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Hi

Hi Ive been looking into the the differences of Paul's Gospel to that of Abner. Trying to understand the difference and then identifying the root cause. Abner was in direct contact with Jesus and leader of the 70 so his teachings would be equally as valid as the ideas of the occident.

Abner's idea was the primarily The Gospel of Kingdom of Heaven and the Brotherhood of mankind.

Similar to what we see in Islam essentially and the very early teachings of the Eastern Christian Branch of Christianity.

Abner was in charge of the Eastern Branch which was headed in Philadelphia. In revelations there is message to that particular church. I'm assuming that this blessings is for the end times and being a message for the Church of Philadelphia, the message extends to the religious branches that subscribe to this promise which I believe extends to Islam or the religions of the Abnernarian Gospel of Jesus' message.

 

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Revelation 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.



I'm not sure how one would take the latter, you have to search that for yourself. But I do believe that its a message for the middle eastern and eastern Med branch of the real gospel of Fatherhood and brotherhood of the kingdom and who have overcome destruction and division, the works of Satan. There is a crown reserved and no one is gong to take it away. It gives us further clues that is connected to the key of David, The key of David which my research indicates is connected to Eden and its glaring message. Regardless of the name there is a key involved in a mystery, and when that mystery is realised and shared beforehand, the door will be opened for a time, an opportunity given and then the door will close and no man will be able to open it, meaning when man realises his demise of rejection and the door or opportunity is closed. God wont hear his prayers!. I believe that key is Eden, the discovery of it and it will ensue. Its all to do with a key, a lock and a door. He who hears the message and adheres to it, the message of goodwill he will overcome.

That's what I see as the promise to the Abners church and its branches.

Note the, "I make a Pillar in the temple" would that be a reference to the Kabba stone, "I make a pillar in the temple". Is that a hint.?? Is there a duality, in connection to Eden of Cyprus, a pillar in the temple the acropolis Hill could that be the key to the lock, The ruins and what is found on the Acropolis Hill. A duality connection.

There could be many clues here, and those who overcome are the ones who overcome the voice of division and warfare. The road is peace and goodwill and there is a very big promise here for Islam and those who follow and adhere to the truth which is in the Quran and the Early Jesus gospel of the Eastern Branch, the Kingdom of Heaven Paradise Gospel. Same message.

I think that is very interesting.

 

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12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.



I find allot in this, Like a ritual that will be replaced by a new city and new temple that no one has to leave. The city is lowered and the knowledge that new city extends will be a new book that will have a new name. If this is the case, it would fulfill the Quran prophecy that it will be replaced by a new book from heaven overnight. But in a positive light? Not in a light of disaster.

I would also like to point out the following

 

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I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet,



Its like today, who is today, pointing fingers at the Jews with accusations and threats. These same threats is what Gods sees as lies, written in the books directly, I'm not making this up its in black and white. . You can work that one for yourself. But then It does suggest that they who are pointing the finger and are motivated with hearts of hate in Gods name will be humbled and they are associated with the church of Satan. These are the divisive and violent people who destroy willingly, innocent people in the name of Gods name, all sides.

food for thought.

regards
sevens

Edited by sevens on 09/10/06 02:31 AM.

Sorry I'm confused. I did pick up his argument and demonstrated that it could of been an anomaly by using 2 different types of Software where I found inconsistency in Nikas pictures to the area.

What I mean by scripts is all the information of all the cultures in the past, particularly the BC books and religious books of all cultures. Each culture has a piece of the puzzle. They all have the same story about the place but suited to ones culture at the time.

Anyway you know my website, check it our more fully there could be some clues there and see if it may relates to Malta instead.

Anyway I gave you a couple of leads regarding Malta and its history. Also I did say that he should get some proper surveys of the place of available. Im not against the idea, we have established old coastline pictures that look compelling. What to say another civilisation lived near Malta at that time of Eden 34,000 years before the deluge which could of been an outpost of Atlantis of Cyprus?? Nothing wrong with that idea but more information and research has to be gathered.

Anyway what wrong with the Urantia Book, its a good book, pity people don't take the time to research it and read it fully with out all the opinions and no research. Maybe if they did read it, it may lead then to a great discovery that would have more significance than just tourism.

Who knows it could change the world. You just never know about life and the course it takes in this area.

regards
sevens

[ 09-10-2006, 03:48 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

How do you explain the theory in detail using science and data. Convincing argument on what?? Where is the science? Where is the scripts and not just Plato as this place goes beyond the writings of Plato.

You cant rely on Google alone, Google says its there and worldwind says its not. Although I did say that I wouldn't be surprised that there are ruins under the water near Malta but not in the position that Nikas says I don't know as one program says one thing and another program says something different.

So there you go confusion already. Although he did highlight the Sicilian land bridge submergence which is completely evident by observing what I think is the old coastline and what appears to be water gouging in the vast waterways of the land bridge. Also there is hard evidence of survey done of the coast of Southern France in an submerged river canyon. Basically what they proved that the med was way lower than today because of the Gilbraltor dam.

But what Nikas has found is either a old canyon of an old river system or nothing. Some search would have done to see if anything lays there and a proper study would have to be done using the latest bathy data of the area, if it exists.

Also I did place some information that was a hint to the ancient ruins in Malta, a civilisation that goes back over 7000 years ago that settled near present day Carthage. This is before the Phoenicians and are related to the Egyptians in my view. Also Italian archaeologists found evidence of ancient ruins in Tunisia but that's all I know. This could be a reflection of that ancient civilisation.

Here is the link of ancient river canyons of Sth France.
Ancient River canyons of France

At the end of the day a survey has to done of the area that Nikas is interested in to see if manmade ruins lay there.


regards
sevens

[ 09-10-2006, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

How do you explain the theory in detail using science and data. Convincing argument on what?? Where is the science? Where is the scripts and not just Plato as this place goes beyond the writings of Plato.

You cant rely on Google alone, Google says its there and world wind says its not. Although I did say that I wouldn't be surprised that there are ruins under the water near Malta but not in the position that Nikas says I don't know as one program says one thing and another program says something different.

So there you go confusion already. Although he did highlight the Sicilian land bridge submergence which is completely evident by observing what I think is the old coastline and what appears to be water gouging in the vast waterways of the land bridge. Also there is hard evidence of survey done of the coast of Southern France in an submerged river canyon. Basically what they proved that the med was way lower than today because of the Gilbraltor dam.

But what Nikas has found is either a old canyon of an old river system or nothing. Some search would have done to see if anything lays there and a proper study would have to be done using the latest bathy data of the area, if it exists.

Also I did place some information that was a hint to the ancient ruins in Malta, a civilisation that goes back over 7000 years ago that settled near present day Carthage. This is before the Phoenicians and are related to the Egyptians in my view. Also Italian archaeologists found evidence of ancient ruins in Tunisia but that's all I know. This could be a reflection of that ancient civilisation.

Here is the link of ancient river canyons of Sth France.
Ancient River canyons of France

At the end of the day a survey has to done of the area that Nikas is interested in to see if manmade ruins lay there.


regards
sevens

[ 09-10-2006, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

I really liked Massoud, I saw a documentary on him before he got killed and I really liked him. I thought he a good man, its a pty that he was murdered.

I get the feeling that Osama is loosing his power base and influence, I think the peace loving Muslims are just sick of the guy bringing everyone down to this low level of existence not to mention religion at large. Religion has never been at its lowest ebb.

One day I hope it improves. Many people just don't have faith anymore and are losing confidence in everything even the future.

regards
sevens

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I really liked Massoud, I saw a documentary on him before he got killed. What a shame. I thought he a good man, its a pity that he was murdered.

I get the feeling that Osama is loosing his power base and influence, I think the peace loving Muslims are just sick of the guy bringing everyone down to this low level of existence not to mention religion at large. Religion has never been at its lowest ebb. I personally feel that when people start to see things in proper prospective in light of everything they will look at Osama and think again. Actually those people will abandon him, slowly but surely as the truth reveals itself more and more. They will abandon him and go home to help there families, the the great priority, I can feel it. I can also feel the tide of change happening in his reality. Very much as a better alternative will arise which brings us to the future.

One day I hope it improves. Many people just don't have faith anymore and are losing confidence in everything even the future.

Well one thing for sure the scribes who counted the towers that fell and who are hiding are identified in the Bible will be accountable for there actions. undoubtedly!

Its all there in black and white and actually they link those evil terrorist actions with the Synagogue of Satan as mentioned in revelation 3, Its in the blessings of the Church of Philadelphia, the clue lays there.

regards
sevens

no worries brig, III take it easy.

Anyway here is some info in point form things that make Cyprus Atlantis and Eden from the clues left behind by Plato, in my view. Cyprus is a fulfilment of these clues and was mentioned in all the books of religion in all cultures in around the Med.

http://www.discoveryofatlantis.com/press_blueprint.htm

regards
sevens
Hi my name is Sevens.

I think we are in the midst of prophecy fulfilling itself right now.

Over the last years I have conducted a simple search for Eden in all the religious book of all one God religions regardless of doctrine.

I think there is a planetary judgement that real close and it all has to do with the Garden of Eden discovered of Cyprus. As mentioned in the Rev 3 in the blessings of Philadelphia being expressed as the Key of David, When that key is realized through the realisation of it then the the process begins.

I feel that judgement timing process follows the 10 week process explained in the Book of Enoch that no one reads. Also all the time markers and the sevens pattern all conjunct on the day of 911. However III put 3 days on top of that as 3 days is important. The best advise is chill, relax and do good unto others and connect with God in your own way that you know connects. This has nothing to do with doctrine or dogma nor religions (however true (personal) religion helps very much) as man has to speak for himself and his motivations. Got nothing to do with religious exclusivity or being apart of the club. It has nothing to do with that. Its just straight forward judgement affects all man, regardless.

I really think it has to with the discovery of what lays on toop of the Acropolis Hill, there will be some undeniable evidencr there. I feel its the key of David and soon the door will be open and then shut tight, just as quick as it opened, no man will be able to open it after its closed through pray, no man. When is done, its done. those left behind will have their problems. As much will be withdrawn during the earth changes that is scheduled for this planet. So keep you eye on Eden and see what develops there. I reckon its the big sign. No Bull!

Any If I'm wrong, no worries sorry, however I feel I should share this in case its right.

Anyway here is my site where I compiled all my research

[url]http://www.sevenfoldtruth.com[/url]


all the best
sevens
see what happens eh!

Its a real problem when religion is mixed with state, look at the problems that come out of it. Maybe religion should just stick to spirituality in the promotion of good works and raising top of the line leaders rather than those who would rather stupid religious war, and self vain gloriousness with violence.

Anyway the religious leaders who intend on destroying the world for his own ends is just stupid and blinded.

regards
sevens

5. LESSONS FROM THE CROSS

The cross of Jesus portrays the full measure of the supreme devotion of the true shepherd for even the unworthy members of his flock. It forever places

It might be a little long but its very interesting.

 
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    all relations between God and man upon the family basis. God is the Father; man is his son. Love, the love of a father for his son, becomes the central truth in the universe relations of Creator and creature--

    not the justice of a king which seeks satisfaction in the sufferings and punishment of the evil-doing subject.

    The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival. Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative. Jesus' death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice--mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all weakness resulting therefrom.

    Jesus brought a new method of living to Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness. The Master's love implies rehabilitation, eternal survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.

    Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation. The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart, forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.

    The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion. In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the cross of a real and intense mortal existence. The real value of the cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy.

    On millions of inhabited worlds, tens of trillions of evolving creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God's laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of man.

    The triumph of the death on the cross is all summed up in the spirit of Jesus' attitude toward those who assailed him. He made the cross an eternal symbol of the triumph of love over hate and the victory of truth over evil when he prayed, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." That devotion of love was contagious throughout a vast universe; the disciples caught it from their Master. The very first teacher of his gospel who was called upon to lay down his life in this service, said, as they stoned him to death, "Lay not this sin to their charge."

    The cross makes a supreme appeal to the best in man because it discloses one who was willing to lay down his life in the service of his fellow men. Greater

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    love no man can have than this: that he would be willing to lay down his life for his friends--and Jesus had such a love that he was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, a love greater than any which had hitherto been known on earth.

    On other worlds, as well as on Urantia, this sublime spectacle of the death of the human Jesus on the cross of Golgotha has stirred the emotions of mortals, while it has aroused the highest devotion of the angels.

    The cross is that high symbol of sacred service, the devotion of one's life to the welfare and salvation of one's fellows. The cross is not the symbol of the sacrifice of the innocent Son of God in the place of guilty sinners and in order to appease the wrath of an offended God, but it does stand forever, on earth and throughout a vast universe, as a sacred symbol of the good bestowing themselves upon the evil and thereby saving them by this very devotion of love. The cross does stand as the token of the highest form of unselfish service, the supreme devotion of the full bestowal of a righteous life in the service of wholehearted ministry, even in death, the death of the cross. And the very sight of this great symbol of the bestowal life of Jesus truly inspires all of us to want to go and do likewise.

    When thinking men and women look upon Jesus as he offers up his life on the cross, they will hardly again permit themselves to complain at even the severest hardships of life, much less at petty harassments and their many purely fictitious grievances.

    His life was so glorious and his death so triumphant that we are all enticed to a willingness to share both. There is true drawing power in the whole bestowal of Michael, from the days of his youth to this overwhelming spectacle of his death on the cross.

    Make sure, then, that when you view the cross as a revelation of God, you do not look with the eyes of the primitive man nor with the viewpoint of the later barbarian, both of whom regarded God as a relentless Sovereign of stern justice and rigid law-enforcement. Rather, make sure that you see in the cross the final manifestation of the love and devotion of Jesus to his life mission of bestowal upon the mortal races of his vast universe. See in the death of the Son of Man the climax of the unfolding of the Father's divine love for his sons of the mortal spheres. The cross thus portrays the devotion of willing affection and the bestowal of voluntary salvation upon those who are willing to receive such gifts and devotion. There was nothing in the cross which the Father required--only that which Jesus so willingly gave, and which he refused to avoid.

    If man cannot otherwise appreciate Jesus and understand the meaning of his bestowal on earth, he can at least comprehend the fellowship of his mortal sufferings. No man can ever fear that the Creator does not know the nature or extent of his temporal afflictions.

    We know that the death on the cross was not to effect man's reconciliation to God but to stimulate man's realization of the Father's eternal love and his Son's unending mercy, and to broadcast these universal truths to a whole universe.
atif Ahmed

Thank you Atif Ahmed for your great blessings of Allah may he bless you and the research you did on Ibn Abbas. Why I was so intrigued by the surname is that surname is in my linage. I was always intuited by the surname and its unusually rare, I think. I thought it was Armenian but I'm starting to think its Arabian. I'm amazed that the family came from Quraish and again you have Ur connection as in the Quran and Urantia, like a triple parallel connection in sound. I suppose what this search becomes is of perhaps one origins. I don't know! I was always curious about that element in name.

But anyway about the Kabba stone I respect your rituals about it, I understand the personal symbolism in action and dedication. No problem, since I have journeyed the Quran and the all the other books I have learnt to appreciate all religions more having delved into there books. It has been a big blessing and revelation for me. I appreciate all the solid connections in all the religions.

I'm not sure whether I can share this but it comes out of revelations 3 and it about the blessing of the Church of Philadelphia that is directly connected to the 70 disciples who had there headquarters in Philadelphia. The Leader of the Church was called Abner or St Addai or Akbar. Personal I feel Ab or Abba or Abbas in connected with Abner, somehow.

In essence there was a disagreement in ideas of God between Abner and Paul which manifested over time through each religion and is exactly what we see today. Understandable. However I believe this time now was foreseen in prophecy by John on Patmos. I feel strongly, that much of Quran that I have read has many commonalities with Abner's ideas being a purest form and was completely accepted by Jesus as Abner was in direct communication with Abner. Leader of the 70. I believe the Quran as compiled by Mohammed absorbed very much the thoughts of Abner. So I feel this blessing is for the religions that contain the elements of the Abnarian ideas. Which the Fatherhood of God and brotherhood of mankind which I believe is the essential belief of the Quran. In essence. Also the Abnerian ideas was contained in the Eastern of Christianity, however very much of the church was absorbed into the Catholic ideas. But very much of the earlier thought were directly connected to Abner's ideas.

Here is an extract Revelation 3
 

Revelation 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
 

(The Church of philadelphia, The Abneraian concepts of God, all religions that are dedicated to this idea. Regardless of name The key of David in my mind is the discovery of Eden and the message and unifying force it has on the scriptures of all religions. Its a key which is knowledge and understanding that unlocks the lock which is the discovery, the physical aspect of it.. The key and lock is connected to a door or an opportunity that is prophesied like rapture or something.

When the mystery is realised, it is then activated, the mystery of mankind. When its activated the mystery will not stop, no man can stop it and when the door closes, no man will be able to open the door, the door is open but can shut at anytime. God understands that Church of Philadelphia is weakened to a degree But however in light of the trials, believers have kept true in there pursuit for God and have not denied his name. In essence that would go for both Christian and Islam. No one denies God and do love him in there way.)

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 

(Im not sure how you take that but I see this simply as division created through finger pointing over racial and religious ways. All parties are guilty of this, no matter who, We all know that. I believe that all violent encouragement on those grounds is a kin to the works of Satan dividing people over religious grounds and must consider the truth in that.)

10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
 

(However for those who keep to the right path of patience and good works as best they can will be blessed and crown is awaiting for you. No doubt about it . Temptation is that of division, no matter the spiritual enticements. Paradise forbids violence in the heavens and would prefer that attitude on Earth and particularly of the Spiritual brotherhood of man.)

12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

(Wow! a new temple. To me a new pillar in the temple relates directly to the Kabba stone and directly to Islam as foreseen. That a new temple will come down from heaven that one could stay in it for all times, in the future. Essentially all religious books will be refined by this event, good for all religions. Also this new and expanded truth of God will be written in the minds of all who will study it, being directly from God. Also in the Quran it does speak of things suddenly ending. I think that is true but it will be positive and all who have faith will be very happy as we enter into the new world.)

I think this blessing is directed towards the followers of the Quran and the early Christian Church of Abner in Philadelphia, who was the leader of the 70.

I don't think there is anything to fear for those who have faith. When the event happens like judgment day, one day, those with faith and know truth, beauty and goodness and respect the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of mankind will stand tall in all religions of faith.

regards
sevens
Mike 1234

 
  • I do believe that he is in our island for the oil. I don’t know how true that is but if it’s true we going to kick his butt



I must say you are nuts and really scummy thinking like this in this typical spirit of suspicion and just utter rubbish. Another personal cheap shot!

If that's what you think no wonder there is war all about.

Oil!! How absurd that sounds. Grow up man. Get with it! Who wants that black crap oil anyway, look at how its destroying the planet. Who wants that crap. We don't want it, it only the profiteers that desire it, that's all. Why don't we use water instead for fuel. The whole planet would rather water as fuel source that oil crap! You can have it for buck as Im concerned.

sevens

[ 09-11-2006, 07:32 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

 
Hi

I would like say that I really was impressed with the following excerpt that was posted in the above. To me, I interpret this as the lord commanding all of us, for all tribes of the planet to come to get to know each other better in understanding.

Meaning that we have to learn to understand each other more fully which includes religion. Like researching each others information in the hope of learning and living with next to each other with greater goodwill. I thought the following was profound and demonstrates that great truth does exist in all the books including new ones from God.

[B][INDENT][INDENT]"O men! Behold, We have created you all out of a male and a female, and have made you into nations and tribes, [COLOR="DarkRed"]so that you might come to know one another." [/COLOR](The Dwellings 49:13)[/INDENT][/INDENT][/B]

Whilst everyone is posting excerpts from what they hold dear to them I thought I would post this. This comes from the Urantia Book, its directly from Jesus and its part of the expanded message for mankind that comes from the Garden of Eden, the first Garden. Its picks no sides in this argument but does I feel, endorse the latter scripture of The Dwellings. I must read that Book, The Dwellings. Its sounds intriguing!

Anyway here are the excerpts and is good for all of us.

[INDENT][INDENT]The future of Urantia will doubtless be characterized by the appearance of teachers of religious truth--[B]the Fatherhood of God and the fraternity of all creatures. But it is to be hoped that the ardent and sincere efforts of these future prophets will be directed less toward the strengthening of interreligious barriers and more toward the augmentation of the religious brotherhood of spiritual worship among the many followers of the differing intellectual theologies which so characterize Urantia of Satania.[/B] [/INDENT][/INDENT]

In the following has nothing to do with who is right or wrong. Its all to do with religions of the world, No one here is pointing any fingers except at ourselves through self reflection and personal study. I think all religions of the world have to review themselves particularly in light of Eden which I believe is Key of the of the Lock that opens the Door through the enlightenment of God for the future. Like the Pillar in the Temple ( I wonder if there is a stone pillar within the compound of the old temple on top of the Acropolis Hill?) These words I believe are representative of the Paradise as it is and is part of the message from physical Eden or Paradise, the great discovery. Maybe we may witness the power of God through discovery of our origins. A revelatory revelation, sounds like a far better path than spiritual violence.

Its good for everyone and offers much hope.


[INDENT][INDENT]line 158: The many religions of Urantia are all good to the extent that they bring man to God and bring the realization of the Father to man. [B]It is a fallacy for any group of religionists to conceive of their creed as The Truth; such attitudes bespeak more of theological arrogance than of certainty of faith.[/B] [B][COLOR="darkred"]There is not a Urantia religion that could not profitably study and assimilate the best of the truths contained in every other faith, for all contain truth. Religionists would do better to borrow the best in their neighbors' living spiritual faith rather than to denounce the worst in their lingering superstitions and outworn rituals.[/COLOR][/B] [/INDENT][/INDENT]

Anyway I believe there is good and a kind solid message with good correction and is endorsed by the books as we have seen in the Dwellings scripture.

All the best everyone

Ahoy
sevens

the Sicilian landbridge
 

Yes Cat youre a real champ. A real mocker, what the point your making. Put something down.


By the way does any body know the sea level depth of the Sicilian Landbridge currently using data. Also is there a chart with approximate sea levels of the past 40,000 years in increments? until today. I can find anything on the web.

Not much info I can find.

Ok I found this graph from Wikipedia. Looks like this link says that 9000 years ago it was 20m more shallow thats only around 60ft, however around 20,000 years ago it was about 140m more shallow thats around 420ft. So if the current depth of the submerged sicilian landbidge is below 420 then the theory doesnt stack up I suppose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise


Around 34,000 the dam broke and just flooded the place.

I was thinking if the ruins of Malta that lays in 60 ft below sea level then that would point to the civilisation of Cathage the Andites.

What are the depths of the ruins of Malta?

regards
sevens

[ 09-12-2006, 04:11 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Mike

Give it a break will you.

I replied with some links that should be explored I was also interested in the depth of the ruins of Malta.

Regarding all the other stuff in your post, Whatever you think, the forum is only database of replies, big deal. I did mention that near the link.

Anyway your pretty personal guy speaking silly thing personalizing everything don't worry about it man. I must admit I probably didn't help but anyway, I don't think Sarmast is interested in oil except for the ruins and lays there.

I was thinking would you have any idea on the depth of the submerged land bridge, any idea i cant find anything?

regards
sevens

Hi I found this information on the Sicilian Straits thats why they call it apparently. Im not sure if it relates to depth

 
  • CENOZOIC ERA;EUROPE;GEOLOGIC AGES;ITALY;MESOZOIC ERA;ROCKS;SURVEYS;WESTERN EUROPE
    Description/

    The physical divisions of the Mediterranean given above hold good in describing the form of the sea-bed. The western Mediterranean is cut off by a bank crossing the narrow strait between Sicily and Cape Bon, usually known as the Adventure Bank, on which the depth is nowhere 200 fathoms. The mean depth of the western basin is estimated at 881 fathoms, and the deepest sounding recorded is 2040 fathoms. In the eastern Mediterranean the mean depth is nearly the same as in the western basin. The Sicilian-Ionian basin has a mean depth of 885 fathoms, and the Levant basin, 793 fathoms. Deep water is found close up to the coast of Sicily, Greece, Crete and the edge of the African plateau.

    The steepest slope observed occurs off the island of Sapienza, near Navarino, where 1720 fathoms has been obtained only *_o miles from land. In 1897 the ship " Washington " obtained depths of 2220 fathoms in the middle of the eastern Mediterranean; and the Austrian expeditions in the " Pola " discovered in the " Pola Deep " (35° 44' N., 21° 45' E.), south-west of Cape



Here is the best I could find so far

http://encyclopedia.jrank.org/correction/edit?locale=en&content_id=44239

Fathom to feet converter

http://www.boatsafe.com/tools/meter.htm

Im not convinced it tells me the depth of the Sicilian Straits

Here is an excerpt from astudy that was done upto 800 meteres assuming its quite deep in some areas around siciliy

 

  • Biological information on the demersal resources of the Strait of Sicily collected during the
    trawl surveys carried out routinely in the Strait since 1985 is presented. Data concern bottoms
    of 10 m down to 800 m depth.


It sounds like the depth around the landbridge is quite deep deeper than 120M.

regards
sevens

[ 09-12-2006, 04:41 AM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi No worries I went to the link the links they were good.

But still according to the wikipedia link 22,000 years ago the sea levels were generally 130 Meters lower. Sure at that time Malta would of been larger definitely. However, it would been surrounded by water and cut of from the mainland with around 70 meters difference, if we are assuming the straits are 200M. That's seems to deep to create mud, that's around 420ft or 128m That's still pretty deep generally.

However if you did an expedition and discovered underwater ruins and calculating there depth would give you the time period of civilisation.

If the ruins are 50 - 60 ft or so that would equate to around 5000BC or so that would be around the time of the Andites near Carthage. The deeper you go and discover, the older the civilisation would be perhaps.

What I think happened is around 34,000 BC the dam broke and submerged the Sicilian land bridge. Malta, stood firm but allot larger then. Everything washed away, Atlantis downstream was submerged as well. And being at a lower elevation would of copped a hiding with all that gravity.

Anyway there going to be down there soon, they should have all the right equipment to let us know what's there.

Ah! see what happens!

By the way I took the forum database down waste of space.

regards
Sevens

[ 09-12-2006, 05:03 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Hi Malik,

I really enjoyed this beautiful description to me it has symbolism also, in addition to Paradise. The Hidden Pearl, the Jewl in the Crown.


The Hidden Pearls (extract)


Pearls beautiful manifestations of Allah’s design and creation are born and found in the depths of the ocean within the protection of an oyster shell. Many divers risk their lives to attain these jewels, their shine unmarred, hidden away from human touch & sight. They are lessons in nature for heedful eyes. Have we ever wondered why pearls, the purest and whitest of natural jewels are not found floating on the surface of the ocean for all to see? Have we pondered why all beautiful things are hidden, the pomegranate seeds in their peel white coconut in a coarse shell, diamonds in a mine? And the most beautiful Being beyond our imaginations Allah Ta’ala . Among his best creation, the human being, Allah chose this honour for a woman in order to preserve, protect and purify her beauty and to make it eternal in paradise.

So true in many ways, very nice words and has many meanings of truth.

regards
sevens

 

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Hi Sameera.

I really enjoyed you post of your scriptures. I thought that contained so much wisdom and is extremely true.

I really liked that ones you selected.

I think it only demonstrates the great Beauty contained within the The Quran. See how religion can attract people through its sublime and supernal truth contained, I find that's a far better path and the way to go.

Anyway, I again enjoyed those beautiful scripture. Do have anymore?

Impress mankind and other spiritual brothers of other paths to God of/in Paradise.

regards
sevens

Hi PL

I really enjoyed your post, I thought it was interesting. I'm visualising what your saying. What has been raised about the Sicilian land bridge and Malta is of quite good import. I think the study of the land bridge and Malta gives us a good understanding of Atlantis in Cyprus.

I noticed when looking at the Maps that Malta is surrounded by deep water that which if it was 140 meters lower Malta would still be small island, just a little larger surrounded by deep sea water and was probably a commercial centre of the ancients times just like Atlantis Cyprus, maybe they are related as you say. Must be explored. They were probably regarded as twins. There is said to be ruins 80 meters deep close to the island. That says something but again I wish somebody took pictures as per usual if they saw them.

However before the flood the basin waters where much lower and what seems to me is that the Sicilian Land bridge was perhaps larger than what we think. Off course one needs proper data but perhaps to research the case of Malta in connection to Atlantis is thought provoking.

Perhaps before the Gibraltar break Malta was an island on the land bridge, looking at the gouging effect. Malta could of been within a lake or a salt lake who knows. But the coast line would of been much further away by perhaps hundreds of miles by what we see in the images. Maybe there was access through a river.

Another thing, Atlantis being at a lower elevation would of experienced much down force of the differences in the elevation of both places. It would of been a huge Tsunami that impacted on Atlantis/Eden.

Anyway food for thought, I thought the images where quite outstanding and quite compelling.

 

It really needs a survey for the ruins if they exist, the idea would be dependent on what is found and proven

All the best.

regards
sevens
 

Hey I don't know if this common ground. I just saw documentary on the Electric car they built in the 80s by General motors which they canned of course.

But apparently there are some of those models around that run on about 2 dollars of electricity per month. Apparently the ecar enthusiasts in California have developed a electric engines that outstrip normally aspirated cars even at the drag races and now can last for about 500km.

That's what we should have these type of cars but because there were to good they suppressed the technology to maintain control, make money and destroy the earth in the meantime.

They are responsible of the devastation we have on this planet. Squarely, just an clear act of the selfishness we have to live with and suffer with, they should be all sacked for there environmental crimes done blatantly and no one can do anything about, we are at there mercy and mankind is so weakened by these people. No one can do anything about it.

By they way General Motors proclaimed they have just developed a hydrogen car converting water to energy on demand. What a ploy they say it will take 10 years to get on the road. What a whole of crap when there is a guy who lives down the road from me who developed this technology over 20 years ago. Just down the road and had been driving for free for years. And you General Motors declaring this rubbish now and all this 10 year in the future propaganda. Crap and lies.

They all say the same thing, like in Russia they have been killing bacteria that we can even approach in the Western world. But In Russia they kill untreatable bacteria with Phage, its a specific virus that kills specific bacteria and look at the western world being led along the garden path with antibiotics particularly in light of a simple treatment already available for over 30 years or more.

The Russians get there phage from there local polluted river. That's it how simple and inexpensive it is using nature. What a testament that is, especially when we have all this propaganda in the west and reject easy treatments because there is no money in it. The ugliness of this planet guided by un spiritual people.

This planet is full of lies and deceit.

The whole world is full of hypocrisy and a boardrooms full of arseholes, virtually the whole lot them, they all speak the same rubbish and crap. The robots for relentless profit and dragging out technology regardless of the destruction currently caused by the love of profit.

Even if it was good for mankind! They'll destroy it.

I would suggest forming a co-operative of like minded people, convert cars into Electric cars and use for short trips. As the technology becomes better why not upgrade.

Why not be a cooperative of the people and the Ecar, a non profit scenario. Where it becomes of the people, for the people like the US was supposed to be. Not for the money hungry guy who just wants to control your life and give no care to the planet.

Be a cooperative for the future. Who wants that black crap it just gives us cancer. Its only the money people that want it, not the planet.


I think that all the car companies and Oil companies should pay a penalty of the cause of destruction they wrought on this planet and for there crimes in murdering creative people in technology of the past and present. They present all this hype with Hydrogen technology using technology that was either bought out and they simply leaned on the person.

They knew all this technology all along for years and look at them know trying to claim the savour attitude especially in light of the blood that has been spilt over this technology.

I give all respect to those creative people that worked on there own trying to pursue technology that would be good for the planet.

But for those who destroyed them and there quest through fear, they get no blessings, nor praise nothing because they don't deserve anything for there actions.

regards
sevens
 

Nour of Islam,

Thank you, in the next 2 weeks when I have a little more time I would like to read the Book of Dwellings. I'm not sure whether the Book of Dwellings is in English, I'm not sure.

I myself are exploring the texts of Islam so its a journey for me to. But I must say it does parallel with much of my research into religion and Eden or Paradise (Submerged of Cyprus). Also thanks for being tolerant of me in light of my views and since I come from a different persuasion but not uncommon nor distant to what I read in the Quran. That's for sure.

The link you request was about the Book of Dwelling or was it about The Urantia Book? Now I'm not sure!

I am really inspired since coming here and particularly that you have been patient with me. Your patience is my rewards in discovering truth in the Quran. Good on ya! This is far better sharing knowledge and friendship than going to war. This is smart and intelligence way that God loves the peaceful way pursuant of truth.

This is what makes man strong in brotherhood of love for another. I just hope we can all bring a little sense in this world we no one has to loose their life. Its is possible, God has faith in the brotherhood of man being an extension of himself to bring this about in truth.

All the best
regards
sevens

I was a pissed off when I wrote this after seeing the documentary of the Ecar!

Hey I don't know if this common ground. I just saw a documentary on the Electric car they built in the 80s by General motors which they canned of course.

But apparently there are some of those models around that run on about 2 dollars of electricity per month. Apparently the ecar enthusiasts in California have developed a electric engines that outstrip normally aspirated cars even at the drag races and now can last for about 500km.

That's what we should have these type of cars but because there were to good they suppressed the technology to maintain control, make money and destroy the earth in the meantime.

They are responsible of the devastation we have on this planet. Squarely, just an clear act of the selfishness we have to live with and suffer with, they should be all sacked for there environmental crimes, done blatantly and no one can do anything about it, we are at there mercy and mankind is so weakened by these people. No one can do anything about it because the own through debt, everything. Its a 3 way split of power between Government, the Bank(money created out of nothing) Paramceuticals, and energy companies oh and the stockmarket. Like a club and above all. Look at the effects war, pollution, homelessness, destruction of the environment. unrest, porr government, no leadership, its a bad refelction of the spirit.

By they way General Motors proclaimed they have just developed a hydrogen car converting water to energy on demand. What a ploy they say it will take 10 years to get on the road. What a whole of crap when there is a guy who lives down the road from me who developed this technology over 20 years ago. Just down the road and had been driving for free for years. And you General Motors declaring this rubbish now and all this 10 year in the future propaganda. Crap and lies.

They all say the same thing, like in Russia they have been killing bacteria that we can even approach in the Western world. But In Russia they kill untreatable bacteria with Phage, its a specific virus that kills specific bacteria and look at the western world being led along the garden path with antibiotics particularly in light of a simple treatment already available for over 30 years or more.

The Russians get there phage from there local polluted river. That's it how simple and inexpensive it is using nature. What a testament that is, especially when we have all this propaganda in the west and reject easy treatments because there is no money in it. The ugliness of this planet guided by un spiritual people.

This planet is full of lies and deceit.

The whole world is full of hypocrisy and a boardrooms full of arseholes, virtually the whole lot of them, they all speak the same rubbish and crap. The robots for relentless profit and dragging out technology regardless of the destruction currently caused by the love of profit.

Even if it was good for mankind! They'll destroy it, if there is no money in it or if its a threat to the bottomline. That's it, cold-hearted, ruthless products out of our schools.

I would suggest forming a co-operative of like minded people, convert cars into Electric cars and use for short trips. As the technology becomes better why not upgrade.

Why not be a cooperative of the people and the Ecar, a non profit scenario. Where it becomes of the people, for the people like the US was supposed to be. Not for the money hungry guy who just wants to control your life and give no care to the planet.

Be a cooperative for the future. Who wants that black crap it just gives us cancer. Its only the money people that want it, not the planet.


I think that all the car companies and Oil companies should pay a penalty of the cause of destruction they wrought on this planet and for there crimes in murdering creative people in technology of the past and present. They present all this hype with Hydrogen technology using technology that was either bought out and they simply leaned on the person.

They knew all this technology all along for years and look at them know trying to claim the savour attitude especially in light of the blood that has been spilt over this technology.

I give all respect to those creative people that worked on there own trying to pursue technology that would be good for the planet.

But for those who destroyed them and there quest through fear, they get no blessings, nor praise nothing because they don't deserve anything for there actions.

regards
sevens

Hi Brig.

I was a little pissed and still am, according to this documentary apparently the people who own these Ecars are very happy, although the charge was an issue but new developments have taken the Electric car to a new level that is far superior than fuel. Even beats the drag cars as I saw in power and speed.

What really gets me is that so many Hydrogen developers and innovators have died or just got murdered for there great inventions, the Fuel vaporiser is another case in point.

And now after all the bloodshed here you have perpetrators claiming Hydrogen as there own. Garbage, all they did was just intimidated the inventors and stole the technology. You know how these people think. There ruthless and haven't got a bone conscience. You wouldn't even invite these people into your house.

As I mentioned about the guy down the road, he can make trip to Sydney and back within 24 hrs on a litre of water. Also the government hassle him all the time and threats have been made by the relevant companies to, whats new.

And look at these automobile and oil companies just flogging the human race and then they have the Gaul to say its 10 years before its available. You and I know that's a big lie, they can do something if they wanted to now, they have leverage, technology and the money and power.

Gee now there talking about Methane another Greenhouse gas, another profit motivated decision. Eventually we will have to go to water. It obvious.

These car companies are all bad and society lets this happen because people are just sucked in by there deception and fear. People don't know any better.

I'm no commo but I think the free enterprise system is completely out of line and I think its unsustainable in its present form.

Plus I'm not sure if competitiveness is all that healthy, considering it breads a society of ruthlessness and heartlessness and that is the root problem of our society. Its the winner and loser society of self vain glory. Also, if it is the land of liberty why are so many people in jail over the smallest petty things. You know when you have been in Jail your life is stuffed in the winner/loser society. There is virtually no opportunity there after. That is so cruel.

Its almost like a breakdown and also explains why drugs are so prevalent because most people aren't happy and under enormous pressure and have no faith in the government who represent the loser/winner society, where law enforcement or the police force is just like a paramilitary operation of social control to the extreme.

I just feel that our society is real trouble in some ways and its very under pinning will falter particularly in spirit. The banks are responsible for this in the main through charm of ego and debt, the ultimate power perception over all. Money, the stuff banks made out of nothing, absolutely nothing and who pays the price for this you do! the planet pays for it and our future generations, the ultimate price.

regards
sevens

[ 09-13-2006, 10:35 PM: Message edited by: sevens ]

Well I have no doubt that Cyprus is Atlantis I don't think its Malta at all. You're really speaking of a later time frame.

Where talking about 38,000 years ago. Even before those ruins of the Maltese coast were even made.. Yes even before that time of perhaps 15,000-22,000 its still post Gibraltar break, post flood,

Plus you have all the books of scripture from all cultures that left there mark concerning this place which points to the place and the knowledge is within all cultures of the past, Even in the Urantia Book, the latest presentation of the Gods. We are talking the land of the Gods aren't we, The Gods of Atlantis and Eden. the same place and then you have this latest presentation leading us to physical proof. Says much more than Plato only and not to mention any mystery that surrounds this place concerning today and any message that he holds for us today.

Looking at just Plato (600BC) only and trying to tie it down through interpretations of a language that was never used 38,000 years ago to me makes no sense. All writings of Plato are recent in comparison to what lays there.

The place is mentioned in the Book of the Dead(1500BC) as the Isle of Maati and not to mention the mention of Eden in all the other BC books. They all speak of Eden or isle of Maati near Egypt, Lebanon, and do speak of the deluge that happened, in there neck of the woods.

Doesn't speak about Malta at all concerning the deluge. I think the time frame you covering is recent.

Thinking Atlantis is Malta doesn't make sense as in those days when the dam was closed, the Med was a basin and was a completely different landscape where the pillars of Heracles never it existed. There where no pillars there. Any pillars would be a local monument which passed down in time through symbolism. Where not talking about 20, 000 years ago but 34,000 years, the time of the great deluge that was remembered and past down in time.

All nations since that time have tried to equate themselves to this time of Atlantis, the land of the Gods hoping they are a part of the Gene pool or something.

Anyway when the land bridge was up there was probably no Malta at all 38,000 years ago was just a mountain and it was not within a big sea. Even the Book of Jubilees speaks of 2 inland seas, Atil and Mauk and speaks of the destruction coming from the West, the submergence of the Sicilian Land bridge and mentions directly Eden and its sign for this time of discovery. Directly and relates to Noahs family and then you have Jesus in the 1st Book of the Adam saying, I will bring you back in the garden where there is light The Kingdom of Heaven. All related to Eden of Cyprus.

When Atlantis was up and dry it fulfils all of Plato's clues and consider the Volcano that rose probably 6000 ft above ground level and could be seen from Atlantis on a clear day. Atlantis as you can see, by all description and in prophecy and in history is in Cyrus which was connected by a isthmus to the mainland which had gates. 12 Gates.

These gates are the original Pillars of Heracles. The Gates of the Gods and they can be seen as described in the Urantia Book and Egyptian sources speak of them. Atlantis found of Cyprus is exactly what Plato described like Plato says, you have remnants of the city down there in to major areas that are obvious..

Sorry Nikas but I think your research is flawed with regard to the time frame. Your looking into after the flood time period. Well after the deluge of Atlantis, the first place.

Anyway the only way to find out is launch an expedition, go out there. to Malta, explore it. The ruins of Malta its 80 meters deep according to some reports. But that's still in the post Flood time era because that whole region was above water and was quite vast allot larger than what people think. Malta was landlocked and was not within an inland sea. It had nothing to do with Atlantis pre flood, no connection.

However way back in 38,000 years ago forward to 34,000, there developed early sea traffic but only within the Sea of Atil, an inland sea and perhaps there was a colony on the Land bridge on the coast but the coastline was further towards the East. Miles away from present Malta.

The Med wasn't even open or accessible, no pillars there. Its when people speak of the pillars of Gilbraltar and relate it to Atlantis in the west from there you know that there theory is in the wrong time frame in a different reality to the original truth.

Its like when you look at the images the first sea Mauk filled and reached it brim the Sicilian Land bridge bursted which is evident by the gouging makes and flowed in to the Sea of Atil (Atlantis) until the point of equilibrium.

You can see the point of burst of the land bridge, looking to the west.



The if you look in the following is river path flowing into the Sea of Atil until the point of equilibrium.





That's what I think

regards
sevens

So it only demonstrates that Atlantis Cyprus is way older than Malta certainly doesn't prove that Malta was the original place, the first place . However if you go beyond 22,000 years the sea water levels begin to rise further back in time so who knows its probably a strip of land that submerged and emerged over the time period of 34000 years. But initially it was dry and wet at different times. Anyway animals would of been landlocked by the deluge and that explains the animals on the islands, they were all connected together at one points which also proves the the Cyprus case.

The link sounds ok to me but still I feel it points to Cyprus and if Malta was populated then it could of a colony. Who knows. Also there is no volcano close to the city, No real highlands that jut into the sky with Mt Olympus on top, What about there legends of the Gods are there any? Like Aphrodite from Cyprus coming out of the sea. What about that one.

Its not a rectangular mountain but a saddle between a few mountain tops. But then are commonalities like those supposed ruins.

But you need the evidence, honestly they say someone they saw them. What does that say. Where is the proof.

It was a good interesting link.


 
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This evidence is in the form of tool artifacts typically associated with the Magdalenian culture, food remains (edible snails) excavated from the Cervus layers at Ghar Dalam, prehistoric cave art typical of a hunter-gatherer culture, and skeletal remains dated to be contemporary to the Cervus remains.



Man still seems very primitive in those times

 

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Excavations of the Pleistocene deposits in Malta have suggested the presence of two phases datable to the Late Middle Pleistocene (c.130,000-180,000 years ago) and the Late Upper Pleistocene (c.23,000-10,000 years ago). During the Late Middle Pleistocene the excavated fauna clearly suggest a wetter climate than that prevalent today. There is also evidence of a small lake in the west of Malta. However the presence of Laurel suggests a Mediterranean climate characterised by a hot dry season. The animals prevalent during this period included the dwarfed endemic hippopotamus and elephant species, besides extinct species of dormice, bats and avian remains. The deposits are generally referred to as Hippopotamus or Leithia cartei layer. No human remains or artefacts have been definitely associated with this stratigraphical layer.
 



Except when you get to this part 18,000 years ago there is evidence of man, makes sense to me but a connection cannot be made beyond 18,000 years.

 

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Ghar Dalam dated to c.18000 years ago (J.R. Anthrop. Inst., 1918, 1923) show the presence of human artefacts in association with elephant remains but with the obvious absence of pottery sherds (pottery sherds are generally associated with a neolithic culture). Trench I excavated in 1917 at the fourth layer in association with Cervus and elephant remains yielded “shells of the Murex trunculus and Cerithium vulgaris. These apparently had been broken for the purpose of extracting the mollusk” and “At the same level with these a fossil shark’s tooth .... was found; it had the point chipped off, apparently from a continuous hammering with it”. Trench II excavated in 1917 at the second layer in association with stag and vole remains, and one of the taurodont molars yielded: two sling-stones much more roughly worked than those met with in the foregoing layer, one flint and three obsidian scrapers; and three pieces of worked chert and flint. The Middle Trench excavated during 1918-20 at the botton of the 2nd layer (about 4 feet from the surface) in association with deer, hippopotamus and vole remains yielded two very roughly made sling-stones, two microlith chert/flint knives, and a (?)flint flake. In the layer below, a lava grinder and a regularly shaped piece of globigerina showing evidence of fire were also excavated. With the skeletal and cultural evidence excavated from Ghar Dalam, one must accept that as Despott concluded “we have now a proof that elephants lived in Malta contemporarily with man”.



I still maintain the Cyprus is the original place and will be vindicated with the next expedition. It seems like the Sicilian land strip was probably exposed allowing entry into Europe before the sea rose. But at the time before the deluge it was completely exposed and was separated by a larger land bride.

Hippos were in Eden it was were hippos came from hehe! The garden of creation!

regards
sevens

Well at the end of the day everyone has got there opinion which is fine. I personally think it stacks up and there is the evidence. And the leader of the expedition was led to the location. Actually wrote a book about predicting the location of the ruins beforehand and they were there.

You guy forget there are 2 major target areas.

I think he makes an excellent case, give me a break you've got all components in word and ruins there. No body here has come to that. It only theory upon theory,.....nothing rally just thoughts but nothing else.

Robert and all the books seem to make a very good case.

I think the Cyprus theory looks good. If feel people want to forget about those multiple ruins down there but its inconvenient.

regards
sevens

To be quite honest I just assumed that Mt Olympus was a volcano, sometime ago I did notice on a geological survey that the area of the location is igneous rock. Maybe the old Volcano wasn't active at that time. Your probably right. 6000 ft that was just my guess . I'm not sure of the height of the mountain and thinking it would of been one mile higher perhaps because of the deluge and rising sea levels.

I think it was an old volcano, wasn't it?. Well anyway, maybe if one had binoculars in that time they could see it. However the highlands and beautiful mountains does exist and can be clearly seen on the bathymetric maps.

although it talks bout the fire mountains in the west right where it river of lava follows into the sea to the west. That is mentioned in connection to Eden in my opinion. Also in the deluge it speaks of volcanic action. I also noticed that in the Book of Noah in his flood rendition of Eden.

Also there is evidence of springs on the acropolis Hill. Maybe they where hot which may indicates some volcanic action or activity close by perhaps.

regards
sevens

 

No problem, are you talking about the Urantia link or the excerpt I left.

Any look God does observe all and notes what's been rejected. That's ok people can reject it but is noted. Remember this is real big and there is message behind it and why people feel uncomfortable because its simply true and has a convicting element. That's why all this is rejected and was foreseen in prophecy.

By the way I was distressed about some of the content that some of the Hadiths contain regarding man and animals.

Is that true, if its is some cultural thing that occurred before Mohammed came.

I hope so.

regards
sevens


 

 
Hi Oasis

Thanks for your research there. I was intrigued and is quite interesting.

I found out a little more about the ruins of the Maltese coast. Looks like what they found is fairly recent and tells of earlier civilisation but in fairly recent times compared to Atlantis. Here is the link

http://www.maltadiscovery.com/v3/eng/research/index.html

Look like the ruins are about 7000 years old

 
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19 meters below sea level which seems to be man made.
The basic diameter of the top of the plateau a sort of platform is about a quarter of a sea mile.



Compared to Atlantis its recent history and does point even more the earlier civilisation of the region long before the Phoenicians.

Here is an Urantia reference that points directly to that early Andite civilisation that was in connected the Early Egyptian civilisation. Before the pharaohs. That also connects with the religious circle connections in Spain. Explains much of writings that point to this time that are relied upon but misread as Atlantis.

 

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By 5000 B.C. the three purest strains of Adam's descendants were in Sumeria, northern Europe, and Greece. The whole of Mesopotamia was being slowly deteriorated by the stream of mixed and darker races which filtered in from Arabia. And the coming of these inferior peoples contributed further to the scattering abroad of the biologic and cultural residue of the Andites. From all over the fertile crescent the more adventurous peoples poured westward to the islands. These migrants cultivated both grain and vegetables, and they brought domesticated animals with them.

About 5000 B.C. a mighty host of progressive Mesopotamians moved out of the Euphrates valley and settled upon the island of Cyprus; this civilization was wiped out about two thousand years subsequently by the barbarian hordes from the north.

line 130: Another great colony settled on the Mediterranean near the later site of Carthage. And from north Africa large numbers of Andites entered Spain and later mingled in Switzerland with their brethren who had earlier come to Italy from the Aegean Islands.



Below could be a connector to lower sea levels at that time. However at 19 meters lower. I don't think its possible that man could of crossed the Sicilian land bridge by foot. He must of sailed across. Food for thought on that one. But there is a record of earlier civilisation in the Urantia.

Actually the timing is spot on, regarding the sea levels. Obviously the stones circles found in Malta are co planar, similar to what may be on the Acropolis Hill. There might be a religious connection there. Also in those days you had Sun and seasonal worship, it was the religion of the day as reflected in the stone temples and there design. Quite a few parallels but at a very recent date compared to the Cyprus Atlantis.

And from north Africa large numbers of Andites entered Spain and later mingled in Switzerland

According to the Wikipedia


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png

At a sea level 20 meters lower that corresponds to 9000-8000 years.
all interesting

regards
sevens

Hi Oasis, How is it going?

I just believe in the literal account of the Urantia Book. The feeling I get why the revelators mentioned Carthage was perhaps to give us a better understanding of the culture of that time in the Sicilian land bridge area. Perhaps many people who interpret the scripts by relating Atlantis with Spain and Malta are really reading about this early Andite civilisation which affected Egypt as mentioned in the Urantia Book but in the recent past.

Maybe the Urantia Book is hinting to this. Maybe later historians and writers are really speaking of these people and finding and relating aspects of the Gods of Cyprus (38-34,000) in there interpretations of history and discovering previous nations trying to make a connection to the original Gods and adopting the legends in there history, trying to make a genetic connection to a Godly race. But in connection to this earlier race which was directly related to the inhabitants of Italy and to the North. Might explain the Blonde and brown hair in Northern Italy where in the South they are more darker person.

Personally I think the legend of Adam and Eve and the Atlantis Gods comes from the same place. There was only one and original land of the Gods which was Cyprus and the legends comes from this place and was intermingled with national history by all civilizations throughout time since those times. Its all evident in there books of religion, all the religions, there is always a connection to the original place.

Its all interesting and all good

Im jsut amazed how you have 3 co planar circles on top of a mountain sounds very similar to some research in the members section that relates 3 coplanar canals on the Cyprus Acropolis Hill.

Its quite fascinating how there is a connection. I am so impressed with the Malta ruins for sure, they are quite impressive and has all the signs of Atlantis/Eden in Cyprus. Its all the same coplanar circles in Cyprus handed down through legend through the Andite who also influenced and intermingled with the early Egyptians. Explains the religion and its reference to the land of the gods as in Maati.

This I think is the link to Cyprus in later times . Maybe the Urantia inserted this as a way to bridge the gap, making the connection and parallel to the land of the Gods the first place in Cyprus.



all the best
sevens



http://www.maltadiscovery.com/v3/eng/index.html

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sevens

Here is a little something I found in the Quran about the Ad, The Andites or the descendants of the very early Atlanteans. The same Ad that eventually ended up in Malta.

In the following is a small reflection of the deluge of the destruction of the original homeland. Eden of Cyprus.


 

      069.006
      YUSUFALI: And the 'Ad, they were destroyed by a furious Wind, exceedingly violent;
      PICKTHAL: And as for A'ad, they were destroyed by a fierce roaring wind,
      SHAKIR: And as to Ad, they were destroyed by a roaring, violent blast.



Here is a collection of the Ad material I found in the Quran

http://sevenfoldtruth.com/eden/ad_quran.htm

There might be some clues there that perhaps links in with the Cyprus Eden/Atlantis location.

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sevens

Hi HST

I would like to say that I found your post very interesting. I thought that was amazing and incredible discovery. I am absolutely impressed.

It was a great read.

I was also wandering in the The UB it speaks of the Cutites and the Sutites inhabiting the Garden until the deluge. I was wandering if you ever looked into it and found any links to any reference to a civilisation that connect with these names?

All the best
sevens
 

Hi HST

I would like to say that I found your post very interesting. I thought that was amazing and incredible discovery. I am absolutely impressed.

It was a great read.

I was also wandering in the The UB it speaks of the Cutites and the Sutites inhabiting the Garden until the deluge. I was wandering if you ever looked into it and found any links to any reference to a civilisation that connect with these names?

All the best
sevens



Hi Oasis

About the actual data of the Gibraltar I'm not exactly sure of the break in actual date and months but personally III just believe the Urantia account. Also I know there was some core samples that supports the case but more study has to be done. for sure.

Its all still evolving our ideas, thats why its been good to discuss Malta and other things to see if we can refine truth a little better based on results. Regarding Adam and Eve again I seek the Urantia truth, they weren't part of the Caligastia team. No way. Even though they where influenced by him and faltered, they never desired to be aligned with him.

I think many words and names have been brought down from history accompanied with Legend. I think much recent history and reflections of the past of the Gods have been intermingled with Empirical history. Just by looking at the word Ur. That combination of Ur is in most names, books, and places of significants, The Like Ur, Urantia, The Quran, Uran, Uraq, Ural mountains, The Ural sea. allot of Ur that originate from the middle east and was adopted by later and earlier races and combined the legend of the Gods as the own and also included the history within there own history to make the link to the Gods. Evry Civilisation has done that probably through design knowingly as that is a way of maintaining s resemblance of truth for a time in the future.

Similar to what we have today when people get this notion they are directly descendant from Atlantis and write books about there experience and links themselves to the Gods through there own imagination thus again we have another compile of Atlantis.

Suddenly a generation down the future find these obscure writings expands on the idea to incorporate the world where originally it was just a personal experience combined with past legend interpretation.
All countries , culture, kingship and families do the same by altering and adding history to make this personal connection to the Gods to lift national pride. I believe all the cultures did this in later times more sore and what your reading is a product of that.

That's why you see many Ur references adopted by later civilisations remembering that legend of Atlantis or Eden was perpetuated in there own culture as a personal experience to build national strength and feeling.

Everybody desired the personal link to the Gods in name.


I must say Oasis this is truly a journey of discovery of the truth. We all have to find the truth of the matter in our own way. I'm glad we can discuss all these things. They should be discuss and thrashed out. Its all for our edification and for our own journey in quest of truth. This is the honest forum in town regarding these issues.

Most forums that are related to UB don't go this far in the research of Eden which is understandable. But to be here and to thrash it out and to feel free to express is a real good thing for this planet.

I know debate is healthy and works to refine the truth they best way we can that I'm very happy to discuss all these things. And in addition to be on the spiritual journey in parallel with the physical discoveries is truly wondrous. Its a good time to be alive and to witness this event of discovery.

I think its truly remarkable.

It will be certainly interesting, intriguing and fascinating in what they uncover. A real mystery of suspense and intrigue and yet with so much love for mankind. You know God really loves all is children of true faith and loves to thrill us with this great discovery. He has all faith in man who believes and follows the good paths to him. Its a beautiful gift now and in the future.

Also in answering your question about 350,000 years ago. Much of the advances then was lost soon after the fall of the Sons of God. When Adam and Eve arrived, the planet was pretty primitive even in their religions. But Adam and Eve where recognized by all including the Nodites because of the previous training delivered through legend.

You know I was thinking that everything that we are discussing and things we find in the books and the reason being for many of these the religions of the past was probably designed for us right now. To make the ultimate connections.

All foreseen and manifested by mans own wills but God directing things the whole time for a time in the future. The grand design of the realities of the Paradise Trinity in time/space. Past present and future in a oneness of conjunction of truth/time.

God is calling in all the truth by this conjunction of the everything in the way of a puzzle or mystery. Its his way of completion in word and in discovery the intelligence of the Gods. This is truly a path and half.

Incredible! the mind of God.!!! Amazing. The way I feel now, is that I just give all praise to the Lord for his wonderous and truly Magnificent gifts of discovery and splendor in a way that we can see and understand.


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sevens
 

Thank you Milanista

But I do all my reading on the net concerning the books. Also I'm not impressed my posts containing the words of Jesus being torn down. Not impressed with that at all since there revelation is designed for you guys as Gods way helping.

I'm sick of rejection by all main religions and so is Gods in his sublime presentation.

Although now there is spiritual in total rejection of his words which includes the Urantia book. I put hours or research for the benefit of mankind to see it torn down by the ignorant few who do no research but judge.

God will not take kindly to that and that will include the Christians to who also reject the expanded truth and the discovery of Eden.

I think its high time for all religions to get of the back side from the set if crystallised doctrine and wake up and look at the realities that are unfolding and the message.

There will be a correction for those who wont listen.

Anyway III get a Quran from a local mosque. I'm not confident of my safety by giving out details of personal address.

Yes that is religion currently has taken because of all the false doctrine of the sword and religion. Its got nothing to do with physical but its spiritual message. God is dealing his sword of conviction now. Know that this who reject will be rejected because of his own prejudice.

regards
sevens
 

Hi well all I know is that the Pope is now complaining of the religion being used in war. Its not me know, its the Pope is saying something about the actions of violence with religious connection. I agree with him.

Regardless who he is and what he represents means nothing in light of what we see. That's is the truth. The sword has been misinterpreted willingly to justify the violence attitude. The sword of God is the sword of personal conviction to follow the right paths of no violence for those with the true that God desires. Its the be seen as the sword willing violence against others.

That's the true interpretation of that particular scripture.

Its a two edge sword that is presented in a mystery. Those who reject the truth will be rejected and those who accept and live the truth of no violence will be saved.

That's it, willing violence in the name of religion is totally forbidden in Paradise and should be outlawed here to.

I mean to say Islam is in a dangerous path and has division within itself because of there own doctrinal sects keeping 2 families apart through differing ideas of God. Look at the sectarian violence. Where does that come from and what is the end conclusion, disaster.

What doctrine justifies that, looking at the results. Does truth lay there?? I hardly think so if the results mean needless death and destruction then no truth lays there,  particularly when it can be avoided through a change of attitude and willingness.

Islam is on a chasm of self destruction as a religion and is probably part of the refinement, sorting the chaff from the wheat. Remember every religion is being reviewed and dealt with. Its not a matter of Islam and Christian, This concerns all religions of the planet.

I feel the angels of religion are dealing with each religion in there own way as a part of the refinement for the future.

Somehow I sense the pope is starting to activate because he probably realizes there are a few things concerning Man and God that are on the horizon as we have been discussing and where much has been rejected and torn down. Everyone is fed up with this violence crap and now people in religious leadership are starting to voice there concerns on a level that is directed towards religious leadership.

Everyone is just sick of this witness of Religion and violence. That not intelligence nor spiritual its rubbish.

Jus remember the Key, the lock and the door that will open and shut. Will you be let in accordance to your attitude. This goes for all man as each man will judged in accordance to his motivation and actions. If it is against his brother in violence regardless who, he will not get in.

God doesn't have real great expectation of man but expects allot from his spiritual servants. You know what that means no violence of any sort in spirit or in action particularly using the name of God.

just some views

regards
sevens

Hi HT

Thanks again for you post again I was inspired by your work and the work of your Grandfather I really respect all the work. I just its fantastic how on this forum all the UB brothers in sprit come together to release their own findings into the date which is very healthy as that in itself leading us to Eden that we can share in spiritual experience due to our personal discovery in light of the physical evidence.

Its such a supernal and sublime journey for us all, everyone all mankind no matter who. Its so good.

There is so much truth that comes the areas of your study. Just recently I ventured into the Mari seal or stone where I recognized features on the stone that led me on a journey that ended in Peru, believe or not and then reflected itself back to the location through legend left behind which perpetuated in the peoples in Sth America.

What a journey that was, bit here bit there all combined and what a picture it delivered.

The studies of the Assyrians is an amazing study and they knew all about the place and what happened there.

All the best and great blessings for you in your journey to Eden.

Wouldn't it be good that one day wouldn't be good for  all to come together around a very big table and present all the findings on every level from every civilisation and compile all the info into coherent 3d model of truth/timeline/evidence/scripture.

Like physical conjunction of the physical.


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sevens

Really, the kefir, this person, that person, its really all about man against man. No glory in that and its eventual destruction. Why glorify all this ego rubbish. What did that ever do for the planet. Nothing but a waste of good resources that could be put to good use rather than all this, him against me stuff and I against him stuff which could be avoided. AS YOU KNOW within yourself.

Yes we really need to chill out from the words of, him and us and I against him attitude. That's exactly why the world is in this predicament.

regards
sevens

Hi here is a link from a christian site about 70 7's I thought it was interesting. I was particulary drawn to this verse in Leviticus

The year of Jubilee is described in Leviticus. Well in the italics is exactly what happened in my experience. But still waiting, waiting and waiting. Oh well thats the way it goes! [list]
[*]25:8-11:

 

Hi thought this could be intresting.

 
  • And thou shalt number seven Sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven Sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, (the first week of Enoch judgement to) in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family. A jubilee shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which growth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed.


Man here is a direct link between Enoch's judgement process and Leviticus(the Bible) direct. What can I say. [i]to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, [i] (this corresponds to first week of Enoch judgement process as well, within the first week) The 7 month relates to July, exactly what happened in my experience. Oh well!

I also liked this link to regarding all the sevens references in the Bible. I was drawn to this grouping of Sevens.

http://www.godshew.org/Sevens.htm

 

  • Seventy weeks of Daniel 9:24 are determined for seven reasons

    to finish the transgression
    to make an end of sins
    to make reconciliation for iniquity
    to bring in everlasting righteousness
    to seal up the vision
    to seal the prophecy
    to annoint the most Holy




http://www.godshew.org/Sevens2.htm

Anyway I thought that was interesting, the message of the sevens and how its embedded in the Bible.

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sevens

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