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Hi
Hi Ive been looking into the the differences of Paul's Gospel to that of Abner.
Trying to understand the difference and then identifying the root cause. Abner
was in direct contact with Jesus and leader of the 70 so his teachings would be
equally as valid as the ideas of the occident.
Abner's idea was the primarily The Gospel of Kingdom of Heaven and the
Brotherhood of mankind.
Similar to what we see in Islam essentially and the very early teachings of the
Eastern Christian Branch of Christianity.
Abner was in charge of the Eastern Branch which was headed in Philadelphia. In
revelations there is message to that particular church. I'm assuming that this
blessings is for the end times and being a message for the Church of
Philadelphia, the message extends to the religious branches that subscribe to
this promise which I believe extends to Islam or the religions of the
Abnernarian Gospel of Jesus' message.
Quote:
Revelation 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
I'm not sure how one would take the latter, you have to search that for
yourself. But I do believe that its a message for the middle eastern and eastern
Med branch of the real gospel of Fatherhood and brotherhood of the kingdom and
who have overcome destruction and division, the works of Satan. There is a crown
reserved and no one is gong to take it away. It gives us further clues that is
connected to the key of David, The key of David which my research indicates is
connected to Eden and its glaring message. Regardless of the name there is a key
involved in a mystery, and when that mystery is realised and shared beforehand,
the door will be opened for a time, an opportunity given and then the door will
close and no man will be able to open it, meaning when man realises his demise
of rejection and the door or opportunity is closed. God wont hear his prayers!.
I believe that key is Eden, the discovery of it and it will ensue. Its all to do
with a key, a lock and a door. He who hears the message and adheres to it, the
message of goodwill he will overcome.
That's what I see as the promise to the Abners church and its branches.
Note the, "I make a Pillar in the temple" would that be a reference to the Kabba
stone, "I make a pillar in the temple". Is that a hint.?? Is there a duality, in
connection to Eden of Cyprus, a pillar in the temple the acropolis Hill could
that be the key to the lock, The ruins and what is found on the Acropolis Hill.
A duality connection.
There could be many clues here, and those who overcome are the ones who overcome
the voice of division and warfare. The road is peace and goodwill and there is a
very big promise here for Islam and those who follow and adhere to the truth
which is in the Quran and the Early Jesus gospel of the Eastern Branch, the
Kingdom of Heaven Paradise Gospel. Same message.
I think that is very interesting.
Quote:
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
I find allot in this, Like a ritual that will be replaced by a new city and new
temple that no one has to leave. The city is lowered and the knowledge that new
city extends will be a new book that will have a new name. If this is the case,
it would fulfill the Quran prophecy that it will be replaced by a new book from
heaven overnight. But in a positive light? Not in a light of disaster.
I would also like to point out the following
Quote:
I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,
Its like today, who is today, pointing fingers at the Jews with accusations and
threats. These same threats is what Gods sees as lies, written in the books
directly, I'm not making this up its in black and white. . You can work that one
for yourself. But then It does suggest that they who are pointing the finger and
are motivated with hearts of hate in Gods name will be humbled and they are
associated with the church of Satan. These are the divisive and violent people
who destroy willingly, innocent people in the name of Gods name, all sides.
food for thought.
regards
sevens
Edited by sevens on 09/10/06 02:31 AM.
Sorry I'm confused. I did
pick up his argument and demonstrated that it could of been an anomaly by using
2 different types of Software where I found inconsistency in Nikas pictures to
the area.
What I mean by scripts is all the information of all the cultures in the past,
particularly the BC books and religious books of all cultures. Each culture has
a piece of the puzzle. They all have the same story about the place but suited
to ones culture at the time.
Anyway you know my website, check it our more fully there could be some clues
there and see if it may relates to Malta instead.
Anyway I gave you a couple of leads regarding Malta and its history. Also I did
say that he should get some proper surveys of the place of available. Im not
against the idea, we have established old coastline pictures that look
compelling. What to say another civilisation lived near Malta at that time of
Eden 34,000 years before the deluge which could of been an outpost of Atlantis
of Cyprus?? Nothing wrong with that idea but more information and research has
to be gathered.
Anyway what wrong with the Urantia Book, its a good book, pity people don't take
the time to research it and read it fully with out all the opinions and no
research. Maybe if they did read it, it may lead then to a great discovery that
would have more significance than just tourism.
Who knows it could change the world. You just never know about life and the
course it takes in this area.
regards
sevens
[ 09-10-2006, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
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How do you explain the
theory in detail using science and data. Convincing argument on what?? Where is
the science? Where is the scripts and not just Plato as this place goes beyond
the writings of Plato.
You cant rely on Google alone, Google says its there and world wind says its
not. Although I did say that I wouldn't be surprised that there are ruins under
the water near Malta but not in the position that Nikas says I don't know as one
program says one thing and another program says something different.
So there you go confusion already. Although he did highlight the Sicilian land
bridge submergence which is completely evident by observing what I think is the
old coastline and what appears to be water gouging in the vast waterways of the
land bridge. Also there is hard evidence of survey done of the coast of Southern
France in an submerged river canyon. Basically what they proved that the med was
way lower than today because of the Gilbraltor dam.
But what Nikas has found is either a old canyon of an old river system or
nothing. Some search would have done to see if anything lays there and a proper
study would have to be done using the latest bathy data of the area, if it
exists.
Also I did place some information that was a hint to the ancient ruins in Malta,
a civilisation that goes back over 7000 years ago that settled near present day
Carthage. This is before the Phoenicians and are related to the Egyptians in my
view. Also Italian archaeologists found evidence of ancient ruins in Tunisia but
that's all I know. This could be a reflection of that ancient civilisation.
Here is the link of ancient river canyons of Sth France.
Ancient
River canyons of France
At the end of the day a survey has to done of the area that Nikas is interested
in to see if manmade ruins lay there.
regards
sevens
[ 09-10-2006, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
I really liked Massoud, I
saw a documentary on him before he got killed and I really liked him. I thought
he a good man, its a pty that he was murdered.
I get the feeling that Osama is loosing his power base and influence, I think
the peace loving Muslims are just sick of the guy bringing everyone down to this
low level of existence not to mention religion at large. Religion has never been
at its lowest ebb.
One day I hope it improves. Many people just don't have faith anymore and are
losing confidence in everything even the future.
regards
sevens
I really liked Massoud, I saw a documentary on him before he got
killed. What a shame. I thought he a good man, its a pity that he was murdered.
I get the feeling that Osama is loosing his power base and influence, I think
the peace loving Muslims are just sick of the guy bringing everyone down to this
low level of existence not to mention religion at large. Religion has never been
at its lowest ebb. I personally feel that when people start to see things in
proper prospective in light of everything they will look at Osama and think
again. Actually those people will abandon him, slowly but surely as the truth
reveals itself more and more. They will abandon him and go home to help there
families, the the great priority, I can feel it. I can also feel the tide of
change happening in his reality. Very much as a better alternative will arise
which brings us to the future.
One day I hope it improves. Many people just don't have faith anymore and are
losing confidence in everything even the future.
Well one thing for sure the scribes who counted the towers that fell and who are
hiding are identified in the Bible will be accountable for there actions.
undoubtedly!
Its all there in black and white and actually they link those evil terrorist
actions with the Synagogue of Satan as mentioned in revelation 3, Its in the
blessings of the Church of Philadelphia, the clue lays there.
regards
sevens
no worries brig, III take it easy.
Anyway here is some info in point form things that make Cyprus Atlantis and Eden
from the clues left behind by Plato, in my view. Cyprus is a fulfilment of these
clues and was mentioned in all the books of religion in all cultures in around
the Med.
http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/press_blueprint.htm
regards
sevens
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| Hi my name is Sevens. I think we are in the midst of prophecy fulfilling itself right now. Over the last years I have conducted a simple search for Eden in all the religious book of all one God religions regardless of doctrine. I think there is a planetary judgement that real close and it all has to do with the Garden of Eden discovered of Cyprus. As mentioned in the Rev 3 in the blessings of Philadelphia being expressed as the Key of David, When that key is realized through the realisation of it then the the process begins. I feel that judgement timing process follows the 10 week process explained in the Book of Enoch that no one reads. Also all the time markers and the sevens pattern all conjunct on the day of 911. However III put 3 days on top of that as 3 days is important. The best advise is chill, relax and do good unto others and connect with God in your own way that you know connects. This has nothing to do with doctrine or dogma nor religions (however true (personal) religion helps very much) as man has to speak for himself and his motivations. Got nothing to do with religious exclusivity or being apart of the club. It has nothing to do with that. Its just straight forward judgement affects all man, regardless. I really think it has to with the discovery of what lays on toop of the Acropolis Hill, there will be some undeniable evidencr there. I feel its the key of David and soon the door will be open and then shut tight, just as quick as it opened, no man will be able to open it after its closed through pray, no man. When is done, its done. those left behind will have their problems. As much will be withdrawn during the earth changes that is scheduled for this planet. So keep you eye on Eden and see what develops there. I reckon its the big sign. No Bull! Any If I'm wrong, no worries sorry, however I feel I should share this in case its right. Anyway here is my site where I compiled all my research [url]http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com[/url] all the best sevens see what happens eh! |
Its a real problem when religion is mixed with state, look at the
problems that come out of it. Maybe religion should just stick to spirituality
in the promotion of good works and raising top of the line leaders rather than
those who would rather stupid religious war, and self vain gloriousness with
violence.
Anyway the religious leaders who intend on destroying the world for his own ends
is just stupid and blinded.
regards
sevens
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atif Ahmed
Thank you Atif Ahmed for your great blessings of Allah may he bless you and the research you did on Ibn Abbas. Why I was so intrigued by the surname is that surname is in my linage. I was always intuited by the surname and its unusually rare, I think. I thought it was Armenian but I'm starting to think its Arabian. I'm amazed that the family came from Quraish and again you have Ur connection as in the Quran and Urantia, like a triple parallel connection in sound. I suppose what this search becomes is of perhaps one origins. I don't know! I was always curious about that element in name. But anyway about the Kabba stone I respect your rituals about it, I understand the personal symbolism in action and dedication. No problem, since I have journeyed the Quran and the all the other books I have learnt to appreciate all religions more having delved into there books. It has been a big blessing and revelation for me. I appreciate all the solid connections in all the religions. I'm not sure whether I can share this but it comes out of revelations 3 and it about the blessing of the Church of Philadelphia that is directly connected to the 70 disciples who had there headquarters in Philadelphia. The Leader of the Church was called Abner or St Addai or Akbar. Personal I feel Ab or Abba or Abbas in connected with Abner, somehow. In essence there was a disagreement in ideas of God between Abner and Paul which manifested over time through each religion and is exactly what we see today. Understandable. However I believe this time now was foreseen in prophecy by John on Patmos. I feel strongly, that much of Quran that I have read has many commonalities with Abner's ideas being a purest form and was completely accepted by Jesus as Abner was in direct communication with Abner. Leader of the 70. I believe the Quran as compiled by Mohammed absorbed very much the thoughts of Abner. So I feel this blessing is for the religions that contain the elements of the Abnarian ideas. Which the Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of mankind which I believe is the essential belief of the Quran. In essence. Also the Abnerian ideas was contained in the Eastern of Christianity, however very much of the church was absorbed into the Catholic ideas. But very much of the earlier thought were directly connected to Abner's ideas. Here is an extract Revelation 3
I think this blessing is directed towards the
followers of the Quran and the early Christian Church of Abner
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the Sicilian landbridge
Yes Cat youre a real champ.
A real mocker, what the point your making. Put something down.
By the way does any body know the sea level depth of the Sicilian Landbridge
currently using data. Also is there a chart with approximate sea levels of the
past 40,000 years in increments? until today. I can find anything on the web.
Not much info I can find.
Ok I found this graph from Wikipedia. Looks like this link says that 9000 years
ago it was 20m more shallow thats only around 60ft, however around 20,000 years
ago it was about 140m more shallow thats around 420ft. So if the current depth
of the submerged sicilian landbidge is below 420 then the theory doesnt stack up
I suppose.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
Around 34,000 the dam broke and just flooded the place.
I was thinking if the ruins of Malta that lays in 60 ft below sea level then
that would point to the civilisation of Cathage the Andites.
What are the depths of the ruins of Malta?
regards
sevens
[ 09-12-2006, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]
Mike
Give it a break will you.
I replied with some links that should be explored I was also interested in the
depth of the ruins of Malta.
Regarding all the other stuff in your post, Whatever you think, the forum is
only database of replies, big deal. I did mention that near the link.
Anyway your pretty personal guy speaking silly thing personalizing everything
don't worry about it man. I must admit I probably didn't help but anyway, I
don't think Sarmast is interested in oil except for the ruins and lays there.
I was thinking would you have any idea on the depth of the submerged land
bridge, any idea i cant find anything?
regards
sevens
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Hi No worries I went to the
link the links they were good.
But still according to the wikipedia link 22,000 years ago the sea levels were
generally 130 Meters lower. Sure at that time Malta would of been larger
definitely. However, it would been surrounded by water and cut of from the
mainland with around 70 meters difference, if we are assuming the straits are
200M. That's seems to deep to create mud, that's around 420ft or 128m That's
still pretty deep generally.
However if you did an expedition and discovered underwater ruins and calculating
there depth would give you the time period of civilisation.
If the ruins are 50 - 60 ft or so that would equate to around 5000BC or so that
would be around the time of the Andites near Carthage. The deeper you go and
discover, the older the civilisation would be perhaps.
What I think happened is around 34,000 BC the dam broke and submerged the
Sicilian land bridge. Malta, stood firm but allot larger then. Everything washed
away, Atlantis downstream was submerged as well. And being at a lower elevation
would of copped a hiding with all that gravity.
Anyway there going to be down there soon, they should have all the right
equipment to let us know what's there.
Ah! see what happens!
By the way I took the forum database down waste of space.
regards
Sevens
[ 09-12-2006, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]
The Hidden Pearls (extract)
Pearls beautiful manifestations of Allah’s design and creation are born and found in the depths of the ocean within the protection of an oyster shell. Many divers risk their lives to attain these jewels, their shine unmarred, hidden away from human touch & sight. They are lessons in nature for heedful eyes. Have we ever wondered why pearls, the purest and whitest of natural jewels are not found floating on the surface of the ocean for all to see? Have we pondered why all beautiful things are hidden, the pomegranate seeds in their peel white coconut in a coarse shell, diamonds in a mine? And the most beautiful Being beyond our imaginations Allah Ta’ala . Among his best creation, the human being, Allah chose this honour for a woman in order to preserve, protect and purify her beauty and to make it eternal in paradise.
So true in many ways, very nice words and has many meanings of truth.
regards
sevens
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Hi Sameera.
I really enjoyed you post of your scriptures. I thought that contained so much wisdom and is extremely true. I really liked that ones you selected. I think it only demonstrates the great Beauty contained within the The Quran. See how religion can attract people through its sublime and supernal truth contained, I find that's a far better path and the way to go. Anyway, I again enjoyed those beautiful scripture. Do have anymore? Impress mankind and other spiritual brothers of other paths to God of/in Paradise. regards sevens |
Hi PL
I really enjoyed your post, I thought it was interesting. I'm visualising what
your saying. What has been raised about the Sicilian land bridge and Malta is of
quite good import. I think the study of the land bridge and Malta gives us a
good understanding of Atlantis in Cyprus.
I noticed when looking at the Maps that Malta is surrounded by deep water that
which if it was 140 meters lower Malta would still be small island, just a
little larger surrounded by deep sea water and was probably a commercial centre
of the ancients times just like Atlantis Cyprus, maybe they are related as you
say. Must be explored. They were probably regarded as twins. There is said to be
ruins 80 meters deep close to the island. That says something but again I wish
somebody took pictures as per usual if they saw them.
However before the flood the basin waters where much lower and what seems to me
is that the Sicilian Land bridge was perhaps larger than what we think. Off
course one needs proper data but perhaps to research the case of Malta in
connection to Atlantis is thought provoking.
Perhaps before the Gibraltar break Malta was an island on the land bridge,
looking at the gouging effect. Malta could of been within a lake or a salt lake
who knows. But the coast line would of been much further away by perhaps
hundreds of miles by what we see in the images. Maybe there was access through a
river.
Another thing, Atlantis being at a lower elevation would of experienced much
down force of the differences in the elevation of both places. It would of been
a huge Tsunami that impacted on Atlantis/Eden.
Anyway food for thought, I thought the images where quite outstanding and quite
compelling.
It really needs a survey for the ruins if they exist, the idea would be
dependent on what is found and proven
All the best.
regards
sevens
Hey I don't know if this common ground. I
just saw documentary on the Electric car they built in the 80s by General motors
which they canned of course.
But apparently there are some of those models around that run on about 2 dollars
of electricity per month. Apparently the ecar enthusiasts in California have
developed a electric engines that outstrip normally aspirated cars even at the
drag races and now can last for about 500km.
That's what we should have these type of cars but because there were to good
they suppressed the technology to maintain control, make money and destroy the
earth in the meantime.
They are responsible of the devastation we have on this planet. Squarely, just
an clear act of the selfishness we have to live with and suffer with, they
should be all sacked for there environmental crimes done blatantly and no one
can do anything about, we are at there mercy and mankind is so weakened by these
people. No one can do anything about it.
By they way General Motors proclaimed they have just developed a hydrogen car
converting water to energy on demand. What a ploy they say it will take 10 years
to get on the road. What a whole of crap when there is a guy who lives down the
road from me who developed this technology over 20 years ago. Just down the road
and had been driving for free for years. And you General Motors declaring this
rubbish now and all this 10 year in the future propaganda. Crap and lies.
They all say the same thing, like in Russia they have been killing bacteria that
we can even approach in the Western world. But In Russia they kill untreatable
bacteria with Phage, its a specific virus that kills specific bacteria and look
at the western world being led along the garden path with antibiotics
particularly in light of a simple treatment already available for over 30 years
or more.
The Russians get there phage from there local polluted river. That's it how
simple and inexpensive it is using nature. What a testament that is, especially
when we have all this propaganda in the west and reject easy treatments because
there is no money in it. The ugliness of this planet guided by un spiritual
people.
This planet is full of lies and deceit.
The whole world is full of hypocrisy and a boardrooms full of arseholes,
virtually the whole lot them, they all speak the same rubbish and crap. The
robots for relentless profit and dragging out technology regardless of the
destruction currently caused by the love of profit.
Even if it was good for mankind! They'll destroy it.
I would suggest forming a co-operative of like minded people, convert cars into
Electric cars and use for short trips. As the technology becomes better why not
upgrade.
Why not be a cooperative of the people and the Ecar, a non profit scenario.
Where it becomes of the people, for the people like the US was supposed to be.
Not for the money hungry guy who just wants to control your life and give no
care to the planet.
Be a cooperative for the future. Who wants that black crap it just gives us
cancer. Its only the money people that want it, not the planet.
I think that all the car companies and Oil companies should pay a penalty of the
cause of destruction they wrought on this planet and for there crimes in
murdering creative people in technology of the past and present. They present
all this hype with Hydrogen technology using technology that was either bought
out and they simply leaned on the person.
They knew all this technology all along for years and look at them know trying
to claim the savour attitude especially in light of the blood that has been
spilt over this technology.
I give all respect to those creative people that worked on there own trying to
pursue technology that would be good for the planet.
But for those who destroyed them and there quest through fear, they get no
blessings, nor praise nothing because they don't deserve anything for there
actions.
regards
sevens
I was a pissed off when I wrote this after seeing the documentary of the
Ecar!
Hey I don't know if this common ground. I just saw a documentary on the
Electric car they built in the 80s by General motors which they canned of
course.
But apparently there are some of those models around that run on about 2
dollars of electricity per month. Apparently the ecar enthusiasts in
California have developed a electric engines that outstrip normally aspirated
cars even at the drag races and now can last for about 500km.
That's what we should have these type of cars but because there were to good
they suppressed the technology to maintain control, make money and destroy the
earth in the meantime.
They are responsible of the devastation we have on this planet. Squarely, just
an clear act of the selfishness we have to live with and suffer with, they
should be all sacked for there environmental crimes, done blatantly and no one
can do anything about it, we are at there mercy and mankind is so weakened by
these people. No one can do anything about it because the own through debt,
everything. Its a 3 way split of power between Government, the Bank(money
created out of nothing) Paramceuticals, and energy companies oh and the
stockmarket. Like a club and above all. Look at the effects war, pollution,
homelessness, destruction of the environment. unrest, porr government, no
leadership, its a bad refelction of the spirit.
By they way General Motors proclaimed they have just developed a hydrogen car
converting water to energy on demand. What a ploy they say it will take 10
years to get on the road. What a whole of crap when there is a guy who lives
down the road from me who developed this technology over 20 years ago. Just
down the road and had been driving for free for years. And you General Motors
declaring this rubbish now and all this 10 year in the future propaganda. Crap
and lies.
They all say the same thing, like in Russia they have been killing bacteria
that we can even approach in the Western world. But In Russia they kill
untreatable bacteria with Phage, its a specific virus that kills specific
bacteria and look at the western world being led along the garden path with
antibiotics particularly in light of a simple treatment already available for
over 30 years or more.
The Russians get there phage from there local polluted river. That's it how
simple and inexpensive it is using nature. What a testament that is,
especially when we have all this propaganda in the west and reject easy
treatments because there is no money in it. The ugliness of this planet guided
by un spiritual people.
This planet is full of lies and deceit.
The whole world is full of hypocrisy and a boardrooms full of arseholes,
virtually the whole lot of them, they all speak the same rubbish and crap. The
robots for relentless profit and dragging out technology regardless of the
destruction currently caused by the love of profit.
Even if it was good for mankind! They'll destroy it, if there is no money in
it or if its a threat to the bottomline. That's it, cold-hearted, ruthless
products out of our schools.
I would suggest forming a co-operative of like minded people, convert cars
into Electric cars and use for short trips. As the technology becomes better
why not upgrade.
Why not be a cooperative of the people and the Ecar, a non profit scenario.
Where it becomes of the people, for the people like the US was supposed to be.
Not for the money hungry guy who just wants to control your life and give no
care to the planet.
Be a cooperative for the future. Who wants that black crap it just gives us
cancer. Its only the money people that want it, not the planet.
I think that all the car companies and Oil companies should pay a penalty of
the cause of destruction they wrought on this planet and for there crimes in
murdering creative people in technology of the past and present. They present
all this hype with Hydrogen technology using technology that was either bought
out and they simply leaned on the person.
They knew all this technology all along for years and look at them know trying
to claim the savour attitude especially in light of the blood that has been
spilt over this technology.
I give all respect to those creative people that worked on there own trying to
pursue technology that would be good for the planet.
But for those who destroyed them and there quest through fear, they get no
blessings, nor praise nothing because they don't deserve anything for there
actions.
regards
sevens
Hi Brig.
I was a little pissed and still am, according to this documentary apparently the
people who own these Ecars are very happy, although the charge was an issue but
new developments have taken the Electric car to a new level that is far superior
than fuel. Even beats the drag cars as I saw in power and speed.
What really gets me is that so many Hydrogen developers and innovators have died
or just got murdered for there great inventions, the Fuel vaporiser is another
case in point.
And now after all the bloodshed here you have perpetrators claiming Hydrogen as
there own. Garbage, all they did was just intimidated the inventors and stole
the technology. You know how these people think. There ruthless and haven't got
a bone conscience. You wouldn't even invite these people into your house.
As I mentioned about the guy down the road, he can make trip to Sydney and back
within 24 hrs on a litre of water. Also the government hassle him all the time
and threats have been made by the relevant companies to, whats new.
And look at these automobile and oil companies just flogging the human race and
then they have the Gaul to say its 10 years before its available. You and I know
that's a big lie, they can do something if they wanted to now, they have
leverage, technology and the money and power.
Gee now there talking about Methane another Greenhouse gas, another profit
motivated decision. Eventually we will have to go to water. It obvious.
These car companies are all bad and society lets this happen because people are
just sucked in by there deception and fear. People don't know any better.
I'm no commo but I think the free enterprise system is completely out of line
and I think its unsustainable in its present form.
Plus I'm not sure if competitiveness is all that healthy, considering it breads
a society of ruthlessness and heartlessness and that is the root problem of our
society. Its the winner and loser society of self vain glory. Also, if it is the
land of liberty why are so many people in jail over the smallest petty things.
You know when you have been in Jail your life is stuffed in the winner/loser
society. There is virtually no opportunity there after. That is so cruel.
Its almost like a breakdown and also explains why drugs are so prevalent because
most people aren't happy and under enormous pressure and have no faith in the
government who represent the loser/winner society, where law enforcement or the
police force is just like a paramilitary operation of social control to the
extreme.
I just feel that our society is real trouble in some ways and its very under
pinning will falter particularly in spirit. The banks are responsible for this
in the main through charm of ego and debt, the ultimate power perception over
all. Money, the stuff banks made out of nothing, absolutely nothing and who pays
the price for this you do! the planet pays for it and our future generations,
the ultimate price.
regards
sevens
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Well I have no
doubt that Cyprus is Atlantis I don't think its Malta at all. You're really
speaking of a later time frame.
Where talking about 38,000 years ago. Even before those ruins of the Maltese
coast were even made.. Yes even before that time of perhaps 15,000-22,000 its
still post Gibraltar break, post flood,
Plus you have all the books of scripture from all cultures that left there mark
concerning this place which points to the place and the knowledge is within all
cultures of the past, Even in the Urantia Book, the latest presentation of the
Gods. We are talking the land of the Gods aren't we, The Gods of Atlantis and
Eden. the same place and then you have this latest presentation leading us to
physical proof. Says much more than Plato only and not to mention any mystery
that surrounds this place concerning today and any message that he holds for us
today.
Looking at just Plato (600BC) only and trying to tie it down through
interpretations of a language that was never used 38,000 years ago to me makes
no sense. All writings of Plato are recent in comparison to what lays there.
The place is mentioned in the Book of the Dead(1500BC) as the Isle of Maati and
not to mention the mention of Eden in all the other BC books. They all speak of
Eden or isle of Maati near Egypt, Lebanon, and do speak of the deluge that
happened, in there neck of the woods.
Doesn't speak about Malta at all concerning the deluge. I think the time frame
you covering is recent.
Thinking Atlantis is Malta doesn't make sense as in those days when the dam was
closed, the Med was a basin and was a completely different landscape where the
pillars of Heracles never it existed. There where no pillars there. Any pillars
would be a local monument which passed down in time through symbolism. Where not
talking about 20, 000 years ago but 34,000 years, the time of the great deluge
that was remembered and past down in time.
All nations since that time have tried to equate themselves to this time of
Atlantis, the land of the Gods hoping they are a part of the Gene pool or
something.
Anyway when the land bridge was up there was probably no Malta at all 38,000
years ago was just a mountain and it was not within a big sea. Even the Book of
Jubilees speaks of 2 inland seas, Atil and Mauk and speaks of the destruction
coming from the West, the submergence of the Sicilian Land bridge and mentions
directly Eden and its sign for this time of discovery. Directly and relates to
Noahs family and then you have Jesus in the 1st Book of the Adam saying, I will
bring you back in the garden where there is light The Kingdom of Heaven. All
related to Eden of Cyprus.
When Atlantis was up and dry it fulfils all of Plato's clues and consider the
Volcano that rose probably 6000 ft above ground level and could be seen from
Atlantis on a clear day. Atlantis as you can see, by all description and in
prophecy and in history is in Cyrus which was connected by a isthmus to the
mainland which had gates. 12 Gates.
These gates are the original Pillars of Heracles. The Gates of the Gods and they
can be seen as described in the Urantia Book and Egyptian sources speak of them.
Atlantis found of Cyprus is exactly what Plato described like Plato says, you
have remnants of the city down there in to major areas that are obvious..
Sorry Nikas but I think your research is flawed with regard to the time frame.
Your looking into after the flood time period. Well after the deluge of
Atlantis, the first place.
Anyway the only way to find out is launch an expedition, go out there. to Malta,
explore it. The ruins of Malta its 80 meters deep according to some reports. But
that's still in the post Flood time era because that whole region was above
water and was quite vast allot larger than what people think. Malta was
landlocked and was not within an inland sea. It had nothing to do with Atlantis
pre flood, no connection.
However way back in 38,000 years ago forward to 34,000, there developed early
sea traffic but only within the Sea of Atil, an inland sea and perhaps there was
a colony on the Land bridge on the coast but the coastline was further towards
the East. Miles away from present Malta.
The Med wasn't even open or accessible, no pillars there. Its when people speak
of the pillars of Gilbraltar and relate it to Atlantis in the west from there
you know that there theory is in the wrong time frame in a different reality to
the original truth.
Its like when you look at the images the first sea Mauk filled and reached it
brim the Sicilian Land bridge bursted which is evident by the gouging makes and
flowed in to the Sea of Atil (Atlantis) until the point of equilibrium.
You can see the point of burst of the land bridge, looking to the west.
The if you look in the following is river path flowing into the Sea of Atil
until the point of equilibrium.
That's what I think
regards
sevens
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Well at the end of the day everyone has got there opinion which is
fine. I personally think it stacks up and there is the evidence. And the leader
of the expedition was led to the location. Actually wrote a book about
predicting the location of the ruins beforehand and they were there.
You guy forget there are 2 major target areas.
I think he makes an excellent case, give me a break you've got all components in
word and ruins there. No body here has come to that. It only theory upon
theory,.....nothing rally just thoughts but nothing else.
Robert and all the books seem to make a very good case.
I think the Cyprus theory looks good. If feel people want to forget about those
multiple ruins down there but its inconvenient.
regards
sevens
To be quite honest I just
assumed that Mt Olympus was a volcano, sometime ago I did notice on a geological
survey that the area of the location is igneous rock. Maybe the old Volcano
wasn't active at that time. Your probably right. 6000 ft that was just my guess
. I'm not sure of the height of the mountain and thinking it would of been one
mile higher perhaps because of the deluge and rising sea levels.
I think it was an old volcano, wasn't it?. Well anyway, maybe if one had
binoculars in that time they could see it. However the highlands and beautiful
mountains does exist and can be clearly seen on the bathymetric maps.
although it talks bout the fire mountains in the west right where it river of
lava follows into the sea to the west. That is mentioned in connection to Eden
in my opinion. Also in the deluge it speaks of volcanic action. I also noticed
that in the Book of Noah in his flood rendition of Eden.
Also there is evidence of springs on the acropolis Hill. Maybe they where hot
which may indicates some volcanic action or activity close by perhaps.
regards
sevens
No problem, are you talking about the Urantia link or the excerpt I
left.
Any look God does observe all and notes what's been rejected. That's ok people
can reject it but is noted. Remember this is real big and there is message
behind it and why people feel uncomfortable because its simply true and has a
convicting element. That's why all this is rejected and was foreseen in
prophecy.
By the way I was distressed about some of the content that some of the Hadiths
contain regarding man and animals.
Is that true, if its is some cultural thing that occurred before Mohammed came.
I hope so.
regards
sevens
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Hi Oasis,
How is it going?
I just believe in the literal account of the Urantia Book. The feeling I get why
the revelators mentioned Carthage was perhaps to give us a better understanding
of the culture of that time in the Sicilian land bridge area. Perhaps many
people who interpret the scripts by relating Atlantis with Spain and Malta are
really reading about this early Andite civilisation which affected Egypt as
mentioned in the Urantia Book but in the recent past.
Maybe the Urantia Book is hinting to this. Maybe later historians and writers
are really speaking of these people and finding and relating aspects of the Gods
of Cyprus (38-34,000) in there interpretations of history and discovering
previous nations trying to make a connection to the original Gods and adopting
the legends in there history, trying to make a genetic connection to a Godly
race. But in connection to this earlier race which was directly related to the
inhabitants of Italy and to the North. Might explain the Blonde and brown hair
in Northern Italy where in the South they are more darker person.
Personally I think the legend of Adam and Eve and the Atlantis Gods comes from
the same place. There was only one and original land of the Gods which was
Cyprus and the legends comes from this place and was intermingled with national
history by all civilizations throughout time since those times. Its all evident
in there books of religion, all the religions, there is always a connection to
the original place.
Its all interesting and all good
Im jsut amazed how you have 3 co planar circles on top of a mountain sounds very
similar to some research in the members section that relates 3 coplanar canals
on the Cyprus Acropolis Hill.
Its quite fascinating how there is a connection. I am so impressed with the
Malta ruins for sure, they are quite impressive and has all the signs of
Atlantis/Eden in Cyprus. Its all the same coplanar circles in Cyprus handed down
through legend through the Andite who also influenced and intermingled with the
early Egyptians. Explains the religion and its reference to the land of the gods
as in Maati.
This I think is the link to Cyprus in later times . Maybe the Urantia inserted
this as a way to bridge the gap, making the connection and parallel to the land
of the Gods the first place in Cyprus.
all the best
sevens
http://www.maltadiscovery.com/v3/eng/index.html
all the best
sevens
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Hi HST
I would like to say that I found your post very interesting. I thought that was
amazing and incredible discovery. I am absolutely impressed.
It was a great read.
I was also wandering in the The UB it speaks of the Cutites and the Sutites
inhabiting the Garden until the deluge. I was wandering if you ever looked into
it and found any links to any reference to a civilisation that connect with
these names?
All the best
sevens
Hi HST
I would like to say that I found your post very interesting. I thought that was
amazing and incredible discovery. I am absolutely impressed.
It was a great read.
I was also wandering in the The UB it speaks of the Cutites and the Sutites
inhabiting the Garden until the deluge. I was wandering if you ever looked into
it and found any links to any reference to a civilisation that connect with
these names?
All the best
sevens
Hi Oasis
About the actual data of the Gibraltar I'm not exactly sure of the break in
actual date and months but personally III just believe the Urantia account. Also
I know there was some core samples that supports the case but more study has to
be done. for sure.
Its all still evolving our ideas, thats why its been good to discuss Malta and
other things to see if we can refine truth a little better based on results.
Regarding Adam and Eve again I seek the Urantia truth, they weren't part of the
Caligastia team. No way. Even though they where influenced by him and faltered,
they never desired to be aligned with him.
I think many words and names have been brought down from history accompanied
with Legend. I think much recent history and reflections of the past of the Gods
have been intermingled with Empirical history. Just by looking at the word Ur.
That combination of Ur is in most names, books, and places of significants, The
Like Ur, Urantia, The Quran, Uran, Uraq, Ural mountains, The Ural sea. allot of
Ur that originate from the middle east and was adopted by later and earlier
races and combined the legend of the Gods as the own and also included the
history within there own history to make the link to the Gods. Evry Civilisation
has done that probably through design knowingly as that is a way of maintaining
s resemblance of truth for a time in the future.
Similar to what we have today when people get this notion they are directly
descendant from Atlantis and write books about there experience and links
themselves to the Gods through there own imagination thus again we have another
compile of Atlantis.
Suddenly a generation down the future find these obscure writings expands on the
idea to incorporate the world where originally it was just a personal experience
combined with past legend interpretation.
All countries , culture, kingship and families do the same by altering and
adding history to make this personal connection to the Gods to lift national
pride. I believe all the cultures did this in later times more sore and what
your reading is a product of that.
That's why you see many Ur references adopted by later civilisations remembering
that legend of Atlantis or Eden was perpetuated in there own culture as a
personal experience to build national strength and feeling.
Everybody desired the personal link to the Gods in name.
I must say Oasis this is truly a journey of discovery of the truth. We all have
to find the truth of the matter in our own way. I'm glad we can discuss all
these things. They should be discuss and thrashed out. Its all for our
edification and for our own journey in quest of truth. This is the honest forum
in town regarding these issues.
Most forums that are related to UB don't go this far in the research of Eden
which is understandable. But to be here and to thrash it out and to feel free to
express is a real good thing for this planet.
I know debate is healthy and works to refine the truth they best way we can that
I'm very happy to discuss all these things. And in addition to be on the
spiritual journey in parallel with the physical discoveries is truly wondrous.
Its a good time to be alive and to witness this event of discovery.
I think its truly remarkable.
It will be certainly interesting, intriguing and fascinating in what they
uncover. A real mystery of suspense and intrigue and yet with so much love for
mankind. You know God really loves all is children of true faith and loves to
thrill us with this great discovery. He has all faith in man who believes and
follows the good paths to him. Its a beautiful gift now and in the future.
Also in answering your question about 350,000 years ago. Much of the advances
then was lost soon after the fall of the Sons of God. When Adam and Eve arrived,
the planet was pretty primitive even in their religions. But Adam and Eve where
recognized by all including the Nodites because of the previous training
delivered through legend.
You know I was thinking that everything that we are discussing and things we
find in the books and the reason being for many of these the religions of the
past was probably designed for us right now. To make the ultimate connections.
All foreseen and manifested by mans own wills but God directing things the whole
time for a time in the future. The grand design of the realities of the Paradise
Trinity in time/space. Past present and future in a oneness of conjunction of
truth/time.
God is calling in all the truth by this conjunction of the everything in the way
of a puzzle or mystery. Its his way of completion in word and in discovery the
intelligence of the Gods. This is truly a path and half.
Incredible! the mind of God.!!! Amazing. The way I feel now, is that I just give
all praise to the Lord for his wonderous and truly Magnificent gifts of
discovery and splendor in a way that we can see and understand.
regards
sevens
Thank you Milanista
But I do all my reading on the net concerning the books. Also I'm not impressed
my posts containing the words of Jesus being torn down. Not impressed with that
at all since there revelation is designed for you guys as Gods way helping.
I'm sick of rejection by all main religions and so is Gods in his sublime
presentation.
Although now there is spiritual in total rejection of his words which includes
the Urantia book. I put hours or research for the benefit of mankind to see it
torn down by the ignorant few who do no research but judge.
God will not take kindly to that and that will include the Christians to who
also reject the expanded truth and the discovery of Eden.
I think its high time for all religions to get of the back side from the set if
crystallised doctrine and wake up and look at the realities that are unfolding
and the message.
There will be a correction for those who wont listen.
Anyway III get a Quran from a local mosque. I'm not confident of my safety by
giving out details of personal address.
Yes that is religion currently has taken because of all the false doctrine of
the sword and religion. Its got nothing to do with physical but its spiritual
message. God is dealing his sword of conviction now. Know that this who reject
will be rejected because of his own prejudice.
regards
sevens
Hi well all I know is that the Pope is now complaining of the
religion being used in war. Its not me know, its the Pope is saying something
about the actions of violence with religious connection. I agree with him.
Regardless who he is and what he represents means nothing in light of what we
see. That's is the truth. The sword has been misinterpreted willingly to justify
the violence attitude. The sword of God is the sword of personal conviction to
follow the right paths of no violence for those with the true that God desires.
Its the be seen as the sword willing violence against others.
That's the true interpretation of that particular scripture.
Its a two edge sword that is presented in a mystery. Those who reject the truth
will be rejected and those who accept and live the truth of no violence will be
saved.
That's it, willing violence in the name of religion is totally forbidden in
Paradise and should be outlawed here to.
I mean to say Islam is in a dangerous path and has division within itself
because of there own doctrinal sects keeping 2 families apart through differing
ideas of God. Look at the sectarian violence. Where does that come from and what
is the end conclusion, disaster.
What doctrine justifies that, looking at the results. Does truth lay there?? I
hardly think so if the results mean needless death and destruction then no truth
lays there, particularly when it can be avoided through a change of
attitude and willingness.
Islam is on a chasm of self destruction as a religion and is probably part of
the refinement, sorting the chaff from the wheat. Remember every religion is
being reviewed and dealt with. Its not a matter of Islam and Christian, This
concerns all religions of the planet.
I feel the angels of religion are dealing with each religion in there own way as
a part of the refinement for the future.
Somehow I sense the pope is starting to activate because he probably realizes
there are a few things concerning Man and God that are on the horizon as we have
been discussing and where much has been rejected and torn down. Everyone is fed
up with this violence crap and now people in religious leadership are starting
to voice there concerns on a level that is directed towards religious
leadership.
Everyone is just sick of this witness of Religion and violence. That not
intelligence nor spiritual its rubbish.
Jus remember the Key, the lock and the door that will open and shut. Will you be
let in accordance to your attitude. This goes for all man as each man will
judged in accordance to his motivation and actions. If it is against his brother
in violence regardless who, he will not get in.
God doesn't have real great expectation of man but expects allot from his
spiritual servants. You know what that means no violence of any sort in spirit
or in action particularly using the name of God.
just some views
regards
sevens
Hi HT
Thanks again for you post again I was inspired by your work and the work of your
Grandfather I really respect all the work. I just its fantastic how on this
forum all the UB brothers in sprit come together to release their own findings
into the date which is very healthy as that in itself leading us to Eden that we
can share in spiritual experience due to our personal discovery in light of the
physical evidence.
Its such a supernal and sublime journey for us all, everyone all mankind no
matter who. Its so good.
There is so much truth that comes the areas of your study. Just recently I
ventured into the Mari seal or stone where I recognized features on the stone
that led me on a journey that ended in Peru, believe or not and then reflected
itself back to the location through legend left behind which perpetuated in the
peoples in Sth America.
What a journey that was, bit here bit there all combined and what a picture it
delivered.
The studies of the Assyrians is an amazing study and they knew all about the
place and what happened there.
All the best and great blessings for you in your journey to Eden.
Wouldn't it be good that one day wouldn't be good for all to come together around a very big table and present all the findings on every level from every civilisation and compile all the info into coherent 3d model of truth/timeline/evidence/scripture.
Like physical conjunction of the physical.
regards
sevens
Really, the kefir, this person, that person, its really all about
man against man. No glory in that and its eventual destruction. Why glorify all
this ego rubbish. What did that ever do for the planet. Nothing but a waste of
good resources that could be put to good use rather than all this, him against
me stuff and I against him stuff which could be avoided. AS YOU KNOW within
yourself.
Yes we really need to chill out from the words of, him and us and I against him
attitude. That's exactly why the world is in this predicament.
regards
sevens
Hi here is a link from a christian site about 70 7's I thought it
was interesting. I was particulary drawn to this verse in Leviticus
The year of Jubilee is described in Leviticus. Well in the italics is exactly
what happened in my experience. But still waiting, waiting and waiting. Oh well
thats the way it goes! [list]
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