieving, faithless and untruthful for this planet
Sevens
Re:
EXCLUSIVE: Hezbollah Poised to Strike? Sat Jun 21, 2008 12:43 am
Hezbollah would be foolish to go to war as the
call for judgment day has been requested from the Ancient of Days.
It would be foolish for any country to begin a war.
I noticed there is call to peace from the Palestinian side, refreshing bit of
news. Maybe there reading the posts! who knows eh!
sevens
posted
06-20-2008 06:54 PM
That's interesting ""scientism""
Haven't heard that one before.
Welcome to my "scientism" religion ahahahaha
just joking.
Anyway dont worry about it, I made a request to the Ancient of Days requesting
the Call for Judgment day.
So at the end of the day we will see what the truth is demonstrated!
Here is a post I made to a Christian
forum in a thread that has been long standing regarding the ancient places. I
thought I would post this to provide some insight and to keep Islam informed
of what is occurring on
the other cultural divide. I share this as a friend and it may be helpful of
where the journey to ancient places is at in truth.
I want all to benefit as the One God in Paradise does.
..................................................
...............................................
To be quite honest I dont think an expedition is going to happen out there
anyway, nothing to fear.
Religion does not like this and will not like this to occur because of the
many changes it brings and its challenging.
The Nodite/Babylon system doesn't want this to happen as there system may get
wrecked.
General man couldn't careless only if he can see it all before him with pop
corn in one hand and controller in the other.
The Urantia crowd is to small and divided because many think there super
intellectual and see this as a threat for some reason.
No government wants this as people become smart and understand everything.
So there you have it a stalled project of truth of the Kingdom of Heaven where
man is full of pure fear and afraid of adjustment with correction brought
about by the Kingdom of Heaven.
So onward Christian soilders
eh! In light of this truth, the song seems like a farce if we view all mans
attitude regarding the truth of this stalled journey.
Well done man you're a real star and coward in the same light. I tell you
there will be nothing coming for or forth from Christianity in truth except
through these places no other action will come from anywhere else. Like a
drought of truth except for these places.
If Christianity wants to know a spiritual drought then continue to reject the
works of the Kingdom of Heaven! If the churches wants to know the cut of
feeling or the pruned branch feeling just continue in the path of rejection
and deletions. Just continue sitting on your fat behind in your so called self
righteousness and lets see how you fare in the quest of truth.
Where is your demonstration of truth in the end times?...No where because
everyone expects God to do everything for them. Well no such luck...we have to
work for the end time construct in understanding and in truth and we have to
seek out all possibilities in truth, not bias opinions with no demonstration.
If Christianity rejects the End time construct at the end of the day then the
whole movement just becomes a farce. What was it all about in the first place
if Christianity fails to see the end time construct and continues on the road
with general man in his rejection.
If this blindness occurs in the end times for Christianity then the movement
falls down in a heap of rubble and it would be better if it never occurred in
the first place if this is the end result. Failure, with most if not all of
the churches.
Even if Christianity went out there and it was wrong, like the places never
existed, that is OK because they took the time to check out what was being
asserted, they did the right thing by investigating and they did the right
thing for the congregation. But rejecting this journey out of hand is the
worst mistake for themselves and for the congregation and is no different to
the rejection and death of Jesus. It is the same spirit!
I definitely know that Jesus would fully approve this investigation but
because Christianity rejects, I then ask who is in control of Christianity. Is
it the same spirit of rejection and judgment seen at the Cross??? Is
Christianity deceived in by their end time witness in the end times through in
action and doing nothing except just talk being self deceived?
I say what I say but I can demonstrate it. Can Christianity demonstrate
anything??? except doctrine and dogma which have no life and does not sup of
the living waters of eternity nor the tree of life.
Truth unto judgment, meaning after the truth is rejected in the end times,
Judgment will occur where only a few will be gathered in the final stand on
the long and narrow path! The Father already knows the outcome and will
respond to the requests of the elect to end, in the failure of the end time
construct. This is how judgment comes to pass.
Jesus comes to enlighten while Father commits judgment day after the failure
is evident!
I am sincerely sorry to Jesus and the Father my Masters and my friends that
the end times wasn't more successful but I did my best to the end living hand
to mouth. And where is Christianity in support?...No where to be seen, all
done, all forsaken and all finished.
I say personally let the Judgment proceed!
Because this planet currently is a gonna! There is no more point wasting time
nor posts. All has been revealed and spoken about and nothing is forth coming.
No one will go out to the cities of truth in order to avoid the truth!
As a physical member of the Seraphic Sevenfold Mission of Planet Urantia/Earth
I declare and request to the
Ancient of Days the call of Judgment Day! of the wicked, unbelieving,
faithless and untruthful for this planet
Sevens
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods
Here is a post that I made to the Sons of
Ishmael, the inhabitants of Kadesh.
Since Christianity has utterly failed the call, I gave the ancient places as a
gift to the Sons of Kadesh,
Sons of Ishmael...Islam. I made an open invitation for them to explore the
first city of civilisation that lays in the Persian Gulf.
If Christianity fails the call well Islam might very well succeed and may put
to shame the unbelief and the lack of faith and spiritual pride of
Christianity.
By the way Sons of Ishmael, there is an
open invitation to verify the first city of civilisation hidden in your
waters for the purpose of enlightenment for man from Paradise.
You are quite welcome to explore the first great place where the tree of
life was kept. Any man with faith is quite welcome to explore the places
and is my gift to Islam and to the Sons of Ishmael. This operation of
Paradise is not exclusive and is open for all man to explore and as it
may turn out these places will being positive change but if all man
rejects the final truth of the end times of this Epoch then man will be
the victim of judgment in his unbelief and lack of faith.
So now its the time of faith in Paradise and go out and verify the
places for all mans sake of the truth. Christianity will not go out
there so now it is up to Islam, the ball is in the court of Islam, in
the court of the Sons of Ishmael to bring in this expanded truth in the
discovery of the truth of all our origins and remember the Ancient of
Days are observing everything especially attitude towards the things of
Paradise.
If anyone needs assistance in the truth
of the matter I will help if its brings in truth and nothing but!
All the best
Sevens8
all the best in the end times because you all will need it.
No worries I respect what you are saying, sorry if
I went over the mark regarding the last prophet. All I know is that a big city
lays there hidden and needs additional faith sons to verify it. I also believe
that Paradise has the last call in anything it does and can do anything it
likes at any time with anyone it deems as a friend.
Lets go verify the first city and have some spiritual adventure for a change
with the one God of Paradise at the helm.
So lets say if this is the last end time construct before Jesus comes back to
kill Dajjal and Christianity and Islam reject all. Where does that leave the
Universal Government of Paradise??? Who are the friends of the Universal
Government of Paradise if rejection is the call of today??
It could only mean severe judgment of all.
We all know that when Judgment occurs the whole world wide system of untruth
will be eradicated in truth!
Judgment will be unlike anything man has seen and never
will see.
Quote:
Makkah in 630AD. The
fiery Law in his right hand is "Islam".
In 630AD but what of today in our times?? and
how is it being demonstrated? What is the witness of the call of the God of
Paradise in today's times? What is the actual end time construct
specifically in the days that we all live in? What is the thing that God
focuses on specifically to bring about change and judgment? and where does
the message emanate from? from the sea?? from all the generations of the
past?
Sevens8
Re:
Dalamatia, the original home of the Gods Sat Jun 21, 2008 3:12 am
If Islam fails the call I will go to the
Buddhist, if that fails then it is proven to Paradise that all man and his
religion has rejected the catalyst of the end times construct of enlightenment,
truth and change in a peaceful operation of discovery adventure and truth. Then
man deserves all he gets, every last bit of it for his grave failure in the end
times construct, utterly failed in the end times.
Sevens
posted
06-22-2008 03:20 AM
I found this article on the front end
of this website I was interested in the 3 coplanar circles of the crop circle. I
wonder if there is additional thoughts contained in the symbol. I know the
3 co planar circles are connected to the journey to the ancient places. I
wonder if there something related to the journey through similar symbolism found
in the circle.
This symbol may also reflect the mystery of the 7
spheres and the 3 spheres mentioned in the Kolbrin Bible which I interpret as
the 7 circles of the Sevenfold and the 3 circle symbol of the Melchizedek
although the Melchizedek symbol is 3 concentric circles in this case 3 co planar
circles which reflect the submerged cities with the same 3 co planar
commonality.
It maybe a connection to the journey linking the oneness of the symbols related
to the journey to ancient cities, the symbol does have 7 Spheres and 3 co planar
circles. However, the 3 circles are within the Seven spheres in reverse to what
is mentioned in the Kolbrin bible extract.
Looking at it again the UFO crop circle is 7 spheres within
the 3 co planar spheres which does fulfill the Kolbrin thought of the 7
spheres within the 3 sphere relating to the mystery of the Kolbrin and in my
mind fulfilled in the journey to the ancient places. The crop circle is
like a confirmation and landmark along the path of truth leading to the cities
of the tree of life.
Anyway its just a thought.
Also note the symbol of the journey to
the ancient cities of the past ages which I made sometime ago.
I appreciate your response III think about it, there is much to think about.
I was doing some reading about Islam where I came across this clue
"for is he not "the first and the last,
also the seen and the hidden"? I
had the feeling this maybe a indirect clue to the ancient places in the
discussion of Islam.
I haven't looked it up yet in the Quran or the relevant Hadith purposely, I was
wondering if you know this verse lays and I was curious in what context the
verse is delivered.
I personally feel its a strong clue but I dont know I haven't seen the rest of
the Verses to see if there is a connection and strong clue pointing to the
journey to the ancient places.
I have found many verses relating to the End at the beginning in the Old
Testament where I strongly feel it relates to this journey declaring the end at
the beginning.
Here is a search I did that I believe relates to these ancient cities being the
beginning of our origins where the End shall come.
Quote:
Isaiah 46.9 Remember the former things of old: for
I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
Declaring the end from the beginning, and
from ancient times the things that are not yet done,
saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
and here is an old post where I felt related to a
great change coming from the Beginning. I felt these verses where interesting.
Quote:
What can we find in the bible about witness that
might be relevant to this journey to ancient times in truth.
6 And Moses spake unto the children of Israel, and every one of their
princes gave him a rod [1] apiece, for each prince one, according to
their fathers' houses, even twelve rods: and the rod of Aaron was
among their rods. 7 And Moses laid up the rods before the Lord in
the tabernacle of witness.
8 And it came to pass, that on the morrow Moses went into the
tabernacle of witness; and, behold, the rod of Aaron for the
house of Levi was budded, and brought forth buds, and bloomed
blossoms, and yielded almonds. 9 And Moses brought out all the
rods from before the Lord unto all the children of Israel: and they
looked, and took every man his rod. 10 And the Lord said unto Moses,
Bring Aaron's rod again before the testimony, to
be kept for a token against the rebels; [2] and thou shalt
quite take away their murmurings from me, that they die not. 11 And
Moses did so: as the Lord commanded him, so did he. 12 And the
children of Israel spake unto Moses, saying, Behold, we die, we
perish, we all perish. 13 Whosoever cometh any thing near unto the
tabernacle of the Lord shall die: shall we be consumed with dying?
and
Psalm 89:37
It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a
faithful witness in heaven. Selah.
and
Proverbs 12:17
He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false
witness deceit.
and
Proverbs 14:5
A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter
lies.
and
Proverbs 14:25
A true witness delivereth souls: but a deceitful witness
speaketh lies.
and
Proverbs 21:28
A false witness shall perish: but the man that heareth speaketh
constantly.
and
Isaiah 19:20
And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the
Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry
unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them
a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.
and
Getting hot
Isaiah 43:9
Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be
assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former
things?let them bring forth their witnesses,
that they may be justified: or
let them hear, and say, It is truth.
and
Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my
servant whom I have chosen: that ye may
know and believe me, and
understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed,
neither shall there be after me.
and
Isaiah 43:12
I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there
was no strange god among you: therefore ye are
my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God.
and
Isaiah 44:8
Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that
time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is
there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
and
Isaiah 44:9
They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their
delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own
witnesses;they see not, nor know; that they
may be ashamed.
and
a high honour
Isaiah 55:4
Behold, I have given him for a witness to
the people, a leader and commander to the people.
and
Jeremiah 32:10
And I subscribed the evidence, and sealed it,
and took witnesses, and weighed him the money
in the balances.
and
Lamentations 2:13
What thing shall I take to witness for thee?
what thing shall I liken to thee, O daughter of Jerusalem? what
shall I equal to thee, that I may comfort thee, O virgin daughter
of Zion? for thy breach is great like the sea:
who can heal thee?
and
Micah 1:2
Hear, all ye people; hearken, O earth, and all that
therein is: and let the Lord GOD be witness
against you, the Lord from his holy temple.
and
Matthew 18:16
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more,
that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be
established.
and
Matthew 23:31 (Read all of Matthew 23)
Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
and
John 5:32
There is another that beareth witness of me;
and I know that the witness which he witnesseth
of me is true.
and
John 8:18
I am one that bear witness of myself, and
the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
and
John 15:27
And ye also shall bear witness, because
ye have been with me from the beginning.
and
John 18:37
Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered,
Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this
cause came I into the world, that I should bear
witness unto the truth. Every one that is of
the truth heareth my voice.
and
Acts 2:32
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we
all are witnesses.
and
Acts 26:16
But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have
appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister
and a witness both of these things which thou hast
seen, and of those things in the which I
will appear unto thee;
and
Acts 26:22
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue
unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying
none other things than those which the prophets and
Moses did say should come:
and
Romans 3:21
But now the righteousness of God without the law
is manifested, being witnessed by the law
and the prophets;
and
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our
spirit, that we are the children of God:
and
Hebrews 2:4
God also bearing them witness, both with signs
and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy
Ghost, according to his own will?
and
1 John 1:2
(For the life was manifested, and
we have seen it, and bear
witness, and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father, and was manifested unto
us;)
and
Revelation 11:3 (Read all of Revelation 11)
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and
threescore days, clothed in sackcloth
Very interesting word search
Remember the outcome of this journey is related to self realisation, a journey
that we can all participate in on the run and is not exclusive. Its a path that
leads to Jesus who will come back and be the victor in truth.
If you wish, you can recite this Verse from the
Holy Quran:--"No soul knows what is kept hidden for them, of joy as a reward for
what they used to do." (32.17) (Book
#54, Hadith
#467)
Gabriel replied, 'Gabriel.' It was asked,'
Who is accompanying you?' Gabriel replied, 'Muhammad.' It was asked, 'Has he
been called?' Gabriel replied in the affirmative. then it was said, 'He is
welcomed. What an excellent visit his is!' So when I went (over the seventh
heaven), there I saw Abraham. Gabriel said (to me), 'This is your father; pay
your greetings to him.' So I greeted him and he returned the greetings to me and
said, 'You are welcomed, O pious son and pious Prophet.' then I was made to
ascend to Sidrat-ul-Muntaha
(i.e. the Lote Tree of the
utmost boundary) Behold! Its fruits were like the jars of
Hajr (i.e. a place near Medina) and
its leaves were as big as the ears of elephants. Gabriel said, 'This is the
Lote Tree of the utmost
boundary) . Behold ! there ran four rivers, two were
hidden and two were visible, I asked, 'What are these two kinds of
rivers, O Gabriel?' He replied,' As for the hidden rivers,
they are two rivers in Paradise and the visible
rivers are the Nile and the Euphrates.'
(7) Abu'l-Bakhtari reported: We
saw the new moon of Ramadan as we were at Dhit-i-'Irq. We sent a man to Ibn
Abbas (Allah be pleased with both of them) to ask him (whether the sighting
of a small moon had something of the nature of defect in it). Upon this Ibn 'Abbas
(Allah be pleased with both of them) said that the Messenger of Allah (may peace
be upon him) had said: Verily Allah deferred its sight, but if (the new moon) is
hidden from you, then, complete its
number (thirty). (Book
#006, Hadith
#2393)
(9) It
has been narrated on the authority of
Sa'id b. Musayyab
who said: My father was one of those who swore fealty to the Messenger of Allah
(may peace be upon him) near the tree. When
we passed that way next year intending to perform the Hajj,
the place of the tree was
hidden
to us. If you could point out clearly,
you would (certainly) be knowing better. It has also been narrated on the
authority of Sa'id b.
Musayyib who learnt from his father
that they were with the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him)
in the year of the Tree (i.
e. in the year of the fealty of God's pleasure sworn under the tree at
Hudaibiya), but
next year they forgot the spot of the tree.(Book
#020, Hadith
#4588)
(14) Abu
Zaid (viz.
Amr b.
Akhtab) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon
him) led us in the dawn prayer and then mounted the pulpit and addressed us
until it was (time for the) noon prayer. He then came down the pulpit and
observed prayer and then again mounted the pulpit and again addressed us until
it was time for the 'Asr
prayer. He then again came down and observed the prayer and again
mounted the pulpit and addressed us
until the sun was set and he informed (about) everything (pertaining to
turmoil) that lay
hidden
in the past and what lies in (the womb) of)
the future and the most
learned amongst us is one
who remembers them well (Book
#041, Hadith
#6913)
Sa'd struck his chest and said: Keep quite. I heard Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah loves the
servant who is God-conscious and is
free from want and is
hidden (from the view of people). (Book
#042, Hadith
#7072)
(6) Narrated
AbuMalik: The people asked:
Tell us a word which we repeat in the morning, evening and when we rise. So he
commanded us to say: "O Allah! Creator of Heavens and Earth; Knower of all
that is hidden
and open; Thou art
the Lord of everything; the angels testify that there is no god but Thee, for we
seek refuge in Thee from the evil within ourselves, from the evil of the Devil
accused and from the evil of his suggestion about partnership with Allah, and
that we earn sin for ourselves or drag it to a Muslim."
AbuDawud said: And through the same
chain of transmitters the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him)
said: When one rises in the morning, one should say: "We have reached the
morning, and in the morning the dominion belongs to Allah, the Lord of the
universe. O Allah! I ask Thee for the good this day contains, for conquest,
victory, light, blessing and guidance during it; and I seek refuge in Thee from
the evil it contains and the evil contained in what comes after it." In the
evening he should say the equivalent. (Book
#41, Hadith
#5065)
(3)On
the Day when Allah will gather the Messengers together and say to them:
"What was the response you received (from men to your teaching)? They will say:
"We have no knowledge, verily, only You are the
AllKnower
of all that is
hidden.
(5) And with Him
are the keys of the Ghaib (all that is
hidden), none
knows them but He. And He knows whatever there is in
(or on) the earth and in the sea; not a
leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the darkness of the earth
nor anything fresh or dry, but is written in a Clear Record.
(9) "O
our Lord! Certainly, You know what we conceal and what
we reveal. Nothing on the earth or in the heaven is
hidden from
Allah.
(10) And
if you (O Muhammad SAW) speak (the invocation) aloud, then verily, He knows the
secret and that which is yet more
hidden.
"Verily, the Hour is coming and My Will is to
keep it hidden
that every person may be rewarded for that which he strives
(12) Al-La
(this word has two interpretations) (A) (As
Shaitan (Satan) has barred them
from Allahs Way) so that
they do not worship (prostrate before) Allah, or (B) So that they may worship
(prostrate before) Allah, Who brings to light what is
hidden in the
heavens and the earth, and knows what you conceal and what you reveal. (Tafsir
At-Tabaree,
Vol. 19, Page 149)
(13) And
there is nothing
hidden in the heaven and the
earth, but is in a Clear Book
(21) That
Day shall you be brought to Judgement, not a secret of you will be
hidden.
(22) Except
what Allah, may will, He knows what is apparent and what is
hidden.
(
سورة الأعلى
, Al-Ala, Chapter
#87, Verse
#7)
(5) And with Him are
the keys of the Ghaib (all that is
hidden), none knows them but He. And He knows whatever
there is in (or on) the earth
and in the sea;
not a leaf falls, but he knows it. There is not a grain in the
darkness of the earth nor anything fresh or dry, but is
written in
a Clear Record
.
Seems to have a similar metaphor to the ancient hidden
cities. The journey seems fall in the same construct as in the above. There is
a clear record of the journey and all the discoveries along the way, this
focalization and journey is related to what is hidden on the earth and what is
hidden in the sea which we would understand.
I thought this was interesting to
Quote:
(13) And there is nothing hidden in the heaven
and the earth, but is in a Clear Book
(21) That Day shall you be
brought to Judgement,
not a secret of you will be hidden.
This infers that judgment day is related to what is hidden. It
appears that a secret or mystery is related to a day of Judgment.
(22) Except what Allah,
may will, He knows what is apparent
and what is hidden.
( سورة الأعلى , Al-Ala, Chapter #87, Verse #7)
I feel that Allah will reveal a mystery that is
hidden and relates to Judgment day. If this is right then I contend that the
mystery may come from the Ancient first cities where the tree of life was kept
at one point in time. These are all the cities thousands of years before Noah
and I believe the message will come from all previous generations and it come
from the Origins of all mankind.
There are many more references to hidden in the books of Islam that I find
intriguing and could very well be related to this focalization in the journey!
I thought this one was an excellent one to and it comes from Jesus himself
relating the first and the last of all of us exactly what the ancient hidden
submerged cities are all about in the construct.
Quote:
(10) Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), said: "O
Allah, our Lord! Send us from heaven a
table spread (with food) that there
may be for us - for the
first and the last of us -
a festival and a sign from You;
and provide us sustenance,
for You are the Best of sustainers."
the above has the same metaphor to this journey
being all to do "for the first
and the last of us" meaning all the
generations relating to the mystery fo
the ages, of the previous Epochs. Its in Jesus' words and its a sign,
perhaps the sign of judgment day.
Here is another verse that I find interesting
Quote:
(13) And We shall turn their hearts and their
eyes away (from guidance), as
they refused to believe therein
for the first time, and We shall
leave them in their trespass to wander blindly.
( سورة
الأنعام , Al-Anaam,
Chapter #6, Verse #110)
"they refused to believe therein for the
first time" is this related to the
first cities, the first time??
and this one was interesting and can be in
the same metaphor.
Quote:
(17) Await they just for the final fulfillment
of the event? On the Day the event is finally fulfilled (i.e. the
Day of Resurrection), those who neglected it before will say:
"Verily, the Messengers of our Lord
did come with the truth, now are there any intercessors for us
that they might intercede on our behalf?
Or could we be sent back
(to the first life of the world) so
that we might do (good) deeds other than those (evil) deeds which
we used to do?" Verily, they have
lost their ownselves
(i.e. destroyed themselves) and that which they used to fabricate
(invoking and worshipping others besides Allah)
has gone away from them.
and this one was interesting and can be in
the same metaphor
Quote:
(17) Await they just for the final fulfillment
of the event? On the Day the event is finally fulfilled (i.e. the
Day of Resurrection), those who neglected it before will say:
"Verily,
the Messengers of our Lord did
come with the truth, now are there any
intercessors for us that they might intercede on our behalf?
Or could we be sent back
(to the first life of the world)
so that we might do (good) deeds
other than those (evil) deeds which we used to do?"
Verily, they have lost their ownselves (i.e. destroyed themselves)
and that which they used to fabricate (invoking and worshipping
others besides Allah) has gone away
from them.
and
Quote:
(30) And
they will be set before your Lord
in (lines as) rows, (and Allah will say): "Now indeed, you have come
to Us as We created you the
first time. Nay, but you thought that
We had appointed no meeting for you (with Us)."
and
Quote:
(34) And (remember)
the Day when We shall roll up the
heavens like a scroll rolled up for books,
as We began the first
creation, We shall repeat it, (it is)
a promise binding upon Us. Truly,
We shall do it.
and
Quote:
(36) And He is Allah; La
ilaha
illa
Huwa (none has the
right to be worshipped but He). His is all praise,
in the first
(i.e. in this world)
and in the last
(i.e.in
the Hereafter). And for Him
is the Decision, and to Him shall you (all) be returned.
and
Quote:
(38) Say: (O Muhammad SAW) "He will give life
to them Who created them
for the first time! And
He is the All-Knower of every
creation!"
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