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Hi Ive been looking into the the differences of Paul's Gospel to that of Abner. Trying to understand the difference and then identifying the root cause. Abner was in direct contact with Jesus and leader of the 70 so his teachings would be equally as valid as the ideas of the occident.

Abner's idea was the primarily The Gospel of Kingdom of Heaven and the Brotherhood of mankind.

Similar to what we see in Islam essentially and the very early teachings of the Eastern Christian Branch of Christianity.

Abner was in charge of the Eastern Branch which was headed in Philadelphia. In revelations there is message to that particular church. I'm assuming that this blessings is for the end times and being a message for the Church of Philadelphia, the message extends to the religious branches that subscribe to this promise which I believe extends to Islam or the religions of the Abnernarian Gospel of Jesus' message.

 

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Revelation 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.




I'm not sure how one would take the latter, you have to search that for yourself. But I do believe that its a message for the middle eastern and eastern Med branch of the real gospel of Fatherhood and brotherhood of the kingdom and who have overcome destruction and division, the works of Satan. There is a crown reserved and no one is gong to take it away. It gives us further clues that is connected to the key of David, The key of David which my research indicates is connected to Eden and its glaring message. Regardless of the name there is a key involved in a mystery, and when that mystery is realised and shared beforehand, the door will be opened for a time, an opportunity given and then the door will close and no man will be able to open it, meaning when man realises his demise of rejection and the door or opportunity is closed. God wont hear his prayers!. I believe that key is Eden, the discovery of it and it will ensue. Its all to do with a key, a lock and a door. He who hears the message and adheres to it, the message of goodwill he will overcome.

That's what I see as the promise to the Abners church and its branches.

Note the, "I make a Pillar in the temple" would that be a reference to the Kabba stone, "I make a pillar in the temple". Is that a hint.?? Is there a duality, in connection to Eden of Cyprus, a pillar in the temple the acropolis Hill could that be the key to the lock, The ruins and what is found on the Acropolis Hill. A duality connection.

There could be many clues here, and those who overcome are the ones who overcome the voice of division and warfare. The road is peace and goodwill and there is a very big promise here for Islam and those who follow and adhere to the truth which is in the Quran and the Early Jesus gospel of the Eastern Branch, the Kingdom of Heaven Paradise Gospel. Same message.

I think that is very interesting.

 

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12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.




I find allot in this, Like a ritual that will be replaced by a new city and new temple that no one has to leave. The city is lowered and the knowledge that new city extends will be a new book that will have a new name. If this is the case, it would fulfill the Quran prophecy that it will be replaced by a new book from heaven overnight. But in a positive light? Not in a light of disaster.

I would also like to point out the following

 

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I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,




Its like today, who is today, pointing fingers at the Jews with accusations and threats. These same threats is what Gods sees as lies, written in the books directly, I'm not making this up its in black and white. . You can work that one for yourself. But then It does suggest that they who are pointing the finger and are motivated with hearts of hate in Gods name will be humbled and they are associated with the church of Satan. These are the divisive and violent people who destroy willingly, innocent people in the name of Gods name, all sides.

food for thought.

regards
sevens

Edited by sevens on 09/10/06 02:31 AM.


Sorry I'm confused. I did pick up his argument and demonstrated that it could of been an anomaly by using 2 different types of Software where I found inconsistency in Nikas pictures to the area.

What I mean by scripts is all the information of all the cultures in the past, particularly the BC books and religious books of all cultures. Each culture has a piece of the puzzle. They all have the same story about the place but suited to ones culture at the time.

Anyway you know my website, check it our more fully there could be some clues there and see if it may relates to Malta instead.

Anyway I gave you a couple of leads regarding Malta and its history. Also I did say that he should get some proper surveys of the place of available. Im not against the idea, we have established old coastline pictures that look compelling. What to say another civilisation lived near Malta at that time of Eden 34,000 years before the deluge which could of been an outpost of Atlantis of Cyprus?? Nothing wrong with that idea but more information and research has to be gathered.

Anyway what wrong with the Urantia Book, its a good book, pity people don't take the time to research it and read it fully with out all the opinions and no research. Maybe if they did read it, it may lead then to a great discovery that would have more significance than just tourism.

Who knows it could change the world. You just never know about life and the course it takes in this area.

regards
sevens

[ 09-10-2006, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


How do you explain the theory in detail using science and data. Convincing argument on what?? Where is the science? Where is the scripts and not just Plato as this place goes beyond the writings of Plato.

You cant rely on Google alone, Google says its there and worldwind says its not. Although I did say that I wouldn't be surprised that there are ruins under the water near Malta but not in the position that Nikas says I don't know as one program says one thing and another program says something different.

So there you go confusion already. Although he did highlight the Sicilian land bridge submergence which is completely evident by observing what I think is the old coastline and what appears to be water gouging in the vast waterways of the land bridge. Also there is hard evidence of survey done of the coast of Southern France in an submerged river canyon. Basically what they proved that the med was way lower than today because of the Gilbraltor dam.

But what Nikas has found is either a old canyon of an old river system or nothing. Some search would have done to see if anything lays there and a proper study would have to be done using the latest bathy data of the area, if it exists.

Also I did place some information that was a hint to the ancient ruins in Malta, a civilisation that goes back over 7000 years ago that settled near present day Carthage. This is before the Phoenicians and are related to the Egyptians in my view. Also Italian archaeologists found evidence of ancient ruins in Tunisia but that's all I know. This could be a reflection of that ancient civilisation.

Here is the link of ancient river canyons of Sth France.
Ancient River canyons of France

At the end of the day a survey has to done of the area that Nikas is interested in to see if manmade ruins lay there.


regards
sevens

[ 09-10-2006, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


How do you explain the theory in detail using science and data. Convincing argument on what?? Where is the science? Where is the scripts and not just Plato as this place goes beyond the writings of Plato.

You cant rely on Google alone, Google says its there and world wind says its not. Although I did say that I wouldn't be surprised that there are ruins under the water near Malta but not in the position that Nikas says I don't know as one program says one thing and another program says something different.

So there you go confusion already. Although he did highlight the Sicilian land bridge submergence which is completely evident by observing what I think is the old coastline and what appears to be water gouging in the vast waterways of the land bridge. Also there is hard evidence of survey done of the coast of Southern France in an submerged river canyon. Basically what they proved that the med was way lower than today because of the Gilbraltor dam.

But what Nikas has found is either a old canyon of an old river system or nothing. Some search would have done to see if anything lays there and a proper study would have to be done using the latest bathy data of the area, if it exists.

Also I did place some information that was a hint to the ancient ruins in Malta, a civilisation that goes back over 7000 years ago that settled near present day Carthage. This is before the Phoenicians and are related to the Egyptians in my view. Also Italian archaeologists found evidence of ancient ruins in Tunisia but that's all I know. This could be a reflection of that ancient civilisation.

Here is the link of ancient river canyons of Sth France.
Ancient River canyons of France

At the end of the day a survey has to done of the area that Nikas is interested in to see if manmade ruins lay there.


regards
sevens

[ 09-10-2006, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


I really liked Massoud, I saw a documentary on him before he got killed and I really liked him. I thought he a good man, its a pty that he was murdered.

I get the feeling that Osama is loosing his power base and influence, I think the peace loving Muslims are just sick of the guy bringing everyone down to this low level of existence not to mention religion at large. Religion has never been at its lowest ebb.

One day I hope it improves. Many people just don't have faith anymore and are losing confidence in everything even the future.

regards
sevens


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I really liked Massoud, I saw a documentary on him before he got killed. What a shame. I thought he a good man, its a pity that he was murdered.

I get the feeling that Osama is loosing his power base and influence, I think the peace loving Muslims are just sick of the guy bringing everyone down to this low level of existence not to mention religion at large. Religion has never been at its lowest ebb. I personally feel that when people start to see things in proper prospective in light of everything they will look at Osama and think again. Actually those people will abandon him, slowly but surely as the truth reveals itself more and more. They will abandon him and go home to help there families, the the great priority, I can feel it. I can also feel the tide of change happening in his reality. Very much as a better alternative will arise which brings us to the future.

One day I hope it improves. Many people just don't have faith anymore and are losing confidence in everything even the future.

Well one thing for sure the scribes who counted the towers that fell and who are hiding are identified in the Bible will be accountable for there actions. undoubtedly!

Its all there in black and white and actually they link those evil terrorist actions with the Synagogue of Satan as mentioned in revelation 3, Its in the blessings of the Church of Philadelphia, the clue lays there.

regards
sevens


no worries brig, III take it easy.

Anyway here is some info in point form things that make Cyprus Atlantis and Eden from the clues left behind by Plato, in my view. Cyprus is a fulfilment of these clues and was mentioned in all the books of religion in all cultures in around the Med.

http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/press_blueprint.htm

regards
sevens



Hi my name is Sevens.

I think we are in the midst of prophecy fulfilling itself right now.

Over the last years I have conducted a simple search for Eden in all the religious book of all one God religions regardless of doctrine.

I think there is a planetary judgement that real close and it all has to do with the Garden of Eden discovered of Cyprus. As mentioned in the Rev 3 in the blessings of Philadelphia being expressed as the Key of David, When that key is realized through the realisation of it then the the process begins.

I feel that judgement timing process follows the 10 week process explained in the Book of Enoch that no one reads. Also all the time markers and the sevens pattern all conjunct on the day of 911. However III put 3 days on top of that as 3 days is important. The best advise is chill, relax and do good unto others and connect with God in your own way that you know connects. This has nothing to do with doctrine or dogma nor religions (however true (personal) religion helps very much) as man has to speak for himself and his motivations. Got nothing to do with religious exclusivity or being apart of the club. It has nothing to do with that. Its just straight forward judgement affects all man, regardless.

I really think it has to with the discovery of what lays on toop of the Acropolis Hill, there will be some undeniable evidencr there. I feel its the key of David and soon the door will be open and then shut tight, just as quick as it opened, no man will be able to open it after its closed through pray, no man. When is done, its done. those left behind will have their problems. As much will be withdrawn during the earth changes that is scheduled for this planet. So keep you eye on Eden and see what develops there. I reckon its the big sign. No Bull!

Any If I'm wrong, no worries sorry, however I feel I should share this in case its right.

Anyway here is my site where I compiled all my research

[url]http://www.dalamatiacity.com[/url]


all the best
sevens
see what happens eh!

Its a real problem when religion is mixed with state, look at the problems that come out of it. Maybe religion should just stick to spirituality in the promotion of good works and raising top of the line leaders rather than those who would rather stupid religious war, and self vain gloriousness with violence.

Anyway the religious leaders who intend on destroying the world for his own ends is just stupid and blinded.

regards
sevens


5. LESSONS FROM THE CROSS

The cross of Jesus portrays the full measure of the supreme devotion of the true shepherd for even the unworthy members of his flock. It forever places

It might be a little long but its very interesting.

 
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    all relations between God and man upon the family basis. God is the Father; man is his son. Love, the love of a father for his son, becomes the central truth in the universe relations of Creator and creature--

    not the justice of a king which seeks satisfaction in the sufferings and punishment of the evil-doing subject.

    The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival. Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative. Jesus' death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice--mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all weakness resulting therefrom.

    Jesus brought a new method of living to Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness. The Master's love implies rehabilitation, eternal survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.

    Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation. The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart, forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.

    The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion. In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the cross of a real and intense mortal existence. The real value of the cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy.

    On millions of inhabited worlds, tens of trillions of evolving creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God's laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of man.

    The triumph of the death on the cross is all summed up in the spirit of Jesus' attitude toward those who assailed him. He made the cross an eternal symbol of the triumph of love over hate and the victory of truth over evil when he prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." That devotion of love was contagious throughout a vast universe; the disciples caught it from their Master. The very first teacher of his gospel who was called upon to lay down his life in this service, said, as they stoned him to death, "Lay not this sin to their charge."

    The cross makes a supreme appeal to the best in man because it discloses one who was willing to lay down his life in the service of his fellow men. Greater

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    love no man can have than this: that he would be willing to lay down his life for his friends--and Jesus had such a love that he was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, a love greater than any which had hitherto been known on earth.

    On other worlds, as well as on Urantia, this sublime spectacle of the death of the human Jesus on the cross of Golgotha has stirred the emotions of mortals, while it has aroused the highest devotion of the angels.

    The cross is that high symbol of sacred service, the devotion of one's life to the welfare and salvation of one's fellows. The cross is not the symbol of the sacrifice of the innocent Son of God in the place of guilty sinners and in order to appease the wrath of an offended God, but it does stand forever, on earth and throughout a vast universe, as a sacred symbol of the good bestowing themselves upon the evil and thereby saving them by this very devotion of love. The cross does stand as the token of the highest form of unselfish service, the supreme devotion of the full bestowal of a righteous life in the service of wholehearted ministry, even in death, the death of the cross. And the very sight of this great symbol of the bestowal life of Jesus truly inspires all of us to want to go and do likewise.

    When thinking men and women look upon Jesus as he offers up his life on the cross, they will hardly again permit themselves to complain at even the severest hardships of life, much less at petty harassments and their many purely fictitious grievances.

    His life was so glorious and his death so triumphant that we are all enticed to a willingness to share both. There is true drawing power in the whole bestowal of Michael, from the days of his youth to this overwhelming spectacle of his death on the cross.

    Make sure, then, that when you view the cross as a revelation of God, you do not look with the eyes of the primitive man nor with the viewpoint of the later barbarian, both of whom regarded God as a relentless Sovereign of stern justice and rigid law-enforcement. Rather, make sure that you see in the cross the final manifestation of the love and devotion of Jesus to his life mission of bestowal upon the mortal races of his vast universe. See in the death of the Son of Man the climax of the unfolding of the Father's divine love for his sons of the mortal spheres. The cross thus portrays the devotion of willing affection and the bestowal of voluntary salvation upon those who are willing to receive such gifts and devotion. There was nothing in the cross which the Father required--only that which Jesus so willingly gave, and which he refused to avoid.

    If man cannot otherwise appreciate Jesus and understand the meaning of his bestowal on earth, he can at least comprehend the fellowship of his mortal sufferings. No man can ever fear that the Creator does not know the nature or extent of his temporal afflictions.

    We know that the death on the cross was not to effect man's reconciliation to God but to stimulate man's realization of the Father's eternal love and his Son's unending mercy, and to broadcast these universal truths to a whole universe.


atif Ahmed

Thank you Atif Ahmed for your great blessings of Allah may he bless you and the research you did on Ibn Abbas. Why I was so intrigued by the surname is that surname is in my linage. I was always intuited by the surname and its unusually rare, I think. I thought it was Armenian but I'm starting to think its Arabian. I'm amazed that the family came from Quraish and again you have Ur connection as in the Quran and Urantia, like a triple parallel connection in sound. I suppose what this search becomes is of perhaps one origins. I don't know! I was always curious about that element in name.

But anyway about the Kabba stone I respect your rituals about it, I understand the personal symbolism in action and dedication. No problem, since I have journeyed the Quran and the all the other books I have learnt to appreciate all religions more having delved into there books. It has been a big blessing and revelation for me. I appreciate all the solid connections in all the religions.

I'm not sure whether I can share this but it comes out of revelations 3 and it about the blessing of the Church of Philadelphia that is directly connected to the 70 disciples who had there headquarters in Philadelphia. The Leader of the Church was called Abner or St Addai or Akbar. Personal I feel Ab or Abba or Abbas in connected with Abner, somehow.

In essence there was a disagreement in ideas of God between Abner and Paul which manifested over time through each religion and is exactly what we see today. Understandable. However I believe this time now was foreseen in prophecy by John on Patmos. I feel strongly, that much of Quran that I have read has many commonalities with Abner's ideas being a purest form and was completely accepted by Jesus as Abner was in direct communication with Abner. Leader of the 70. I believe the Quran as compiled by Mohammed absorbed very much the thoughts of Abner. So I feel this blessing is for the religions that contain the elements of the Abnarian ideas. Which the Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of mankind which I believe is the essential belief of the Quran. In essence. Also the Abnerian ideas was contained in the Eastern of Christianity, however very much of the church was absorbed into the Catholic ideas. But very much of the earlier thought were directly connected to Abner's ideas.

Here is an extract Revelation 3
 

Revelation 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
 

(The Church of philadelphia, The Abneraian concepts of God, all religions that are dedicated to this idea. Regardless of name The key of David in my mind is the discovery of Eden and the message and unifying force it has on the scriptures of all religions. Its a key which is knowledge and understanding that unlocks the lock which is the discovery, the physical aspect of it.. The key and lock is connected to a door or an opportunity that is prophesied like rapture or something.

When the mystery is realised, it is then activated, the mystery of mankind. When its activated the mystery will not stop, no man can stop it and when the door closes, no man will be able to open the door, the door is open but can shut at anytime. God understands that Church of Philadelphia is weakened to a degree But however in light of the trials, believers have kept true in there pursuit for God and have not denied his name. In essence that would go for both Christian and Islam. No one denies God and do love him in there way.)

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 

(Im not sure how you take that but I see this simply as division created through finger pointing over racial and religious ways. All parties are guilty of this, no matter who, We all know that. I believe that all violent encouragement on those grounds is a kin to the works of Satan dividing people over religious grounds and must consider the truth in that.)

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
 

(However for those who keep to the right path of patience and good works as best they can will be blessed and crown is awaiting for you. No doubt about it . Temptation is that of division, no matter the spiritual enticements. Paradise forbids violence in the heavens and would prefer that attitude on Earth and particularly of the Spiritual brotherhood of man.)

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

(Wow! a new temple. To me a new pillar in the temple relates directly to the Kabba stone and directly to Islam as foreseen. That a new temple will come down from heaven that one could stay in it for all times, in the future. Essentially all religious books will be refined by this event, good for all religions. Also this new and expanded truth of God will be written in the minds of all who will study it, being directly from God. Also in the Quran it does speak of things suddenly ending. I think that is true but it will be positive and all who have faith will be very happy as we enter into the new world.)

I think this blessing is directed towards the followers of the Quran and the early Christian Church of Abner in Philadelphia, who was the leader of the 70.

I don't think there is anything to fear for those who have faith. When the event happens like judgment day, one day, those with faith and know truth, beauty and goodness and respect the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of mankind will stand tall in all religions of faith.

regards
sevens


Mike 1234

 
  • I do believe that he is in our island for the oil. I don’t know how true that is but if it’s true we going to kick his butt



I must say you are nuts and really scummy thinking like this in this typical spirit of suspicion and just utter rubbish. Another personal cheap shot!

If that's what you think no wonder there is war all about.

Oil!! How absurd that sounds. Grow up man. Get with it! Who wants that black crap oil anyway, look at how its destroying the planet. Who wants that crap. We don't want it, it only the profiteers that desire it, that's all. Why don't we use water instead for fuel. The whole planet would rather water as fuel source that oil crap! You can have it for buck as Im concerned.

sevens

[ 09-11-2006, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


 
Hi

I would like say that I really was impressed with the following excerpt that was posted in the above. To me, I interpret this as the lord commanding all of us, for all tribes of the planet to come to get to know each other better in understanding.

Meaning that we have to learn to understand each other more fully which includes religion. Like researching each others information in the hope of learning and living with next to each other with greater goodwill. I thought the following was profound and demonstrates that great truth does exist in all the books including new ones from God.

[B][INDENT][INDENT]"O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, [COLOR="DarkRed"]so that you might come to know one another." [/COLOR](The Dwellings 49:13)[/INDENT][/INDENT][/B]

Whilst everyone is posting excerpts from what they hold dear to them I thought I would post this. This comes from the Urantia Book, its directly from Jesus and its part of the expanded message for mankind that comes from the Garden of Eden, the first Garden. Its picks no sides in this argument but does I feel, endorse the latter scripture of The Dwellings. I must read that Book, The Dwellings. Its sounds intriguing!

Anyway here are the excerpts and is good for all of us.

[INDENT][INDENT]The future of Urantia will doubtless be characterized by the appearance of teachers of religious truth--[B]the Fatherhood of God and the fraternity of all creatures. But it is to be hoped that the ardent and sincere efforts of these future prophets will be directed less toward the strengthening of interreligious barriers and more toward the augmentation of the religious brotherhood of spiritual worship among the many followers of the differing intellectual theologies which so characterize Urantia of Satania.[/B] [/INDENT][/INDENT]

In the following has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. Its all to do with religions of the world, No one here is pointing any fingers except at ourselves through self reflection and personal study. I think all religions of the world have to review themselves particularly in light of Eden which I believe is Key of the of the Lock that opens the Door through the enlightenment of God for the future. Like the Pillar in the Temple ( I wonder if there is a stone pillar within the compound of the old temple on top of the Acropolis Hill?) These words I believe are representative of the Paradise as it is and is part of the message from physical Eden or Paradise, the great discovery. Maybe we may witness the power of God through discovery of our origins. A revelatory revelation, sounds like a far better path than spiritual violence.

Its good for everyone and offers much hope.


[INDENT][INDENT]line 158: The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man. [B]It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of theological arrogance than of certainty of faith.[/B] [B][COLOR="darkred"]There is not a Urantia religion that could not profitably study and assimilate the best of the truths contained in every other faith, for all contain truth. Religionists would do better to borrow the best in their neighbors' living spiritual faith rather than to denounce the worst in their lingering superstitions and outworn rituals.[/COLOR][/B] [/INDENT][/INDENT]

Anyway I believe there is good and a kind solid message with good correction and is endorsed by the books as we have seen in the Dwellings scripture.

All the best everyone

Ahoy
sevens

the Sicilian landbridge
 

Yes Cat youre a real champ. A real mocker, what the point your making. Put something down.


By the way does any body know the sea level depth of the Sicilian Landbridge currently using data. Also is there a chart with approximate sea levels of the past 40,000 years in increments? until today. I can find anything on the web.

Not much info I can find.

Ok I found this graph from Wikipedia. Looks like this link says that 9000 years ago it was 20m more shallow thats only around 60ft, however around 20,000 years ago it was about 140m more shallow thats around 420ft. So if the current depth of the submerged sicilian landbidge is below 420 then the theory doesnt stack up I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise


Around 34,000 the dam broke and just flooded the place.

I was thinking if the ruins of Malta that lays in 60 ft below sea level then that would point to the civilisation of Cathage the Andites.

What are the depths of the ruins of Malta?

regards
sevens

[ 09-12-2006, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Mike

Give it a break will you.

I replied with some links that should be explored I was also interested in the depth of the ruins of Malta.

Regarding all the other stuff in your post, Whatever you think, the forum is only database of replies, big deal. I did mention that near the link.

Anyway your pretty personal guy speaking silly thing personalizing everything don't worry about it man. I must admit I probably didn't help but anyway, I don't think Sarmast is interested in oil except for the ruins and lays there.

I was thinking would you have any idea on the depth of the submerged land bridge, any idea i cant find anything?

regards
sevens


Hi I found this information on the Sicilian Straits thats why they call it apparently. Im not sure if it relates to depth

 
  • CENOZOIC ERA;EUROPE;GEOLOGIC AGES;ITALY;MESOZOIC ERA;ROCKS;SURVEYS;WESTERN EUROPE
    Description/

    The physical divisions of the Mediterranean given above hold good in describing the form of the sea-bed. The western Mediterranean is cut off by a bank crossing the narrow strait between Sicily and Cape Bon, usually known as the Adventure Bank, on which the depth is nowhere 200 fathoms. The mean depth of the western basin is estimated at 881 fathoms, and the deepest sounding recorded is 2040 fathoms. In the eastern Mediterranean the mean depth is nearly the same as in the western basin. The Sicilian-Ionian basin has a mean depth of 885 fathoms, and the Levant basin, 793 fathoms. Deep water is found close up to the coast of Sicily, Greece, Crete and the edge of the African plateau.

    The steepest slope observed occurs off the island of Sapienza, near Navarino, where 1720 fathoms has been obtained only *_o miles from land. In 1897 the ship " Washington " obtained depths of 2220 fathoms in the middle of the eastern Mediterranean; and the Austrian expeditions in the " Pola " discovered in the " Pola Deep " (35° 44' N., 21° 45' E.), south-west of Cape



Here is the best I could find so far

http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/correction/edit?locale=en&content_id=44239

Fathom to feet converter

http://www.boatsafe.com/tools/meter.htm

Im not convinced it tells me the depth of the Sicilian Straits

Here is an excerpt from astudy that was done upto 800 meteres assuming its quite deep in some areas around siciliy

 

  • Biological information on the demersal resources of the Strait of Sicily collected during the
    trawl surveys carried out routinely in the Strait since 1985 is presented. Data concern bottoms
    of 10 m down to 800 m depth.


It sounds like the depth around the landbridge is quite deep deeper than 120M.

regards
sevens

[ 09-12-2006, 04:41 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi No worries I went to the link the links they were good.

But still according to the wikipedia link 22,000 years ago the sea levels were generally 130 Meters lower. Sure at that time Malta would of been larger definitely. However, it would been surrounded by water and cut of from the mainland with around 70 meters difference, if we are assuming the straits are 200M. That's seems to deep to create mud, that's around 420ft or 128m That's still pretty deep generally.

However if you did an expedition and discovered underwater ruins and calculating there depth would give you the time period of civilisation.

If the ruins are 50 - 60 ft or so that would equate to around 5000BC or so that would be around the time of the Andites near Carthage. The deeper you go and discover, the older the civilisation would be perhaps.

What I think happened is around 34,000 BC the dam broke and submerged the Sicilian land bridge. Malta, stood firm but allot larger then. Everything washed away, Atlantis downstream was submerged as well. And being at a lower elevation would of copped a hiding with all that gravity.

Anyway there going to be down there soon, they should have all the right equipment to let us know what's there.

Ah! see what happens!

By the way I took the forum database down waste of space.

regards
Sevens

[ 09-12-2006, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi Malik,

I really enjoyed this beautiful description to me it has symbolism also, in addition to Paradise. The Hidden Pearl, the Jewl in the Crown.


The Hidden Pearls (extract)


Pearls beautiful manifestations of Allah’s design and creation are born and found in the depths of the ocean within the protection of an oyster shell. Many divers risk their lives to attain these jewels, their shine unmarred, hidden away from human touch & sight. They are lessons in nature for heedful eyes. Have we ever wondered why pearls, the purest and whitest of natural jewels are not found floating on the surface of the ocean for all to see? Have we pondered why all beautiful things are hidden, the pomegranate seeds in their peel white coconut in a coarse shell, diamonds in a mine? And the most beautiful Being beyond our imaginations Allah Ta’ala . Among his best creation, the human being, Allah chose this honour for a woman in order to preserve, protect and purify her beauty and to make it eternal in paradise.

So true in many ways, very nice words and has many meanings of truth.

regards
sevens

 


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Hi Sameera.

I really enjoyed you post of your scriptures. I thought that contained so much wisdom and is extremely true.

I really liked that ones you selected.

I think it only demonstrates the great Beauty contained within the The Quran. See how religion can attract people through its sublime and supernal truth contained, I find that's a far better path and the way to go.

Anyway, I again enjoyed those beautiful scripture. Do have anymore?

Impress mankind and other spiritual brothers of other paths to God of/in Paradise.

regards
sevens

Hi PL

I really enjoyed your post, I thought it was interesting. I'm visualising what your saying. What has been raised about the Sicilian land bridge and Malta is of quite good import. I think the study of the land bridge and Malta gives us a good understanding of Atlantis in Cyprus.

I noticed when looking at the Maps that Malta is surrounded by deep water that which if it was 140 meters lower Malta would still be small island, just a little larger surrounded by deep sea water and was probably a commercial centre of the ancients times just like Atlantis Cyprus, maybe they are related as you say. Must be explored. They were probably regarded as twins. There is said to be ruins 80 meters deep close to the island. That says something but again I wish somebody took pictures as per usual if they saw them.

However before the flood the basin waters where much lower and what seems to me is that the Sicilian Land bridge was perhaps larger than what we think. Off course one needs proper data but perhaps to research the case of Malta in connection to Atlantis is thought provoking.

Perhaps before the Gibraltar break Malta was an island on the land bridge, looking at the gouging effect. Malta could of been within a lake or a salt lake who knows. But the coast line would of been much further away by perhaps hundreds of miles by what we see in the images. Maybe there was access through a river.

Another thing, Atlantis being at a lower elevation would of experienced much down force of the differences in the elevation of both places. It would of been a huge Tsunami that impacted on Atlantis/Eden.

Anyway food for thought, I thought the images where quite outstanding and quite compelling.

 

It really needs a survey for the ruins if they exist, the idea would be dependent on what is found and proven

All the best.

regards
sevens
 


Hey I don't know if this common ground. I just saw documentary on the Electric car they built in the 80s by General motors which they canned of course.

But apparently there are some of those models around that run on about 2 dollars of electricity per month. Apparently the ecar enthusiasts in California have developed a electric engines that outstrip normally aspirated cars even at the drag races and now can last for about 500km.

That's what we should have these type of cars but because there were to good they suppressed the technology to maintain control, make money and destroy the earth in the meantime.

They are responsible of the devastation we have on this planet. Squarely, just an clear act of the selfishness we have to live with and suffer with, they should be all sacked for there environmental crimes done blatantly and no one can do anything about, we are at there mercy and mankind is so weakened by these people. No one can do anything about it.

By they way General Motors proclaimed they have just developed a hydrogen car converting water to energy on demand. What a ploy they say it will take 10 years to get on the road. What a whole of crap when there is a guy who lives down the road from me who developed this technology over 20 years ago. Just down the road and had been driving for free for years. And you General Motors declaring this rubbish now and all this 10 year in the future propaganda. Crap and lies.

They all say the same thing, like in Russia they have been killing bacteria that we can even approach in the Western world. But In Russia they kill untreatable bacteria with Phage, its a specific virus that kills specific bacteria and look at the western world being led along the garden path with antibiotics particularly in light of a simple treatment already available for over 30 years or more.

The Russians get there phage from there local polluted river. That's it how simple and inexpensive it is using nature. What a testament that is, especially when we have all this propaganda in the west and reject easy treatments because there is no money in it. The ugliness of this planet guided by un spiritual people.

This planet is full of lies and deceit.

The whole world is full of hypocrisy and a boardrooms full of arseholes, virtually the whole lot them, they all speak the same rubbish and crap. The robots for relentless profit and dragging out technology regardless of the destruction currently caused by the love of profit.

Even if it was good for mankind! They'll destroy it.

I would suggest forming a co-operative of like minded people, convert cars into Electric cars and use for short trips. As the technology becomes better why not upgrade.

Why not be a cooperative of the people and the Ecar, a non profit scenario. Where it becomes of the people, for the people like the US was supposed to be. Not for the money hungry guy who just wants to control your life and give no care to the planet.

Be a cooperative for the future. Who wants that black crap it just gives us cancer. Its only the money people that want it, not the planet.


I think that all the car companies and Oil companies should pay a penalty of the cause of destruction they wrought on this planet and for there crimes in murdering creative people in technology of the past and present. They present all this hype with Hydrogen technology using technology that was either bought out and they simply leaned on the person.

They knew all this technology all along for years and look at them know trying to claim the savour attitude especially in light of the blood that has been spilt over this technology.

I give all respect to those creative people that worked on there own trying to pursue technology that would be good for the planet.

But for those who destroyed them and there quest through fear, they get no blessings, nor praise nothing because they don't deserve anything for there actions.

regards
sevens
 


Nour of Islam,

Thank you, in the next 2 weeks when I have a little more time I would like to read the Book of Dwellings. I'm not sure whether the Book of Dwellings is in English, I'm not sure.

I myself are exploring the texts of Islam so its a journey for me to. But I must say it does parallel with much of my research into religion and Eden or Paradise (Submerged of Cyprus). Also thanks for being tolerant of me in light of my views and since I come from a different persuasion but not uncommon nor distant to what I read in the Quran. That's for sure.

The link you request was about the Book of Dwelling or was it about The Urantia Book? Now I'm not sure!

I am really inspired since coming here and particularly that you have been patient with me. Your patience is my rewards in discovering truth in the Quran. Good on ya! This is far better sharing knowledge and friendship than going to war. This is smart and intelligence way that God loves the peaceful way pursuant of truth.

This is what makes man strong in brotherhood of love for another. I just hope we can all bring a little sense in this world we no one has to loose their life. Its is possible, God has faith in the brotherhood of man being an extension of himself to bring this about in truth.

All the best
regards
sevens

I was a pissed off when I wrote this after seeing the documentary of the Ecar!

Hey I don't know if this common ground. I just saw a documentary on the Electric car they built in the 80s by General motors which they canned of course.

But apparently there are some of those models around that run on about 2 dollars of electricity per month. Apparently the ecar enthusiasts in California have developed a electric engines that outstrip normally aspirated cars even at the drag races and now can last for about 500km.

That's what we should have these type of cars but because there were to good they suppressed the technology to maintain control, make money and destroy the earth in the meantime.

They are responsible of the devastation we have on this planet. Squarely, just an clear act of the selfishness we have to live with and suffer with, they should be all sacked for there environmental crimes, done blatantly and no one can do anything about it, we are at there mercy and mankind is so weakened by these people. No one can do anything about it because the own through debt, everything. Its a 3 way split of power between Government, the Bank(money created out of nothing) Paramceuticals, and energy companies oh and the stockmarket. Like a club and above all. Look at the effects war, pollution, homelessness, destruction of the environment. unrest, porr government, no leadership, its a bad refelction of the spirit.

By they way General Motors proclaimed they have just developed a hydrogen car converting water to energy on demand. What a ploy they say it will take 10 years to get on the road. What a whole of crap when there is a guy who lives down the road from me who developed this technology over 20 years ago. Just down the road and had been driving for free for years. And you General Motors declaring this rubbish now and all this 10 year in the future propaganda. Crap and lies.

They all say the same thing, like in Russia they have been killing bacteria that we can even approach in the Western world. But In Russia they kill untreatable bacteria with Phage, its a specific virus that kills specific bacteria and look at the western world being led along the garden path with antibiotics particularly in light of a simple treatment already available for over 30 years or more.

The Russians get there phage from there local polluted river. That's it how simple and inexpensive it is using nature. What a testament that is, especially when we have all this propaganda in the west and reject easy treatments because there is no money in it. The ugliness of this planet guided by un spiritual people.

This planet is full of lies and deceit.

The whole world is full of hypocrisy and a boardrooms full of arseholes, virtually the whole lot of them, they all speak the same rubbish and crap. The robots for relentless profit and dragging out technology regardless of the destruction currently caused by the love of profit.

Even if it was good for mankind! They'll destroy it, if there is no money in it or if its a threat to the bottomline. That's it, cold-hearted, ruthless products out of our schools.

I would suggest forming a co-operative of like minded people, convert cars into Electric cars and use for short trips. As the technology becomes better why not upgrade.

Why not be a cooperative of the people and the Ecar, a non profit scenario. Where it becomes of the people, for the people like the US was supposed to be. Not for the money hungry guy who just wants to control your life and give no care to the planet.

Be a cooperative for the future. Who wants that black crap it just gives us cancer. Its only the money people that want it, not the planet.


I think that all the car companies and Oil companies should pay a penalty of the cause of destruction they wrought on this planet and for there crimes in murdering creative people in technology of the past and present. They present all this hype with Hydrogen technology using technology that was either bought out and they simply leaned on the person.

They knew all this technology all along for years and look at them know trying to claim the savour attitude especially in light of the blood that has been spilt over this technology.

I give all respect to those creative people that worked on there own trying to pursue technology that would be good for the planet.

But for those who destroyed them and there quest through fear, they get no blessings, nor praise nothing because they don't deserve anything for there actions.

regards
sevens


Hi Brig.

I was a little pissed and still am, according to this documentary apparently the people who own these Ecars are very happy, although the charge was an issue but new developments have taken the Electric car to a new level that is far superior than fuel. Even beats the drag cars as I saw in power and speed.

What really gets me is that so many Hydrogen developers and innovators have died or just got murdered for there great inventions, the Fuel vaporiser is another case in point.

And now after all the bloodshed here you have perpetrators claiming Hydrogen as there own. Garbage, all they did was just intimidated the inventors and stole the technology. You know how these people think. There ruthless and haven't got a bone conscience. You wouldn't even invite these people into your house.

As I mentioned about the guy down the road, he can make trip to Sydney and back within 24 hrs on a litre of water. Also the government hassle him all the time and threats have been made by the relevant companies to, whats new.

And look at these automobile and oil companies just flogging the human race and then they have the Gaul to say its 10 years before its available. You and I know that's a big lie, they can do something if they wanted to now, they have leverage, technology and the money and power.

Gee now there talking about Methane another Greenhouse gas, another profit motivated decision. Eventually we will have to go to water. It obvious.

These car companies are all bad and society lets this happen because people are just sucked in by there deception and fear. People don't know any better.

I'm no commo but I think the free enterprise system is completely out of line and I think its unsustainable in its present form.

Plus I'm not sure if competitiveness is all that healthy, considering it breads a society of ruthlessness and heartlessness and that is the root problem of our society. Its the winner and loser society of self vain glory. Also, if it is the land of liberty why are so many people in jail over the smallest petty things. You know when you have been in Jail your life is stuffed in the winner/loser society. There is virtually no opportunity there after. That is so cruel.

Its almost like a breakdown and also explains why drugs are so prevalent because most people aren't happy and under enormous pressure and have no faith in the government who represent the loser/winner society, where law enforcement or the police force is just like a paramilitary operation of social control to the extreme.

I just feel that our society is real trouble in some ways and its very under pinning will falter particularly in spirit. The banks are responsible for this in the main through charm of ego and debt, the ultimate power perception over all. Money, the stuff banks made out of nothing, absolutely nothing and who pays the price for this you do! the planet pays for it and our future generations, the ultimate price.

regards
sevens

[ 09-13-2006, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Well I have no doubt that Cyprus is Atlantis I don't think its Malta at all. You're really speaking of a later time frame.

Where talking about 38,000 years ago. Even before those ruins of the Maltese coast were even made.. Yes even before that time of perhaps 15,000-22,000 its still post Gibraltar break, post flood,

Plus you have all the books of scripture from all cultures that left there mark concerning this place which points to the place and the knowledge is within all cultures of the past, Even in the Urantia Book, the latest presentation of the Gods. We are talking the land of the Gods aren't we, The Gods of Atlantis and Eden. the same place and then you have this latest presentation leading us to physical proof. Says much more than Plato only and not to mention any mystery that surrounds this place concerning today and any message that he holds for us today.

Looking at just Plato (600BC) only and trying to tie it down through interpretations of a language that was never used 38,000 years ago to me makes no sense. All writings of Plato are recent in comparison to what lays there.

The place is mentioned in the Book of the Dead(1500BC) as the Isle of Maati and not to mention the mention of Eden in all the other BC books. They all speak of Eden or isle of Maati near Egypt, Lebanon, and do speak of the deluge that happened, in there neck of the woods.

Doesn't speak about Malta at all concerning the deluge. I think the time frame you covering is recent.

Thinking Atlantis is Malta doesn't make sense as in those days when the dam was closed, the Med was a basin and was a completely different landscape where the pillars of Heracles never it existed. There where no pillars there. Any pillars would be a local monument which passed down in time through symbolism. Where not talking about 20, 000 years ago but 34,000 years, the time of the great deluge that was remembered and past down in time.

All nations since that time have tried to equate themselves to this time of Atlantis, the land of the Gods hoping they are a part of the Gene pool or something.

Anyway when the land bridge was up there was probably no Malta at all 38,000 years ago was just a mountain and it was not within a big sea. Even the Book of Jubilees speaks of 2 inland seas, Atil and Mauk and speaks of the destruction coming from the West, the submergence of the Sicilian Land bridge and mentions directly Eden and its sign for this time of discovery. Directly and relates to Noahs family and then you have Jesus in the 1st Book of the Adam saying, I will bring you back in the garden where there is light The Kingdom of Heaven. All related to Eden of Cyprus.

When Atlantis was up and dry it fulfils all of Plato's clues and consider the Volcano that rose probably 6000 ft above ground level and could be seen from Atlantis on a clear day. Atlantis as you can see, by all description and in prophecy and in history is in Cyrus which was connected by a isthmus to the mainland which had gates. 12 Gates.

These gates are the original Pillars of Heracles. The Gates of the Gods and they can be seen as described in the Urantia Book and Egyptian sources speak of them. Atlantis found of Cyprus is exactly what Plato described like Plato says, you have remnants of the city down there in to major areas that are obvious..

Sorry Nikas but I think your research is flawed with regard to the time frame. Your looking into after the flood time period. Well after the deluge of Atlantis, the first place.

Anyway the only way to find out is launch an expedition, go out there. to Malta, explore it. The ruins of Malta its 80 meters deep according to some reports. But that's still in the post Flood time era because that whole region was above water and was quite vast allot larger than what people think. Malta was landlocked and was not within an inland sea. It had nothing to do with Atlantis pre flood, no connection.

However way back in 38,000 years ago forward to 34,000, there developed early sea traffic but only within the Sea of Atil, an inland sea and perhaps there was a colony on the Land bridge on the coast but the coastline was further towards the East. Miles away from present Malta.

The Med wasn't even open or accessible, no pillars there. Its when people speak of the pillars of Gilbraltar and relate it to Atlantis in the west from there you know that there theory is in the wrong time frame in a different reality to the original truth.

Its like when you look at the images the first sea Mauk filled and reached it brim the Sicilian Land bridge bursted which is evident by the gouging makes and flowed in to the Sea of Atil (Atlantis) until the point of equilibrium.

You can see the point of burst of the land bridge, looking to the west.



The if you look in the following is river path flowing into the Sea of Atil until the point of equilibrium.





That's what I think

regards
sevens


So it only demonstrates that Atlantis Cyprus is way older than Malta certainly doesn't prove that Malta was the original place, the first place . However if you go beyond 22,000 years the sea water levels begin to rise further back in time so who knows its probably a strip of land that submerged and emerged over the time period of 34000 years. But initially it was dry and wet at different times. Anyway animals would of been landlocked by the deluge and that explains the animals on the islands, they were all connected together at one points which also proves the the Cyprus case.

The link sounds ok to me but still I feel it points to Cyprus and if Malta was populated then it could of a colony. Who knows. Also there is no volcano close to the city, No real highlands that jut into the sky with Mt Olympus on top, What about there legends of the Gods are there any? Like Aphrodite from Cyprus coming out of the sea. What about that one.

Its not a rectangular mountain but a saddle between a few mountain tops. But then are commonalities like those supposed ruins.

But you need the evidence, honestly they say someone they saw them. What does that say. Where is the proof.

It was a good interesting link.


 
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This evidence is in the form of tool artifacts typically associated with the Magdalenian culture, food remains (edible snails) excavated from the Cervus layers at Ghar Dalam, prehistoric cave art typical of a hunter-gatherer culture, and skeletal remains dated to be contemporary to the Cervus remains.



Man still seems very primitive in those times

 

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Excavations of the Pleistocene deposits in Malta have suggested the presence of two phases datable to the Late Middle Pleistocene (c.130,000-180,000 years ago) and the Late Upper Pleistocene (c.23,000-10,000 years ago). During the Late Middle Pleistocene the excavated fauna clearly suggest a wetter climate than that prevalent today. There is also evidence of a small lake in the west of Malta. However the presence of Laurel suggests a Mediterranean climate characterised by a hot dry season. The animals prevalent during this period included the dwarfed endemic hippopotamus and elephant species, besides extinct species of dormice, bats and avian remains. The deposits are generally referred to as Hippopotamus or Leithia cartei layer. No human remains or artefacts have been definitely associated with this stratigraphical layer.
 



Except when you get to this part 18,000 years ago there is evidence of man, makes sense to me but a connection cannot be made beyond 18,000 years.

 

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Ghar Dalam dated to c.18000 years ago (J.R. Anthrop. Inst., 1918, 1923) show the presence of human artefacts in association with elephant remains but with the obvious absence of pottery sherds (pottery sherds are generally associated with a neolithic culture). Trench I excavated in 1917 at the fourth layer in association with Cervus and elephant remains yielded “shells of the Murex trunculus and Cerithium vulgaris. These apparently had been broken for the purpose of extracting the mollusk” and “At the same level with these a fossil shark’s tooth .... was found; it had the point chipped off, apparently from a continuous hammering with it”. Trench II excavated in 1917 at the second layer in association with stag and vole remains, and one of the taurodont molars yielded: two sling-stones much more roughly worked than those met with in the foregoing layer, one flint and three obsidian scrapers; and three pieces of worked chert and flint. The Middle Trench excavated during 1918-20 at the botton of the 2nd layer (about 4 feet from the surface) in association with deer, hippopotamus and vole remains yielded two very roughly made sling-stones, two microlith chert/flint knives, and a (?)flint flake. In the layer below, a lava grinder and a regularly shaped piece of globigerina showing evidence of fire were also excavated. With the skeletal and cultural evidence excavated from Ghar Dalam, one must accept that as Despott concluded “we have now a proof that elephants lived in Malta contemporarily with man”.



I still maintain the Cyprus is the original place and will be vindicated with the next expedition. It seems like the Sicilian land strip was probably exposed allowing entry into Europe before the sea rose. But at the time before the deluge it was completely exposed and was separated by a larger land bride.

Hippos were in Eden it was were hippos came from hehe! The garden of creation!

regards
sevens


Well at the end of the day everyone has got there opinion which is fine. I personally think it stacks up and there is the evidence. And the leader of the expedition was led to the location. Actually wrote a book about predicting the location of the ruins beforehand and they were there.

You guy forget there are 2 major target areas.

I think he makes an excellent case, give me a break you've got all components in word and ruins there. No body here has come to that. It only theory upon theory,.....nothing rally just thoughts but nothing else.

Robert and all the books seem to make a very good case.

I think the Cyprus theory looks good. If feel people want to forget about those multiple ruins down there but its inconvenient.

regards
sevens


To be quite honest I just assumed that Mt Olympus was a volcano, sometime ago I did notice on a geological survey that the area of the location is igneous rock. Maybe the old Volcano wasn't active at that time. Your probably right. 6000 ft that was just my guess . I'm not sure of the height of the mountain and thinking it would of been one mile higher perhaps because of the deluge and rising sea levels.

I think it was an old volcano, wasn't it?. Well anyway, maybe if one had binoculars in that time they could see it. However the highlands and beautiful mountains does exist and can be clearly seen on the bathymetric maps.

although it talks bout the fire mountains in the west right where it river of lava follows into the sea to the west. That is mentioned in connection to Eden in my opinion. Also in the deluge it speaks of volcanic action. I also noticed that in the Book of Noah in his flood rendition of Eden.

Also there is evidence of springs on the acropolis Hill. Maybe they where hot which may indicates some volcanic action or activity close by perhaps.

regards
sevens

 


No problem, are you talking about the Urantia link or the excerpt I left.

Any look God does observe all and notes what's been rejected. That's ok people can reject it but is noted. Remember this is real big and there is message behind it and why people feel uncomfortable because its simply true and has a convicting element. That's why all this is rejected and was foreseen in prophecy.

By the way I was distressed about some of the content that some of the Hadiths contain regarding man and animals.

Is that true, if its is some cultural thing that occurred before Mohammed came.

I hope so.

regards
sevens


 


 
Hi Oasis

Thanks for your research there. I was intrigued and is quite interesting.

I found out a little more about the ruins of the Maltese coast. Looks like what they found is fairly recent and tells of earlier civilisation but in fairly recent times compared to Atlantis. Here is the link

http://www.maltadiscovery.com/v3/eng/research/index.html

Look like the ruins are about 7000 years old

 
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19 meters below sea level which seems to be man made.
The basic diameter of the top of the plateau a sort of platform is about a quarter of a sea mile.



Compared to Atlantis its recent history and does point even more the earlier civilisation of the region long before the Phoenicians.

Here is an Urantia reference that points directly to that early Andite civilisation that was in connected the Early Egyptian civilisation. Before the pharaohs. That also connects with the religious circle connections in Spain. Explains much of writings that point to this time that are relied upon but misread as Atlantis.

 

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By 5000 B.C. the three purest strains of Adam's descendants were in Sumeria, northern Europe, and Greece. The whole of Mesopotamia was being slowly deteriorated by the stream of mixed and darker races which filtered in from Arabia. And the coming of these inferior peoples contributed further to the scattering abroad of the biologic and cultural residue of the Andites. From all over the fertile crescent the more adventurous peoples poured westward to the islands. These migrants cultivated both grain and vegetables, and they brought domesticated animals with them.

About 5000 B.C. a mighty host of progressive Mesopotamians moved out of the Euphrates valley and settled upon the island of Cyprus; this civilization was wiped out about two thousand years subsequently by the barbarian hordes from the north.


line 130: Another great colony settled on the Mediterranean near the later site of Carthage. And from north Africa large numbers of Andites entered Spain and later mingled in Switzerland with their brethren who had earlier come to Italy from the Aegean Islands.



Below could be a connector to lower sea levels at that time. However at 19 meters lower. I don't think its possible that man could of crossed the Sicilian land bridge by foot. He must of sailed across. Food for thought on that one. But there is a record of earlier civilisation in the Urantia.

Actually the timing is spot on, regarding the sea levels. Obviously the stones circles found in Malta are co planar, similar to what may be on the Acropolis Hill. There might be a religious connection there. Also in those days you had Sun and seasonal worship, it was the religion of the day as reflected in the stone temples and there design. Quite a few parallels but at a very recent date compared to the Cyprus Atlantis.

And from north Africa large numbers of Andites entered Spain and later mingled in Switzerland

According to the Wikipedia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

At a sea level 20 meters lower that corresponds to 9000-8000 years.
all interesting

regards
sevens


Hi Oasis, How is it going?

I just believe in the literal account of the Urantia Book. The feeling I get why the revelators mentioned Carthage was perhaps to give us a better understanding of the culture of that time in the Sicilian land bridge area. Perhaps many people who interpret the scripts by relating Atlantis with Spain and Malta are really reading about this early Andite civilisation which affected Egypt as mentioned in the Urantia Book but in the recent past.

Maybe the Urantia Book is hinting to this. Maybe later historians and writers are really speaking of these people and finding and relating aspects of the Gods of Cyprus (38-34,000) in there interpretations of history and discovering previous nations trying to make a connection to the original Gods and adopting the legends in there history, trying to make a genetic connection to a Godly race. But in connection to this earlier race which was directly related to the inhabitants of Italy and to the North. Might explain the Blonde and brown hair in Northern Italy where in the South they are more darker person.

Personally I think the legend of Adam and Eve and the Atlantis Gods comes from the same place. There was only one and original land of the Gods which was Cyprus and the legends comes from this place and was intermingled with national history by all civilizations throughout time since those times. Its all evident in there books of religion, all the religions, there is always a connection to the original place.

Its all interesting and all good

Im jsut amazed how you have 3 co planar circles on top of a mountain sounds very similar to some research in the members section that relates 3 coplanar canals on the Cyprus Acropolis Hill.

Its quite fascinating how there is a connection. I am so impressed with the Malta ruins for sure, they are quite impressive and has all the signs of Atlantis/Eden in Cyprus. Its all the same coplanar circles in Cyprus handed down through legend through the Andite who also influenced and intermingled with the early Egyptians. Explains the religion and its reference to the land of the gods as in Maati.

This I think is the link to Cyprus in later times . Maybe the Urantia inserted this as a way to bridge the gap, making the connection and parallel to the land of the Gods the first place in Cyprus.



all the best
sevens



http://www.maltadiscovery.com/v3/eng/index.html

all the best
sevens


Here is a little something I found in the Quran about the Ad, The Andites or the descendants of the very early Atlanteans. The same Ad that eventually ended up in Malta.

In the following is a small reflection of the deluge of the destruction of the original homeland. Eden of Cyprus.


 

      069.006
      YUSUFALI: And the 'Ad, they were destroyed by a furious Wind, exceedingly violent;
      PICKTHAL: And as for A'ad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind,
      SHAKIR: And as to Ad, they were destroyed by a roaring, violent blast.



Here is a collection of the Ad material I found in the Quran

http://sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/ad_quran.htm

There might be some clues there that perhaps links in with the Cyprus Eden/Atlantis location.

regards
sevens


Hi HST

I would like to say that I found your post very interesting. I thought that was amazing and incredible discovery. I am absolutely impressed.

It was a great read.

I was also wandering in the The UB it speaks of the Cutites and the Sutites inhabiting the Garden until the deluge. I was wandering if you ever looked into it and found any links to any reference to a civilisation that connect with these names?

All the best
sevens
 


Hi HST

I would like to say that I found your post very interesting. I thought that was amazing and incredible discovery. I am absolutely impressed.

It was a great read.

I was also wandering in the The UB it speaks of the Cutites and the Sutites inhabiting the Garden until the deluge. I was wandering if you ever looked into it and found any links to any reference to a civilisation that connect with these names?

All the best
sevens




Hi Oasis

About the actual data of the Gibraltar I'm not exactly sure of the break in actual date and months but personally III just believe the Urantia account. Also I know there was some core samples that supports the case but more study has to be done. for sure.

Its all still evolving our ideas, thats why its been good to discuss Malta and other things to see if we can refine truth a little better based on results. Regarding Adam and Eve again I seek the Urantia truth, they weren't part of the Caligastia team. No way. Even though they where influenced by him and faltered, they never desired to be aligned with him.

I think many words and names have been brought down from history accompanied with Legend. I think much recent history and reflections of the past of the Gods have been intermingled with Empirical history. Just by looking at the word Ur. That combination of Ur is in most names, books, and places of significants, The Like Ur, Urantia, The Quran, Uran, Uraq, Ural mountains, The Ural sea. allot of Ur that originate from the middle east and was adopted by later and earlier races and combined the legend of the Gods as the own and also included the history within there own history to make the link to the Gods. Evry Civilisation has done that probably through design knowingly as that is a way of maintaining s resemblance of truth for a time in the future.

Similar to what we have today when people get this notion they are directly descendant from Atlantis and write books about there experience and links themselves to the Gods through there own imagination thus again we have another compile of Atlantis.

Suddenly a generation down the future find these obscure writings expands on the idea to incorporate the world where originally it was just a personal experience combined with past legend interpretation.
All countries , culture, kingship and families do the same by altering and adding history to make this personal connection to the Gods to lift national pride. I believe all the cultures did this in later times more sore and what your reading is a product of that.

That's why you see many Ur references adopted by later civilisations remembering that legend of Atlantis or Eden was perpetuated in there own culture as a personal experience to build national strength and feeling.

Everybody desired the personal link to the Gods in name.


I must say Oasis this is truly a journey of discovery of the truth. We all have to find the truth of the matter in our own way. I'm glad we can discuss all these things. They should be discuss and thrashed out. Its all for our edification and for our own journey in quest of truth. This is the honest forum in town regarding these issues.

Most forums that are related to UB don't go this far in the research of Eden which is understandable. But to be here and to thrash it out and to feel free to express is a real good thing for this planet.

I know debate is healthy and works to refine the truth they best way we can that I'm very happy to discuss all these things. And in addition to be on the spiritual journey in parallel with the physical discoveries is truly wondrous. Its a good time to be alive and to witness this event of discovery.

I think its truly remarkable.

It will be certainly interesting, intriguing and fascinating in what they uncover. A real mystery of suspense and intrigue and yet with so much love for mankind. You know God really loves all is children of true faith and loves to thrill us with this great discovery. He has all faith in man who believes and follows the good paths to him. Its a beautiful gift now and in the future.

Also in answering your question about 350,000 years ago. Much of the advances then was lost soon after the fall of the Sons of God. When Adam and Eve arrived, the planet was pretty primitive even in their religions. But Adam and Eve where recognized by all including the Nodites because of the previous training delivered through legend.

You know I was thinking that everything that we are discussing and things we find in the books and the reason being for many of these the religions of the past was probably designed for us right now. To make the ultimate connections.

All foreseen and manifested by mans own wills but God directing things the whole time for a time in the future. The grand design of the realities of the Paradise Trinity in time/space. Past present and future in a oneness of conjunction of truth/time.

God is calling in all the truth by this conjunction of the everything in the way of a puzzle or mystery. Its his way of completion in word and in discovery the intelligence of the Gods. This is truly a path and half.

Incredible! the mind of God.!!! Amazing. The way I feel now, is that I just give all praise to the Lord for his wonderous and truly Magnificent gifts of discovery and splendor in a way that we can see and understand.


regards
sevens

 


Thank you Milanista

But I do all my reading on the net concerning the books. Also I'm not impressed my posts containing the words of Jesus being torn down. Not impressed with that at all since there revelation is designed for you guys as Gods way helping.

I'm sick of rejection by all main religions and so is Gods in his sublime presentation.

Although now there is spiritual in total rejection of his words which includes the Urantia book. I put hours or research for the benefit of mankind to see it torn down by the ignorant few who do no research but judge.

God will not take kindly to that and that will include the Christians to who also reject the expanded truth and the discovery of Eden.

I think its high time for all religions to get of the back side from the set if crystallised doctrine and wake up and look at the realities that are unfolding and the message.

There will be a correction for those who wont listen.

Anyway III get a Quran from a local mosque. I'm not confident of my safety by giving out details of personal address.

Yes that is religion currently has taken because of all the false doctrine of the sword and religion. Its got nothing to do with physical but its spiritual message. God is dealing his sword of conviction now. Know that this who reject will be rejected because of his own prejudice.

regards
sevens
 


Hi well all I know is that the Pope is now complaining of the religion being used in war. Its not me know, its the Pope is saying something about the actions of violence with religious connection. I agree with him.

Regardless who he is and what he represents means nothing in light of what we see. That's is the truth. The sword has been misinterpreted willingly to justify the violence attitude. The sword of God is the sword of personal conviction to follow the right paths of no violence for those with the true that God desires. Its the be seen as the sword willing violence against others.

That's the true interpretation of that particular scripture.

Its a two edge sword that is presented in a mystery. Those who reject the truth will be rejected and those who accept and live the truth of no violence will be saved.

That's it, willing violence in the name of religion is totally forbidden in Paradise and should be outlawed here to.

I mean to say Islam is in a dangerous path and has division within itself because of there own doctrinal sects keeping 2 families apart through differing ideas of God. Look at the sectarian violence. Where does that come from and what is the end conclusion, disaster.

What doctrine justifies that, looking at the results. Does truth lay there?? I hardly think so if the results mean needless death and destruction then no truth lays there,  particularly when it can be avoided through a change of attitude and willingness.

Islam is on a chasm of self destruction as a religion and is probably part of the refinement, sorting the chaff from the wheat. Remember every religion is being reviewed and dealt with. Its not a matter of Islam and Christian, This concerns all religions of the planet.

I feel the angels of religion are dealing with each religion in there own way as a part of the refinement for the future.

Somehow I sense the pope is starting to activate because he probably realizes there are a few things concerning Man and God that are on the horizon as we have been discussing and where much has been rejected and torn down. Everyone is fed up with this violence crap and now people in religious leadership are starting to voice there concerns on a level that is directed towards religious leadership.

Everyone is just sick of this witness of Religion and violence. That not intelligence nor spiritual its rubbish.

Jus remember the Key, the lock and the door that will open and shut. Will you be let in accordance to your attitude. This goes for all man as each man will judged in accordance to his motivation and actions. If it is against his brother in violence regardless who, he will not get in.

God doesn't have real great expectation of man but expects allot from his spiritual servants. You know what that means no violence of any sort in spirit or in action particularly using the name of God.

just some views

regards
sevens


Hi HT

Thanks again for you post again I was inspired by your work and the work of your Grandfather I really respect all the work. I just its fantastic how on this forum all the UB brothers in sprit come together to release their own findings into the date which is very healthy as that in itself leading us to Eden that we can share in spiritual experience due to our personal discovery in light of the physical evidence.

Its such a supernal and sublime journey for us all, everyone all mankind no matter who. Its so good.

There is so much truth that comes the areas of your study. Just recently I ventured into the Mari seal or stone where I recognized features on the stone that led me on a journey that ended in Peru, believe or not and then reflected itself back to the location through legend left behind which perpetuated in the peoples in Sth America.

What a journey that was, bit here bit there all combined and what a picture it delivered.

The studies of the Assyrians is an amazing study and they knew all about the place and what happened there.

All the best and great blessings for you in your journey to Eden.

Wouldn't it be good that one day wouldn't be good for  all to come together around a very big table and present all the findings on every level from every civilisation and compile all the info into coherent 3d model of truth/timeline/evidence/scripture.

Like physical conjunction of the physical.


regards
sevens


Really, the kefir, this person, that person, its really all about man against man. No glory in that and its eventual destruction. Why glorify all this ego rubbish. What did that ever do for the planet. Nothing but a waste of good resources that could be put to good use rather than all this, him against me stuff and I against him stuff which could be avoided. AS YOU KNOW within yourself.

Yes we really need to chill out from the words of, him and us and I against him attitude. That's exactly why the world is in this predicament.

regards
sevens


Hi here is a link from a christian site about 70 7's I thought it was interesting. I was particulary drawn to this verse in Leviticus

The year of Jubilee is described in Leviticus. Well in the italics is exactly what happened in my experience. But still waiting, waiting and waiting. Oh well thats the way it goes! [list]
[*]25:8-11:

 


Hi thought this could be intresting.

 
  • And thou shalt number seven Sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, (the first week of Enoch judgement to) in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which growth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.


Man here is a direct link between Enoch's judgement process and Leviticus(the Bible) direct. What can I say. [i]to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, [i] (this corresponds to first week of Enoch judgement process as well, within the first week) The 7 month relates to July, exactly what happened in my experience. Oh well!

I also liked this link to regarding all the sevens references in the Bible. I was drawn to this grouping of Sevens.

http://www.godshew.org/Sevens.htm

 

  • Seventy weeks of Daniel 9:24 are determined for seven reasons

    to finish the transgression
    to make an end of sins
    to make reconciliation for iniquity
    to bring in everlasting righteousness
    to seal up the vision
    to seal the prophecy
    to annoint the most Holy




http://www.godshew.org/Sevens2.htm

Anyway I thought that was interesting, the message of the sevens and how its embedded in the Bible.

regards
sevens

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Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 5:03 am    Post subject:
 
 
Hi Oasis

Thas was absoultely interesting. I found some many clues in wikipedia that confirms the Urantia description of the people and there size and intelligence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Choirokoitia

That was amazing. Thanks for the link.

Here is a minture phot of the place, I mean to say how abour something a bit better.



 

      Brief Description
      The Neolithic settlement of Choirokoitia, occupied from the 7th to the 4th millennium B.C., is one of the most important prehistoric sites in the eastern Mediterranean. Its remains and the finds from the excavations there have thrown much light on the evolution of human society in this key region. Since only part of the site has been excavated, it forms an exceptional archaeological reserve for future study.



http://whc.unesco.org/pg.cfm?cid=31&id_site=848

Here is a better picture from the link below.

Looks like there circular, probably more practical.



http://www.worldheritagesite.org/sites/choirokoitia.html

Look what it says

 

Quote:
Quote:
Choirokoitia (also known as Khirokitia) is one of the most important prehistorical sites in the eastern Mediterranean area. The site is only partly recovered, and archaelogical work is still going on.

Human life in Choirokoitia started around 7000 BC, in the Neolithicum. Where the people came from is not known for sure. It is possible that the neolithic villages on Cyprus were a result of colonization from the Middle East.

What do we know about the people that lived here? The village probably had about 300 inhabitants. They practised agriculture and animal husbandry, and didn't usually live longer than 35 years. One of their most remarkable customs was to bury their dead under the floors of the houses of the living relatives. In this way the dead remained close to the living.



Its all interesting and does link.

Incredible, Amazing! and again prove The Urntia Revelation.

Yea!
sevens


Man you should move on, were trying to find healing buddy, you're only aggravating the situation with your pain, getting no where.

shove off or participate properly.

Were trying to create life rafts with what's to come. You'll miss the boat if you don't self reflect and consider things and hear what's coming if you can perceive and read.

Its not just in Quran but its in all the books. Just research Eden and and launch a search Eden in all the books, that will give you some clues to the door.

With what's to come is beyond religious boundaries. Believe me. That's probably explains why there has been a shift even in my short time here and changes in peoples attitudes especially on both sides. Religious and from government.

Everyone is beginning to realise the hurt, damage that religion with violence is does.


sevens


Oasis,

You know where it says about the Andite settlement close to Carthage before the phoenecians. Where do you think that settlement is?

I found a link Archaeology site where it mentioned that an Italian team discovered an very ancient site. I was wandering if you have heard or seen anything about that.

regards
sevens


You know Oasis,

The civilisations of Cyprus and the rings in Malta are very last dispersion of the Andites from Mesopotamia, What we are seeing are the last vestiges of that culture. That's way before Egypt.

That's it man, I'm realising it more, that the evidence, the explanation is there through the UB connection, well very much of it anyway. Look at the commonalties of the rings and its various arrangements. I'm still spun out about it.

regards
sevens


Hi I found this excerpt here

http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue9/ar9topten.html

[list]When the French colonized North Africa they soon discovered a lost world existed in southern Algeria and [b]that the ancient harbor of Carthage was an exact miniature of the capital of Atlantis [/b]as described by the Egyptian priests, novels such as Atlantide [/list]

Maybe the Phoenicians copied a town or ruins that already existed there or close by built by the early Andites after the disruption of there culture in Mesopotamia. Its interesting that the circles again found there way to later Carthage according to the excerpt. By reading Atlantide is like reading about these earlier Andites who related to ruins in Malta.

Its interesting that there knowledge derived from Mesopotamia not the other way around.

regards
sevens


Hi I found this excerpt here

http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue9/ar9topten.html

 

    When the French colonized North Africa they soon discovered a lost world existed in southern Algeria and that the ancient harbor of Carthage was an exact miniature of the capital of Atlantis as described by the Egyptian priests, novels such as Atlantide



Maybe the Phoenicians copied a town or ruins that already existed there or close by built by the early Andites after the disruption of there culture in Mesopotamia. Its interesting that the circles again found there way to later Carthage according to the excerpt. By reading Atlantide is like reading about these earlier Andites who related to ruins in Malta.

Its interesting that there knowledge derived from Mesopotamia not the other way around.

Here is another link of the early Saharan civilisation. Looks like the area was rather fertile in those days indicates it rather the civilisation there was ancient.

http://www.fraternet.org/aars/art_style_a_en.html#bubalin


regards
sevens


 
Hi I found this excerpt here

http://www.atlantisrising.com/issue9/ar9topten.html

 

    When the French colonized North Africa they soon discovered a lost world existed in southern Algeria and that the ancient harbor of Carthage was an exact miniature of the capital of Atlantis as described by the Egyptian priests, novels such as Atlantide



Maybe the Phoenicians copied a town or ruins that already existed there or close by built by the early Andites after the disruption of there culture in Mesopotamia. Its interesting that the circles again found there way to later Carthage according to the excerpt. By reading Atlantide is like reading about these earlier Andites who related to ruins in Malta.

Its interesting that there knowledge derived from Mesopotamia not the other way around.

Here is another link of the early Saharan civilisation. Looks like the area was rather fertile in those days indicates it rather the civilisation there was ancient.

http://www.fraternet.org/aars/art_style_a_en.html#bubalin



More links

http://www.fraternet.org/aars/art_messak_en.html

It seems like the round heads were maybe a different culture perhaps they could be the early Andites. Maybe this civilisation was visited by the Andites. Note how tall they are and the Crown on one of them.

Also notice the 3 canal type feature on top of head feature.



Here is Atlantis in the Sahara


Pre-Islamic monument, Djanet - Algeria



another interesting link

http://www.fraternet.org/aars/art_rup_acc_en.html

Note the time Chronolgy and the period of the round heads. I think there the early Andites and was probably part of there Southern empire.



This is interesting note the unusual symbol. And note the rectangular shape , Like the first place in Cyprus. Could possibly be the sign of the religion of the Andites.


 

    Signs engraved on the ground in a rock-shelter. The sandal shape is very frequent throughout the Sahara.
    Terarart ti-n-Tanetfet - Acacus - Libya.





Here is the sign again.

 

    A sheep superimposed to an "ovoid" sign. W. In-Tullult - Messak Settafet - Libya





http://www.fraternet.org/aars/art_chronologie_en.html

 

    On the other hand, the presence of sheep among the "bubaline" engravings definitely shows that these are domestic animals introduced by man, since wild sheep have never existed in Africa. The date of this introduction is now well known : it does not go back beyond the 5th millennium BC.

    As far as the "Round Heads" are concerned, Muzzolini remarked that some bovids are represented, but not in hunting scenes. He therefore concluded that they were domestic. But here again, in the absence of sheep, the argument is not very convincing.

    The difference between the chronologies is essential, because in the "long" chronology, the oldest representations ("bubaline" and "Round Head" styles) would be the work of groups of hunter-gatherers, whereas in the "short" chronology, all the rock art would have been produced by groups who, in the Neolithic period, had learnt how to produce their means of subsistence, thus gaining a certain independence with regard to the surrounding environment.



This maybe give us a link to the Andites the forefathers of the Berbers perhaps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber

 

    Genetic evidence

    While population genetics is a young science still full of controversy, in general the genetic evidence appears to indicate that most northwest Africans (whether they consider themselves Berber or Arab) are predominantly of Berber origin, and that populations ancestral to the Berbers have been in the area since the Upper Palaeolithic era. The genetically predominant ancestors of the Berbers appear to have come from East Africa, the Middle East, or both - but the details of this remain unclear.



Another clue,

The extent of the Andite civilisation was Morocco evidence of their temples are seen in lixus. That is an ancient Andite settlement.

Again from East to West not the other way around as some people think.


regards
sevens


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Here is another exceprt about the ancient genetics of the very ancient Berbers.

 

      The mtDNA, by contrast, is inherited only from the mother. According to Macaulay et al. 1999, "one-third of Mozabite Berber mtDNAs have a [b]Near Eastern ancestry, probably having arrived in North Africa ∼50,000 years ago, and one-eighth have an origin in sub-Saharan Africa. Europe appears to be the source of many of the remaining sequences, with the rest having arisen either in Europe or in the Near East." [Maca-Meyer et al. 2003] yze the "autochthonous North African lineage U6" in mtDNA, concluding that:

       

        The most probable origin of the proto-U6 lineage was the Near East. Around 30,000 years ago it spread to North Africa where it represents a signature of regional continuity. Subgroup U6a reflects the first African expansion from the Maghrib returning to the east in Paleolithic times. Derivative clade U6a1 signals a posterior movement from East Africa back to the Maghrib and the Near East. This migration coincides with the probable Afroasiatic linguistic expansion.




      A genetic study by Fadhlaoui-Zid et al. 2004 argues concerning certain exclusively North African haplotypes that "expansion of this group of lineages took place around 10,500 years ago in North Africa, and spread to neighbouring population", and apparently that a specific Northwestern African haplotype, U6, probably originated in the Near East 30,000 years ago but has not been highly preserved and accounts for 6-8% in southern Moroccan Berbers, 18% in Kabyles and 28% in Mozabites. Rando et al. 1998[/b]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berber

Could be a few clues there. It appears that man been in the Sahara for many uears and there was constant reneal from the East.

The Andites could be related to the Caspian Culture

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsian_culture

 

    The Capsian culture (named after the town of Gafsa) was a Mesolithic culture of the Maghreb, which lasted from about 10000 BC to 6000 BC. It was concentrated mainly in modern Morocco, Algeria, and Tunisia, with some sites attested in Cyrenaica (Libya).



Well here you go

 

    Nothing is known about Caspian religion, but their burial methods suggest a belief in an afterlife. Decorative art is widely found at their sites, including figurative and abstract rock art, and ocher is found coloring both tools and corpses.




I wonder if that related to the Ovid symbol, the rectangular form!

Hi back to Tassili, Again note the circles, very instrumental in their worship. Note that religions made there way to Europe through this route. Explains the latter circles.

http://www.fjexpeditions.com/tassili.html





and concentric circles




regards
Sevens


Here some pictures on Lixus in Morocco, the outpost of the very early Andite influence. It could give clues to the Early Andite expansion in Morocco. The stone work seems to be similar to the stone work of the Andites. Even though the Romans reshaped the early ruins for there own purposes.

Know this culture also spread into Europe to Spain, Switzerland and Italy and is evident in the region of the circles.

These are the clues.

The King of Atlantis was Urania, Sounds very close the Uran, Urantia, Ur. Again from the east moving west.

http://www.atlantisquest.com/Archeology.html



regards
sevens


Ah!

Its all good, everything is good some of the greatest breakthroughs and discoveries are being made that really changes things and confirms everything, just everything!

On top of everything, that we have discussed and you wouldn't believe it. All coming from the sea, all hidden and realms of the Sons of Gods all awakening mankind with it s message from the Abyss.

Its amazing what Atlantis/Eden/ have done for us and where it has lead us, to another place. Gain prophecy fulfilling itself.

Man O man!!! really!!! I just give all honour and praise to God, I honestly do with what has been discovered. Everything has just lifted on to another level and its all to do with the discovery of the original Annanuki of the Sumerians, The king list is true believe me!.

Those who have ears know what I'm talking about.

I'm telling you Wow! Everything is 100% true and confirmed from another source of discovery.

This journey is bigger than what I expected. Much much bigger. It Blatant know and the sevenfold and its truth and origins is arising.

Its the best
regards
sevens


Is this the Seventh part of Enochs 10th week scenario??

Is it the discovery of the Sevenfold in physical as related to its physical and spiritual origins??

Is this there presentation through discovery?

sevens


Yes I thought that was brilliant. I really loved the parable.

In the spirit of the parallel, about 2 weeks ago I shared a proposal of discovering of lost city called Dalamatia in the Persian Gulf that Ive been searching for thinking it could be in of 3 places. The idea of the discovery was a joint venture of the Quran and The Urantia Book and all the other religions of course being a apart of all our spiritual family of Earth.

The idea to see a fulfilment of prophecy for both books as a way edification and to expand ourselves in the hope of greater knowledge and understanding resulting in peace.

That was the idea, I'm not sure where the posts went However last night I was exploring the Persian Gulf and actually discovered the lost city and its vestiges as described.

Technically speaking this discovery (Upon realisation) fulfils prophecy and is within the Quran, that a something will found in the waters or something comes out of the waters or something hidden in the waters. You'll have to find the texts for me but I know its there.

How amazing, Upon finding this was an incredible experience and I proposed this idea within the last week I think it was. Now upon further investigation, some real strong clues and strong indications of the city have been found. To me this feels like the God looked upon the proposal and liked it and thought to take it to the next level through his normal guidance through faith and delivery.

Know that we have good clues its really up to man and you have to understand this place is a very ancient, ancient place that goes back to the what the bible call the Nephilim or The Sumerians called them the Annanuki or they were called the Sons of God who came down to teach man civilisation and after a time rebelled. They are the very Sons of God who fell by agreeing with the rebellion manifesto of Lucifer or Satan. This is where all our troubles came from. This place goes back hundreds of thousands of years and was destroyed around 150,000 years by a tidal wave. This place is linked to Sevenfold which goes back way, way back in history before anything in our history. The only indications we have of this history in our religions through the work of angels over that time to maintain the truth for a time to come.

Seems more apparent to me everyday as we venture in this journey.

I tell you this is better than man on the moon stuff and understand this is two places now. We have Eden in the Eastern Med and you have Dalmatia both residences of the Sons of Gods who came to earth to teach man. Now we are discovering these things, today, now as we speak. A twin parallel in discovery both guided by God for a purpose of realisation which is being revealed as we go forward and where the prophets of the past, all of them saw this event of time/space in realities.

You know! we are all making history and we are all part of the mystery whether one disagrees or not. Its by default of knowing about it.

I'm sharing this journey with you to edify and strengthen those who are losing faith and also a way to bring peace through a discovery not paths of hurt and fear.

Like in the Good Corn parable bringing the spiritual brotherhood of mankind together in faith. The only and easy accessibility to God in faith, discovery and unification.

Any I was thinking of posting a little glimpse to demonstrate this find but I have to see what response of faith there is.

I wont post anything further for it to be taken down and certainly wont post any image.

Anyway that joint proposal of faith is still open and suddenly there is endorsement in the discovery of a glimpse of this location.

That's 2 submerged places of our origins coming to the surface and its delivery of its message to mankind in the way of expanded religion through faith and discovery.

Gets man soul going, stimulates him, brings him real closer to God in his very physical submerged realms for this time.

Personally, if religions of the world cant hear or see this they must all blinded badly. Two locations from the same source. What is man doing not to see this or is he that fearful and cystallised?? Tis goes for all religions not one, all of them.

One lock, key and door in 2 discoveries of mans origins a space/time event of time unification for the future.

regards
sevens


This is the BEST experience discovering our origins. This is real MASSIVE this discovery, forget about all the messages of destruction this is FAR FAR FAR bigger than all that.

This is BIGGER than Ben Hur. Its a real Jag in discovery. The Biggest by far and way bigger than the pyramids.

sevens


Hi Everyone,

Just recently I was doing a some research and study on the Maltese case which was an excellent study. Whilst I was in the Sahara just poking around the place with worldwind a thought came into my mind to check out Persian Gulf for Dalamatia.

I was around the "later" shoreline of the Persian Gulf giving no date could mean any date I suppose.

Just bear in mind that more research has to be done but from what I see the whole place just falls into place in relation with the description in the Urantia book.

Here is Dalamatia or it could be Dilmun to the East of Dalamatia.

For the moment III call this location Dalamatia until the location can be proven true or a mistake.

Within the following link is a collection of images, links and thoughts. Remembering this place was built 500,000 years old and was wiped out by a tidal wave 150,000 soon after the rebellion.

Enjoy.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/index.html



Anyway I wanted to share this discovery with you to see what you thought.

regards
Sevens


The Lost City of Dalamatia

Discovered on the 16-17th September 06.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/

The Seventh Part, Is this prophecy fulfilling itself? Is this the seventh part in Enoch's 10 weeks and The sevenfold in Isaiah.

The actual discovery of the home of the Gods, the physical residence of the Sevenfold. The discovery of it and the realisation of it.

If all stack up in parallel with the Worldwind bathymetric tiling. This could be real big, That Eden discovered and Dalamatia with 2 years and the second expedition to Eden on the eve of Dalamatia being discovered.

Only the Paradise Trinity could bring this about in time/space.

yea!
sevens

[ 09-20-2006, 07:48 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Here is the Sumerian Kinglist 500,000 years ago. seems to give quite a bit of relevance, in light of what appears to be Dalamatia in inital discovery.


http://www.livius.org/k/kinglist/sumerian.html

 
  • After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridu.

    In Eridu, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28,800 years.

    Alalgar ruled for 36,000 years.
    Two kings; they ruled for 64800 years


Really it was Dalamatia in real truth.

regards
sevens


Hi

Ok here is a Glimpse of a very ancient place of the Persian Gulf, remembering that one week ago I proposed the idea of joint venture between both Books although I felt it could of been one of three places at that time. Well I think Paradise or the Kingdom of Heaven liked the idea as a week as I was lead to the place.

Such as incredible journey, Truly inspiring as our words were mentioned about this place with proposal and a week later its discovered. How I discovered was truly by the leadings of heaven or Paradise, same thing.

Anyway enjoy this, I feel its all part of the plan of God for restoration of the planet and this goes way beyond man and cracks the whole debate and religion open. Certainly there is much for all religions to learn.

I believe this is Gods contribution in the efforts of peace, not to mention Eden.

Surely man must listen or is he that stuck in the mud.

Thats 2 major discoveries which changes history Eden and Dalamatia. All simultaneous.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalama...n_overview.htm

The Dalamtian City and the plain.

enlargement

 
Hi

Ok here is a Glimpse of a very ancient place of the Persian Gulf, remembering that one week ago I proposed the idea of joint venture between both Books although at the time I felt it could of been one of three places at that time. Well I think Paradise or the Kingdom of Heaven liked the idea as a few days ago I was lead to the place in actual discovery.

Such as incredible journey, Truly inspiring as our words were mentioned about this place with proposal and a week later its discovered. How I discovered was truly by the leadings of heaven or Paradise, same thing.

Anyway enjoy this, I feel its all part of the plan of God for restoration of the planet and this goes way beyond man and cracks the whole debate and religion open. Certainly there is much for all religions to learn.

I believe this is Gods contribution in the efforts of peace, not to mention Eden.

Surely man must listen or is he that stuck in the mud.

Thats 2 major discoveries which changes history Eden and Dalamatia. All simultaneous.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalama...n_overview.htm

The Dalamatian City and the plain.

enlargement



 
Hi

Ok here is a Glimpse of a very ancient place of the Persian Gulf, remembering that one week ago I proposed the idea of joint venture between both Books although at the time I felt it could of been one of three places at that time. Well I think Paradise or the Kingdom of Heaven liked the idea as a few days ago I was lead to the place in actual discovery.

Such as incredible journey, Truly inspiring as our words were mentioned about this place with proposal and a week later its discovered. How I discovered was truly by the leadings of heaven or Paradise, same thing.

Anyway enjoy this, I feel its all part of the plan of God for restoration of the planet and this goes way beyond man and cracks the whole debate and religion open. Certainly there is much for all religions to learn.

I believe this is Gods contribution in the efforts of peace, not to mention Eden.

Surely man must listen or is he that stuck in the mud.

Thats 2 major discoveries which changes history Eden and Dalamatia. All simultaneous.

The Dalamatian City and the plain.

enlargement

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalama...n_overview.htm



Remember this is prophesied in the Quran., This has all been hidden until now, for a purpose and would not been possible without the Urantia Book and the Quran to. Its in the books and also the Sumerians spoke of this place as indicated in the Sumerian king list and there version of the Paradise on Earth.

Those ancient Sumerian people knew more than what we do about the land of the Gods, there first residence before they rebelled.

There is much study to do and just don't wave it off in ignorance ok. There is real action of God here and no one is talking about destruction as that is forbidden in this place and in Paradise.

The reason why God chooses this operation to release this, is because this operation is not guided by fear but by the willingness to discover God and all his glory and to share the good corn with fellow man not to hold it back nor to suppress it.

This is a wake up call.


regards
everyone and enjoy
sevens

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Hey Ideo, no worries

Ah1 its a great and all compelling find which so much richness in knowledge about the place.

Its has all the links that make so much sense.

Truly a wonderous and magnificent find and all simultaneous to 1Eden or Atlantis. A double message with sevenfold of the gravity of its knowledge..

However Im not going to call the Persian Atlantis, there is too many Atlantis's.

Now this discovery has been released it will be interesting to see mans reaction, if at all??

The whole journey is a journey of faith, incredible. This is the Gibraltar breach of knowledge, pouring out of two places.

Like a flood.

Fascinating.

regards and the best with your research, for sure I.

Also Ideo I did a little work on the kinglist in the above. All compelling, The Sumerian kinglist has all the key points in time and does parallel with the UB.

How cool is that!
regards
sevens

[ 09-20-2006, 04:38 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Last edited by sevens : 1 Minute Ago at 10:04 PM.


 

Hi

Here is the Sumerian King list 500,000 years ago. seems to give quite a bit of relevance, in light of what appears to be Dalamatia in initial discovery.


http://www.livius.org/k/kinglist/sumerian.html

 
  • 500,000 years ago - 150,000(rebellion)

    After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridu.

    In Eridu, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28,800 years.

    Alalgar ruled for 36,000 years.

    Two kings; they ruled for 64800 years


    ----------------

    then note 150,000 years ago there is a shift where there is a second heavenly regime, the rebellious regime and note how there age are dramatically reduced. That because the rebellious sons where not given access to the tree of life.

     
    • 150,000 years ago, (the rebellion)

      Five cities; eight kings ruled for 385,200sic years.

      Then the flood swept over.


    (Then after regime change)

     

    • (150,000 new regime change, the rebellious administration)

      After the flood had swept over, and the kingship had descended from heaven, the kingship was in Kiš.

      In Kiš, Gišur became king; he ruled for 1,200 years


    and then later on we have a reflection of Adam in the long timeline. The Gilgamesh story evolved from Dalamatia and Dumuzi is represented as Adam, Note how he(Adam) ruled for only 120 years in Eden, virtually identical to the Urantia Book account. Note the invisible guidance and Dumuzi's father who was invisible and we know that Adam was directly created by God and spoke directly to God. (The divine, of holy personage.)

     

    • 38,000 years ago (adams time)
    • The divine Dumuzi, the fisherman, whose city was Ku'ara, ruled for 100 (like Adam ruled Eden for a 100 years before his default.

      Gilgameš, whose father was an invisible being, the lord of Kulaba, ruled for 126 years


      Again in the latter verse we see the same description of Adam and note the timing in relation to the rest of the ancient king list all consistent in the timeline and also note, The Fisherman.



Really it was Dalamatia 500,000 years ago in real truth when the Gods came to earth.

regards
sevens

[ 09-20-2006, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


 
 
 
Hi

It seems to me that place is much older than what we think also it is held deep in legend of the king list in the ancient Sumerian culture. Also Cro Magnon people never lived in this place, the Persian Gulf. For Neanthandrals there were pretty smart to construct such a place like this and to make record of it, I doubt they had anything to do with this place. Also Cro Magnon man came from Europe and was distinct to that area.

I did a small study on the king list above looking for clues we can recognise today it was quite fascinating.

You'll probably find that everything comes from this place and is consistent to all the physical finds to date and in word.

Here is another extract from the tablet from Nippur about the Kinglist.

Note the Son of Man mention, curious!

 
  • A tablet from Nippur (CM 2) is an addition to the Sumerian King List. It is too damaged to make sense of it.
    (...)
    [...] reigned 4+N years.
    Ir[...];
    Ur[...], son of a man whose name is not known, ruled for 8 years.
    Sumuabum reigned 8 months.
    Ikun-pi-Ištar became king; he ruled for [...] years.
    A total of N kings ruled for 125+n years; six dynasties of [...]a.



A son of Man link of between Enoch, Jesus, The Urantia Book, New Testament and the Nippur tablet and Sevenfold. Absolutely interesting.

The Son of Man name in that sequence of the king list is probably urantia, just guessing!

Anyway there is a direct parallel and link in the Son of Man word use. Amazing!!!!

regards
sevens

[ 09-20-2006, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Yes they were pretty amazing people the Cro Magnons race and all part of the mystery. I thought there main base of operations was in Europe I thought.

Doesn't matter its all good and everything in word seems to forming in physical connection.

It seems to me that the Cro Magnons was a genetic variation of the extensive family of man at that time before modern man admixed and killed him off.

I'm sure the Cro Magnon man was just as adventurous as us in our explorations and curiosities which took him all over the place in his travels.

regards
sevens


Absolutely Brig, they were modern man, Homo Sapiens. However there were Neanthandrals around but they weren't smart enough to know the significant of this place like us today and then. These early Goods taught The Andonites and the higher types of the 7 colored races at the that time, Races that are more akin to us today.

I agree Brig, human beings like you and me. No Peladeans that's for sure.

That's why we became successfull and the other other races eventually were assimilated or were wiped out. They weren't as smart and never had the guiding benefits of the Gods at the time before the fall.

After the fall (rebellion), free for all. 150,000 years ago, the first default, the second 38,000 years ago.

regards
sevens


Hi Brig

Also note in the bible it speaks of the creation of Adam or the Godman Adam but never speaks of the creation of the Gods in such a way. They are referred to as the those who came from Heaven.

Well its heaven, the kingdom of heaven, like Adam from the spiritual worlds descending into man world to teach man to ascend in his spiritual ideals to that of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Also note that when Cain killed Abel he went to the land of Nod , the land of the Nod, a place of a race of people, the Nodites, a pre existing race before Adam. So we can assume logically that a pre-existent race existed before Adam that lived in a place called Nod where they lived.

Also the bible mentions the Sons of God and the mating with women. So we can assume a race of God/man people existed and men of renown, of legends. I would suggest this Godman race is the origins of the Nodites. In the Land of Nod where Cain went and helped build various cities in the Land of Nod. So we have Adam and the Sons of God or really speaking there progeny in two locations, 2 origins as mentioned in the Sumerian King List.

Anyway just some thoughts.

regards
sevens


Hey Ideo,

Hey I really enjoyed your words, with regards to the numbering of Angels, I was thinking maybe there so numerous that its the logical way following order. However I'm sure they have individual names like us. I suppose numbers are like surnames. Gabriel Archangel of the Paradise Son order of a certain number..... something like that.

However, his first name I suppose is personal. The Angels are like us just in a different environment with more resources at hand and looking into another dimension of time/space reality on the physical from the heavenly realms which is about us and what's within us all.

That's why all truth seekers have so much in common and click on when they see it.

Its amazing that through our investigations we we are here looking in the face of another whole new conversation in a whole new ball game with many possibilities. Its like a history lesson of the Gods of Atlantis and changing history at the same time.

The whole story is being revealed in such a fine way and of a such a high level of spirituality and tied in with physical reality in discovery.

Surely NASA in there technology is not comprised that badly to make mistakes that cover kilometers.

The UB makes it very obvious what to look for in it description of Dalamantia. That's why anyone can see it if they read the paper The city of the Prince.

Now if it wasn't there, The UB would of said nothing about vestiges at all. However in its delivery of the place it gives us a huge hint, a very big hint of tablets with writing of the even meal time prayers. Since the Urantia Book gives us the prayers we can work out the writing, the inscriptions,

I think the tablets would be huge. So when there disocvered we can reflect back to this beforehand lead and work out that mystery and connection. pretty cool eh! The work of the Atlantis Gods!

Anyway I reckon the city of Dalamatia looks beautiful and full of grandeur and to know where it leads is just astounding.

You know Ideo, you look into the creek for resemblance of God whether it be in nature in amongst the forest or in the stones. Its all very similar experience, all the same type of thing. Now we are looking at the stones of history that encompasses the annals and Earth and the universe.

Surely we must be witnessing the embrace of the heavenly father through the wonderment of discovery in conjunction with all his children of the universe.

The embrace, Its a real point in history which encompasses the Sevenfold truth and its history but now through its discovery there is a restoration of the Sevenfold embrace so it means healing for the educational system that went wayward 150,000 years ago. This experience is completely essential and has modified the ascension process of mankind and this little planet is a domain of the Archangels. That means there is direct access to Paradise which is different from to how other planets communicate to other realms of existence. The Kingdom of Heaven. The Heavenly kingdom.

I'm probably going on a bit. But its all great and a inspiring journey, truly

By the way what did you think of the Son of Man excerpt in the Nippur tablet and no one knows his name, the Son of Man, The only line that survived by the work of some great seven angel (Its probably Gabriel) who protected that little piece of writing for this time. He was the one who announced his name Jesus to Mary. I think the Nippur tablet goes back 3300BC, have to check on that. But amazing it survived, and that prophecy was fulfilled by the angel who protected that. So as we glean back to that time we can see everything unfold which make sense. Particularly studying the king list of the Sumerians. That's a blow away thing.

All in faith forward we adventure and discover. Fair Dinkum what a journey, even in our short time here.

yea!

regards
sevens


Yes they were pretty amazing people the Cro Magnons race and all part of the mystery. I thought there main base of operations was in Europe I thought.

To me it seems to me that the Cro Magnons was a genetic variation of the extensive family of man at that time before modern man fought them in battled maybe some admixed.  They most likely competed for land and shelter. I think there is a big record of that.

The Cro Magnon man was just as adventurous as us in our explorations and curiosities which took him all over the place in his travels but I'm sure again it was down to survival and adaptation! Like the early ape man found in Ethiopia there were many variations of early primate before us similar to when our species of sentient being arose.

regards
sevens



[ 09-21-2006, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi Brig

Also note in the bible it speaks of the creation of Adam or the Godman Adam but never speaks of the creation of the Gods in such a way. They are referred to as the those who came from Heaven.

Well its heaven, the kingdom of heaven, like Adam from the spiritual worlds descending into man world to teach man to ascend in his spiritual ideals to that of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Also note that when Cain killed Abel he went to the land of Nod , the land of the Nod, a place of a race of people, the Nodites, a pre existing race before Adam. So we can assume logically that a pre-existent race existed before Adam that lived in a place called Nod where they lived.

Also the bible mentions the Sons of God and the mating with women. So we can assume a race of God/man people existed and men of renown, of legends. I would suggest this Godman race is the origins of the Nodites. In the Land of Nod where Cain went and helped build various cities in the Land of Nod. So we have Adam and the Sons of God or really speaking there progeny in two locations, 2 origins as mentioned in the Sumerian King List.

Anyway just some thoughts.

regards
sevens

[ 09-20-2006, 10:56 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi Briwyns

http://www.jameswbell.com/geog0050dnames.html

I looking through the link. I am real fascinated by the link. This is new to me.

I liked this one

"In the Days when Gods Walked
Upon the Face of the Earth"

This was a time before any known time and only retained in religion in the Sumerian case. The time before he fell, obviously something went wrong and the Gods had to mate to perpetuate their ideals as recorded in the bible. The rebellion. Its so long ago however the pure aspects of the scriptures goes back a time before Eden and Adam. When the Gods came down from Heaven.

The narration of the link seems like a family story of dynasty of the kings of in the king states of Sumeria assuming the name of the Gods. But in there own history.

Just a thought.
regards
sevens


 

Hi Briwyns

http://www.jameswbell.com/geog0050dnames.html

I looking through the link. I am real fascinated by the link. This is new to me.

I liked this one

"In the Days when Gods Walked
Upon the Face of the Earth"

This was a time before any known time and only retained in religion in the Sumerian case. The time before he fell, obviously something went wrong and the Gods had to mate to perpetuate their ideals as recorded in the bible. The rebellion. Its so long ago however the pure aspects of the scriptures goes back a time before Eden and Adam. When the Gods came down from Heaven and did walk the earth. Who helped man for 350,000 developed civilisation through education and sending out teachers of there own tribe. Good for a time but went wrong as The Gods tried a different method of revolution rather than evolution through learning in the revelation technique. Also Im not sure wether man had the capacity to understand early in his evolution. It probably took sometime for him to click on and certain races only had a response that was developed by the Gods in there own way.

The narration of the link seems like a family story of dynasty of the kings the king states of Sumeria assuming the name of the Gods. But in there own history. But I did find clues.

Just a thought.

However in the following piece. In know in the UB does gives us a tip that Marduk is really Adam so from there we can back and forth in time through his story focusing on Marduk which may yield further clues to a path of literal understanding perhaps!

 
  • Although Enki seduced many goddesses, Damkina remained his wife throughout the time he was on the Earth. They were a team, swimming across the Lower Sea together for recreation. Their son, Marduk, later became tutelary god of the great city of Babylon and then the god of Babylonia.



That's true Adam was expelled and began the second garden in Babylon, absolutely. However Adams time 38,000 years ago but his name has persisted in religion since then. Be it used locally, mixed in with legend all sorts of things. Particularly from the City state period when religion was tainted with all sorts of things.

Im reading some of the Sumerian texts, They are quite beautiful.

Off course I noticed this, The seven aspect and its divine powers

http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/section1/tr141.htm

 

  • 14-19She took the seven divine powers. She collected the divine powers and grasped them in her hand. With the good divine powers, she went on her way. She put a turban, headgear for the open country, on her head. She took a wig for her forehead. She hung small lapis-lazuli beads around her neck.

    123-128Neti, the chief doorman of the underworld, paid attention to the instructions of his mistress. He bolted the seven gates of the underworld. Then he opened each of the doors of the palace Ganzer separately. He said to holy Inana: "Come on, Inana, and enter."


    The Seven Gates of the underworld, i wonder if there are clues there.

     
    • 129-133And when Inana entered, (1 ms. adds 2 lines: the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and measuring line were removed from her hand, when she entered the first gate,) the turban, headgear for the open country, was removed from her head. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

      134-138 When she entered the second gate, the small lapis-lazuli beads were removed from her neck. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

      139-143 When she entered the third gate, the twin egg-shaped beads were removed from her breast. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

      144-148 When she entered the fourth gate, the "Come, man, come" pectoral was removed from her breast. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

      149-153 When she entered the fifth gate, the golden ring was removed from her hand. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

      154-158 When she entered the sixth gate, the lapis-lazuli measuring rod and measuring line were removed from her hand. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."

      159-163 When she entered the seventh gate, the pala dress, the garment of ladyship, was removed from her body. "What is this?" "Be satisfied, Inana, a divine power of the underworld has been fulfilled. Inana, you must not open your mouth against the rites of the underworld."


    Well im not sure what the signifcants of that was. Was that humbling one self by taking of pretense or something like in the way of a material thing. Is that meaning coming, before God and with nothing else. Like to be purified before entering the temples as you go through the seven gates. The Sevenfold gates! maybe.




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regards
sevens

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Hi

In the following sounds like the fall and the Seven judges are the Gods, The Ancient of Days head of the Sevenfold scheme. They dont sound happy speaking. Its really the eve story in my view and the judgment handed down that resulted in the explusion of 1st Eden fallen from her estate. This account seems to give us an extra account to the account in the Bible. Note her partner is not there.

 
  • 164-172After she had crouched down and had her clothes removed, they were carried away. Then she made her sister Erec-ki-gala rise from her throne, and instead she sat on her throne. The Anuna, the seven judges, rendered their decision against her. They looked at her -- it was the look of death. They spoke to her -- it was the speech of anger. They shouted at her -- it was the shout of heavy guilt. The afflicted woman was turned into a corpse. And the corpse was hung on a hook.


    173-175 After three days and three nights had passed, her minister Nincubura (2 mss. add 2 lines: , her minister who speaks fair words, her escort who speaks trustworthy words,) carried out the instructions of her mistress (1 ms. has instead 2 lines: did not forget her orders, she did not neglect her instructions).

    176-182 She made a lament for her in her ruined (houses). She beat the drum for her in the sanctuaries. She made the rounds of the houses of the gods for her. She lacerated her eyes for her, she lacerated her nose. In private she lacerated her buttocks for her. Like a pauper, she clothed herself in a single garment, and all alone she set her foot in the E-kur, the house of Enlil.


interesting link
http://www.jameswbell.com/m001universe.html

 

  • Heaven, ‘An’ in Sumerian, was the top layer of the Universe, situated directly above the Earth. Besides the stars, Heaven contained a city named Anduruna and was the original home of the gods.

    Or was that original home of the Gods situated physically close by the original home of the Persian Gulf?  kept in legend for thousands of years.


Note the 3 days and night, I wonder if that has significants.

regards
sevens

[ 09-21-2006, 02:39 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Focusing on Marduk as Adam.

I thought this sounds like a good description of Adam and his time in the original garden. Adam being Marduk the result being and extant universe becuase of Adam victory which is now.

 
  • http://www.piney-2.com/Enuma1.html

    The creation of the actual cosmos is dealt with much later. Also, the introduction of Mummu, the personified "original form," which in the circumstances can only be that of water, may have led to the omission of Ki, "Earth," who--as nonwatery--did not fit in.

    The gods, who in Enuma elish come into being within Apsu and Tiamat, are viewed as dynamic creatures,

    who contrast strikingly with the older generation. Apsu and Tiamat stand for inertia and rest.

    This contrast leads to a series of conflicts in which first Apsu is killed by Ea; then Tiamat, who was roused later to attack the gods, is killed by Ea's son Marduk. It is Marduk, the hero of the story, who creates the extant universe out of the body of Taimat.

    my view
    (The Apsu the first time of the Sons of Gods then they fell because of the rebellion. The original location, Persian Gulf. Later on in time Adam arrived, Tiamat sets against Adam, which happened, but Marduk ultimately defeats Taimat and where the universe is expanded or certain things change because of this victory. Which is exactly true.)

    He cuts her, like a dried fish, in two,

    making one-half of her into heaven--appointing there Sun, Moon, and stars to execute their prescribed motions--

    and the other half into the Earth. He pierces her eyes to let the Tigris and Euphrates flow forth, and then,

    heaping mountains on her body in the east, he makes the various tributaries of the Tigris flow out from her breasts.

    The remainder of the story deals with Marduk's organization of the cosmos, his creation of man, and his assigning to the gods their various cosmic offices and tasks. The cosmos is viewed as structured as, and functioning as, a benevolent absolute monarchy.


regards
sevens


 
Reflection of the very first humans that became sentient beings from Sumerian texts.


 
  • When heaven above was not yet named
    Nor earth below pronounced by name,
    Apsu, the first one,
    their begetter
    And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,


    (Is he talking about evolutionary man, before the time of being sentient.)

    Had mixed their waters together,
    But had not formed pastures, nor discovered reed-beds;
    (early man, very early man. The time before the Gods.)
    When yet no gods were manifest,
    Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
    Then gods were born within them.

    (Self realisation)

    (Is this the time before man)

     
    • Lahmu (and) Lahamu emerged, their names pronounced.
      As soon as they matured, were fully formed,
      Anshar (and) Kishar were born, superpassing them


    Is Lahmu (and) Lahamu the parents of Anshar (and) Kishar. The child twins that were different and mutated into humans with greater capacity. The same story can be found in the Urantia Book as Andon and Fonta, the first evolutionary beings who mutated that gave them more capacity. Thus becoming sentient beings.

    It does speak of the children surpassing there parents like in a evolutionary leap of awareness which surpassed there parents and thus resulted in our specific species.


regards

sevens

[ 09-21-2006, 03:52 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


After the first epochal revelation of evolutionary man some 500,000 later the Gods arrived and built there first place Dalamatia or Anduruna and after 350,000 years of order there came the time of the rebellion in the first place.

http://www.piney-2.com/Enuma1.html

They passed the day at length, they added to the years. (The story of man evolving)
Anu their first-born son rivalled his forefathers: (the evolutionary leap)
Anshar made his son Anu like himself, (family)
And Anu begot Nudimmud (EA) in his likeness.
He, Nudimmud, was superior to his forefathers: (is this a reflection of Adam somehow.)
Profound of understanding, he was wise, was very strong at arms.
Mightier by far than Anshar his father's begetter,

He had no rival among the gods his peers.
The gods of that generation would meet together (Like the time of rebellion appearing)
And disturb Tiamat, and their clamour reverberated.
They stirred up Tiamat's belly,
They were annoying here by playing inside Anduruna. [Heaven, where the gods play]
Apsu could not quell their noise
And Tiamat became mute before them; (Universal circuits cut off, Planet Urantia isolated)
However grievous their behaviour to her,
However bad their ways, she would indulge them.
(Everyone is influenced by the doctrines of the rebellion in one way or another,)

Was that all about the rebellion that occured 150,000 sounds like it.

And note Anduruna. the home of the Gods.

Finally Apsu, begetter of the great gods,

 
  • Called out and addressed his vizier Mummu,
    'O mummu, vizier who pleases me!
    'Come, let us go to Tiamat!'
    They went and sat in front of Tiamat,
    And discussed affairs concerning the gods their sons.
    Apsu made his voice heard
    And spoke to Tiamat in a loud voice,
    'Their ways have become very grievous to me,
    'By day I cannot rest, by night I cannot sleep.
    'I shall abolish their ways and disperse them!


    Sounds like a dispersement of the Sons of God and the progeny. Post rebellion.

    and here is a rendition of Adam as seen as Marduk and Calagastia seen as Bel the following describes Adam to a tee and his birth in the Apsu, the second Absu 2nd Absu 1st Eden.

     
    • Bel, cleverest of the clever, sage of the gods, was begotten.
      And inside Apsu, Marduk was created;
      Inside pure Apsu, Marduk was born.
      Ea his father created him,
      Damkina his mother bore him.


      He suckled the teats of goddesses;
      The nurse reared him filled him with awesomeness.
      Proud was his form, piercing his stare,
      Mature his emergence, he was powerful from the start.
      Anu his father's begetter beheld him,

      And rejoiced, beamed; his heart was filled with joy.

      He made him so perfect that his godhead was doubled.
      Elevated far above them, he was superior in every way.
      His limbs were ingeniously made beyond comprehension,
      Impossible to understand, too difficult to perceive.
      Four were his eyes, four were his ears;
      When his lips moved, fire blazed forth.
      The four ears were enormous
      And likewise the eyes; they perceived everything.
      Highest among the gods, his form was outstanding.


    His limbs were very long, his height (?) outstanding


very interesting
regards
sevens

[ 09-21-2006, 04:34 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Here is a reflection of the Zu birds, these birds are mentioned in The Urantia Book, These birds are called the Fandors who were high intelligent birds and could be mounted for flight.

In the following link is a reflection of these birds

http://www.jameswbell.com/fc006inannaandtheskylord.html

 
  • “He desires that you come now,” the messenger said. “He had me bring an extra zu-bird for you. The bird awaits outside in the courtyard.”

    At the call of the midnight watch, Anu, King of Heaven, accompanied Inanna and the messenger into the temple courtyard where two zu-birds waited, already harnessed. The giant birds, eagles with the heads of lions, growled as their approach woke them.


    “That pompous ass, my dear, is the father of Ninurta, the same Ninurta who has unleashed floods and caused droughts.” Inanna stopped beside the nearest zu-bird. She put a foot in the leather stirrup and swung her leg over the back of the bird as the messenger walked around to mount the other bird. “I have no wish to provoke Enlil and have his son deliver us a another catastrophe. I’d best go see what he wants.”

    “On the Earth,” Inanna replied. She flicked the reins and the zu-bird stood. “Don’t forget, my dear, the Skylord is supreme on the Earth.” Then she added, “For the time being.”

    “My dear, how can you say that? He’s your son.” Inanna flicked the reins again and her zu-bird spread its twelve-foot wings. It took off, running like an ostrich, then leaped into the air to clear the far courtyard wall. The messenger’s bird followed close behind.


    “I’ll not allow you to fly back on one of my zu-birds.”


Here is The Urantia Book account

 

  • The Urantia Fandors

    It was in these days that carrier pigeons were first used, being taken on long journeys for the purpose of sending messages or calls for help. Bon's group were successful in training the great Fandors as passenger birds, but they became extinct more than thirty thousand years ago.


    Adam and Eve and the Fandors

    The third day was devoted to an inspection of the Garden. From the large passenger birds--the fandors-- Adam and Eve looked down upon the vast stretches of the Garden while being carried through the air over this, the most beautiful spot on earth. This day of inspection ended with an enormous banquet in honor of all who had labored to create this garden of Edenic beauty and grandeur. And again, late into the night of their third day, the Son and his mate walked in the Garden and talked about the immensity of their problems.

    The Passenger birds

    It was near the dawn of their seventh day on earth that Adam and Eve heard the startling news of the proposal of these well-meaning but misguided mortals; and then, even while the passenger birds were swiftly winging to bring them to the temple, the midwayers, being able to do such things, transported Adam and Eve to the Father's temple. It was early on the morning of this seventh day and from the mount of their so recent reception that Adam held forth in explanation of the orders of divine sonship and made clear to these earth minds that only the Father and those whom he designates may be worshiped. Adam made it plain that he would accept any honor and receive all respect, but worship never!

    More about the Passenger birds

     
    • The Origins of the Passenger birds

      line 47: 45,000,000 years ago the continental backbones were elevated in association with a very general sinking of the coast lines. Mammalian life was evolving rapidly. A small reptilian, egg-laying type of mammal flourished, and the ancestors of the later kangaroos roamed Australia. Soon there were small horses, fleet-footed rhinoceroses, tapirs with proboscises, primitive pigs, squirrels, lemurs, opossums, and several tribes of monkeylike animals. They were all small, primitive, and best suited to living among the forests of the mountain regions. A large ostrich like land bird developed to a height of ten feet and laid an egg nine by thirteen inches. These were the ancestors of the later gigantic passenger birds that were so highly intelligent, and that onetime transported human beings through the air.


    And here is more about the Passenger birds and it evolution with man.

     

    • Early evolutionary man is not a colorful creature. In general, these primitive mortals are cave dwellers or cliff residents. They also build crude huts in the large trees. Before they acquire a high order of intelligence, the planets are sometimes overrun with the larger types of animals. But early in this era mortals learn to kindle and maintain fire, and with the increase of inventive imagination and the improvement in tools, evolving man soon vanquishes the larger and more unwieldy animals.

      The early races also make extensive use of the larger flying animals. These enormous birds are able to carry one or two average-sized men for a nonstop flight of over five hundred miles. On some planets these birds are of great service since they possess a high order of intelligence, often being able to speak many words of the languages of the realm. These birds are most intelligent, very obedient, and unbelievably affectionate. Such passenger birds have been long extinct on Urantia, but your early ancestors enjoyed their services.


    Now in Hindu legend there is record of these passenger birds. In some pictures you can see Shiva riding on these passenger birds extinct for 30,000 years ago.

    I think there is also some fossils of there birds to.

    I thought that was a interesting link of The UB, Sumerian tablets, Hindu legend and the passenger birds.

    Ostrich like bird with a 12 foot wing span and able to replicate words like a cockatoo or a parrot. What a beautiful bird.


I thought that was interesting.

regards
sevens


Hi Oasis.

I just get what I get, I'm on ADSL I think that helps. But that's what I see. Obviously it needs further work on it to see if what I see is correct. I wrote to NASA about it, they said its a combination of different filters that creates the 3d effect.

I cant zoom in any closer. I don't think there is anything wrong in trying to make connections. It speaks of later coastline which could mean a lower coastline because of lower sea levels. For all we know it was a freshwater sea full of swamps and lagoons. It must of been close to that 22,000 years ago as we know.

The UB says it sunk and then remerged and then sunk again maybe because of higher sea levels. Makes all sense to where it lays. Also the UB describes it in detail, the authors wouldn't do that, if there was no real purpose in it knowing that possibly some guy in the future will stumble on it following the track in faith thus fulfilling the purpose of the script...perhaps?. I don't know speculation.

I don't see anything wrong in sharing these images. You cant just breeze it off like that. What do you get? Actually I don't think I can get better information than this. At this time.

I did try to find pictures of the area but this is all I found. Which wasn't much but I do see slight resemblance of the plain. But that it. If anyone can help here to get better images that would be great.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/preview_dal.jpg

Oasis, unless anyone can prove me wrong 100% then I stick to what I found. in the way of Dalamatia.

I don't mind pooling information and research but until I can proven wrong then I say Dalamatia because of what I see.

I'm writing further to NASA to get more information.


regards
sevens


 


PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:07 pm    Post subject:
 
I really enjoyed the words about Dilmun.

I was interested in the description of the place.

seeing if could find more clues about the layout using the scripts that HST provided. In brackets are my thoughts.


 

    in the city,
    He who crosses the river utters no ... (protected by canals, walls and ditches)
    The overseer does not ... (probably had a gate system that had security, similar to 1st Eden.)
    The singer utters no wail, (everyone was happy)
    By the side of the city he utters no lament. (Again happy and harmonised, reflections of former glory, pre rebellion)
    Her city drinks the water of abundance, (much water abounded)
    Dilmun drinks the water of abundance, (abounds in water which can be seen in the 3d modelling)
    Her wells of bitter water,
    behold they are become wells of good water, (is that saltwater into freshwater?)
    Her city, behold it is become the house of the (Its a house, city)
    banks and quays of the land. (Place is full of ditches canals, articifcial islands perhaps beside a freshwater or a saltwater sea at the time.)



As seen in these scripts it seems to resemble the Urantia account and the indications seen in the images.

Here is an overview of the whole place from what I see. However I wish I could the blue tiling of the whole ancient coastline of long ago.

Click for enlargement.
http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/overview_sofar.jpg





regards
sevens


Hi Oasis

With regard to the settings here is the settings I'm using

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/view.jpg

I hope this helps you.

I really feel there is something there and what we are seeing is completely described and gives us clues of what can be found there. I can see how the very ancient Sumerians when the water levels were lower how they used those canals for protection from the outside world. Note how protected Dalamatia is. At the ends of the earth protected from all sides.

Here is an overview from the front and an attempt to mark some tributaries and the main river.


http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/overview_front.jpg



regards
sevens


 


Oasis.

Im really interested in the the next few panels to the left covering the west, the rest of the headwaters and coastline.

Its looks awfully curious considering the pixelated effects you see on a Google scan. However its very unrealiable regarding Bathymetric and what we see could be an old channel and all kinds of ruts.??

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dalamantia.jpg



here is another effect using a weird filter

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dalamantia1.jpg

I think the western headwaters look very interesting as well. If its correct this location has some curious shapes that should be explored. With the blue tiling effects it would light the whole place. Very hard to say but interesting shapes and divisions.

That's why I open for the first location to be Dilmun if there is another site to the West near the other headwaters.

Its a strong possibility.

All the best
regards
sevens


 
 
 

Hi Oasis , hope your well.

I'd be interested in looking at your drawings and see the reflection of Eden within you, It would be good to see your work.

I myself have been very interested in the 12 gates of Eden myself. I really believe the authors of the UB inserted that as well knowing that we may be able to identify certain characteristics.

When the Discovery of Atlantis was released they some pictures or early Russian bathymetric mapping. There was an image there that quickly drew my attention and played around with it a bit.

here is the image and what I feel are the 12 gates. Obviously its needs more investigation and proper research of the area.

Note in the following image the outer wall could be to the east further near the ridge closest to the mainland.



also I feel I can see resemblance of the 12 gates in the Mari Seal and note the 2 springs with the 7 concentric circles about the in the top the one in the middle and also pictorial of the Stars and moon, The truth of the Stars, in my view sevenfold truth.

Pictorial on the Mari Seal of the Akkadian

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/mari_cultic_stela3.jpg

About Beetle island III have to research that.

You know Oasis, I really appreciate it when you respond with your ideas as that makes me research as well. I think its so good to pool the information about this beautiful place.

We can come here in brotherhood regardless the variations in ideas. It gives all an opportunity to put forth there ideas. Which can be debated.

I really get this strong feeling the Gods of Atlantis/Eden/Maati just really wants us to have fun and enjoy this discovery with delight as they guide all of us in uncovering the great mystery.

Just think Oasis we are hear at this defining moment in time, in a change history and in religion. At the point of planetary destiny unfolding in the spring air.

This is really truly incredible that we are here to see this all unfold on the run as it happens. Whilst everything about this is serious, I feel there is a light side to it and I think Paradise wants us to sit back, contemplate explore and discover and just have fun finding the truth.

I really the lord for his magnificence and his splendor in his truth and how it happens. Fantastic!

Like most stories have an ending, if feel this story will never end once unlocked, it runs and continues for eternity as the truth of the location is in part connected to Eternity.

Man O Man, I say YEA!

All the best
regards
sevens


I was just thinking Oasis,

If all is right and correct with the discovery of Dalamatia. That's is 2 discoveries simultaneous to each other and on the eve of further investigation of Atlantis/1st Eden. Isn't that incredible and so in line with the logic of Paradise.

To add further gravity to the case through the support of Sevenfold through its own discovery, the first physical home of the Sevenfold (before the rebellion).

There is no comparison to this reality. I really feel this the living mystery of mankind. As its revealed it reveals itself through discovery and investigation in physical and in word simultaneously. I reckon that is the Sevenfold mystery of the ancients and there method is in the time/space reality of discovery on levels in time/reality particularly in the beforehand experience, the faith impulse, journey.

Anyway its fun. Like a child discovering something new.

The feelings I get is that these submerged land of the Gods has the total focus of the whole universes, all of them are one in seeing the broadcasts that emerge from this experience. All are united and the Paradise Trinity is personally involved. I feel I recognise this pattern through the space/time walk in discovery in words and then physical.

Everyone is experiencing it in there own way. Its touches the soul level and that really is the point of these discoveries the soul of man and his relationship with the father of all souls in mans own personal way. However these discoveries are the golden grails of religion and the history of our origins. These are the keys to the door and to me are the signs.

These are the crowns as mentioned in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, Revelations. The Urt crown, the spectre, The seven crowns, The white crown. There is a few more crowns. But the crowns is the knowledge in totality and the experience that emerges from this place that is designed for mans destiny, his future.

Going on a bit but if that edifies and makes man stronger I reckon that's OK.

regards
sevens


Hi QOAIS

I'm really sorry for that and I do feel embarrassed about that, I overlooked that. When I write my brain goes faster than my fingers and that's why I make errors like that and overlook things. Plus I get fat fingers error to.

About your experience in sharing your truth about the Urantia Book, I know exactly what you mean. I find that to, I myself have tried to introduce the book the many Christians, I have found that some look at it with curiosity but most reject. That's because of the effect of doctrine and dogma, the same problems arise with Islam to. Ive been kicked of Christian and Islam forums because of sharing truth, connected and in parallel.

Its a planetary problem. However this truth is not design to wipe out someone faith nor to brainwash anyone. This truth is designed for people in general and to enhance there own faith with expanded truth and spiritual experience.

I used to try and explain UB truth which I can successfully but people have to see the truth for themselves. That why we are seeing this demonstration of the Father from the highest levels of the kingdom of heaven at this time. To demonstrate perfection in time space paralleled with existent knowledge of the past and future, so in the future when people research this spiritual and physical phenomena they will be inspired and curious to look upon without nothing being taken away especially through fear.

This whole adventure is a good experience for all religions to ponder. However the problem does lay in crystallisation, always been the problem and with doctrinisation of fear.

This whole experience has nothing to do with exclusivity or being part of the club or anything like that. Its all to do with revealed religion in the revelatory sense and personal spiritual journey between the individual and the Father which Jesus showed of whom is very much involved in this project of love for mankind.

If religions would look at the commonalities rather than the differences they would enjoy greater success. I myself have explored most religions through the books and I see many common that they all share, especially Islam and Christianity. If they would lock in on the truth of Eden in all the books the paths created, it would lead them straight to this location right to this forum.

Also if they would look into Sumerian texts of ages ago, that path set aside in those scripts, would lead them straight to Dalamatia.

This whole experience is part of the realisation of man and its intimate to his soul. I feel its all part of the correction process of the planet by the Kingdom of Heaven but in a very, very classy and sophisticated way.

Doesn't impose nothing on anyone. Personally I wouldn't try and explain everything. Christians have to see for themselves and have to research this. The only thing that would hold them back is simply laziness to research and to be fearful to explore this case of Eden in case its correct and have to face realisation of themselves.

I know the Holy Spirit is here and is very much behind this as a way to stimulate expansion for all man, spiritual expansion through revealment. They should take an interest in this as it is for them and everyone else.

Like you coming here and conversing is very comfortable and easy and that's what it should be. Explore, check out things, read, look at the images and formulate your truth in totality of the knowledge discovered, debate. I'm personally hoping there is enough here to stop the violence spiritual and physical throughout the planet through revelation.

But one thing this path is an easy path in comparison and there so much well spring of sweet waters of truth and its never ending. The sweet waters of truth that are streaming out of 2 locations and look at the timing. Its incredible, it just happens. It like you feel and God does everything in minute detail beforehand and then you discover and connect. There is enough information here and branches where every man from all religion becomes his own priest without any fear whatsoever, he becomes strong as an individual and is not affected by fear.


All the best and great blessings
sevens


Alright alright, I thought I was sharing Good Corn, I don't see that proposal as an insult at all. You under estimate what's going on I must say you have to open up a bit. There is something very big going on and I had that confirmed and you saw it happen in the journey of time/space. Well my journey here is one part of my testament and is part of the whole testament. From my studies of the Quran and what was discovered fulfils its words in my view.

What's wrong with I proposed. I felt the corn I shared was fantastic corn for the spiritual brethren of the world. No exclusivity.

Anyway I wont go on and I wont talk about any new revelations or any new highly seasoned corn that sweet and good for all.

Changing the subject

I got an email wishing all the best for Ramadan, well all the best for the season I pray all good blessings. Think of me slaving away for you guys. (good thoughts)

Anyway good blessings and good spiritual rewards from heaven
regards
sevens

Hi HST, I hope your well

I did some research in the kinglist and based its information against The UB truth of the Epochal events and its timeline.

I must say I was impressed of the parallels between both documents.

Essentially the whole story is in the kinglist and each important time period of the 500,000 year timeline you see major changes in each important time event.

Ive been researching the it and have been drawing from this link.

http://www.livius.org/k/kinglist/sumerian.html

In the following excerpt we have the first instance of rulership of the Gods. Where truth ruled for 350,000 years.


 

    500,000 years ago - 150,000(rebellion)

    After the kingship descended from heaven, the kingship was in Eridu.

    In Eridu, Alulim became king; he ruled for 28,800 years.

    Alalgar ruled for 36,000 years.

    Two kings; they ruled for 64800 years


----------------

then note in the following 150,000 years ago or later, there is a shift where a flood came and flooded the area, symbolic of regime change for the worst, the rebellious regime occurred and note how ages of rulership is reduced dramatically. That because the rebellious sons had no access to the tree of life and note the change of location of rulership. A major shift occurred then.


 

    150,000 years ago, in the timeline of the kinglist (the rebellion)

    Five cities; eight kings ruled for 385,200sic years.

    Then the flood swept over.


    (Then after regime change)

    After the flood had swept over, and the kingship had descended from heaven, the kingship was in Kiš.

    In Kiš, Gišur became king; he ruled for 1,200 years


    (150,000 new regime change, the rebellious administration)




and then later on we have a reflection of Adam in the long timeline. The Gilgamesh story evolved from Dalamatia and Dumuzi is represented as Adam, Note how he (Adam) ruled for only 120 years in Eden, virtually identical to the Urantia Book account. Note the invisible guidance and Dumuzi's father who was invisible and we know that Adam was directly created by God and spoke directly to God. (The divine, of holy personage.)


 

    38,000 years ago (adams time)


    The divine Dumuzi, the fisherman, whose city was Ku'ara, ruled for 100

    Gilgameš, whose father was an invisible being, the lord of Kulaba, ruled for 126 years


    (like Adam ruled Eden for a 100 years before his default.)
     




Again in the latter verse we see the same description of Adam and note the timing of 38,000 years of this time period and note the shortness of ruler ship. It maybe a reflection of the default. Again we notice a reduction in age progressively, also note. Dumuzi, The Fisherman, reflective of some that we are familiar with.

food for thought.

regards
sevens


Here in the following I feel is a Reflection of the very first humans that became sentient beings from Sumerian texts. The very first point of origins and does reflect the UB account. in my view.
 
  • When heaven above was not yet named
    Nor earth below pronounced by name,
    Apsu, the first one,
    their begetter
    And maker Tiamat, who bore them all,


    (Is he talking about evolutionary man, before the time of being sentient.)

    Had mixed their waters together,
    But had not formed pastures, nor discovered reed-beds;
    (early man, very early man. The time before the Gods.)
    When yet no gods were manifest,
    Nor names pronounced, nor destinies decreed,
    Then gods were born within them.

    (Self realisation)

    (Is this the time before man)

     
    • Lahmu (and) Lahamu emerged, their names pronounced.
      As soon as they matured, were fully formed,
      Anshar (and) Kishar were born, superpassing them


    Is Lahmu (and) Lahamu the parents of Anshar (and) Kishar. The child twins that were different and mutated into humans with greater capacity. The same story can be found in the Urantia Book as Andon and Fonta, the first evolutionary beings who mutated that gave them more capacity. Thus becoming sentient beings.

    It does speak of the children surpassing there parents like in a evolutionary leap of awareness which surpassed there parents and thus resulted in our specific species.
     


regards

sevens


After the first epochal revelation of evolutionary man some 500,000 ago the Gods arrived and built there first place Dalamatia or Anduruna and after 350,000 years of order there came the time of the rebellion in the first place.

 

    http://www.piney-2.com/Enuma1.html

    They passed the day at length, they added to the years. (The story of man evolving)
    Anu their first-born son rivalled his forefathers: (the evolutionary leap)
    Anshar made his son Anu like himself, (family)
    And Anu begot Nudimmud (EA) in his likeness.
    He, Nudimmud, was superior to his forefathers: (is this a reflection of Adam somehow or could it be a reflection of the modified andonites when they were modified (the helpers of the Gods) and also had access to the tree of life??)
    Profound of understanding, he was wise, was very strong at arms. (this could be about Adam)
    Mightier by far than Anshar his father's begetter,

    He had no rival among the gods his peers. (advanced in all ways)
    The gods of that generation would meet together (Like the time of rebellion appearing)
    And disturb Tiamat, and their clamour reverberated. (trouble in the city of the Gods)
    They stirred up Tiamat's belly, (the emergence of the Lucifer rebellion)
    They were annoying here by playing inside Anduruna. Heaven, where the gods play, (another name for Dalamatia note the Ur aspect in the name Anduruna)
    Apsu could not quell their noise ( The rebellion was successful in creating division)
    And Tiamat became mute before them; (Universal circuits cut off, Planet Urantia isolated)
    However grievous their behavior to her,
    However bad their ways, she would indulge them.
    (Everyone is influenced by the doctrines of the rebellion in one way or another,)



Was that all about the rebellion that occurred 150,000 sounds like it.

And note Anduruna. the home of the Gods.

Finally Apsu, begetter of the great gods,

 


     

  • Called out and addressed his vizier Mummu,
    'O mummu, vizier who pleases me!
    'Come, let us go to Tiamat!'
    They went and sat in front of Tiamat,
    And discussed affairs concerning the gods their sons. (there was much concern of the fate of the rebellion and a judgement was issued from on high)
    Apsu made his voice heard (The judgement came from Eden in this case)

    And spoke to Tiamat in a loud voice, (judgement of the circumstance.)
    'Their ways have become very grievous to me, (the effect of the rebellion and the judgement it issued)
    'By day I cannot rest, by night I cannot sleep. ( no harmony and can be seen.)
    'I shall abolish their ways and disperse them!

    (Exactly what happened with Dalamatia after the rebellion, everyone was dispersed)




Sounds like a dispersement of the Sons of God and the progeny. Post rebellion.

and here is a rendition of Adam as seen as Marduk and Caligastia seen as Bel the following describes Adam to a tee and his birth in the Apsu, the second Absu 2nd Absu 1st Eden.



 


  • Bel, cleverest of the clever, sage of the gods, was begotten. (Bel is Caligastia and was created)
    And inside Apsu, Marduk was created; (Marduk is Adam and Apsu in this case is 1st Eden)
    Inside pure Apsu, Marduk was born. (Adam created by God)
    Ea his father created him,
    Damkina his mother bore him.

    He suckled the teats of goddesses; (fed by the Gods and had total communications with them.)
    The nurse reared him filled him with awesomeness. (guided by Angels)
    Proud was his form, piercing his stare, (His look was powerful)
    Mature his emergence, he was powerful from the start. (says it all)
    Anu his father's begetter beheld him, (I feel that was all about Adam)

    And rejoiced, beamed; his heart was filled with joy. (Happy and in relationship with God)
    He made him so perfect that his godhead was doubled. (Positive effect on the Godhead)
    Elevated far above them, he was superior in every way. (Above all in endowment)
    His limbs were ingeniously made beyond comprehension, (Advanced)
    Impossible to understand, too difficult to perceive.
    Four were his eyes, four were his ears; (He could perceive all thoughts and feelings within people)
    When his lips moved, fire blazed forth. (words of power and truth)
    The four ears were enormous (Spiritual perception and spirituality.)
    And likewise the eyes; they perceived everything. (saw and knew)
    Highest among the gods, his form was outstanding. (highest of all)
    His limbs were very long, his height (?) (His height 9 ft tall, outstanding)




Anduruna is certainly another thread to follow.


very interesting
regards
sevens


Hi I found this aspect of the tree of life in the wikipedia on Urartu. It does relate to the thread as the tree of life was present in the first place Dalamatia but because of the rebellion the tree of life was kept in custody and transported near Lake Van By Van.

Here is an excerpt of what I found in the wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urartu

 
  • Urartu (Biainili in Urartian) was an ancient kingdom in eastern Anatolia, centered in the mountainous region around Lake Van (present-day Turkey), which existed from about 1000 BC, or earlier, until 585 BC. The name may correspond to the Biblical Ararat.

    Urartu was often called the "Kingdom of Ararat" in many ancient manuscripts and holy writings of different nations. It was believed to be the site of the Tree of Life and was sought after by various kings in that era.

    here is word search in the UB on Lake Van and Van

    It tells you the whole story of Van and the tree of life and it connection to Dalamatia. The very first time.

    UB Lake Van and Van search


    Here is wikipedia on the tree of life

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_of_life



 

  • Also here is references to the tree of life in ancient Egyptian writings.

    http://ancientegypt.hypermart.net/treeoflife/

    The loss of this Secret inspired another explanation of the Creation of the Universe. There was a primordial ocean called Nun. It wasn't flat; rather it was in the shape of a cosmic egg … and from this cosmic egg was born the primeval hill called Nu.

    Both the egg and the primeval hill are recorded on pictures of Isis in the tombs of the Ancient Egyptian Pharaohs; indicating that Isis was the personification of the Feminine Creation Principle.


The tree of Life is connected to all these places Eden/Dalamatia/island of Maati/Atlantis.

Enjoy the links.
regards
sevens

[ 09-22-2006, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi  
A curiosity

The temple of Heaven in Beijing note the 3 concentric circles. Where did that circle truth come from? Not from any religions we know today. How did they evolve the symbol of the 3 concentric circles around 700BC, 100 years before Plato? Through there own religion of the past?



and the main temple of Heaven. Again the concentric circles. Why? the concentric circles in China? Where did that come from, Was it the perpetuation of the Melchizedeks ensign that persisted in the Shangdi religion



and again the DNA symbol in the Chinese mythology



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangdi


and Tian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tian

Here is what wikipedia says about Shangdi


There you go, a one God religion from 700BC

In the following you have the Vatican layout and its symbolism which is the keyhole of the door and today we know the key. Also note the 2 springs either side of the middle spring, similar to the Acropolis Hill in Eden.

Also its the same representation as in the Mari seal of the Akkadian.

All part of the Sevenfold truth.


Ive added the Vatican connection to the Tablet of Sevens,

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/mari_cultic_stela3.jpg



 


regards
sevens

A recent post regarding the Tao and the Lao Tze religion in China


 



Ahoy!, Yea!
sevens

[ 09-23-2006, 07:04 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Ok Osama Bin Laden is not dead!

So now Bin Laden is not dead now, why print the first story?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14963302/

I have to say he has aged and looks worn out. I suppose when your into the murder business and on the run its only inevitable that you would look like a mess. Spiritual and physical, surely you cant last perpetuating this crap.

I cant really see how this guy would feel good with the evil he has brought on the planet.

Look at all the uncontrolled murder in Iraq which is because of his rubbish, his crap. Look at his legacy, what a disaster legacy for the planet.

Man O man, what evil that guy brought to the planet earth. With all the religious driven killings based on untruth and false doctrine.

I totally agree with the Pope with what He said he doesn't have to apologize at all. He is totally right in what he did. I completely support his actions.


God only knows that Ive been trying to help this religion in my own way, to help them see what was approaching and to try and curb this crap violence but they flat out reject, so I gave up.

I tell you, that particular religion is collapsing within itself and its totally out of control by these stupid people going around justifying there evil actions killing many innocent people, again using Gods name in vain.

God completely forbids what's happening. That why the religion want last in this form. The truth that is discovered by contrast makes the truth stand out even more.


So interesting, In relation to Dalamatia, they saw all of it happen, in the beforehand experience, within 7 days as a demonstration and a fulfillment of the Quran and the UB linked with a beforehand proposal about Dalamatia before discovery. Me thinking at that time, Dalamantia was in one of three places. Even in light of discovery, still they hid behind doctrine and tore down all the beauty that was discovered off the shores of the Persian Gulf by way of deletion.

Fair dinkum it was all documented in time/space. It was truly a demonstration in light of what was proposed and discovered in time/space and it all came to pass. Its was a gift!! A response and confirmation from the highest.

The proposal was made around 9/11 in relation to Dalamatia and then discover 16-17 Sept. . Now I did this not in the name of crappy ego but in the light of truth to demonstrate a better path rather than violence and a path that was linked to Paradise, directly in the physical and spiritual and the key laid of there waters. It came to pass, it was discovered. Incredible!

Anyway I reckon that was the seventh part in Enoch's 10 weeks judgement process in the flow of time/space.

And still like fear hiding behind a wall of doctrine. That's a religion that is in crisis and it will divide.

Far to stubborn and crystallized in the attitude.

Well that's what I reckon about that operation. A disaster one.

It really needs right leadership and guy to lead that religion properly and make it a peaceful religion that can work with other religions.

I don't think the Pope should of apologized at all he should of stuck to his guns and not folded because of a lesser/lower/nothing message response.

sevens


Thanks Nour of Islam,

I pray great blessings for you in this season to.

I pray with all my heart that peace can issue on the planet.

I pray for all people of the planet, for peace in there lives.

I read the news reports, we live in a upside down world and I pray all will work out fine on the road to peace particularly with all the spiritual families.

All the best and have an nice Ramadan and may God surround you with his love, truth, beauty and goodness.

I really mean that with all sincerity and from the heart in brotherhood.

regards
sevens


So now we are in the seventh part of Enoch's 10 week prophecy! which I believe The Seventh part has been identified.

What now is the next leg of the journey???? see what formulates in faith!

regards
sevens


I reckon he is dead as a doornail.

That's why his sidekick does all death and false doctrine presentations.

I reckon Bin Laden has been removed. Somehow I think the noose is tightening on all the evil crap.

Especially for those who kill innocents in the name of God or any death in the name of God.

Also I saw an even more disturbing thing with the Christians.

Apparently there is a fat lady in the US who raising kids to be part of the army of God, its the same thing that happens to many kids in Pakistan's Shania schools. It seems that today that Christian kids are being taught hate against Muslims but in the name of Christianity. Its the same thing in a reverse reaction.

However I think its just another a new generation being brainwashed with doctrines of division taught to hate.

That lady is causing another disaster.

There is nothing more sickening than to seeing a young innocent Christian kids talking in the same terms as these terrorists. Its a real shame to Christianity to be teaching such terrible things in reaction to the rubbish going on overseas. They teaching this they don't now what they are doing.

I have serious doubts about Christianity in the states, sorry I just think they have become very limited and doctrinised and does not fully represent Jesus and his beliefs about the relationship with the Father. Not at all, Its a him against us thing. Nothing to with God.

I reckon they really have to get there act together, seriously. They are not attractive at the moment to attract people to there religion. A poor witness.

regards


So now we are in the seventh part of Enoch's 10 week prophecy! which I believe The Seventh part has been identified.

What now is the next leg of the journey???? see what formulates in faith!

See what uncovers!! from 1stEden/Atlantis/Maati.

You know this is still a great mystery full intrigue and now its from 2 places.

That is quite amazing from the same UB source and in Sumerian texts and all the books.

To me that's is a real spiritual journey of high adventure on the high seas discovering ancients submerged sites of our origins from 2 places.

You can read all about in time past and in the future from all the BC books in parallel with physical discovery. What better testament is that too religion that emanates out a book in tandem with all the books of the past and a testament of the journey on the spiritual/physical realm.

And its bloody normal and relaxed and full of fun in the discovery and search. Personally I can see this being apart of the annals of history, everything that surrounds Eden and Dalamatia and all the personal experiences and what unfolds in the final analysis will the a major Testamony in time/space and the spiritual/physical all guided by simple faith, that's it...

No doctrine no dogma,, all finished. Brings to many wars no peace all but division. There is enough resources here for everyone to be there own priest, individual priest.

No one needs that, that I own you dogma, or you must submit to our purest forms, or else. Everyone can be relaxed about themselves in finding there own truth that doesn't take nothing away from them, let alone there freedom through imposition of doctrine.

Sick of seeing all these dominant factions influencing people with erroneous ideas of rubbish of spiritual maladjustment that can not be substantiated or measured in the best way possible. And if there is any measurement its deleted.

That's it, no one has to be owned by anyone, anymore. We can all think, research and read for ourselves and see the results from every aspect from every individuals prospective. All can be measured and based upon existing information and led through a simple faith thing.

Anyway, its all seem pretty good to me and I am completely impressed how all these discoveries came to pass in the natural curiosity of man, being led by God in the most beautiful way seeing the markers in the texts that were laid and able to share it.

Which is all part of the living mystery of mankind, to share it with mankind, to ad light whilst on the run, to reveal on the run, a phenomena of space time that only the Gods know of. God and man which is intimate, based on the personal individual very much inline with the true teaching Jesus, the Man. His realisation and relationship with the Father of Heaven. All that is personal and initiate in a persons own personal individual way. That is held sacred in Paradise. Personal choice and individuality. The personality and the happiness of the personality, the person. That's concerns God. You know The Love.


regards
sevens

[ 09-24-2006, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Job 28

 
  • 11 He bindeth the floods from overflowing; (filled basin of Mediterranean)  and the thing that is hid bringeth he forth to light. (Submerged Eden discovered bringing to light that which is hid.) Egyptian book of the dead  job 38

    12 But where shall wisdom be found? and where is the place of understanding? (Discovery of Eden and the Sevenfold truth)

    13 Man knoweth not the price thereof; neither is it found in the land of the living.




 

  • Book of Adam and Eve

    10:8 But God said to Adam, "I have made you a promise; when that promise is fulfilled, I will bring you back into the garden, you and your righteous descendants."


another extract

 

  • 14:2 But God the Lord said to Adam, "Indeed I say to you, this darkness will pass from you, every day I have determined for you, until the fulfillment of My covenant; when I will save you and bring you back again into the garden, into the house of light you long for, in which there is no darkness*. I will bring you to it -- in the kingdom of heaven."



 

  • and Jesus of the Essene Papers

    Thou shalt travel the Seven Paths Job 38 "the paths" The 1st Eden connection.
    Of the Infinite Garden,  (1st Eden of Cyprus)
    And thy body, thy heart and thy mind The full revelatory experience.
    Shall join in Oneness The great mystery, The conjunction of knowledge
    In the Sacred Flight to the Heavenly Sea of Peace The Expedition.


regards
sevens


sevens

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Hi Qoasis,

I really enjoyed reading your post, I am very inspired with what you wrote about being in an open classroom, learning as we go forward to discover and explore further. Absolutely only way to go. Truly the path of the Atlantis Gods or better still The Kingdom of Heaven.

Only way to go as the angels are working with all individuals in there own personal way, everyone has there angel. Truly I feel that much confidence and good spirituality will come out of this for mankind and for each of us in our own way. Its like the rebuilding of the temple as we explore truth, beauty and goodness in spirit and in physical.

This forum is the best place to be on the planet Earth/Urantia. This place is like a haven of peace and truth, discovery with open doors for all man of any persuasion. Like the Temple is Open! Doors Open for all. Everyone is invited. Everyone. The temple of Goodness.

I feel the Father just wants to bless us with his beauty of history and origins embedded in space time of which we can reflect upon and just be impressed by everything and the personal experience of finding God in a very meaningful personal way.

That's what its all about Fun Fun Fun in discovering God. Why should it be anything be lesser in the home of God. Its where the Gods play and enjoy the light of truth and God and we are partaking in the food of the Gods of Atlantis which has the full participation of the Paradise Trinity. In other words we are partaking of the Tree of Life as we journey on this. Truly Supernal, sublime and all encompassing.

Honestly, I find it so hard to study things that I should regarding world things. I must admit I am totally absorbed in things of God that surrounds this discovery and the other discovery of Dalamatia. 100% blessed by the experience and I honour Robert Sarmast for his endeavours and sacrifices to make this journey possible. I also honour the Father in Heaven for making the road clear for this totally enjoyable experience that takes nothing way from anyone. Nothing from no one. Yet anyone can participate.

This is journey of the future and all students of education should look to this place as the truth unfolds and feel inspired and relaxed that there is great truth there This place looks to the generations of the future and seeking the leaders that will help fix the planet, into a planet that is worthy of universal induction in the Kingdom fo Heaven.

OOh man, this is good, fair dinkum this is truly the journey of the Paradise Trinity and the whole universe, complete!

Out of this will come many spiritual leaders that will by strengthened by the truth in there own space/time experience in his relationship with the Father of Heaven. Man and future leaders wont be tainted by untruth and temptation of power and such things because man, now and in the future will be imbibed with a greater truth that will connect direct to Paradise and desire not to take advantage of his brother and therefore the planet will be much better off and be administered in a communal sense of brotherhood and sharing and look for each other, as one planet, as a true spiritual brotherhood.

Anyway that what I feel.

Changing the subject

About the great river running out of the east out of Eden, After the flood there was uplift which curtailed the river flow to the east. Its be a great archaeological study to see if in fact there are remnants of the river that connected to the Euphrates. To go out there in Syria and try and find the remains in Syria. Ive looked at it Worldwind and Google and you can see kind of thing where the river flowed and where it connected to the Euphrates.

I might change my subjects to Archaeology and devote it to this place and the other location. I am so inspirited I'm jumping out of my boots.

The eternal wellspring of joy and happiness and we are in the point of truth, The Capstone of our origins.

Big Blessings
sevens


PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:39 am    Post subject:
 
Hi Here are some Babylonian information that gives us a reflections of Adam (Marduk) and the great battle in Eden. To me it represents reflections of Eden and the Flood.


http://www.myths.com/pub/myths/assyrbabyl-faq.html#Adapa>Adapa</a>%20to%20account%20for%20breaking%20the%20wing%20ofthe%20South%20Wind,%20and%20offers%20him%20the%20food%20and%20drink%20of%20eternal%20life%20after<a%20href=

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    Sumerian for "heaven", a sky god, father and king of the gods. He is the son of Anshar and Kishar. He lives in the third heaven. The Eanna in Uruk was dedicated both to him and consort. His first consort was Antu. They produced the Anunnaki - the underworld gods, and the utukki - the seven evil demons. (Is this the creation of the Sons of Gods, the first time and also a reflection of there downfall.) His second consort was Innina (Ishtar). He is a god of monarchs and is not friendly to the common people. He is a "King of the Igigi". He is assigned the sky as his domain in 'Atrahasis'. His 'kishru's (shooting stars) have awesome strength. He has the ability that anything he puts into words, becomes reality. He is Niudimmud's (Ea's) father.

    When Anzu stole the Tablet of Destinies from Ellil, he called for one of the gods to slay Anzu and thereby greatly increase his reputation.

    A refelction of the rebellion and the fall of Adam??


    He gave Marduk (Adam) the four winds to play with. He made a whirlwind and a flood wave and stirred up Tiamat on purpose. When Tiamat's retaliation for Apsu's death was discovered, Anshar sent him on a peace mission to her, but he returned unsuccessfully. He helps form a princely shrine for Marduk prior to his battle with Tiamat, and gives him the Anu-power of decreeing fates, such that his word is law.

    He calls Dumuzi and Gizzida speak on Adapa's behalf.

    He and Earth father the Sebitti. He gives them fearsome fates and powers and puts them at Erra's command, to aid in killing noisy, over-populous people and animals.

    He agrees to send the Bull of Heaven after Gilgamesh on Ishtar's behalf, if she has made sure that the people of Uruk are properly provisioned for seven years. He decrees that either Gilgamesh or Enkidu must die for the slaying of Humbaba and the Bull of Heaven. (Sounds like a decree has been made by the Ancients of Days, is this a prophecy of now, today??) He sends Kakka to Kurnugi to tell Ereshkigal to send a messenger to receive a gift from him. ( a Gift eh!. like a discovery!!)
    (See also the Sumerian An and the Hittite Anus)

    Symbol: sacred shine surmounted by the divine horned cap.
    Sacred number: 60
    Astrological region: heavenly equator
    Sacred animal: the heavenly Bull



Here are some more refelction of flood and all the politics in Eden and what happened there

 

    Ellil (Enlil) - Sumerian for "wind/storm-god".

    Initially the leader of the pantheon, he has since relinquished his spot to Anu. Possible slayer of Enmesharra and avenger of his father Anu. His role in this was upplanted by Marduk by the Babylonians. He is a short-tempered god who was responsible for the great flood. He is the creator of mankind. He is thought to favor and help those in need. He guards the "tablets of destiny", which allow him to determines the fate of all things animate or inanimate. They was once stolen from him by a Zu, a storm- bird (a bird with some human qualities). Thats right the grewat fnadors that could be mounted for flight , like a great big Osterich Bird, here is reflection of the Fandors, the Zu bird. They where highly intelligent and very affectionate.)

    They were recovered and Zu faced judgment by Ellil. His consort is Ninlil, his chief-minister is Nusku. He was also god of the lands and of the earth. He is a "King of the Anunnaki". He was their counselor warrior. He and his people receive the earth in 'Atrahasis'. His temple is Duranki.


    When the Igigi rebelled against him, and surrounded his house and called for Anu. After man was created in response to the Igigi's grievances, he grew weary of their noise and released several disasters upon them, after each one, man recovered and then he released a new one. The disasters included disease, flood, drought, and the great flood. A response of the rebellion.

    He appointed Humbaba to guard the cedar forest and terrify mankind. He decreed that Enkidu must die for the slaying of the Bull of Heaven and Humbaba. He does not answer Gilgamesh's plea to restore Enkidu to life. He found a throne for Etana to rule from in Kish. He appointed Anzu as the guardian of his bath chamber, but while bathing, Anzu stole from him the Tablet of Destinies, and his Ellil-power. Ninurta, with Ea's advise and Belet-ili's urgings slew Anzu and recovered the Tablet of Destinies. (See also the Hittite Ellil)

    Symbol: Seven small circles representing the Pleiades.
    Sacred number: 50
    Astrological region: north of "the way of Anu" ie. 12 degrees north of the equator.



I thought it was interesting. All reflections embedded in the ancient writings. However these tablets emanate from the king city states and the writings do contain all kinds of additions and can be slightly confusing.
However if you know what your looking for you can identify truth with in the texts as markers very easily.

sevens


Hi

I think with all the on demand hydrogen technology going on or todays advancements in Ecars. I feel whoever develops the technology whether it be GM, Ford or another. It should be of world environmental policy which that particular technology should be shared with the rest of the planet where fossil fuels is abandoned and the future technologies are phased in.

I believe that this should happen and will have to be implemented whether we like it or not. Its a matter world survival policy. Honestly I think that the planet is at that point where it needs these technologies and also our health will improve with less cancers.

In addition our cost of living would dramatically reduce thereby all people having a better lifestyle. Any changes in industry man will have have to adapt with new knowledge that opens new industries. Man can learn new things that lead him into new horizons. That can be subsided by the reduction of fuels costs.

I personally think that all world energy that is common to all civilisation should be non profit where all monies are reinvested in infrastructure, distribution, technology and off course the workers of all levels who make it happen.

I think the greed factor of profit motivation has taken this planet down and the system has to be reviewed regarding all common things of mankind.

Unfortunately when man has this kind of power it just goes straight to his head and society has to pay for it in one way or another.

I feel there should be compensation for existing shareholders for industries that are replaced or reduced, like fossil fuels for lubricants only.

All major nations should sign a pact and phase in new technologies of energy ASAP.

Just some thoughts on some planetary alternatives.

I couldn't think of anything better than taking the power plug of my ecar going for a drive with all the power I need. Its quite, comfortable, doesn't rattle with noise and pollution. Think how much clearer we would think and its dirt cheap.

Why do we need fossil fuels??

regards
Sevens

[ 09-24-2006, 08:48 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

 


Another thing, what this industry of carbon credits, making money of Carbon, if we changed industry there would be no need for such a thing. It almost sounds ludicrous making money on pollution?? That kills us, that were fed with everyday for what? profit?

Isn't that upside down and illogical?

Personally I would like to see a whole range of new technologies used for all kinds of things. The third word completely up stepped in free technologies cleaning water and supplying hot houses or whatever for food and clean water. Also all the education revamped all paid for by the planet from the reduction of Fuel costs and the people helped in education in technology and growing new foods and really an advanced world. Word economics should be revamped so it just fair without compound interest, I'm not sure about interest upon interest, debt upon debt. Man cannot be enslaved in a lifetime of debt control in worry and stress.

I would think simple low interest debt is better than compound interest.


Man can pay of debt Quick. A get a house quick paid for or built for him by housing subsides at a fixed simple interst rate component.

Like 100,000 dollar house he pays 10% simple interest he 10,000 in interest over the life of the loan not 300,000 over the life.

Personally I feel no interest but perhaps a community contribution or something put back in society, like helping other people build houses.

Banks should only be a facility of non profit where they are a service to man and not the Banks controlling man and his future destiny by debt.

Banks and Energy should all non profit only here as a service to man not to make profit on his life.

I'm not sure how people feel about that??

Man has to be as free as a bird, for many to own a house is important and should be made available quick and easily obtained which is important se he has a sense self worth and belonging through family stress free. High debt holds him back from that more so than ever before.


regards
sevens


PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:16 am    Post subject:
 
Hi HST

I was thinking about Dilmun in Bahrain. Here is a option search I did about a year or so. I had it pegged to 3 places but wasn't quite sure of the location. still there was doubt I felt about Bahrain as the absolute place.

Here is a few early links

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamantia_option1.htm

I thuoght in this link the actuual city could of been on the Quay beetween The Island and the mainland. Makes all sense as it does have a southern shoreline on the quay. But then the sea levels where very much lower. Kind of goes against the idea. Its a worthy contender.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia_option2.htm

In the following link I also felt there was something there in the Google picture. I could never discount the area or lower Mesopotamia.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia_option3.htm

But then when I found this. Well that just convinced and when you consider there a number odf settlements of the same family form the Persian gulf that has perputated over the years, all these settlements of the Nodites around the Persian Gulf would of had there own version or place of Dilmun close by which it was. Maybe.

The Urantia Book says there where 3 Dilmuns.

1 Dilmun the present location in the above location.
2. Dilmun close to Erech (I think) In Mesopotamia, on land.
3, Third Dilmun on Bahrain or close to it maybe submerged or where the present city is.

Here is word search for Dilmun in The UB'

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=dilmun&submit=Submit

Note the following reference.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper77.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper77.html&line=96#mfs

 

    The elaborate records left by the Sumerians describe the site of a remarkable settlement which was located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun.

    The Egyptians called this city of ancient glory Dilmat, while the later Adamized Sumerians confused both the first and second Nodite cities with Dalamatia and called all three Dilmun. And already have archaeologists found these ancient Sumerian clay tablets which tell of this earthly paradise "where the Gods first blessed mankind with the example of civilized and cultured life."

    And these tablets, descriptive of Dilmun, the paradise of men and God, are now silently resting on the dusty shelves of many museums.


 

    "located on the Persian Gulf near the earlier city of Dilmun"


That's what I mean, this location could be Dilmun and Dalamatia could be further to the west. Its 50/50% unless we can see further blue tiling of the western ancient headwaters of the rivers, truly the city of the Gods in the land between 2 rivers, the land of the ancient Sumerians.

or could Dilmun be to the East in this location.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/dilmun.jpg



Dalamatia Overview



Also Dalamatia is linked to the tree of life and the 3 concentric circles.


Regards

sevens


It would make a big difference for the planet if we had these ecars and even delved in to anti gravity like in stars wars using a small amount of anti matter or something to repel gravity.

Perhaps create a force against gravity. mm I wonder, could that ever get off the ground?? Like that would be our new flying machines.

I must say there was lead in the UB regarding an unknown energy at that time in 1934.

I was following the thread which led me into the ultimatum which make up the electron and is separated in three levels relating to spin cycle and weight of each ultimatum. I think there was a relationship between spin cycle and heat or something?

I'm not sure III have to do a restudy on that and try and find that relationship that could to the discovery of that unknown energy I suspect it could be related to Fusion.

The UB is good that way where it gives you clues and then you back engineer. assuming the outcome related to certain events under certain conditions. Its the understanding of these minute particles assuming the info is correct which gives us the thread for the exploration of the discovery.

sevens

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It would make a big difference for the planet if we had these ecars and even delved in to anti gravity like in stars wars using a small amount of anti matter or something to repel gravity.

Perhaps create a force against gravity. mm I wonder, could that ever get off the ground?? Like that would be our new flying machines.

I must say there was lead in the UB regarding an unknown energy at that time in 1934.

I was following the thread which led me into the ultimatum which make up the electron and is separated in three levels relating to spin cycle and weight of each ultimatum. I think there was a relationship between spin cycle and heat or something?

I'm not sure III have to do a restudy on that and try and find that relationship that could to the discovery of that unknown energy I suspect it could be related to Fusion.

The UB is good that way where it gives you clues and then you back engineer. assuming the outcome related to certain events under certain conditions. Its the understanding of these minute particles assuming the info is correct which gives us the thread for the exploration of the discovery.

Here is a little clue, a thread

 
  • Ub link
  • 8. ATOMIC COHESION
    While gravity is one of several factors concerned in holding together a tiny atomic energy system, there is also present in and among these basic physical units a powerful and unknown energy, the secret of their basic constitution and ultimate behavior, a force which remains to be discovered on Urantia. This universal influence permeates all the space embraced within this tiny energy organization.



Well its a start

What's there behaviour and basic units, Like how are the constructed. What is that unknown energy that permeates all space?? What could it be?

ok so its

 

  • The interelectronic space of an atom is not empty. Throughout an atom this interelectronic space is activated by wavelike manifestations which are perfectly
    synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions.

    This force is not wholly dominated by your recognized laws of positive and negative attraction;


    its behavior is therefore sometimes unpredictable. This unnamed influence seems to be a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute

    I hate to get all sevens but is this a clue to that unknown energy

    sevenfold electronic organization of prematter.

    The number seven is basic to the central universe and the spiritual system of inherent transmissions of character, but the number ten, the decimal system, is inherent in energy, matter, and the material creation. Nevertheless the atomic world does display a certain periodic characterization which recurs in groups of seven--a birthmark carried by this material world indicative of its far-distant spiritual origin.


You know it could an indication to measurement of 7 ,s and tens. Maybe a physicist can work this outcome perhaps in measuring in these numbers and then relate them to a formula that measures the outcome of certain conditions of the ultimaton perhaps in a of greater spin accerleration which generate greater velocity approaching the speed of light and even greater perhaps. That under speed cycles an outcome of energy is generated. maybe!

So rather than smashing the ultimatom, we simply speed it up. thus creating a energy vortex that repells gravity, anti gravity effect. The spin cycle increased is made in the measurement of the decimal system in 10 but maybe there is a reoccurring effect in 7's. This could follow the fundamentals of creation in ancestery and can possibly manifest in this way.

A little imagination why not!

Hey if it helps the planet, I dont care looking into this and get some thoughts going on it. You never know we could change the planet from this point by sharing our thoughts.


again persisting further, could the secret lay in the fundamental energy

 

  • Such a fact of the physical world unmistakably points to the sevenfold constitution of ancestral energy and is indicative of the fundamental reality of the sevenfold diversity of the creations of time and space


so looking at it further based on this

interelectronic space is activated by wavelike manifestations which are perfectly
synchronized with electronic velocity and ultimatonic revolutions.


If we speed up the electronic revolutions of the ultimaton by a factor 10 and then ultimatonic revolutions by a factor of 7 we could have an outcome that could be measurable if the combination is in harmony with the wave like manifestation of the a space-force reaction of the Unqualified Absolute. If that is attained then you have a space force reaction.

Haha, A space force reaction, its related to electronic and ultimatonic revolutions.

Its to do with speed and electronic. mmm!


Im realising this is a huge study, any scientists out there want to have a bash?

I hope you dont mind this thread Falling sky. If you like Im quite happy to move it.


sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 01:12 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Continuing the study on new energy perhaps
web page
 
  • In Orvonton it has never been possible naturally to assemble over one hundred orbital electrons in one atomic system. When one hundred and one have been artificially introduced into the orbital field, the result has always been the well-nigh instantaneous disruption of the central proton with the wild dispersion of the electrons and other liberated energies.

    While atoms may contain from one to one hundred orbital electrons, only the outer ten electrons of the larger atoms revolve about the central nucleus as distinct and discrete bodies, intactly and compactly swinging around on precise and definite orbits. The thirty electrons nearest the center are difficult of observation or detection as separate and organized bodies.

    This same comparative ratio of electronic behavior in relation to nuclear proximity obtains in all atoms regardless of the number of electrons embraced.

    The nearer the nucleus, the less there is of electronic individuality.

    The wavelike energy extension of an electron may so spread out as to occupy the whole of the lesser atomic orbits; especially is this true of the electrons nearest the atomic nucleus


food for thought about this unknown energy!

regards
sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 01:39 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Continuing the study on new energy perhaps

web page
 
  • In Orvonton it has never been possible naturally to assemble over one hundred orbital electrons in one atomic system. When one hundred and one have been artificially introduced into the orbital field, the result has always been the well-nigh instantaneous disruption of the central proton with the wild dispersion of the electrons and other liberated energies.

    While atoms may contain from one to one hundred orbital electrons, only the outer ten electrons of the larger atoms revolve about the central nucleus as distinct and discrete bodies, intactly and compactly swinging around on precise and definite orbits. The thirty electrons nearest the center are difficult of observation or detection as separate and organized bodies.

    This same comparative ratio of electronic behavior in relation to nuclear proximity obtains in all atoms regardless of the number of electrons embraced.

    The nearer the nucleus, the less there is of electronic individuality.

    The wavelike energy extension of an electron may so spread out as to occupy the whole of the lesser atomic orbits; especially is this true of the electrons nearest the atomic nucleus


So all we have to do add an extra electron to the field to get disruption and an energy wave will emit and other energies. A wavelike energy extension a space force reaction.]

we have to learn more about the ultimaton

here is a word search for Ultimaton from the UB

Ub Ultimaton link Shows you the potential of the ultimaton

 

  • These solar temperatures operate to enormously speed up the ultimatons and the electrons, at least such of the latter as continue to maintain their existence under these conditions. You will realize what high temperature means by way of the acceleration of ultimatonic and electronic activities when you pause to consider that one drop of ordinary water contains over one billion trillions of atoms. This is the energy of more than one hundred horsepower exerted continuously for two years. The total heat now given out by the solar system sun


So we have a measurement of one drop of water has an output of 100 horsepower over 2 years everyday

Its the ultimaton that pervades all of space and is linked to Paradise and its influence.


 

  • Atoms and electrons are subject to gravity. The ultimatons are not subject to local gravity, the interplay of material attraction, but they are fully obedient to absolute or Paradise gravity, to the trend, the swing, of the universal and eternal circle of the universe of universes. Ultimatonic energy does not obey the linear or direct gravity attraction of near-by or remote material masses, but it does ever swing true to the circuit of the great ellipse of the far-flung creation.



The ultimaton must be anti gravity as it does not respond to gravity. Its independent of it.. The wavelike manifestation must derive from this anti matter connection that is influenced by electronic speed and axial revelutions. What can influence anti matter??

here may be a clue

 

  • The power centers and their associates are much concerned in the work of transmuting the ultimaton into the circuits and revolutions of the electron.

    These unique beings control and compound power by their skillful manipulation of the basic units of materialized energy, the ultimatons.

    They are masters of energy as it circulates in this primitive state. In liaison with the physical controllers they are able to effectively control and direct energy even after it has transmuted to the electrical level, the so-called electronic stage.

    But their range of action is enormously curtailed when electronically organized energy swings into the whirls of the atomic systems.

    Upon such materialization, these energies fall under the complete grasp of the drawing power of linear gravity.


You probably have to go back to the back fundamentals, it about the ultimaton and its energy systems and its revolutions.

Tesla as mentioned by Falling Sky hit on it.

In the following could be a clue to the calculation as mentioned above.

 

  • The quantity of energy taken in or given out when electronic or other positions are shifted is always a "quantum" or some multiple thereof,

    but the vibratory or wavelike behavior of such units of energy is wholly determined by the dimensions of the material structures concerned. Such wavelike energy ripples are 860 times the diameters of the ultimatons, electrons, atoms, or other units thus performing.

    The never-ending confusion attending the observation of the wave mechanics of quantum behavior is due to the superimposition of energy waves:

    Two crests can combine to make a double-height crest, while a crest and a trough may combine, thus producing mutual cancellation.


ah ah

In the following is the mention of antigravity and the three things that influence the Ultimaton.

 

  • The ultimatons, unknown on Urantia, slow down through many phases of physical activity before they attain the revolutionary-energy prerequisites to electronic organization.

    Ultimatons have three varieties of motion: mutual resistance to cosmic force, individual revolutions of antigravity potential, and the intraelectronic positions of the one hundred mutually interassociated ultimatons.


Ok it must be related to the orbital position of certain ultimatons and varying of there positions that unleashes its anti gravity potential??

I wonder if that can be electronicaly stimulated by increasing or descresing the spin resulting in desnser matter and incresinfg the spin you create anti matter effect, in effect transmuting energy or even matter. Maybe this can be achieved using electromagnetics. Note that its fequency varies bu Quantum by 10. Another clue.

Ok we move a little further

 

  • Mutual attraction holds one hundred ultimatons together in the constitution of the electron; and there are never more nor less than one hundred ultimatons in a typical electron.

    The loss of one or more ultimatons destroys typical electronic identity, thus bringing into existence one of the ten modified forms of the electron.




The loss of one or more ultimaton destroys one electronic signature to create 10 more modified forms of electrons, sounds like creation and matter manipulation through the axial revolutions speeds and the distance of its orbit from the nucleus.

By adding one or more ultimaton you have a disruption however by varying the orbits of the ultimaton you have space force reaction that could be controlled.

Here is some info about the characteristics of the ultimaton

 

  • Ultimatons do not describe orbits or whirl about in circuits within the electrons, but they do spread or cluster in accordance with their axial revolutionary velocities, thus determining the differential electronic dimensions.

    This same ultimatonic velocity of axial revolution also determines the negative or positive reactions of the several types of electronic units.

    The entire segregation and grouping of electronic matter, together with the electric differentiation of negative


here is some more

 

  • The electronic axial revolutions and their orbital velocities about the atomic nucleus are both beyond the human imagination, not to mention the velocities of their component ultimatons. The positive particles of radium fly off into space at the rate of ten thousand miles a second, while the negative particles attain a velocity approximating that of light



and

 

  • The first twenty-seven atoms, those containing from one to twenty-seven orbital electrons, are more easy of comprehension than the rest.

    From twenty-eight upward we encounter more and more of the unpredictability of the supposed presence of the Unqualified Absolute.

    But some of this electronic unpredictability is due to differential ultimatonic axial revolutionary velocities and to the unexplained "huddling" proclivity of ultimatons.

    Other influences--physical, electrical, magnetic, and gravitational--also operate to produce variable electronic behavior.

    Atoms therefore are similar to persons as to predictability. Statisticians may announce laws governing a large number of either atoms or persons but not for a single individual atom or person.


There are many clues in this paper.



Ok scientists here is your challenge.


food for thought about this unknown energy!

Gee I wish I had some money to finance an anti matter energy device. It would lead to energy utopia. But I feel this energy will be reserved for the new world. Don't know!

regards
sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 03:05 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


A little information about anti gravity

UB link

UB link

 
  • Not all of these orders are persons in the sense of possessing individual powers of choice. Especially do the last four seem to be wholly automatic and mechanical in response to the impulses of their superiors and in reaction to existing energy conditions. But though such response appears wholly mechanistic, it is not; they may seem to be automatons, but all of them disclose the differential function of intelligence.

    Personality is not necessarily a concomitant of mind. Mind can think even when deprived of all power of choice, as in numerous of the lower types of animals and in certain of these subordinate physical controllers.

    Many of these more automatic regulators of physical power are not persons in any sense of the term. They are not endowed with will and independence of decision, being wholly subservient to the mechanical perfection of design for the tasks of their allotment.

    Nonetheless all of them are highly intelligent beings.

    The physical controllers are chiefly occupied in the adjustment of basic energies undiscovered on Urantia. These unknown energies are very essential to the interplanetary system of transport and to certain techniques of communication. When we lay lines of energy for the purpose of conveying sound equivalents or of extending vision, these undiscovered forms of energy are utilized by the living physical controllers and their associates. These same energies are also, on occasion, used by the midway creatures in their routine work



This unknown energy is something else, This is utopian energy. We would live in utopia having this energy available. Looks like this energy works in conjunction with personality.

More info in the following.

 

  • The associators are the first group of life to appear on an organizing material sphere, and they can function at physical temperatures which you would regard as utterly incompatible with the existence of living beings. They represent an order of life which is simply beyond the range of human imagination. Together with their co-workers, the dissociators, they are the most slavish of all intelligent creatures.

    6. Secondary Dissociators. Compared with the primary associators, these beings of enormous antigravity endowment are the reverse workers. There is never any danger that the special or modified forms of physical energy on the local worlds or in the local systems will be exhausted, for these living organizations are endowed with the unique power of evolving limitless supplies of energy. They are chiefly concerned with the evolution of a form of energy which is hardly known on Urantia from a form of matter which is recognized still less. They are truly the alchemists of space and the wonder-workers of time. But in all the wonders they work, they never transgress the mandates of Cosmic Supremacy.


What is that matter, the ultimaton? Also is mentioned a reverse action by the Dissociators. So the reverse the ultimaton speed through increasing the speed of the ultimaton and its axial revolutions.

regards
sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 03:32 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]



An interesting UB link

 
  • There now flashes through the creation of the Gods the second form of energy, and this outflowing spirit is instantly grasped by the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son.

    Thus the twofold gravity-embraced universe is touched with the energy of infinity and immersed in the spirit of divinity.

    In this way is the soil of life prepared for the consciousness of mind made manifest in the associated intelligence circuits of the Infinite Spirit.


There to be another energy manifesting throughout the universe. That is very intriguing.

regards
sevens


An interesting UB link

 
  • There now flashes through the creation of the Gods the second form of energy, and this outflowing spirit is instantly grasped by the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son.

    Thus the twofold gravity-embraced universe is touched with the energy of infinity and immersed in the spirit of divinity.

    In this way is the soil of life prepared for the consciousness of mind made manifest in the associated intelligence circuits of the Infinite Spirit.


Here is a search for Physical energy

web page

Another energy manifesting throughout the universe. That is very intruiging.

 

  • Mathematics, material science, is indispensable to the intelligent discussion of the material aspects of the universe, but such knowledge is not necessarily a part of the higher realization of truth or of the personal appreciation of spiritual realities.

    Not only in the realms of life but even in the world of physical energy, the sum of two or more things is very often something more than, or something different from, the predictable additive consequences of such unions.


    The entire science of mathematics, the whole domain of philosophy, the highest physics or chemistry, could not predict or know that the union of two gaseous hydrogen atoms with one gaseous oxygen atom would result in a new and qualitatively superadditive substance--liquid water.

    The understanding knowledge of this one physiochemical phenomenon should have prevented the development of materialistic philosophy and mechanistic cosmology


regards
sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 04:15 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


I moved the post to hydrogen it was getting to long and I felt I was crowding your thread.

In the following thread further down is some thoughts and research and antimatter energy, the energy of uptopia.

http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=13;t=000083;p=1#000005

I was inspired by your thread which led me in this direction.

all the best sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 06:33 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi Falling sky, I enjoyed the links but was very alarmed how the dumbing of students is occurring.

I know that the same thing is happening with religion to. People are being taught stupid things that hail from no point of truth at all in the scripts. All but nothing in the way of evidence with their notions. I challenge them all of there ideas regarding many things.

It could be part of some spiritual conspiracy I'm not sure but I know the dumbing of religionists is more evident even in the light of truth and discovery.

Personally I think religions should stick only to spirituality in improving the soul of man, not to influence education because its says something difference in there doctrine which we know is faulty or does contain limited perceptions particularly in data.

Like the literal account of the creation story replacing evolution. The whole story is an account of creation evolving over time as we pass through each day. Like a creative process through a evolutionary process of time. Its both.

Ive been on these Christian and Moslem forums with the evidence and explanations but they all ban you particularly the Christian sites, they are the most aggressive and when you look at the posts you just shake your head to there limited ideas and unrealism that makes no sense. Even in the worlds of God.

Anyway I know I follow the UB and look for similar commonalities in all the religious books of the world, However the difference there is there is very strong attempt to present the science in addition to the content of spirituality. To bring some balance and realism.

The fundamentalist Churches have to get real and realistic and accept discovery and in word and the evidence. Unless they humble themselves in there error, they will keep on going until we have a complete disaster because of a failure to see, read and accept the truth as it can be measured.

Why even Genesis clearly describes this creative/evolutionary process over time, even the ancient Sumerians subscribed to this process.

In these days you have Christians in light of this are being made dumb because of bias and prejudice in there attitude and doctrines thus failing to see and accept the truth.

So in light of science they become absolutely stupid and worse still there children become even more stupid. It becomes a generation of dumb religionists guided by things and truths that have error and is incomplete.

Well Eden and Dalamatia dispels all this stupidity when it come to religion. It flies in there face they either accept or the become pride filled an keep on going erroneously.

If religions would drop that better than thou or the I know all attitude and the embrace today's science in conjunction with all the information that is available and see and explore the truth. I think we are heading into a world of disaster currently.

They should separate Church and State period. We see the disastrous results for world peace, because its all because of bloody religion guiding this disaster of mankind. Its all about the religion.

Churches these days in what they teach needs over hauling in light of what is being discovered.

Anyway I know what I say makes no difference, lets see what the evidence says eventually.

All the wars today are guided by stupid and dumb religion, They have failed in there duty of care, miserably, utterly failed in there attitude towards another.

And provoking these wars perpetuating there name brand agenda by provoking the other. Shameful and then have the gaul to preach all the rubbish that Jesus does not agree with, at all.

I say to the Churches and there knowledge, Get your act together!

Gee just look at the knowledge of antimatter in the above, that's religion and science working together to discover antimatter and its purposes for the future world. However this energy is powerful and the planet has to be more spiritual and re aligned in truth before the energy can be given. Because we are spiritually not ready for this energy in our current bias and prejudice.

That's both worlds working together, science and spirituality, the maturity of the Gods. Its like with the discovery of Eden or Atlantis and eventually the expedition to Dalamatia is all the work of science and realistic religion working together, a harmonisation of truths on different levels or dimensions.

All the best
sevens


Just looking at the Antimatter research.

If the planet could develop this technology by following the leads in the UB we could achieve the technique of drawing useful and clean energy from antimatter.

The energy source of the Gods of creation. Remembering this world of creation is of matter which is the opposite to anti matter. Every ultimaton has antimatter not mention the electron.

I feel there would be a easy technique and devices that could be built to harness this energy from the atmosphere which is full of antimatter within the electron, within the ultimaton.

All man would have to is love one another properly full of Gods love and we would all live on a world that would be energy with no real cost except in manufacturing and distribution appliances.

Everything would run on this antimatter and its space force potential. The benefits are no wastage, no cost, clean, never ending, Its all part of creation energy, sevenfold manifestation.

A clean world, clean water, clean food, housing for all run independently by anti matter. Giving mankind, all that he needs, the basics and would give man more time for leisure, family and enable him to aspire to higher things in life.

No energy companies in the way we know them today and its profit making motivation. No one will be riding on the backs of other because there is no need to. Everyone will be happy and comfortable and will be devoting there time to creative projects for the benefit of mankind.

This goes for everyone, anywhere, no matter who.

This I believe this is where we are heading to. It will be a utopian world and is in line prophecy of the past.

There will be no problems and energy will be the least of our problems.

We wont have to slave for a living just to survive and pay bills. It wont be anything quite like we have today.

It will be like heaven on earth with no worries because there will be a global government that will have all resources to help uplift man on the physical. This government will be guided by individuals who desire to do good for man and not be selfish unto himself. Also there will Paradise representative to help us through this transition not to mention while new retune of Angels in the physical.

It will be partly angelic world and material world. You know what I mean, to 2 dimensions will be closer together because of greater spirituality and truth.

However the thing that has to be dealt with is the truth of man and his soul. Man with evil or selfish intentions will not be apart of this world. No way man. But we can look forward to a great future and a stress free life having all the basics at very little cost if at all.

It will be a stark contrast to the absolute rubbish we see today. I tell you in comparison to all the evil, this new world will be not be like this world. What we see today will be totally forgotten, it will seem like a very bad dream mankind has just went through.

Man has always known there was free energy but he is bent on profit and selfishness and decided that man could not have this energy.

This is where the problem is, man evil intent to get something for nothing and to control it at the cost of others.

Look at the energy companies that are privatised. Why have the profit margin in there when we can own it and make it cheaper. Energy companies that are privately owned don't care about the consumer that's just propaganda.

All they care about is profits. Like why have toll privately owned toll roads. Why should there be any profit in this kind of infrastructure when we can own it ourselves and run it at a cheaper cost. They don't invest in infrastructure if there is no money in it, even if it provided a good service for a few.

That's why there should no profit in energy when it for free from anti matter a gift from the Gods


regards
sevens


We really do live in a upside world now.

Even the heads of the world doing deals to condoning torture.

Bloody useless government aren't they smart enough to extract information. There just impatience again wanting quick results.

I'm appalled in light of discovery and here is bloody government talking about torture, its all bullshit the whole conflict especially when you know and discover the real truth that lays in the waters. Its so bloody easy to know the truth and to live it and you see this going on. Fair dinkum just pisses me off something chronic.

I wouldn't be surprised if religion is in the background somewhere creating all this. Its just full of hypocrisy the whole lot of it. Its all just so wayward and weak. All the leaders are not activating to the real sublime truth appearing however there all activating to the truth of crap in there actions and words.

Then you have the politicians bantering to the religious right who have failed dismally in there manifestation of truth, all divided full of error with mainly judgmental doctrines not even living to the words Jesus in simple faith and goodwill in simplicity.

All of them, everyone of them have failed and do represent a bad witness to the religion of Jesus, not about him, of him.

Show me a good leader who is really connected and knows his religion in real truth and manifestation. I cant find not one.

There is non around! There all sucked in.

Personally, I think the Paradise Trinity is NOT happy with these kinds of religions, not at all. These judgmental better than thou religions who impose there will upon others through fear off doctrine. They will utter fail and will not be allowed into the kingdom of heaven if they persist in this imposition of will with error.

A normal individual who goes about his daily business no matter who with willingness to do the right thing in accordance to what is right within his soul, as it speaks to him in truth and manifest it that builds and uplifts his fellow man. Has far better chance of entry and he doesn't even have proclaim a thing. Because its the results of his actions that speak louder than words.

That's what Gods sees, these things of value, spiritual value not the crap and bad results that come out of mans mouth.

Well I'm certainly glad that the Paradise Trinity totally respects free choice, liberty of the individual, even though it comes to the place man has full choice to explore his truth in his life and need not to be held back by any human mad or created doctrine.

The truth of Jesus in real truth is all representative of that.

Fair dinkum, liberty of the spiritual in truth beauty and goodness and nothing lesser. And let no one take anything away from anyone, let alone there love and family and there inner beliefs.

regards
sevens
 


You know we could be all approaching the final resolve in the matter of the rebellion with all these important discoveries of our origins I believe are part of the great mystery of man unfolding.

Its a huge mystery and has been all on the run in space time.

What can I say its all part of the Testamony of man in his journey in the search of Eden that led to the secondary discovery of the first original place of the Gods that descended to earth to tech man but ultimately failed in there duty of care some 150,000 years ago.

As a witness to all this I feel these are the signs of a great transition and every part of this time/space experience is all very much involved in Jesus and his new world to come.

Take heart for changes I feel are on the way on all levels of knowledge and understanding. Just know the Paradise Trinity is involved in these operations and they are very close to the heart of the Father in the kingdom of heaven.

The Father of all his children on earth.

We could in the face of the great resolve that could literally lead us into a utopian world of something you wouldn't believe. Full of love and free energy b that is clean run by antimatter , the creative wonder powers of the Gods.

This world will be only reserved for those with faith, simple faith in the message of love for one another, its a time for simple self reflection upon ones own inner soul and its true loving connection with the Father of all.

all the best
sevens


The Lost City of Dalamatia

Discovered on the 16-17th September 06.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/

The Seventh Part, Is this prophecy fulfilling itself? Is this the seventh part in Enoch's 10 weeks and The sevenfold in Isaiah.

The actual discovery of the home of the Gods, the physical residence of the Sevenfold. The discovery of it and the realisation of it.

If all stacks up in parallel with the Worldwind bathymetric tiling. This could be real big and could have major consequences, That's 2 locations of direct origins, Eden discovered and Dalamatia within 2 years and the second expedition to Eden on the eve of Dalamatia being discovered.

Only the Paradise Trinity could bring this about in time/space.

Its a real living Testamony. Its all part of the ark of his Testamony.
yea!
sevens

[ 09-25-2006, 06:40 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Thanks Big Fat Flurry Texan,

Thanks for the response, Ah! I just get so annoyed with it all with what I see. Honestly there is no reason why we have to live in a world like this, that is in such a bad state of error. On all levels.

I just hope someone takes some real leadership somewhere but I have my doubts about it all. I'm not sure whether man himself is actually capable of improving things. Maybe its all to far over the edge.

Something has to get better somewhere. I mean there is allot stuff going on where does it lead to in the final analysis?? See what happens, everyday is a new day, different developments.

I have to laugh, you there are no virgins in heaven. This is the only time we are sex creatures. Its the only time in our eternal future that we actually are capable of part making babies. They don't know what there on about at all. Again another complete error of doctrine guided by lust that makes people want to kill the innocent people. What type of religion is that, a terrible one full of false doctrine in respect to that particular point. Anyway I don't think I could get around 72 virgins unless I was superman or something.

All lust and a quick way out when they perform this killing rubbish for 72 virgins that don't exist and counts for nothing except great sorrow in both camps. Good Muslims who think like us deserve much better than all that false teaching about virgins.

Although in saying this for those who by reason of physical impairment or no opportunity there is compensations in heaven for those who totally miss out of the total experience of a human. I think Heaven is pretty cool, however heaven does not consider those who have opportunity but throw it away for some erroneous idea for example in killing others or forcing there will on others. No way man, there is one way and that is to do good for others unconditionally. absolutely unconditional. Like a good friend you can rely on.

Take care and all the best and regards
from oz land

sevens


Falling sky , I really enjoyed the information relating to all the different type of low cost clean engines. It was quite an assortment, it only shows you that when is unhindered and left to think and create , its amazing the results he gets.

It was incredible to see this record before the oil and car companies wiped them out and put there technology in the closet. Out of touch from the rest of mankind.

Falling sky if I had the money I would set up a non profit organisation propose a joint venture with Joes ecar in development and upgrades. It would be company that would not be controlled by directors as we know it who are in it for the money.

It would be company that could not be brought or sold but run as non profit organisation where profits are reinvested back into the company in the way of R&D. For the welfare of the purchasers and costs, Distribution would be through existing working factories who would provide an extra service in addition to there normal operations.

Slimline company, not top heavy and not used as a gravy train by the directors and profit hungry animals who are mostly are lazy. Not all. Present companies these days are just revolving doors for such like directors who are only in it for the money and couldn't give a damn for the rest.

Anyway that's a little proposal of the future, even though its fictional you never know some money might like it and get some action going on.

All I know if this non profit company was set up upgrading and developing the ecar, you watch the car companies would panic.

They would 2 things, destroy the idea as the costs would be to cheap for them compete or go with the flow by getting this technology out there.

One way or another fossil fuels will have to go. Its to dirty and inefficient and it destroys the planet. In how many years? within a hundred years we have this , in 200 years we will have nothing left if we persist.

Even though man close to antimatter with respect to energy, his spirit is not right nor ready for the energy of the Gods.

Currently man is to lazy and money hungry for that. Plus it will be an energy that will not be under the controls of wrong people.

That's probably why transitional change is occurring and on the way.

I just feel there is big correction on the way for these multi Transnationals companies. Particularly the ones that are fronts for religions and secret societies.

Anyway there may be an idea in there somewhere, Instead of just talking about , I'm trying to come up with some solutions. Maybe if there is a money guy he can get it going.

If you like the lead go for it.

If had the money I would do it or get it going. Doing something rather than nothing, least with ideas. It all comes from ideas and then the will. But there has to be a cohesive vision which consistent to the survival of the planet.

regards
sevens

[ 09-26-2006, 02:54 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


 



 [QUOTE] Over the next few years mankind will be subjected to the possibility of universal knowing on a scale that could only be called a "revelation." Soon we may all learn that all those ancient words that our ancestors were in awe of will suddenly come into a living understanding that will cause a new birth [/QUOTE]

absolutely, if all is right and true in discovery for sure. I hope so, the planet really needs some healing including all of us. Apparently if we don't change our ways we only have abut 50 years before it gets real bad. If by chance we transition now we can stop it in 50 years.
I hope for good change Orion 100%

I hope you're on to it actually I hope were all on to it in our own for all our sakes.

regards Sevens


I thought this was interesting

http://www.paleoanthro.org/abst2002.htm
  • its from a link Boreasi submitted in the Archaeology thread.

    I found the found quite intruiging. It gives us an insight to peopel from long ago.

     

    quote:


    Executive functions of the frontal lobes and the evolutionary ascendancy of Homo
    sapiens
    F. L. Coolidge1 and T. Wynn2
    1Psychology Department, P.O. Box 7150, University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, Colorado Springs, CO 80933-7150, U.S.A.
    2Anthropology Department, P.O. Box 7150, University of Colorado at Colorado Springs, Colorado Springs, CO 80933-7150, U.S.A.


    A core question of cognitive archaeology is the evolution of modern thinking. We postulate that a cluster of specific cognitive abilities, “executive functions,” may have been one of the key acquisitions that led to the development of modern thinking.

    Executive functions are currently viewed as the ability to maintain an appropriate problem solving set for the attainment of a future goal.

    Although executive functions are presumed to rely on the cognitive domains of language, attention, and memory, they are not thought to be synonymous with them. Executive functions are also thought to consist of decision-making abilities, sequential memory, organization and planning, and retrospective and prospective thinking.

    Recent research (Coolidge et al., 2001) suggests that executive functions are highly heritable. Their neural substrate has been demonstrated to be the frontal/prefrontal cortex with intercortical and subcortical connections.

    Thus, a relatively simple mutation in the genes controlling frontal lobe architecture or functioning would have potentially profound effects on cognition, language, and emotional/social functioning.

    Monaco et al. (2001) found evidence for a genetic basis for language tense, although it is not known whether the gene is specific to language or represents a more general brain mechanism.


    Examination of the archaeological record reveals evidence of sophisticated sequential memory abilities and advanced organization and planning at least [B] 40,000 to 60,000 years ago, and probably earlier (Coolidge & Wynn, 2001).


    Could the relatively sudden ascendancy of Homo sapiens (over approximately 30 to 100 millennia) have been due to a genetic mutation resulting in an enhancement in executive functions?

    Did the displacement capacity of language develop because it “piggybacked” upon this mutation? Was this the cognitive development that allowed fully retrospective and prospective thinking, i.e., modern thought?

    These speculations and evidence for them are expanded upon in the full paper.


Hi

I'm really fascinated with antimatter and its possible uses as utopian energy for the planet. It appears that that there is still many unknowns about antimatter because we probably know little about what makes up an electron.

Here is the wikipedia thoughts on Antimatter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter

here is another link

http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/index.html

Also here is the Urantia Book thoughts on the Ultimation and how they make up the electron. It may unlock some secrets.

UB antimatter and its properties and links with the universe.

I thought it could unlock perhaps a different approach in unlocking the secret of creation. Apparently the secret is in ultimaton which makes up the electron and its all to do with the energy wavelike manifestation that is exchanged with the ultimaton of the electron. Antimatter is related to the axial spin of the ultimaton and its position from the nucleus.

Apparently within the nucleus of the ultimaton is Paradise.

To create a space force reaction I think you have to speed the axial revolution and its related electrical charge.

Its a weird energy and is part of the creative energy of the universe. Antimatter is everywhere and permeates the earth, scientists should look more into the electron for the answers.

Perhaps they should conduct some theories through back engineering the UB info. Its an idea.


regards
sevens

[ 09-27-2006, 06:49 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi

I'm really fascinated with antimatter and its possible uses as utopian energy for the planet. It appears that that there is still many unknowns about antimatter because we probably know little about what makes up an electron.

Here is the wikipedia thoughts on Antimatter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimatter

here is another link

http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/index.html

Also here is the Urantia Book thoughts on the Ultimation and how they make up the electron. It may unlock some secrets.

UB antimatter and its properties and links with the universe.

I thought it could unlock perhaps a different approach in unlocking the secret of creation. Apparently the secret is in ultimaton which makes up the electron and its all to do with the energy wavelike manifestation that is exchanged with the ultimaton of the electron. Antimatter is related to the axial spin of the ultimaton and its position from the nucleus.

Apparently within the nucleus of the ultimaton is Paradise.

To create a space force reaction I think you have to speed the axial revolution and its related electrical charge.

Its a weird energy and is part of the creative energy of the universe. Antimatter is everywhere and permeates the earth, scientists should look more into the electron for the answers.

Perhaps they should conduct some theories through back engineering the UB info. Its an idea.

Looks like they have made some breakthroughs

 
  • http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/factory/AM-factory00_discovery.html

    These breakthroughs at CERN are important milestones on the way to trapping, accumulating and cooling antihydrogen. Cold antihydrogen will be a new tool for precision studies in a broad range of science. Most fundamental will be the comparison of the interaction of hydrogen and antihydrogen with electromagnetic and gravitational fields. Any difference between matter and antimatter, however small, would have profound consequences for our fundamental understanding of Nature and the Universe.




information about the electron

http://www.play-hookey.com/dc_theory/looking_at_electrons.html

 

  • The electrons in any given atom do not just orbit the nucleus haphazardly; rather, they occupy specific energy levels, or "shells," around the nucleus. Electrons will always try to occupy the lowest energy level available to them, dropping into a closer orbit if they can.


Here is more information about the elements of the electron. I must it very close to the UB explanation.

http://members.tripod.com/mwolff/body_spin.html#2wave

regards
sevens

[ 09-27-2006, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi Sophia777

How is it going? I really enjoyed your post. I to are really fascinated with Hindu prophecy. I think there is much truth in the Hindu scripts as well as Buddhist scripts. I have to say with in all the things going these Eastern religions are a good witness in the attitude, they shine above all of them. I think Buddhist and Hindu are the 2 religions that have arisen above the rest.

The 2 pacifist religions I think outshine the rest with regards to there truth and peace and goodwill amongst mankind. I know the Urantia Book has very good things to say about these religions particularly in the times of transition.

Why I myself was looking at the Hindu truth when I noticed info in relationship to the white island and its latitude. With that in mind, I thought of Dalamatia in the Persian gulf, straightaway. Whilst the latitude given in the interpretation was slightly off, it was real close. That was a collaboration of the Hindu texts and the UB truth.

I even posted the extract before discovery of the place, that's if NASA technology is not just a big mistake.

However sometimes I get worried about the whole thing even though those of simple child like faith have nothing to fear. This world has descended into the pit and its awfully dark.

For me I have been following the Enoch judgment process, somehow I got drawn into its end progression through self proclamation and gut feeling.

The only thing that I could see coming from that in my experience was the discovery of Dalamatia (if the data is correct) which was in the seventh part of Enoch judgment process. From this point onwards I don't know where it goes from here. Its like its an open judgement, if it all?? Lets see!

There has not been a judgement in the sense of wipe out however in my short time here I have noticed some improvements in world attitude (I think). Like the raised sense of consciousness about our present situation and hopefully on the path of doing something positive about it.

That's the only reason why I release all I find so that hopefully the info will get to the right people who then can further the study as they may be in a better situation to manifest truth and actively help the planet.

I don't think man is quite capable of the big challenge we have before us in his present spirit, however things can change. At present I still think all is being refined including religion and ourselves.

Well hopefully all this helps the situation we are in and really speaking we have no choice but to transition if we are to exist as a species.

I mean to say If I could live to 200 years I would like to go outside and have fun rather sitting enclosed within a house unable to go because of sun and have nothing to eat.

Also if we don't change our ways, the rain will stop and we will run into world food shortages. I mean this is close, it doesn't take much for things to change especially if its a runaway scenario with climate.

We can only literally pray and have faith that all will come good at the end of the day.

All the best and thanks
regards
sevens


Hi Sophia777

How is it going? I really enjoyed your post. I to are really fascinated with Hindu prophecy. I think there is much truth in the Hindu scripts as well as Buddhist scripts. I have to say with in all the things going these Eastern religions are a good witness in the attitude, they shine above all of them. I think Buddhist and Hindu are the 2 religions that have arisen above the rest.

The 2 pacifist religions I think outshine the rest with regards to there truth and peace and goodwill amongst mankind. I know the Urantia Book has very good things to say about these religions particularly in the times of transition.

Why I myself was looking at the Hindu truth when I noticed info in relationship to the white island and its latitude. With that in mind, I thought of Dalamatia in the Persian gulf, straightaway. Whilst the latitude given in the interpretation was slightly off, it was real close. That was a collaboration of the Hindu texts and the UB truth and what I think is Dalamatia.

I even posted the extract before discovery of the place, that's if NASA technology is not just a big mistake.

However sometimes I get worried about the whole thing even though those of simple child like faith have nothing to fear. This world has descended into the pit and its awfully dark.

For me I have been following the Enoch judgment process, somehow I got drawn into its end progression through self proclamation and gut feeling.

The only thing that I could see coming from that in my experience was the discovery of Dalamatia (if the data is correct) which was in the seventh part of Enoch judgment process. From this point onwards I don't know where it goes from here. Its like its an open judgement, if it all?? Lets see!

There has not been a judgement in the sense of wipe out however in my short time here I have noticed some improvements in world attitude (I think). Like the raised sense of consciousness about our present situation and hopefully on the path of doing something positive about it.

That's the only reason why I release all I find so that hopefully the info will get to the right people who then can further the study as they may be in a better situation to manifest truth and actively help the planet.

I don't think man is quite capable of the big challenge we have before us in his present spirit, however things can change. At present I still think all is being refined including religion and ourselves.

Well hopefully all this helps the situation we are in and really speaking we have no choice but to transition if we are to exist as a species.

I mean to say If I could live to 200 years I would like to go outside and have fun rather sitting enclosed within a house unable to go outside because of sun and have nothing to eat. Then we will reflect upon today leaders in the future and just curse these leaders, who did nothing because of their crap and dirty deals with oil companies for the sake of profit motivation. Every leader take note or else you could be the curse of the world because of your utter selfishness.

Also if we don't change our ways, the rain will stop and we will run into world food shortages. I mean this is close, it doesn't take much for things to change especially if its a runaway scenario with climate.

We can only literally pray and have faith that all will come good at the end of the day.

All the best and thanks
regards
sevens

[ 09-27-2006, 06:45 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]



The Taliban, the evil scourge on the world. I saw what they did to Afghanistan what a bunch of uniformed, mislead and uneducated people let alone spiritual, prayers that God doesn't even hear because of there intent and forced will approach, all signs of evil. Absolutely! Paradise doesn't operate like the Taliban losers no way.

Sorry I cant stand that operation and all the Kangaroo justice and execution of women in football stadiums. They are way off the mark of truth.

There is nothing good about the Taliban. I think they are definitely part of the 666 Al Qaeda sequence, all deceived with false doctrine and just plain crap. They get nothing from me. Mind you 666 is embedded everywhere, we know that but it seems so obvious with that terrible operation.

All the Taliban does, is bring disaster upon a society. I think they are a fine example of spiritual losers. To be honest they know the truth online, they know there is something unfolding, but in there disobedience to the truth unfolding, they persist in carrying the 666 ensign. No one will help them let alone Paradise if they persist in forced will religion through destruction, murder and intimidation.

Gee just look at them in Somalia and Sudan, just look at the place. What a disaster those country are now in. Thanks to the Taliban and Al Qaeda for that, evil leadership all in the name of bloody religion in the true sense.

They will not last or even make it in the new world unless they repent and you know they wont do that.

Everything they touch is soiled with evil intent and motivation.

regards
sevens
 


Hey if there are any physicists in the forum, who has the love of mankind in his heart.

Check out all of the above particularly the UB truth in relation to the ultimaton. You don't have to believe the UB (keep your own belief, no worries at all.) but look at this aspect of the ultimaton, there could be things in there that today's scientists are over looking. Maybe you can unlock the secret of utopian energy, the creative energy of God. Antimatter I think is the key and that's why the UB has all the info on it and has revealed it for a purpose and reason.

Its a little kick along, a lead to follow in the most obvious sense.

Maybe! So help yourself to this knowledge if it helps the planet and not the bottom-line.

regards
dennis


Hey BifFatFurryTexan,

No worries I was just making a general statement, I know there are few problems, you are probably right in saying the Buddhist have got it right, I believe that to.

I just hope it all comes good somehow. I feel the more we speak about these things the more we can do.

I just feel like times running out for the planet if we don't make these changes now. Its a challenge for mankind that's for sure. He is in a real pickle where many things are responding negatively like the weather.

No worries hopefully, one day all religions will realise certain things and just wake up to fact of where we are at and what we have to do. That's where they have to support the spirit of mankind in his forward progression not try and prevent man form progress to a better world with peace and respect.

Appreciate the post for sure. Its all very good and helps us all.

regards and have a blessed day.
sevens

 


Ok so he is alive, I reckon prove it, if he is alive, show himself since he is so bold to proclaim destruction and evil rubbish. I that guy had a problem, he should tried to find the solution in debate and doing something useful with his money to find truth. Gee who was his scribe, his religious teacher.

Man O man the guy had 300 million dollars to do something useful with. Something that progress the world but rather we have all this devastation of human life the whole investment into this has completely distracted the world and had wasted its resources on things of doctrine where resources should be spent on saving the planet.

Boy if I had 300 million I would look into antimatter, discovery a lost city in order to prove and debate truth. A far better legacy that would get positive mileage in the way of sustainable truth if it could be proved.

This whole terror campaign is the biggest waste of time for everyone.

I'm really glad that the Pope never officially apologized in getting his point across. I'm sure when he met with the leaders of Islam I'm sure he expressed his views again behind closed doors.

O well! all we can really do is discuss and hopefully lift things on a higher consciousness level. I still think the solution to this problem is through religion and what it reveals along the track.

All the best
sevens

[ 09-28-2006, 06:27 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

 


Hi here is link to a study in George Washington vision that I recently came across.

George Washington Remarkable Vision

I did personalise it to my personal experience in relation to the timeline period based against my personal timeline in this journey. Also there is a link to some recent information that I'm exploring. It could prove to be another key to the transition and financial freedom as a God given right, so man can explore the truth without stress. Absolutely!

If all is right and in truth, I am just fascinated how the whole scenario is linked in to George Washington the very forefather of the USA and to me is instrumental in what is unfolding. Its like its starts with his words and ends with is words.

George Washington's words are ringing very loudly today as the dam of knowledge and freedom is about to break. Even from him!! The very forefather of an incredible nation. Although in reading the prophecy there may be a few stressful things but at the end of the day the key lays in the great USA as shown by the great Angel, since the angel blew a trumpet, III call the angel a sevenfold angel. The one who calls in the mystery.

I believe that angel is non other than Gabriel. The Sevenfold instigator. The caller.

Well in my view, I find it very interesting how everyone in there search are finding connections, in there own personal way.

I'm sure everyone does have the piece of the puzzle and is connected one way or another.

Where does this whole journey lead to now???


all regards
sevens

[ 09-28-2006, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


BigFatFurryTexan

You're so right, you wouldn't last long out there in those conditions. Anyone living a life on the run like that, living under constant stress, you're immune system would be down, there would be internal spiritual conflict as the truth would be yelling within, louder than ever but the set prayers, repetition and brainwashing the voice of truth would be subdued and twisted into something rather of a wretched message resembling a spiritual scourge on the brotherhood of mankind.

If he was wiser he could be like us searching, clarifying, debating and putting forth in a peaceful to find the great truth in our personal journey. But in a peaceful way that is constructive and positve to the future, ah in someways.

Oh well that's the way it goes. I'm sure there is a good solution at hand by all appearances. See what happens eh! Its a journey of faith as we attempt to uncover it and define it.

Best regards
sevens

[ 09-28-2006, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


PostPosted: Fri Sep 29, 2006 7:30 am    Post subject:
 
Hi Qoasis and HST,

I must say HST want you posted was absolutely incredible information and links about the early cosmopolitan India. It seem obvious that there was commercial relationship with these civilisation spanning from Harappa, Bay of Cambay, Iran and Sumeria end of the line. No doubt these civilisations affected other civilisation like in the Med at that time. This is earlier than the discoveries of the tablets in Sumeria.

Surely the submerged of the remains in the Bay of cambay says it all.

Qoasis, I think I remember saw a picture of Khristna (sounds like Christian) with violet skin mounted on a flying swan(a Fandor). Does that picture say allot. I feel this is representation of Adam as brought down by the Sethite priests in their truths. To me I feel this is an old image of Adam and the times of the Garden when he was flying whilst inspecting the garden.

Would of been the most amazing site. Adam and his flying fandor.


All the best regards
sevens

Hi Brig, well soon find out if your right. We are pumping allot of greenhouse gases and crap in the atmosphere, all of us. Something has to give somewhere. Its seems to be the weather. Gee I mean to say guys have been copping with tornados and all.

I don't know where you get your info but most scientist agree that we are in trouble. It might be nice in the mid usa but the people in Tuvalu are loosing there homes because of the comforts of others. Seems like small sacrifice for the comforts of the larger body. Who cares about the Tuvalans??? Eh! who gives a thought eh! Who knows it might happen to Florida and California. I reckon its happening and the scientist see that! No we just don't want to face reality because our present circumstance is comfortable until those manmade changes affects your personal world.

Have you ever flown through a pollution cloud or see the effects ocean in the middle of nowhere? I have, its pretty dirty crap.

Sacrifice for the comforts of others at the expense of others not good enough, insufficient and unsustainable.

So much for your greenhouse objection!


regards
sevens


Looks like the scourge of El Qaeda has information of Nuclear technology and would use it given the opportunity.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1657901.stm (The image of the real infidels of terror.)

I hope this operation can be stopped in their evil intent, as I suspected these people are serious and think nothing of using this technology against innocent people.

That is what religion Islam is motivating completely wayward religion, off the tracks.

I think the Buddhist have shown the best example of the message of Jesus.

Here is a few anti terror scripts against those who kill innocent people through terrorists actions.

Link


In my opinion.

sevens

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Psycho, I must say my grammar was crappy on that last one, however when global warming starts affecting business and land values on the shoreline of the USA reduce and homes are destroyed, then the government will wake up but it will be to late.

People in the USA will be suffering by then. It will be all to late thanks to the bad decisions of the government of the present day, compromising to the lower message as a way to escaping responsibility.

Isn't that so much like man, weak ass, cant face the challenge.

When this happens to the USA, it is at that point that the population will reflect much anger to oil companies and the governments of today for being selfish and governments succumbing to the effective money persuasions of the those lobbies of those wretched companies who DON'T give a single damn for anyone except there bloody bottom-line. That bottom-line and selfishness will destroy our species and others.

Everyone knows that's true. There is no truth in Washington, honestly its all the money and power scam and has nothing to do with planet and it future, oh! except a nothing future, if we don't change.

The Oil companies will destroy this planet, there is no two ways about it. Bush the so called Christian plays right into there hands.

Banks control the world and they control energy, pharmaceuticals which is another money bottom-line scam and how they think. Its really how they think that destroys everything.

Yes, who gives a rats arse for the Tavaluns, even Australia wont help them in visas for a new home. That's how selfish Australia has become and yet we are partly responsible for there demise like in the mid USA. Just as responsible.

OK for us to take there resources and destroy there home and identity but when they need help we just say pissoff.

That's the attitude. Just selfish all the way, rotten to the bone when it comes to these things. Every Government is rotten and is in parallel for the future, what future?

As I'm discovering there is a way out of this financial debt bondage that began 210 years ago and ended in 1999, but no one, who knows is going to tell you squat. You have to find that for yourself. That's what I'm doing. Bankruptcy that does affect countries, However the creditors have to supply a solution or remedy of discharge, in the case of a country this affects every person.

The US has been bankrupt, technically since the day of independence, because the US never finalized there debt from this early commerce in this time. . The debt had to be paid back in 1999 but at a huge expense to the citizens of the world of whom had no idea of this. Because of the failure of the US to discharge the bankruptcy in 2 opportunities that led to enslavement of people for all those years having total control. That status has changed and new opportunity is on the horizon that free us. But no one will tell you this, that's the deception and the nefarious schemes of cal.

Your birth certificate is the key, knowing this the government has leveraged on this when you where born and there is financial premium taken out on this based an average age of 62. But you don't know this, no one told you this, your birth certificate is your way out. But those in control who know this wont tell you this because they are maintaining the scam to control your ass.

There maybe a way out of lifetime perpetual debt but only God can really effect this. Remember everything in this method has all to do with honour and dishonour, the legal system is set up that for those who argue are in dishonour. They are masters and experts in manipulation. But God sees everything and is on the move!

Which he is doing!

Technically the Bankruptcy of the States has been discharged in 1999 and because of that, there is a solution of debt discharge and exemption. But no one is going to tell you this at all, because they want to maintain control. This what revelations was all about, these people. George Washington's vision was all about this. He saw this evil and spoke about it. The very forefather of the States. However he does see there is an intervention from God, take note ******* bankers.

Its all selfish but there is global solution of debt discharge but you have to find this for yourself. No will tell you this let any bank or institution. Everyone on the planet is scammed., truly. Don't believe what governments or the legal system tell you. There is an almighty scam going on which is illegal and in total dishonour against the wishes of Paradise and mankind.

It might explain our economic paradigm and its upside down, inside out view.

I'm so sure sure God will route this error, grievous error of the selfishness of man upon man. Man living on the back of man making his life a misery of life time debt and over control and ensuring methods that will keep man stuck in the mire of crap.

No freedom, no liberty of the soul just life time debt to some top guy who wants to own your arse and doesn't give a damn for you nor your family.

The system was created not for freedom that's the guise and hype, but for debt service which includes all the people of the world, all mankind. Technically this time is over but there are those that want to maintain it. But it feels good, to them.

This is the very dishonour. God sees Usury as an abomination and thwart the usury system in the new world. Its to devastating for man and his soul and it mixed in with enticement and temptation of the soul.

There is no way a system like have in the usury sense is sustainable. No way!

I think God heres the the prayers of the humble and nice Tuvaluan more so that those stupid prayers for sell gratification and comfort that God doesn't even hear because its all based inner selfishness. III pray that the US government will relocate the them in the Mid US, that seems like a safe place. Oh no cant have that, because there different. But we destroy there homes so we could watch and get fat comfortably. Again on the backs of others.

Bugger you jack, I'm right, the attitude of crap.

regards
sevens
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Its all Crazy, crazy people. The whole of them, so much spiritual maladjustment.

I wish we could get on a more positive subject but we have to loath this if we are to accomplish solutions. The more we express the more the message and our thoughts go out there.

Hopefully this may make a difference.

Personally I think people here, have more sense than those in power. Because the people here are connected in to the spiritual realm of spirituality in there own as it should be and does have balance.

Al Qaeda and nuclear technology, A guy committing mass killings, ravenous banking system, Governments out of control or cant control what is the world coming to.

All recopies of disaster. So where is the guiding light i ask. Where are the changes? waiting, writing and waiting.

Also why did that that guy commit these crimes, was he provoked or made fun off by these same people? I wonder whether we called a loser constantly and got sick of it and snapped. You know for people on a lower level in that society have no hope so nothing to loose. Is this really the effect of the system and its harshness on those whether be it in word or in circumstance.

I wonder if there was any love given to this guy or even help beforehand. Surely there was signs beforehand.

I suspect people looked up him as a loser and treated him such.

I would be interested to know what really happened and what was the provocative action that started this.

Also note that the system that make people like this have a responsibility to, not just him its the fault of the system and know that as people feel more desperate with nothing to loose in case provoked. He was provoked somewhere along the line.

Note that this will arise as people feel more desperate in world of a society who don't give a damn.

That's why countries like Australia and Europe have the dole and such social services to prevent these kind of things happening as people have the basics in life and not just thrown away by society on the streets by a society who don't care for the welfare of these people.

The loser/winner attitude is just an example of cold-heartedness that leads to these disastrous events. The people wonder why, well I wonder!!!

What would expect from society who puts very little in good social welfare and chucks them out to fend for themselves on the streets with no loving care a tall. Nothing, Gods country eh!

Love and respect would of healed that guy and stopped this crap.

regards
sevens


I still remember meeting some Americans when I was living there, telling me how some of them used to beat up homeless people and make fun of them.

Not impressed! but obviously we can see why people snap and do these things. Because there is no self worth left anymore. Like going to Jail , your life is finished in society. How cruel is that. You're marked even though the individual has paid his debt back to society. You are still marked for life. Cruel!

I wouldn't be surprised that something like a provocation happened in this case. I just wouldn't be surprised.

If this guy was shown a little respect and love from society this would of never happened. All it takes is a little loving and a little commonsense spirituality so he can see by example and someone to work with the guy in overcoming his problems. Not the pointing of fingers in the "there goes a loser" crap, society made him loser and the ones who provoked him, not himself.

Like the Tuvaluans out of site with no understanding, out mind who gives a damn! Next ravenous plot!

Also Hollywood also has a major contribution to these problems too in the perpetuation of the The winner/loser attitude. Much to answer for in the way perpetuating unrealism which people mix with there own reality resulting in a disaster as we can see.

The fault is in society not so much the individual and those who condemn and judge and provoke take no responsibility at all. Weak!!

regards
sevens


Great link and change of subject but I feel there is more to the story.

I loved this one

 
  • Issa said that man had filled the temples with his abominations. In order to pay homage to metals and stones, man sacrificed his fellows in whom dwells a spark of the Supreme Spirit. Man demeans those who labor by the sweat of their brows, in order to gain the good will of the sluggard who sits at the lavishly set board. But they who deprive their brothers of the common blessing shall be themselves stripped of it.


sevens

[ 09-29-2006, 06:17 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


 
 
Great link and change of subject but I feel there is more to the story.

I loved this one

 
  • Issa said that man had filled the temples with his abominations. In order to pay homage to metals and stones, man sacrificed his fellows in whom dwells a spark of the Supreme Spirit. Man demeans those who labor by the sweat of their brows, in order to gain the good will of the sluggard who sits at the lavishly set board. But they who deprive their brothers of the common blessing shall be themselves stripped of it.


how consistant is Issas message.

 

  • Issa bade them "Worship not the idols. Do not consider yourself first. Do not humiliate your neighbor. Help the poor. Sustain the feeble. Do evil to no one. Do not covet that which you do not possess and which is possessed by others."


How true, true, true this is.

 

  • Then Issa replied to them: "Miracles made their appearance from the very day when the world was created. He who cannot behold them is deprived of the greatest gift of life. But woe to you, enemies of men, woe unto you, if you await that He should attest his power by miracle."

    Issa taught that men should not strive to behold the Eternal Spirit with one's own eyes but to feel it with the heart, and to become a pure and worthy soul....


another truth

 

  • "Not only shall you not make human offerings, but you must not slaughter animals, because all is given for the use of man. Do not steal the goods of others, because that would be usurpation from your near one. Do not cheat, that you may in turn not be cheated. (interesting one)



all good stuff for mankind to listen to.

 

  • "Beware, ye, who divert men from the true path and who fill the people with superstitions and prejudices, who blind the vision of the seeing ones, and who preach subservience to material things. "...



simple and clear instruction.

I would like to second that link given by Docyabut

http://www.wolflodge.org/sananda/lost-years-of-jesus.htm

Its a good link says it all in simplicity. I wish the guys following the words a dead Laden would listen to these words.

and lastly for the road

But Issa taught: "Do not seek straight paths in darkness, possessed by fear. But gather force and support each other. He who supports his neighbor strengthens himself.

How true!

 

  • "I tried to revive the laws of Moses in the hearts of the people. And I say unto you that you do not understand their true meaning because they do not teach revenge but forgiveness. But the meaning of these laws is distorted."


and, cant stop its all good stuff

 

  • Then Issa said, "Reverence Woman, mother of the universe,' in her lies the truth of creation. She is the foundation of all that is good and beautiful. She is the source of life and death. Upon her depends the existence of man, because she is the sustenance of his labors. She gives birth to you in travail, she watches over your growth. Bless her. Honor her. Defend her. Love your wives and honor them, because tomorrow they shall be mothers, and later-progenitors of a whole race. Their love ennobles man, soothes the embittered heart and tames the beast. Wife and mother-they are the adornments of the universe."



sevens

[ 09-29-2006, 06:35 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Totally out of control and depicts a fundamental problem in the society. Its only happens in the States these type of things with frequency. Why!!!

I ask, why? Is the feeblemindedness, an effect of intentional dumbing of that nation producing stupid people. Also 18 year old should be treated as a adult and not like little children.

I know In the British system 18 year olds are treated like adults and we don't have these disastrous problems. Like binge drinking and out of control ego. 18 year old are treated like men, as they should be at around that age. If young fellow are given that respect as man with guidance you wont have all that extreme behaviour of a child still waiting to be treated like a man.

At the moment its like paramilitary over control on young 18 year old that should be respected and taught like a man. Man he should be allowed to have a drink in bar at that age like the rest of the world. Instead he is treated like a child, its all like child's play.

I tell you what when a 18 year old is treated like a man like in the rest of the world all that binge drinking and alcoholism just stops. Because the young adult soon realizes that its just stupid. I know Ive seen it before my eyes the change of 18 year old when he is treated like a man and can have a drink with his dad in a bar. He changes in to more mature person with realism because at the same time his dad is guiding him in aspects of mature drinking and what to watch out for.

Because one day, eventually he will end up in a bar and has to know how to behave normal, even with a few beers under his belt. Mindal control and awareness in this environment, that's how to keep out of trouble. Through thinking and being aware even with a few beers.

Not this kindergarten paramilitary overbearing over control stuff. That hasn't help as binge drinking amongst the young is rife in the states, I wonder why. Treated like kids and yet they are adults.

regards
sevens


Issas words are very beautiful and truthful.

I agree with you said, It seems to come down to education and communication with good parents who were also given the opportunity of soul communication with there parents. Also having being aware of all the spiritual knowledge is important. Having all the knowledge is a absolute must for a relative stable future.

Unfortunately, you will not get the full truth in Church because extreme bias, crystallized doctrine and limited knowledge this also happens in the schools as there is an emotive element.

Unfortunately, to find the real truth you have to search that for yourself. No man who is in it for himself will not give you that information.

Not at all! because his fat survival is living on your back. In one way or another. Its like interdependency which is normal but with a selfish motive. This is the problem.

Everyone is in the same boat and some abortions can be a direct result of poor information, not being aware of life and the hurdles it unfolds, like in such matters.

all the best
sevens



[ 09-29-2006, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
 


Well if that is true, that is good news and hopefully it will be used for peaceful purposes and the technology is spread with the western worlds as the western world technology have given China technology for there world.

I hope that is reality and I hope China implement that technology as good example of caring for the planet as a whole.

I think that is great good on the Chinese for thinking of things.

Its funny they probably dislike Oil companies and want them out of there lives and be free from them. The Chinese could help the planet there by example! Next they make emission free cars, ecars know they have fusion. I reckon they will to that would be there next task.

Hopefully they will be cool and help the planet as whole.

regards
sevens


Well if that is true, that is good news and hopefully it will be used for peaceful purposes and the technology is spread with the western worlds as the western world technology have given China technology for there world.

I hope that is a reality and I hope China implement that technology as a good example of caring for the planet as a whole.

I think that is a great good for the Chinese for thinking of things on there own.

Its funny they probably dislike Oil companies and want them out of there lives and be free from them. The Chinese could help the planet by there by example!

Next they'll make emission free cars, like ecars now they have fusion. I reckon that would be there next task. little Emobiles the same should happen in India.

That would be easy with the technology around.

 


sevens

Well if that is true, that is good news and hopefully it will be used for peaceful purposes and the technology is spread with the western worlds as the western world technology have given China technology for there world.

I hope that is a reality and I hope China implement that technology as a good example of caring for the planet as a whole.

I think that is a great good for the Chinese for thinking of things on there own.

Its funny they probably dislike Oil companies and want them out of there lives and be free from them. The Chinese could help the planet by there by example!

Next they'll make emission free cars, like ecars now they have fusion. I reckon that would be there next task. little Emobiles the same should happen in India.

That would be easy with the technology around.

Fusion reactors and ecars good plan, good combination of a good start. They don't need gas guzzling cars nor be inflicted by these transnational lobbies and there drive for profit and domination.

Hopefully they will be cool and help the planet as whole.

Who knows they'll probably stumble over antimatter and anti gravity somehow and show the way that is not related to big overbearing business.

I suppose an Ecar would be a forklift with less weight and better design for it purpose. How simple is that where the cost of living goes down by 80 - 90% where you haven't got these oil companies. That would make people happier where they could devote this extra money to there families. Next solar panels on the ecars for recharging on the run.

Cheap technology. All dirt cheap. That's what energy should be clean and cheap, Energy should be the least of our problem and should be the lowest cost in the household. Then if you had non profit credit based on a simple interest formula if at all. The world would be so happy, 10 percent of income to keep transportation and the home fires going and the rest goes to the family.

Not what we have today 60% debt on household energy costs and the little left is for the family which is virtually nothing. In this idea we are getting close to the utopia world, that's what we are going to need for the new world.

Banks, energy and pharmaceuticals should be based on non profit. Everything that is common for all man should always be non profit so there is no opportunity for domination by one group of hound dogs.

Also future leaders of these companies should undergo a spirituality test to see if they have love for mankind not the love of the money of mankind.


regards


BigFatFurryTexan

Hi, I'm an Aussie but I lived in Oregon, California, Washington, Florida, and Mexico for a short time. All in all it was 5 years and I had a great time. I really like Americans they are nice and friendly people and they all subscribe to hospitality. I was always treated well by Americans and Mexicans and they were most generous and kind people. Even if they didn't have much, they would take you in there homes and treat you well.

About Jesus in India. I tend to subscribe to the UB rendition. But that doesn't change things.

However during Jesus early life we was travelling around as an interpreter for a Father and Son commercial operation based in India. Cutting a long story short whilst the three was in Alexandria. The Father of Ganid invested in the production of a book of truth which was headed by Jesus who instructed 30 scholars. This compile included all the truth everywhere combined in a book. Like another little UB book but in those days.

Now this book ended up in India. I don't know what it was called or even if it exists today but I wouldn't be surprised if that book had some influence in India through the efforts of Ganid beginning a new religion through this knowledge.

Also there were many teachers of Jesus that ended up in India. Like Thomas and a few other people.

Here is the UB story where it says that Jesus went as far as Charax on the Persian Gulf.

If it helps in understanding the India case, have a read this but its a read and a half but gives you the whole picture. But remember I give this for interest and not this conversion stuff. Everything is up to you what one accepts off course. But its another hole in the wall.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper130.html

I wonder what that book was called? That Jesus and Ganid compiled as a book of truth. I know the book did end up in India and was very personalised to the truth that could be recognised. Its interesting that there are so many commonalities with Issa and the truth as read. I wonder if Issa is a product of that compiled book???

Could be worth a search and compare the writings in the UB as the UB has extracts from the book. If there is a literal match then that is the book of Ganid that Jesus, Ganid and 30 scholars compiled.

To find the book would be a matter of comparison. A parallel of 2 works that are connected and do parallel in knowledge. That would identify it.

Many parallels there.

All the regards
sevens


BigFatFurryTexan

Hi, I'm an Aussie but I lived in Oregon, California, Washington, Florida, and Mexico for a short time. All in all it was 5 years and I had a great time. I really like Americans they are nice and friendly people and they all subscribe to hospitality. I was always treated well by Americans and Mexicans and they were most generous and kind people. Even if they didn't have much, they would take you in there homes and treat you well.

About Jesus in India. I tend to subscribe to the UB rendition. But that doesn't change things.

However during Jesus early life we was travelling around as an interpreter for a Father and Son commercial operation based in India. Cutting a long story short whilst the three was in Alexandria. The Father of Ganid invested in the production of a book of truth which was headed by Jesus who instructed 30 scholars. This compile included all the truth everywhere combined in a book. Like another little UB book but in those days.

Now this book ended up in India. I don't know what it was called or even if it exists today but I wouldn't be surprised if that book had some influence in India through the efforts of Ganid beginning a new religion through this knowledge.

Also there were many teachers of Jesus that ended up in India. Like Thomas and a few other people.

Here is the UB story where it says that Jesus went as far as Charax on the Persian Gulf.

If it helps in understanding the India case, have a read this but its a read and a half but gives you the whole picture. But remember I give this for interest and not this conversion stuff. Everything is up to you what one accepts off course. But its another hole in the wall.

http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper130.html

I wonder what that book was called? That Jesus and Ganid compiled as a book of truth. I know the book did end up in India and was very personalised to the truth that could be recognised. Its interesting that there are so many commonalities with Issa and the truth as read. I wonder if Issa is a product of that compiled book???

Could be worth a search and compare the writings in the UB as the UB has extracts from the book. If there is a literal match then that is the book of Ganid that Jesus, Ganid and 30 scholars compiled.

To find the book would be a matter of comparison. A parallel of 2 works that are connected and do parallel in knowledge. That would identify it.

Many parallels there. That book compile of 2000 years ago could very well be in vaults of the Catholic Church, needs a search.

All the regards
sevens

[ 09-30-2006, 12:54 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi

I'm speaking to NASA, they have improved the bathy of worldwind and the location seems to be still there. They seemed slightly excited about the prospect. However I still haven't got what I want.

To see blue tiling over the whole place of the Persian Gulf to give us a better picture and what potentially may lay there on the old coastline from thousands of years ago.

I must say, they have not said in this next round of emails that its a mistake or anything like that.

So far so good, still working on the case. This could be the big one, the big top of discoveries which of course includes Eden as well. No doubt about that one. Its double win in racing terms

All the best. III be speaking to NOAA soon see what they come up with.

You know if its all cool, we are getting closer and its all written about, this place Dalamatia the home of the Sons of God before they made the mistake in judgment in signing up to the upside down Lucifer manifesto.

You read it and see it. Very simple for religion, it would be out of fear and crystallisation that they would reject this place...Funny thing, we all know that!!

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia/

the best
sevens

[ 09-30-2006, 01:29 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Wow! I hope this movie alters the perception. It only displays that big business on this level is simply corrupt not interested in the planet, at all nothing!

And you listen to these politicians talk rubbish you know there lying and in the pockets of big business. Look what they have enforced slavery through high costs of energy and transportation.

Wont change until there is an absolute disaster to the climate.

sevens


Hi Briwyns, I agree that warming is probably a natural cycle, but I think it is accelerated by man. Looking at the Co2 graphs in the past 100 years shows a horrid story of a major acceleration in Co2, Hardly natural.

I wouldn't put this round of global warming to natural causes which happens over thousands of years, Oh maybe 10% due to natural causes off course but the rest is all manmade and what he puts in the atmosphere.

That has clearly been identified.

All the scientist are saying all the same things that man is responsible for this round of Global warming and in 50 years it will a runaway situation if we don't do something now. By all talk no action and crooked legislation there will be food shortages in the future, gee its even in prophecy.

I know the British scientists are extremely concerned I don't think they are ignorant, but putting it down to natural causes only is just ridiculous.

Anyway Governments should plan for the worst rather than taking risk due to economic factors.

Remembering the British Isles are in the worst position of losing much of there beautiful country.

I certainly don't want to see that happen to a good and advanced culture who have contributed much to world society.

regards
sevens

[ 09-30-2006, 02:41 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Hi HST

I went through the links and again was amazed how you have legend and discovery in the Bay of Cambay, connected. Again another read it and see it experience.

You know that site completely supports the UB rendition to a tee.

So you have 3 discoveries all related to the UB information with real accuracy. Its like you can read it and see it all submerged in the waters of time.

So that's Eden, Dalamatia (what I think) and the location in the Bay of Cambay.

That's 3 major parallels and connections set in stone through discovery all related to a book of truth.

I mean to say, I am so impressed with the UB knowledge, it is truly the book of the Gods.

If man cant see this in his face then he just simply stupid or totally infested with bias or prejudice.

I was thinking bringing all the discoveries in together just forms the biggest connection of truth and a huge panorama of history before the time when the Sumerians tablets were even made as discovered.

Man I wonder what the general scientist would say considering all this. Probably not much considering the Urantia Connection. But for us faith believers its huge.

What a doco it would make combining all 3 places and then you move into recent times using the Malta ruins and its circular connections not to mention the Spanish connection. It could be a presentation of everything.

Its really a very consistent story all guided by the fantastic Urantia Book. Im sure its all part of the Sevenfold revealment.

Fantastic and brilliant.

See what happens.

What a journey of discovery of everything. Truly incredible.


regards
sevens


Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:26 pm    Post subject:
 
Im really interested in the pic but I cant find it.

Also if divers reportedly seeing these things why haven't they uncovered more. Like you know, if you found something you would go there again and take pics or something of evidence.

I do become skeptical with reports of people who claim I found this or that but where is the evidence and the ongoing research.

I don't believe to much what people say unless they show some evidence of further research and some bathy data and a demonstration of some pictures or something.

Plus who were divers, where is the location precisely. You know all talk but where is the evidence or attempt to find the evidence in these days.

You know if it sounds that big it would be proclaimed all over the place even to this day.

I don't believe it unless there is a demonstration on all levels. Then you know something is real. Other than that its all talk and no action.

10000 foot pyramid with crystals on top, come on where is it, more baloney of wishful thinking.

Its like with Eden, Dalamatia and Cambay, there is documentation, there are images, there are expeditions being made. There is all kinds of speculation. There is activity of various researchers trying to uncover and who are known. You know Action and results! Not talk and no action let alone an image. I have no confidence in that

regards
sevens

Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject:
PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject:
 
 
PostPosted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject:
 
Great posts I really enjoyed them all. What can I say, its all been said. I cant add to the thread.

 
Quote:
I have come to the conclusion that events are building on our world in a silent groundswell towards a not too distant event



Right on, right on. I believe that to. There is a reason why all these discoveries are happening, all in the same time period!! It really makes you think about it all. I think we are close and right in the middle of ACTION. The God of Action, I like that one.

And what about the Greek computer. I amazed how the Greeks where really advanced.

Its all good and like a phenomena.

You know I'm really getting the feeling that our personalized Angels are working through all of us , Like HST might find something and posting, like Qoasis also finding truth and posting, I myself . Robert Sarmast making this opportunity available for us and the leader of the project.

Its a major discovery that is spread across all participants. Like a truth team. I strongly feel that the angels are using and directing us all to the truth in our interest that arise upon discovery.

Its like what Isaiah said, a bit here and a bit there from all of us.

We find something and post which add to the tree of truth, of life.

Here is Sumerian tablet of the tree of life and The Gods, I really feel this rendition is about Dalamatia as remembered in legend by the Sumerians before the first default.



regards
sevens

 


Posted: Sat Sep 30, 2006 10:25 pm    Post subject:
 
Hi Ascender

I couldnt agree more

 
Quote:
I think Esther described it best in another post, when she pointed out that we all have our little fragmented parts of the picture (truth).



I feel its the bringing together all the truth in a consistent way that reveals the truth, Everyone has a piece of the truth pie. Everyone!

I agree so much in what you and Esther said.

regards
sevens


Hi Leshy

I found this on a yahoo search, I havent checked the other links yet.

http://hierographics.org/BlackExperienceReligion03.htm (pics dont work)

Here is another, if it helps

http://www.sacred-texts.com/the/sd/sd2-2-13.htm


Havent read it fully but it could be a clue.

Maybe it is a representation of the Fall of Atlantis, the major default through bad judgement of the Sons of God perhaps?

Got to look into that thread a little more, hope it helps.

all the best
sevens


Man can overcome anything if he puts his mind to it with determination.

Man can improve those energy delivery systems quite easily. That's should be no excuse for improving the planet. Just improve the grid and make the panels of cars absorb infrared heat and convert it to electrical energy fro recharging on the go. I'm sure that's possible!

or

what about a device that converts wind power into electrical energy in relation to the speed of the car. The faster you go the more electrical energy you create from wind resistance. The energy created is used to recharge batteries on the run, thus relying less on fixed distribution systems. That's a good solution to.

Also money saved from using killer fossil fuels will subside the improvements of the delivery systems. Mind you there would be 90% drop in energy costs for the household and if electrical energy was created with antimatter it would be even cheaper. Plus its clean, green and safe and helps everyone.

Also there would be more disposable income that would generate a healthy economy where Governments can provide more services and look after the people much better than what they do today. The problem is the profit motivation, that's where the big problem lays.

Also we would have less cancers and thereby reduce our medical costs. Another huge saving.

If all above doesn't work, well man just has to get his act together and improve the delivery systems. He can do that, we know that.

Man can do that quite easily but whether its convenient for the few, that's the question.

Technology is no problem however it comes down to the will of man.

We have the technology that's for sure!!!! Always had the technology. At the end of the day fossil fuels are a disaster for mankind.

It as simple as that!

sevens


[ 09-30-2006, 05:06 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

 


Do you think anyone would be interested, honestly.

Also I got a few threads in other forums, I don't think I could handle anymore to be honest. This already diverts much energy at the sacrifice of some things I should be doing.

I tell you its real hard to balance the spiritual and the things of the world. It takes discipline that I dint have very much of, especially when your inspired with the information. I find it so hard to drag myself from this work.

Its quite an experience in itself.

I could do this research 24hrs a day. Man O man I have never experience this obsession sort of thing particularly in religion of all things. Even though there is absolutely no material involved.

Also I have the Moses thread which are mainly my posts where no one relies anyway.

all the best
sevens

[ 09-30-2006, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


I thought there is so much in the following about the acme of religious living from the urantia Book.

 

quote:




[Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]

http://www.urantia.org/papers/paper100.html

7. THE ACME OF RELIGIOUS LIVING
Although the average mortal of Urantia cannot hope to attain the high perfection of character which Jesus of Nazareth acquired while sojourning in the flesh, it is altogether possible for every mortal believer to develop a strong and unified personality along the perfected lines of the Jesus personality. The unique feature of the Master's personality was not so much its perfection as its symmetry, its exquisite and balanced unification. The most effective presentation of Jesus consists in following the example of the one who said, as he gestured toward the Master standing before his accusers, "Behold the man!"

The unfailing kindness of Jesus touched the hearts of men, but his stalwart strength of character amazed his followers. He was truly sincere; there was nothing of the hypocrite in him. He was free from affectation; he was always so refreshingly genuine. He never stooped to pretense, and he never resorted to shamming. He lived the truth, even as he taught it. He was the truth. He was constrained to proclaim saving truth to his generation, even though such sincerity sometimes caused pain. He was unquestioningly loyal to all truth.

But the Master was so reasonable, so approachable. He was so practical in all his ministry, while all his plans were characterized by such sanctified common sense. He was so free from all freakish, erratic, and eccentric tendencies. He was never capricious, whimsical, or hysterical. In all his teaching and in everything he did there was always an exquisite discrimination associated with an extraordinary sense of propriety.

The Son of Man was always a well-poised personality. Even his enemies maintained a wholesome respect for him; they even feared his presence. Jesus was unafraid. He was surcharged with divine enthusiasm, but he never became fanatical. He was emotionally active but never flighty. He was imaginative but always practical. He frankly faced the realities of life, but he was never dull or prosaic. He was courageous but never reckless; prudent but never cowardly. He was sympathetic but not sentimental; unique but not eccentric. He was pious but not sanctimonious. And he was so well-poised because he was so perfectly unified.

Jesus' originality was unstifled. He was not bound by tradition or handicapped by enslavement to narrow conventionality. He spoke with undoubted confidence and taught with absolute authority. But his superb originality did not cause him to overlook the gems of truth in the teachings of his predecessors and contemporaries. And the most original of his teachings was the emphasis of love and mercy in the place of fear and sacrifice.

Jesus was very broad in his outlook. He exhorted his followers to preach the gospel to all peoples. He was free from all narrow-mindedness. His sympathetic heart embraced all mankind, even a universe. Always his invitation was, "Whosoever will, let him come."

Of Jesus it was truly said, "He trusted God." As a man among men he most sublimely trusted the Father in heaven. He trusted his Father as a little child trusts his earthly parent. His faith was perfect but never presumptuous. No matter how cruel nature might appear to be or how indifferent to man's welfare on earth, Jesus never faltered in his faith. He was immune to disappointment and impervious to persecution. He was untouched by apparent failure.

He loved men as brothers, at the same time recognizing how they differed in innate endowments and acquired qualities. "He went about doing good."

Jesus was an unusually cheerful person, but he was not a blind and unreasoning optimist. His constant word of exhortation was, "Be of good cheer." He could maintain this confident attitude because of his unswerving trust in God and his unshakable confidence in man. He was always touchingly considerate of all men because he loved them and believed in them. Still he was always true to his convictions and magnificently firm in his devotion to the doing of his Father's will.

The Master was always generous. He never grew weary of saying, "It is more blessed to give than to receive." Said he, "Freely you have received, freely give." And yet, with all of his unbounded generosity, he was never wasteful or extravagant. He taught that you must believe to receive salvation. "For every one who seeks shall receive."

He was candid, but always kind. Said he, "If it were not so, I would have told you." He was frank, but always friendly. He was outspoken in his love for the sinner and in his hatred for sin. But throughout all this amazing frankness he was unerringly fair.

Jesus was consistently cheerful, notwithstanding he sometimes drank deeply of the cup of human sorrow. He fearlessly faced the realities of existence, yet was he filled with enthusiasm for the gospel of the kingdom. But he controlled his enthusiasm; it never controlled him. He was unreservedly dedicated to "the Father's business." This divine enthusiasm led his unspiritual brethren to think he was beside himself, but the onlooking universe appraised him as the model of sanity and the pattern of supreme mortal devotion to the high standards of spiritual living. And his controlled enthusiasm was contagious; his associates were constrained to share his divine optimism.

This man of Galilee was not a man of sorrows; he was a soul of gladness. Always was he saying, "Rejoice and be exceedingly glad." But when duty required, he was willing to walk courageously through the "valley of the shadow of death." He was gladsome but at the same time humble.

His courage was equaled only by his patience. When pressed to act prematurely, he would only reply, "My hour has not yet come." He was never in a hurry; his composure was sublime. But he was often indignant at evil, intolerant of sin. He was often mightily moved to resist that which was inimical to the welfare of his children on earth. But his indignation against sin never led to anger at the sinner.

His courage was magnificent, but he was never foolhardy. His watchword was, "Fear not." His bravery was lofty and his courage often heroic. But his courage was linked with discretion and controlled by reason. It was courage born of faith, not the recklessness of blind presumption. He was truly brave but never audacious.

The Master was a pattern of reverence. The prayer of even his youth began, "Our Father who is in heaven, hallowed be your name." He was even respectful of the faulty worship of his fellows. But this did not deter him from making attacks on religious traditions or assaulting errors of human belief. He was reverential of true holiness, and yet he could justly appeal to his fellows, saying, "Who among you convicts me of sin?"

Jesus was great because he was good, and yet he fraternized with the little children. He was gentle and unassuming in his personal life, and yet he was the perfected man of a universe. His associates called him Master unbidden.

Jesus was the perfectly unified human personality. And today, as in Galilee, he continues to unify mortal experience and to co-ordinate human endeavors. He unifies life, ennobles character, and simplifies experience. He enters the human mind to elevate, transform, and transfigure it. It is literally true: "If any man has Christ Jesus within him, he is a new creature; old things are passing away; behold, all things are becoming new."


 


sevens

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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject:
 
Harlyn Surfer

Are you talking about Dalamatia the first learning place on Earth exactly the place The Sumerians where talking about as in the link below.

http://www.dalamatiacity.com/dalamatia

Eden being in the Eastern Med

Also the Urantia Book speaks of Dalamatia. However this place is not Eden. This is physical home of the Sons of Gods before they fell.

Adam and Eve was created in 1stEden of the East Med not in Sumeria. However Adam and Eve was expelled form 1st Eden which led them to the 2nd Garden which is in the North between the Tigris and Euphrates at its most narrow point.

regards
sevens

 
I agree with you Doc, hopefully that should dispell all the conspiracies about 9/11.

Here is a verse which I believe is pointed directly at the murderous Laden generation of the terrorists that he founded.

I found the verse in this

Section V. XCI-CIV (i.e. XCII, XCI. 1-1O, 18-19, XCIII. 1-1O, XCI. 12-17, XCIV-CIV.).
A Book of Exhortation and Promised Blessing for the Righteous and of Malediction and Woe for the Sinners.

 
  • Chapter 94
    1 And now I say unto you, my sons, love righteousness and walk therein;
    For the paths of righteousness are worthy of acceptation,


    But the paths of unrighteousness shall suddenly be destroyed and vanish.

    2And to certain men of a generation shall the paths of violence and of death be revealed,

    And they shall hold themselves afar from them,
    And shall not follow them.


No one should follow Laden and his pack of terrorists. "No one will help them" They will be abandoned for there evil scourge!

Paradise will not and cannot help the terrorist pack because they represent absolute dishonour in the Kingdom of Heaven. Also they use God name in vain in the performance of there evil against humanity at large, including there own more so. There nothing but evil in there motives.

Enoch is very specific about the evil terrorist and there leaders.


regards and the best
sevens

[ 10-01-2006, 07:31 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]


quote:


Do you know what Religion would take over the world then ??? ISLAM.


I don't think Islam will take over as a world religion. At all! Not even close. The religion is completely weakened by evil doctrine against mankind. The Jihad rubbish.

I think Paradise is completely displeasured about Islam and its radicalism.

Radicalism has divided the religion and only displays the lack of control they have over wayward doctrine.

I'm sorry but there is no way that Paradise can support a religion that promotes death and destruction.

If any thing the prophecy in the Quran about Islam will come to pass where it will not exist as a true religion.

Off course they think the end of world for Everone where only they go to Paradise. RUBBISH!

What it is that in the last times Islam will cop a major rebuke from Paradise for there murderous ways. That's what the religion is evolving to a murderous religion with enforced will over man, that is all characteristics of the Lucifer manifesto and these people cannot see that they are being manipulated by the Evil Caligastia and his doctirne!

In know many people is Islam Abhor this violence but the murderous taints all the rest.

I believe more than anything Islam wont survive in its current form.

Completely unattractive religion who only works on Fear and nothing but FEAR!

That's is not Paradise and does not represent the teaching of Jesus in truth. They are disobedient to commands of Jesus of whom they respect and which is included in The Quran. Its becoming a dumb religion.

regards
sevens


quote:


Do you know what Religion would take over the world then ??? ISLAM.


I dont think Islam will take over as a world religion. At all! Not even close. The religion is completely weakend by evil doctrine against mankind. The Jihad rubbish.

I think Paradise is completely displeasured about Islam and its radicalism.

Radicalism has divided the religion and only displays the lack of control they have over wayward doctrine.

I'm sorry but there is no way that Paradise can support a religion that promotes death and destruction.

If any thing the prophecy in the Quran about Islam will come to pass where it will not exist as a true religion.

Off course they think the end of world for Everyone where only they go to Paradise. RUBBISH!

What it is that in the last times Islam will cop a major rebuke from Paradise for there murderous ways. That's what the religion is evolving to a murderous religion with enforced will over man, that has all characteristics of the Lucifer manifesto and these people cannot see that they are being manipulated by the Evil Caligastia and his doctrine!

In know many people in Islam Abhor this violence but the murderous of the religion taints all the rest.

I believe more than anything Islam wont survive in its current form.

Completely unattractive religion who only works on Fear and nothing but FEAR!

That's is not Paradise and does not represent the teachings of Jesus in truth. They are disobedient to commands of Jesus of whom they respect and which is included in The Quran. Its becoming a dumb religion.

Also I say for extreme Christians don't follow the path of Islam and the Jihad rubbish in reaction.

That's is not the right path either.

The Children Christian army is a case in point. That is stupid to raised Kids to fight how absurd!

To raise children in all the rubbish doctrines, again the ill informed enforcing there will upon children who dont know better.

To me its a reaction operation by the same evil one Caligastia who is manipulating Islam to bring division between man.

Its all a major deception amongst all the other deceptions going on in this planet.

regards
sevens

[ 10-01-2006, 04:20 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


Well whatever the truth is the planet is suffering regardless of all stats. Crime is cutting down all out trees particularly in Indonesia and other places where crime operates freely, countries are wayward in there respect to the planet just filling the atmosphere with carbon monoxide and other associated poisons.

Whatever the truth is the earth has degraded and needs repair and has to reduce Co2 and its other poisons because we are chopping our trees down our lungs for profit motivation.

Stats really mean nothing when you look at the true reality of man.

Maybe there should be stats on the damage man has done and still does by the barons and by crime elements that even governments have no control over.

By the way these crime elements as written in Enoch will be wiped out including there progeny at judgement. I'm mean that's what the book says. This is not my idea just what the Enoch says and I respect Enoch's words.

Also this last rights false doctrine business for crime people bringing man down will not help them, they will form no part of Paradise. There will be no life for them in the future destiny of Paradise and earth.

Take note all crime and murderous families who persist in complete disobedience to words of Jesus and The Father of Paradise. This is no crap but the real truth and reality of persistent and unrepentant crime will receive no blessings at all form Paradise.

The Last rights bribe for persistent and unrepentant crime does not work. That's is completely false. Utterly wrong.

Rather than relying on stats just take a look around!!!! That's the reality.

As you know stats can be manufactured to justify any position and in this spirit does not represent the real truth and all encompassing realities.

regard
sevens

[ 10-01-2006, 04:56 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]


I reckon the only religion that will survive in my view is personal religion of truth that incorporates all the books of truth from all cultures and includes all the discoveries which also incorporates the Urantia book. But people have that choice. The UB is only a book not a religion, design to kick man along a bit in his personal religion, an expansion book of ones own faith. That's all it is.

No doubt the truth will reveal itself.

It wont be a religion of dominance or forced will or anything like that, religion will more personalised based on time/space and realities man and angels working together as a team which incorporates all mankind in just evolving truth, personal truth and personal discovery revelation.

I'm not sure about a Mahdi coming out of middle east. I think it will come from another place. I don't know where but not the middle east, The vulgate says from the orient the KJV says its a branch. The orient eh! from the east in another book.

Personally I think the UB is the Mahdi associated with the ultimate Mahdi Jesus.

I don't know see what happens in the journey.

regards
sevens


Posted: Tue Oct 03, 2006 8:56 pm    Post subject:
 
Hi HST and Qoasis,

I got Goosebumps reading the article.

I was thinking would this really be a description of the location. Considering Eden had a volcano on the peninsula which was to the west within the sea,. Volcano referring to My Olympus of Cyprus. Mind you this is the location where they ruled and colonies throughout the Med shoreline.

I was thinking would this really be a description of the location. Considering Eden had a volcano on the peninsula which was to the west within the sea,. Volcano referring to My Olympus of Cyprus. Mind you this is the location where they ruled and colonies throughout the Med shoreline.

 

    Both Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus described certain "Atlantean" tribes who lived in Libya. Herodotus describes them as living in the vicinity of Mt. Atlas (History, Book IV), and Diodorus (Lib. Hist., Book III) says they lived "in the regions which lie close to the shore of the ocean." Both descriptions fit the modern North African country of Morocco. But most importantly, these very people retained traditions of a time when they were ruled by Ouranos, Cronos and Atlas.



Also could the below be the remnants of the Atlantean colonies that survived the flood and transmigrated thus spreading the legend.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=Cro-Magnons&submit=Submit

 

    The early expansion of the violet race into Europe was cut short by certain rather sudden climatic and geologic changes. With the retreat of the northern ice fields the water-laden winds from the west shifted to the north, gradually turning the great open pasture regions of Sahara into a barren desert. This drought dispersed the smaller-statured brunets, dark-eyed but long-headed dwellers of the great Sahara plateau.

    The purer indigo elements moved southward to the forests of central Africa, where they have ever since remained. The more mixed groups spread out in three directions: The superior tribes to the west migrated to Spain and thence to adjacent parts of Europe, forming the nucleus of the later Mediterranean long-headed brunet races.

    The least progressive division to the east of the Sahara plateau migrated to Arabia and thence through northern Mesopotamia and India to faraway Ceylon. The central group moved north and east to the Nile valley and into Palestine.

    (Could the immediate above give clues to the original Egytians of the Nile and also relates to the article in the above post of HST. I think it a reference to the very first Egyptians of the Nile 36,000 years ago.)

    It is this secondary Sangik substratum that suggests a certain degree of kinship among the modern peoples scattered from the Deccan through Iran, Mesopotamia, and along both shores of the Mediterranean Sea.

    About the time of these climatic changes in Africa, England separated from the continent, and Denmark arose from the sea, while the isthmus of Gibraltar, protecting the western basin of the Mediterranean, gave way as the result of an earthquake, quickly raising this inland lake to the level of the Atlantic Ocean.

    (In the above could be clues to the British Isle land bridge submergence referring to Aquaxel posts on the British Isle.)

    Presently the Sicilian land bridge submerged, creating one sea of the Mediterranean and connecting it with the Atlantic Ocean. This cataclysm of nature flooded scores of human settlements and occasioned the greatest loss of life by flood in all the world's history.

    This engulfment of the Mediterranean basin immediately curtailed the westward movements of the Adamites, while the great influx of Saharans led them to seek outlets for their increasing numbers to the north and east of Eden. As the descendants of Adam journeyed northward from the valleys of the Tigris and Euphrates, they encountered mountainous barriers and the then expanded Caspian Sea. And for many generations the Adamites hunted, herded, and tilled the soil around their settlements scattered throughout Turkestan. Slowly this magnificent people extended their territory into Europe. But now the Adamites enter Europe from the east and find the culture of the blue man thousands of years behind that of Asia since this region has been almost entirely out of touch with Mesopotamia.
     



(then in the following you have information about the CroMagnon man like in the article.)

 

    The ancient centers of the culture of the blue man were located along all the rivers of Europe, but only the Somme now flows in the same channel which it followed during preglacial times.

    While we speak of the blue man as pervading the European continent, there were scores of racial types. Even thirty-five thousand years ago the European blue races were already a highly blended people carrying strains of both red and yellow, while on the Atlantic coastlands and in the regions of present-day Russia they had absorbed a considerable amount of Andonite blood and to the south were in contact with the Saharan peoples. But it would be fruitless to attempt to enumerate the many racial groups.

    The European civilization of this early post-Adamic period was a unique blend of the vigor and art of the blue men with the creative imagination of the Adamites. The blue men were a race of great vigor, but they greatly deteriorated the cultural and spiritual status of the Adamites. It was very difficult for the latter to impress their religion upon the Cro-Magnoids because of the tendency of so many to cheat and to debauch the maidens. For ten thousand years religion in Europe was at a low ebb as compared with the developments in India and Egypt.

    (So long ago in the past ,there was two advanced cultures in regligion Egypt and India. This completely makes sense and a remnant of this early religious culture could be the Sphinx which was I think built 11,000 years ago.)

    The blue men were perfectly honest in all their dealings and were wholly free from the sexual vices of the mixed Adamites. They respected maidenhood, only practicing polygamy when war produced a shortage of males.


    These Cro-Magnon peoples were a brave and farseeing race. They maintained an efficient system of child culture. Both parents participated in these labors, and the services of the older children were fully utilized. Each child was carefully trained in the care of the caves, in art, and in flint making. At an early age the women were well versed in the domestic arts and in crude agriculture, while the men were skilled hunters and courageous warriors.

    The blue men were hunters, fishers, and food gatherers; they were expert boatbuilders. They made stone axes, cut down trees, erected log huts, partly below ground and roofed with hides. And there are peoples who still build similar huts in Siberia. The southern Cro-Magnons generally lived in caves and grottoes.

    It was not uncommon during the rigors of winter for their sentinels standing on night guard at cave entrances to freeze to death. They had courage, but above all they were artists; the Adamic mixture suddenly accelerated creative imagination. The height of the blue man's art was about fifteen thousand years ago, before the days when the darker-skinned races came north from Africa through Spain.

    About fifteen thousand years ago the Alpine forests were spreading extensively. The European hunters were being driven to the river valleys and to the seashores by the same climatic coercion that had turned the world's happy hunting grounds into dry and barren deserts. As the rain winds shifted to the north, the great open grazing lands of Europe became covered by forests. These great and relatively sudden climatic modifications drove the races of Europe to change from open-space hunters to herders, and in some measure to fishers and tillers of the soil.

    These changes, while resulting in cultural advances, produced certain biologic retrogressions. During the previous hunting era the superior tribes had intermarried with the higher types of war captives and had unvaryingly destroyed those whom they deemed inferior. But as they commenced to establish settlements and engage in agriculture and commerce, they began to save many of the mediocre captives as slaves. And it was the progeny of these slaves that subsequently so greatly deteriorated the whole Cro-Magnon type.

    This retrogression of culture continued until it received a fresh impetus from the east when the final and en masse invasion of the Mesopotamians swept over Europe, quickly absorbing the Cro-Magnon type and culture and initiating the civilization of the white races.

    (So there was major admixation eh! Assimilation and the beginnings of the White race. A blue man and Cro Magnon blend with some Adamic.)
     




I enjoyed that article very much offered by HST.

I still got Goosebumps.

all regards and blessings
sevens


Far out its pretty illicit and widespread evil industry right in the bowls of Government. If that is total case, I feel Paradise or Kingdom of Heaven will have something to say about that.

Also there final demise for those doing this evil will most likely result in personality extinction for those involved as if they were never born.

However if they desist and repent that's another story.

What's the point to be involved in that illicit industry, bringing man to nothing where there is no ultimate destiny. Nothing! Zippo!

If the CIA is involved covertly, what's the point of these individuals perpetuating this where they can enjoy personality extinction.

Just seems so stupid in the light of truth.

And yet (if responsible) they put there hand on the bible and swear all this allegiance hypocrisy standing for nothing and shows you how rife the evil is in government bent on control which I know will not succeed at all.

Because Paradise Trinity will block them just like that and the perpetrators will runaway from themselves as cowards as they ultimately are.

Such evil and yet in God in we trust eh!(if responsible)....yeah right!

No prayer or religion could ever save these people. All of them from grower, distribution even there families will all be at risk because they willingly persist to destroy man for selfish material and spiritual control over there fellows through evil.

The new world will have none of these people. They will be all gone as if they were never born and with no destiny of the eternal realm in the future.

Why even now there realities are changing, even as we speak, the noose will tighten and there realities will come against them, all of them if they persist. The damn lot of them. No one will escape.

Even there prayers are an insult and an offense to the Paradise. These people will not survive I sense as we go down the present timeline Paradise is tightening and the message will get sharper and more strict as Paradise requires obedience to the laws of the universe family.

Love for one another!

Paradise will tighten its grip, on the grip! The angels will make sure these people will fall and fail in there attempts to destroy man.

Here is an example of the roll call at the end of an dispensation and what evil people look forward to at the end of the day.

UB link

 
  • The technique of justice demands that personal or group guardians shall respond to the dispensational roll call in behalf of all nonsurviving personalities. The Adjusters of such nonsurvivors do not return, and when the rolls are called, the seraphim respond, but the Adjusters make no answer. This constitutes the "resurrection of the unjust," in reality the formal recognition of the cessation of creature existence. This roll call of justice always immediately follows the roll call of mercy, the resurrection of the sleeping survivors. But these are matters which are of concern to none but the supreme and all-knowing Judges of survival values. Such problems of adjudication do not really concern us.


With all these discoveries of our origins could be the sign of the formal end of this dispensation. Very soon.

If your involved in willing evil knowing the truth. I would suggest DESIST from this action.


regards
sevens

[ 10-03-2006, 05:10 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]



 


http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=000958;p=23#000904
Hi Found that interesting

 

quote:


This new discovery of a "5th Root Race" suggest children being born now, or have recently been born, will be the ones who help usher in a new paradigm. Greg Little also suggest it is this period, perhaps the year 2004, just happens to be what Edgar Cayce describes as the "Year of Disclosure". Yes, wait until you hear my voice of excitement during the interview
 


If my hunch is right

I hope you don't mind me personalising but I think Cayce clearly points to this.


Gess! I wonder whether this relates to the fifth epochal revelation (the Urantia Book) and 1st Eden discovered in 2004 (1st expedition).

I'm just curious if this relates to 1stEden and all the other discoveries, Well I would definitely consider myself a child of this 5th Epochal revelation or fifth race of the roots (origins) subscribing to its truth and its connection to Eden, Dalamatia and also mentions the history of India which relates to submerged remnants of the Bay of Cambay. Urantia Book mentions this place, indirectly 9000BC and back.

I don't think this is genetic but spiritual.


Even though it was a year of disclosure of our origins I must say the reaction was pitiful and quite pathetic for something so big and strikes the heart of everything relating to our origins.

Even with the discovery of Dalamatia the Sevenfold home, again no reaction just nothing. I think man is not sharp enough or too pride filled to click on, its really for the new generation, not this one.

Regardless what I think it was an interesting link and idea. Seems to have a number of clues.

Wheres the interview and information relating to this fifth root race???

Well I went to the Wikipedia here is what I found the its related to the Epochs, the Fifth Epoch??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_race
all regards

Here is some Urantia Book stuff for those just remotely interested.


http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/webglimpse/usr/local/www/data/papers?query=fifth+epoch&submit=Submit

 

  • We conceive that physical evolution will have attained its full development by the end of the fifth epoch of the light-and-life era. We observe that the upper limits of spiritual development associated with evolving human mind are determined by the Adjuster-fusion level of conjoint morontia values and cosmic meanings. But concerning wisdom: While we do not really know, we conjecture that there can never be a limit to intellectual evolution and the attainment of wisdom. On a seventh-stage world, wisdom can exhaust the material potentials, enter upon mota insight, and eventually even taste of absonite grandeur.


and some more

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper52.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper52.html&line=112#mfs

 

  • During the closing ages of this dispensation, society begins to return to more simplified forms of living. The complex nature of an advancing civilization is running its course, and mortals are learning to live more naturally and effectively. And this trend increases with each succeeding epoch. This is the age of the flowering of art, music, and higher learning. The physical sciences have already reached their height of development. The termination of this age, on an ideal world, witnesses the fullness of a great religious awakening, a world-wide spiritual enlightenment. And this extensive arousal of the spiritual natures of the races is the signal for the arrival of the bestowal Son and for the inauguration of the fifth mortal epoch.


some more

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper99.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper99.html&line=98#mfs

 

  • And these three partial approaches to the reality of the cosmos must eventually become harmonized by the revelatory presentation of religion, philosophy, and cosmology which portrays the triune existence of spirit, mind, and energy proceeding from the Trinity of Paradise and attaining time-space unification within the Deity of the Supreme.



and some more

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper77.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper77.html&line=171#mfs

 

  • Their chief work today is that of unperceived personal-liaison associates of those men and women who constitute the planetary reserve corps of destiny. It was the work of this secondary group, ably seconded by certain of the primary corps, that brought about the co-ordination of personalities and circumstances on Urantia which finally induced the planetary celestial supervisors to initiate those petitions that resulted in the granting of the mandates making possible the series of revelations of which this presentation is a part.

    But it should be made clear that the midway creatures are not involved in the sordid performances taking place under the general designation of "spiritualism." The midwayers at present on Urantia, all of whom are of honorable standing, are not connected with the phenomena of so-called "mediumship"; and they do not, ordinarily, permit humans to witness their sometimes necessary physical activities or other contacts with the material world, as they are perceived by human senses.



and last one.

http://www.urantia.org/cgi-bin/webglimpse/mfs/usr/local/www/data/papers?link=http://mercy.urantia.org/papers/paper195.html&file=/usr/local/www/data/papers/paper195.html&line=115#mf s

 

  • But Christianity was sufficiently socialized and paganized that, while it was impotent to stay the oncoming dark ages, it was the better prepared to survive this long period of moral darkness and spiritual stagnation. And it did persist on through the long night of Western civilization and was still functioning as a moral influence in the world when the renaissance dawned. The rehabilitation of Christianity, following the passing of the dark ag